Re: [PD] opinions on the issue of concurrent implementations (was: getting sample rate of file loaded into an array)
On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 13:16 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: [...] Also, I wanted to know which is mature enough so that it's worth to write bug reports to its author. This consumes quite some time and I think everyone who discovers that there are many solutions for her problem needs to invest some time to find out which works best. Personally, I think this is lost time, because not only it needs twice as much time to implement the same thing twice, every user needs to figure out the small differences. Well aware, that this (my) opinion is likely not applicable to others, I tend to think that patches are too much treated like holy cows whose breaking should be avoided by any means. If it turns out, that my patches use an inferior of concurrent implementations, I'd be happy to switch them to the new class, especially if it helps to keep the future clean. Advocate for the superior external, write crystal clear documentation for it, and write crystal clear documentation for the inferior one to explain why to use the other one. Then get the authors to accept your doc changes (or doc creation as the case may be). That's the only way to ensure that your lost time doesn't become other users' lost time. You are right. I agree with you that this is probably the best (most pragmatic / most realistic) way to have an influence as a non-ext-dev on the issue. I'll give you an example later when I update the arraysize help patch. I'll happily check it, when it is ready. Thanks for your thoughts. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] mrpeach/binfile under Ubuntu 12.04
Hello all, I want to use [mrpeach/binfile] under Ubuntu 12.04 but I don't know how to manage. I can't find it in any pd-... packet under synaptic, and the makefile in the svn/.../externals/mrpeach directory is nearly empty and not working here. Is there some easy solution? Thanks, n ps : here is the makefile: -- TARGET := $(shell pwd | sed 's|.*/\(.*\)$$|\1|') EXTERNALS_ROOT := $(shell pwd | sed 's|^\(/.*externals\).*|\1|') default: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET) install: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET)_install clean: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET)_clean test_locations: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) test_locations etags: etags *.[ch] ~/cvs/pure-data/pd/src/*.[ch] /usr/include/*.h /usr/include/sys/*.h -- http://nim.on.free.fr ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] nearest neighbour matching?
Hi list, I have a -batch patch that randomly samples the parameter space of control signals to (some black box)* and uses [sigmund~] to detect pitched-ness vs unpitchedness, keeping the pitch info and then a notch filter to detect distortion: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_probe-puredata.png So I end up with gnuplots that look something like this: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_pitching-distortion.png Now I want to find the best match for a given pitch and distortion and get back the corresponding parameters that approximately reconstruct the desired sound. What's the best way to go about this? I might end up just hand-rolling some Lua for this kind of matching if no one has any better ideas. * currently mutually modulating FM oscillators like http://archive.org/details/ClaudiusMaximus_-_Soft_Rock_EP concept to be resurrected and reworked/combined with concepts from NoIn EP http://gosub10.org/GOSUB10-002.html Claude -- http://mathr.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mrpeach/binfile under Ubuntu 12.04
hello, i just manage to build it by hands in two steps : $ gcc -fPIC -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -g -DLINUX -I/home/antoine/pd/pd/src -o binfile.pd_linux binfile.o $ gcc -Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -o binfile.pd_linux binfile.o i'm not sure all flags are needed / useful but this seems to work here under ubuntu 12.04 keep me aware if it works for you ++ a -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr http://drii.ensad.fr -- Google lit ce mail... si vous refusez cela, utilisez l'adresse antoine.villeret [at] free.fr pour me contacter 2012/10/5 Nicolas Montgermont nicolas_montgerm...@yahoo.fr Hello all, I want to use [mrpeach/binfile] under Ubuntu 12.04 but I don't know how to manage. I can't find it in any pd-... packet under synaptic, and the makefile in the svn/.../externals/mrpeach directory is nearly empty and not working here. Is there some easy solution? Thanks, n ps : here is the makefile: -- TARGET := $(shell pwd | sed 's|.*/\(.*\)$$|\1|') EXTERNALS_ROOT := $(shell pwd | sed 's|^\(/.*externals\).*|\1|') default: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET) install: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET)_install clean: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) $(TARGET)_clean test_locations: make -C $(EXTERNALS_ROOT) test_locations etags: etags *.[ch] ~/cvs/pure-data/pd/src/*.[ch] /usr/include/*.h /usr/include/sys/*.h -- http://nim.on.free.fr __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nearest neighbour matching?
Hi Claude, On 5 Oct 2012, at 09:47, Claude Heiland-Allen cla...@mathr.co.uk wrote: Hi list, I have a -batch patch that randomly samples the parameter space of control signals to (some black box)* and uses [sigmund~] to detect pitched-ness vs unpitchedness, keeping the pitch info and then a notch filter to detect distortion: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_probe-puredata.png So I end up with gnuplots that look something like this: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_pitching-distortion.png Now I want to find the best match for a given pitch and distortion and get back the corresponding parameters that approximately reconstruct the desired sound. What's the best way to go about this? I might end up just hand-rolling some Lua for this kind of matching if no one has any better ideas. You may be interested in the [knn] external, which implements the k's nearest neighbour algorithm. It can be found in svn in postlude/knn. The classic paper on its use can be found here: http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/research/icmc00/icmc00.timbre.pdf best, Jamie -- http://jamiebullock.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list deinterleave question
Wow that's great. Thanks you very much indeed. Now I'm going to figure out how it works. All the Best, Peiman On 5 October 2012 00:06, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: there is a useful library called [list-abs], which has lots of those sort of things, but in this case, i couldn't find exactly what you're after. Here's a patch that does what you want though: ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] array size (was Re: arraysize)
will do exactly that. Having a patch that works like this but I don't know why is a bad thing. I'd be sure to find the tiny DC component a nuisance at some point. Did you? Well...thanks for asking. I feel mildly stupid for suggesting that, but this has caused me to test my hypothesis and the result is enclosed. When Miller says tiny, I'm sure he means very tiny indeed. I've made a test patch to demonstrate - highpass filtering on a modulation signal to an [osc~] object. If there was a significant DC offset then the carrier frequency of the [osc~] would be offset slightly as the modulation index is increased. I can confirm that this is not the case...so I really don't think anyone will notice if it is fixed. It's quite a nice modulation effect actually! I may use it. Thank you for your time, Ed hpmod~.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nearest neighbour matching?
Hi Claude, On 5 Oct 2012, at 09:47, Claude Heiland-Allen cla...@mathr.co.uk wrote: Hi list, I have a -batch patch that randomly samples the parameter space of control signals to (some black box)* and uses [sigmund~] to detect pitched-ness vs unpitchedness, keeping the pitch info and then a notch filter to detect distortion: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_probe-puredata.png So I end up with gnuplots that look something like this: http://mathr.co.uk/softrockiii/2012-10-05_pitching-distortion.png Now I want to find the best match for a given pitch and distortion and get back the corresponding parameters that approximately reconstruct the desired sound. What's the best way to go about this? I might end up just hand-rolling some Lua for this kind of matching if no one has any better ideas. You may be interested in the [knn] external, which implements the k's nearest neighbour algorithm. It can be found in svn in postlude/knn. The classic paper on its use can be found here: http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/research/icmc00/icmc00.timbre.pdf best, Jamie -- http://jamiebullock.com There may be a way to use the simile algorithm (from ekext) that gives the matched-ness of two numbers based on an arbitrary window size, but it still might involve rolling your own. I have a feeling KNN is very efficient... Ed ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] hip~ nyquist gain bug test patch [Was: arraysize]
On 03/10/12 15:22, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: On 02/10/12 16:15, Miller Puckette wrote: 1. there's a bug in hip~ - its DC gain is slightly (and possibly considerably) greater than 1. Did you mean nyquist-frequency rather than DC here? See attached test patch that waits 10 seconds for settling to steady state (extreme overkill no doubt), at 48k sample rate the nyquist gain for hip~ goes up dramatically as you increase the cutoff... IIRC DC gain for hip~ should be 0 or very close to it verified. and nyquist-frequency gain 1. here is the bug, these get much louder than the -1 1 -1 1 input hip10: -1.0007 1.0007 -1.0007 1.0007 -1.0007 1.0007 -1.0007 1.0007 hip100: -1.0066 1.0066 -1.0066 1.0066 -1.0066 1.0066 -1.0066 1.0066 hip1000: -1.07 1.07-1.07 1.07-1.07 1.07-1.07 1.07 hip1: -2 2 -2 2 -2 2 -2 2 Claude -- http://mathr.co.uk #N canvas 16 47 662 391 10; #X obj 52 65 loadbang; #X obj 54 152 delay 1; #X obj 95 224 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 302 236 hip~ 1000; #X msg 70 88 \; pd dsp 1; #X obj 137 78 tabplay~ \$0-fizz; #X obj 139 56 bang~; #X obj 228 199 table \$0-fizz 64; #X obj 165 194 s \$0-fizz; #X msg 164 126 0 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1; #X obj 302 257 print~ hip1000; #X obj 397 236 hip~ 100; #X obj 399 257 print~ hip100; #X obj 495 239 hip~ 10; #X obj 497 260 print~ hip10; #X obj 149 237 hip~ 1; #X obj 149 258 print~ hip1; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 0 9 0; #X connect 1 0 10 0; #X connect 1 0 12 0; #X connect 1 0 14 0; #X connect 1 0 16 0; #X connect 2 0 10 0; #X connect 2 0 12 0; #X connect 2 0 14 0; #X connect 2 0 16 0; #X connect 3 0 10 0; #X connect 5 0 3 0; #X connect 5 0 11 0; #X connect 5 0 13 0; #X connect 5 0 15 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 13 0 14 0; #X connect 15 0 16 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list deinterleave question
basically what i did, was drip the list one element at a time, using [list-drip]. Then, i prepend each element with alternative 0's and 1's, generated by [f ]x[==]. By using [route], those elements are then sent alternatively left and right to an accumulator made with [list prepend]. finally, each resulting list is banged to send the full result. i'm n sure if there might be a simpler way, but that was the simplest i came up with. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nearest neighbour matching?
On 5 Oct 2012, at 10:20, Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There may be a way to use the simile algorithm (from ekext) that gives the matched-ness of two numbers based on an arbitrary window size, but it still might involve rolling your own. I have a feeling KNN is very efficient... Ed It's efficient, but there may still be room for optimisation in the implementation if that is a priority. It's also conceptually very simple, which is one reason I like it. best, Jamie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list deinterleave question
Thanks for the explanation. That's really clever. Best, Peiman PS this kind of user-community support is exactly why I decided to leave max behind. Try asking a question on the max forum these days! On 5 October 2012 10:42, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: basically what i did, was drip the list one element at a time, using [list-drip]. Then, i prepend each element with alternative 0's and 1's, generated by [f ]x[==]. By using [route], those elements are then sent alternatively left and right to an accumulator made with [list prepend]. finally, each resulting list is banged to send the full result. i'm n sure if there might be a simpler way, but that was the simplest i came up with. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mrpeach/binfile under Ubuntu 12.04
Thanks Antoine but that didn't make it. finally I copied the externals/template makefile inside the binfile folder, replaced a few strings and that make it. can't understand why the mrpeach/makefile is broken though. best, n Le 05/10/12 10:49, Antoine Villeret a écrit : hello, i just manage to build it by hands in two steps : $ gcc -fPIC -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -g -DLINUX -I/home/antoine/pd/pd/src -o binfile.pd_linux binfile.o $ gcc -Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -o binfile.pd_linux binfile.o i'm not sure all flags are needed / useful but this seems to work here under ubuntu 12.04 keep me aware if it works for you ++ a -- http://nim.on.free.fr ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Recording audio to mp3 using LAME or ffmpeg ?
Dear List, How would you go about recording the audio output of a Pd patch directly to mp3 (or any other compressed format actually), without using the object from the Unauthorized library ? Would it be feasible to use the [shell] object with a script using ffmpeg or LAME ? I don't really know whether there would be serious timing uses, who to use those for recording a stream instead of a file, how to send Pd's audio out... I could always record to wav and run a script afterwards to compress and delete the original file, but i'd rather have something more direct. Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can't create Gem window
do glxgears work?
yes.
if so, what is your pixel-depth?
Gem wants to create a 24bit buffer, so if you are running your X in
8bit/palette mode it will bail out.
xorg.conf says 24, using proprietary ATI driver for the HD7700
DefaultDepth 24
this is what Gem requests:
{
GLX_RED_SIZE=4,
GLX_GREEN_SIZE=4,
GLX_BLUE_SIZE=4,
GLX_DEPTH_SIZE=16,
GLX_STENCIL_SIZE=8,
GLX_ACCUM_RED_SIZE=8,
GLX_ACCUM_GREEN_SIZE=8,
GLX_ACCUM_BLUE_SIZE=8,
GLX_DOUBLEBUFFER
}
verbose output of glxinfo indicates
doubleBuffer =1
rgba are all =8
depth =24
stencil =8
accum are all =16
doubleBuffer =1
system spec:
Intel Core i5
Radeon HD7700 graphics card.
Ubuntu 10.04
I am wondering if the ati proprietary driver might be to blame, but I am not
sure how to check this...
Ed
looks good:
Visual ID: 6b depth=0 class=DirectColor
bufferSize=32 level=0 renderType=rgba doubleBuffer=1 stereo=0
rgba: redSize=8 greenSize=8 blueSize=8 alphaSize=8
auxBuffers=0 depthSize=24 stencilSize=8
accum: redSize=16 greenSize=16 blueSize=16 alphaSize=16
multiSample=0 multiSampleBuffers=0
visualCaveat=None
Opaque.
check the output of glxinfo, whether your config supports such a setting.
fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] Recording audio to mp3 using LAME or ffmpeg ?
On 05/10/12 11:55, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, How would you go about recording the audio output of a Pd patch directly to mp3 (or any other compressed format actually), without using the object from the Unauthorized library ? Would it be feasible to use the [shell] object with a script using ffmpeg or LAME ? I don't really know whether there would be serious timing uses, who to use those for recording a stream instead of a file, how to send Pd's audio out... use jack and ecasound? gstreamer objects for pd? hacky way might work: writesf~ in raw (headerless mode) mkfifo foo.raw (read mkfifo manual) lame foo.raw (if it accepts raw input) careful with deadlocks/SIGPIPE I could always record to wav and run a script afterwards to compress and delete the original file, but i'd rather have something more direct. i tend to record in 32bit wav (-bytes 4) to avoid any clipping, then remove dc/normalize/convert later. i tend to hoard things, though... Claude Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can't create Gem window
Hey, On 05/10/12 12:09, Ed Kelly wrote: Intel Core i5 Radeon HD7700 graphics card. Ubuntu 10.04 64bit OS? This is probably irrelevant as Wheezy is newer than Lucid, but... In Debian Wheezy I have no end of trouble with proprietary NVIDIA driver due to multiarch transition, in the end my workaround is to remember to sudo rm mesa software rasterizer (super slow) /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so and symlink it to the proprietary one installed in /usr/lib/libGL.so - painful claude@cappuccino:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 1 16:35 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so - ../libGL.so I am wondering if the ati proprietary driver might be to blame, but I am not sure how to check this... Dunno - is there some dual graphics laptop card thing that needs optirun or what have you to get good performance? check the output of glxinfo, whether your config supports such a setting. $ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo | head name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.4 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_EXT_swap_control, GLX_EXT_swap_control_tear, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_create_context, --- you definitely don't want to see swrast stuff in the debug output (if there is any) Claude -- http://mathr.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Recording audio to mp3 using LAME or ffmpeg ?
Hi Pierre, Pierre Massat wrote: How would you go about recording the audio output of a Pd patch directly to mp3 (or any other compressed format actually), without using the object from the Unauthorized library ? ffmpeg can read from the audio driver, there's an example in the manual page. ++ -- Charles ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Audio Preferences device list usability
Hi, Does anyone know where the device names that populate the Audio Settings preferences panel come from? For example on my Mac, I'm getting things like: (0)Built-in Microph What does (0) mean? Not the zero'th device, because for Output devices, both outputs are prefixed with (0). Why is Microphone truncated to Microph? Are these names coming from Portaudio? Or is Pd additionally mangling the names? best, Jamie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mrpeach/binfile under Ubuntu 12.04
On 2012-10-05 05:52, Nicolas Montgermont wrote: Thanks Antoine but that didn't make it. finally I copied the externals/template makefile inside the binfile folder, replaced a few strings and that make it. can't understand why the mrpeach/makefile is broken though. best, n I think the idea is to use the Makefile in ../externals: make mrpeach or make mrpeach_install Then that makefile calls the one in mrpeach Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nearest neighbour matching?
hi Claude, why you just dont calculate the distance between your values for calculating similarity? is that possible? cheers U. 2012/10/5 Jamie Bullock ja...@jamiebullock.com On 5 Oct 2012, at 10:20, Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There may be a way to use the simile algorithm (from ekext) that gives the matched-ness of two numbers based on an arbitrary window size, but it still might involve rolling your own. I have a feeling KNN is very efficient... Ed It's efficient, but there may still be room for optimisation in the implementation if that is a priority. It's also conceptually very simple, which is one reason I like it. best, Jamie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Raspberry Pi (Raspbian Wheezy) / Pd-extended 0.43.3 / Arduino
The actual Pduino 0.5 release instead of the beta version also fixes this: https://puredata.info/downloads/pduino .hc On 10/04/2012 09:07 PM, Epic Jefferson wrote: Actually, i answered my own question. updated [arduino] object, compatible with pd-extended 0.43.3 https://github.com/reduzent/pduino On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Epic Jefferson jeffreyconcepc...@gmail.comwrote: I was trying to use the [arduino] object but it seems that pd-extended 0.43.3 doesn't include a [flatspace/comport] object that is included in Hans' [arduino] version_0.5beta8. is there an object that could be used to replace the [flatspace] use in the [arduino]? is seems to be the only object printing an error to the console. OR is there a newer version of the arduino object that is compatible with pd-extended 0.43.3? either would solve the issue. i suppose i could try to use pd-extended 0.42.5 but it would still need to be solved for 0.43 -- www.epicjefferson.com www.avmachinists.org Puerto Rico based Art Collective/ Non-Profit Org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended on the Raspberry Pi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I think tedbot created a rpi page on puredata.info/downloads .hc On 10/04/2012 08:24 PM, Epic Jefferson wrote: it worked! i'll be adding the updated process to the wiki over the weekend, just need to get organized. is there a place i can upload the package so that others can use it for their installs? perhaps somewhere in puredata.info? On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Epic Jefferson jeffreyconcepc...@gmail.comwrote: Hans, before seeing your last reply i searched around online and found this $ apt-get install dpkg-dev build-essential devscripts i did it and now i'm in the process of compiling. if it works i'd be glad to add my process to the wiki. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On 10/04/2012 10:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On 10/04/2012 02:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2012-10-04 04:37, Epic Jefferson wrote: Other than being crazy small, i encountered a problem with your instructions. when i entered: debuild -uc -us -bash: debuild: command not found # aptitude install devscripts You can do this to be safe: sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev devscripts debhelper cdbs .hc I also started a wiki on this topic, please add/edit as needed: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingYourOwnDebianPackage .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.epicjefferson.com www.avmachinists.org Puerto Rico based Art Collective/ Non-Profit Org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQbwByAAoJEJ8P5Yc3S76BEJ8P/3EO2haD+CpVnkbrN+ep6Y8Z DJk1iTDP405fWOF6zoaBGqh1lbzgmnaLqX68la14lmlQjoiov2yXmVkWy7bi0lVl erX/kySkjfyyq/jzDsDgM5Rjl29P/zkg/LS4Cc5lMOy9bf3ojkcDQm5yg5k/Rcla HdcDooic45WBPuy6IMM26vNxAPcnD3fGlVr5gYgkfVKgrjNtlHKEGDP2Kno+04sb OVfv/gYmuiAak5R6MnJsmvKG57qBEgyrvwBCXQD7ptpd+FUsSCdclzocJqwiVnE7 IbGST1187qJt8rrwZlTqUKyAdvxJzdF1YbmKZzi/tz2e4Bn+MvjHAPtdk17gI3yW Sr9nzWFpSsCvCp7ZyBp4KvDYwbQ98Hc/2AvRhytRqbprWPJU7fJwddumTGp945UG yxBkfVjjcUcOTo5fnOxh9UhjJ2NxrsT/X1n3iUeTetsoWUwidu9+7I2GZblh48Ba mPw9A1rOmdOxgKgAsgTxCcbnF3zhTxgRwUfXTVZZ/LcxtQpzosut54p9lE4BTong f/3ggTcB8IeDcBimiMebTw0IEiMdkqbRanXjK9dyr1G+EcccCqbtocvavsv2L3qG Wx/tTLglJvvMKMsCTPpQVyvZz10j7HqjSHYqMCk0Hyq28VX+fLMRZdlSov7hsKm4 4VuOpa4m5pOv+9lY+Dbx =E8C5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Recording audio to mp3 using LAME or ffmpeg ?
I think there is mp3write~ in 'unauthorized' lib but I've never used it. There is the pdogg lib, which has oggwrite~. .hc On 10/05/2012 06:55 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, How would you go about recording the audio output of a Pd patch directly to mp3 (or any other compressed format actually), without using the object from the Unauthorized library ? Would it be feasible to use the [shell] object with a script using ffmpeg or LAME ? I don't really know whether there would be serious timing uses, who to use those for recording a stream instead of a file, how to send Pd's audio out... I could always record to wav and run a script afterwards to compress and delete the original file, but i'd rather have something more direct. Cheers, Pierre. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fftease 64-bit?
On 10/04/2012 06:08 PM, plutek wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] fftease 64-bit? Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:50:05 -0400 On 10/04/2012 05:38 PM, plutek wrote: From: plutek plu...@infinity.net Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:51:35 -0400 (EDT) update, in case anyone else is interested in 64-bit fftease: eric lyon has been so kind as to send me a source tarball. he's said it's fine to share it... is there some way to get it up on the fftease project download page at puredata.info, or shall i just upload it to my own account there? greetings, again! so, i'm trying to compile this fftease source code, and running into some problems... any one out there willing to take a look at the source, and my errors, and help me out? thanks much... cheers! .pltk. The source code is already carefully hidden on the fftease Pd download page: https://puredata.info/downloads/fftease/ I changed the description to hopefully be more helpful. I made a Makefile for those builds. I need to dig up that Makefile and put it somewhere useful... .hc thanks, hans-christoph... yes, i see the source package now! a Makefile would be fantastic! Here you go: svn co https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/fftease cd fftease make If you move the whole 'fftease' folder into ~/pd-externals, you'll have a full libdir you can load using [import fftease]. While I was at it, I added it to my PPA, so there will be Ubuntu packages soon: https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/libdirs .hc .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fftease 64-bit?
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:26:50 -0400 Here you go: svn co https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/fftease cd fftease make If you move the whole 'fftease' folder into ~/pd-externals, you'll have a full libdir you can load using [import fftease]. While I was at it, I added it to my PPA, so there will be Ubuntu packages soon: https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/libdirs .hc that's great, hans-christoph! thanks so much... cheers! .pltk. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Convert numerical value to bang
Greetings All Is their a way to convert numerical values to a bang? Example: a number 1-10 will be converted to a bang Thanks Rick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fftease 64-bit?
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:26:50 -0400 Here you go: svn co https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/fftease cd fftease make If you move the whole 'fftease' folder into ~/pd-externals, you'll have a full libdir you can load using [import fftease]. compiled and running... thanks again! .pltk. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Convert numerical value to bang
[= 10] | [sel 1] | [O] (the bang object) or [t b] (trigger bang) should work. scott On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All Is their a way to convert numerical values to a bang? Example: a number 1-10 will be converted to a bang Thanks Rick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
Greetings All I'm trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. 1) I plan on using the select object to compare the sample size (22050) to where the playing wav file is located 2) create a bang into cup object from the select object, this will count the number of loops. 3) Use another select object to stop when it reaches 6 The problem I'm having is trying to compare the sample size to where the playing wav file is currently located. I can get the sample size using the wavinfo object but how do I get the current location of the playing wav file. (I tried using the metro 50 object with the snapshot~ object) but the numbers don't seem be matching up Is there another way I should be doing this Thanks ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All I'm trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. 1) I plan on using the select object to compare the sample size (22050) to where the playing wav file is located 2) create a bang into cup object from the select object, this will count the number of loops. 3) Use another select object to stop when it reaches 6 The problem I'm having is trying to compare the sample size to where the playing wav file is currently located. I can get the sample size using the wavinfo object but how do I get the current location of the playing wav file. (I tried using the metro 50 object with the snapshot~ object) but the numbers don't seem be matching up Is there another way I should be doing this Thanks Hi Rick I think you should use [vline~] to feed [tabread4~]. As long as you get the number of samples up front with wavinfo, like you mentioned, you can just schedule those 6 loops to play with vline~ (no need to count and stop the loop), and you always know what sample is playing, because it's the value of the vline~ output. You may also want another vline~ to fade-in and fade-out. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 and Openbox
On 10/04/2012 08:11 AM, Nicola Pandini wrote:
Il 04/10/2012 02:08, Simon Wise ha scritto:
On 04/10/12 04:07, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Sounds like this should actually be:
set x [ expr max($x % $screenwidth - $::windowframex, 0)]
set y [ expr max($y % $screenheight - $::windowframey, 0)]
That would ensure that x and y are always= 0. Does changing that in
pdtk_canvas.tcl solve your issue?
The tricky part here is that this would then break how Pd strictly sets
the position of existing patches based on the values on the first line
of the patch file.
wouldn't that make it difficult to put the window outside the screen
deliberately ... for example to hide the window decorations off-screen?
I have needed to use this a few times (when making the window properly
fullscreen was not possible or appropriate), and it is sometimes a lot
easier than trying to work out how to tell a particular window manager
not to put decorations on a particular window.
Simon
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Hi Simon, with this:
if {$geometry == +0+0} {
set x 0
set y 0
} else {
set x [ expr $x % $screenwidth - $::windowframex]
set y [ expr $y % $screenheight - $::windowframey]
}
You'll keep the standard behaviour of Pd for all the saved patches, only
the new ones are forced to be placed to coords 0,0.
Before this kind of change is included in Pd-extended or Pd, it'll need
to be tested a lot on all platforms. That's why I never really tackled
the issue of all the different WMs. I think a workable approach would
be to isolate the bits that need to be changed for the different VMs and
stick that into its own Tcl proc (function) while keeping the current logic.
Then it'll be easy to customize this logic without having to come up
with the One True Way that will require lots and lots of testing and
tweaking. If the above is really all that needs to change, then that
can be put into its own proc.
.hc
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Re: [PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
Yes I am using tabread4~ I looked up vline~ in the help but it seems to be missing some info on the second and third inlets. Is there some more information about this object. I'm using PD .42.5 extended on ubuntu 10.04 64bit I tried doing this but I get an error error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet phasor~ | *~ | vline~ (error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet) | tabread4~ Thanks On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All I'm trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. 1) I plan on using the select object to compare the sample size (22050) to where the playing wav file is located 2) create a bang into cup object from the select object, this will count the number of loops. 3) Use another select object to stop when it reaches 6 The problem I'm having is trying to compare the sample size to where the playing wav file is currently located. I can get the sample size using the wavinfo object but how do I get the current location of the playing wav file. (I tried using the metro 50 object with the snapshot~ object) but the numbers don't seem be matching up Is there another way I should be doing this Thanks Hi Rick I think you should use [vline~] to feed [tabread4~]. As long as you get the number of samples up front with wavinfo, like you mentioned, you can just schedule those 6 loops to play with vline~ (no need to count and stop the loop), and you always know what sample is playing, because it's the value of the vline~ output. You may also want another vline~ to fade-in and fade-out. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Convert numerical value to bang
Thanks On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le 05/10/2012 22:27, Rick T a écrit : Greetings All Is their a way to convert numerical values to a bang? Example: a number 1-10 will be converted to a bang Thanks Rick ___pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Here two possibilities. One with two [moses] and the other with [=] and [=]. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I am using tabread4~ I looked up vline~ in the help but it seems to be missing some info on the second and third inlets. Is there some more information about this object. I'm using PD .42.5 extended on ubuntu 10.04 64bit To be honest, I'm not very good at using vline~ myself (the offset value always confuses me). I'm still at work for a little while longer, so no pd here. Basically, what it will look like is you feed [vline~] a series of messages that stands for each reset to 0 and ramp. Comma-separated messages inside a single message will be treated like separate messages. So, it may make a pretty long message, but the idea I was getting at here is like the difference between coding a while() loop and a for() loop. You can avoid the tricky logic and figure out all the timing up front, then just let it run. Chuck I tried doing this but I get an error error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet phasor~ | *~ | vline~ (error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet) | tabread4~ Thanks On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All I'm trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. 1) I plan on using the select object to compare the sample size (22050) to where the playing wav file is located 2) create a bang into cup object from the select object, this will count the number of loops. 3) Use another select object to stop when it reaches 6 The problem I'm having is trying to compare the sample size to where the playing wav file is currently located. I can get the sample size using the wavinfo object but how do I get the current location of the playing wav file. (I tried using the metro 50 object with the snapshot~ object) but the numbers don't seem be matching up Is there another way I should be doing this Thanks Hi Rick I think you should use [vline~] to feed [tabread4~]. As long as you get the number of samples up front with wavinfo, like you mentioned, you can just schedule those 6 loops to play with vline~ (no need to count and stop the loop), and you always know what sample is playing, because it's the value of the vline~ output. You may also want another vline~ to fade-in and fade-out. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Translating Puckette Lectures into Spanish
Hard to say if I should write this one in spanish or english, but... I am working with New Blankets and escuelab.org in Peru, on translating and subtitling Miller's 171 lectures [1] into spanish. After quite some time working on lecture one, which is almost done, I realize that it would really be much faster and effective if this were a community effort. There are transcripts of these lectures, so a big part of the work is done. So... those of you interested in joining this effort please reply to this message and we'll make a plan. un abrazo, J [1] http://pd-la.info/pd-media/miller-puckette-mus171-videos/___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [text3d] video subtitling in Pd
Dear all, I was working on a subtitling patch for videos, however, I encountered two problems to which I hope there is a solution, as solving them would make it work. Hard to say if this is a Pd problem or text3d problem or both. PROBLEM 1: commas cannot be written in [text3d] Since [text3d] is fed messages, if I write a message like: yes I am sure, however The message will be come two messages and the comma of course won't be displayed. PROBLEM 2: spanish accents like á é í ó ú have some troubles in [text3d]. If I write avión, the accent will be there without a problem and it will display: avión. But if I write avió, the ó will not be there entirely and it will only display: avi. So what seems to be happening is that the accented vowel needs to be inside a word, but if it is by itself or at the end of a word it will not be displayed at all. anyone has any idea of some workarounds? (or if i'm missing something evident?) best, J ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
So are you say these wont help me with my original question? of trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com wrote: You only need vline or phasor, not both. The handling is a bit different though. Vline works via messages and creates arbitrary ramps. E.g. From 0 to 44100 in 1000 ms. Phasor just ramps from 0 to 1 in a time you supply as a frequency. You then multiply it's output and feed the tabread On Oct 6, 2012 12:26 AM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I am using tabread4~ I looked up vline~ in the help but it seems to be missing some info on the second and third inlets. Is there some more information about this object. I'm using PD .42.5 extended on ubuntu 10.04 64bit I tried doing this but I get an error error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet phasor~ | *~ | vline~ (error: can't connect signal outlet to control inlet) | tabread4~ Thanks On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Rick T ratull...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All I'm trying to count how may times an audio file is looped then cause it to stop after say 6 loops. 1) I plan on using the select object to compare the sample size (22050) to where the playing wav file is located 2) create a bang into cup object from the select object, this will count the number of loops. 3) Use another select object to stop when it reaches 6 The problem I'm having is trying to compare the sample size to where the playing wav file is currently located. I can get the sample size using the wavinfo object but how do I get the current location of the playing wav file. (I tried using the metro 50 object with the snapshot~ object) but the numbers don't seem be matching up Is there another way I should be doing this Thanks Hi Rick I think you should use [vline~] to feed [tabread4~]. As long as you get the number of samples up front with wavinfo, like you mentioned, you can just schedule those 6 loops to play with vline~ (no need to count and stop the loop), and you always know what sample is playing, because it's the value of the vline~ output. You may also want another vline~ to fade-in and fade-out. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [text3d] video subtitling in Pd
On 10/06/2012 01:54 AM, J Oliver wrote: Dear all, I was working on a subtitling patch for videos, however, I encountered two problems to which I hope there is a solution, as solving them would make it work. Hard to say if this is a Pd problem or text3d problem or both. PROBLEM 1: commas cannot be written in [text3d] [text3d] can render commas very well. the problem is, that Pd's message box treats commas as as separator between messages, so [yes I am sure, however( becomes two messages yes i'm sure and however. the solution for this is not to use Pd's message box for any text that contains commans, semicolons, curly braces and other reserved symbols. for this, the [text*] family supports the string message, where you can specify each character as a numeric value (uniode-points, or if ou prefer: ascii) [string 121 101 115 32 105 39 109 32 115 117 114 101 44 32 104 111 119 101 118 101 114( PROBLEM 2: spanish accents like á é í ó ú have some troubles in [text3d]. If I write avión, the accent will be there without a problem and it will display: avión. But if I write avió, the ó will not be there entirely and it will only display: avi. that's a bit weirder and might well be a bug in Gem. please send a patch that exhibits this problem. in the meantime, since the string really takes uncicode points, it will help you here as well: [string 97 118 105 243( btw, there is a subtitle-generator called [srtfile] (written by hans-christof, maira and meself) that will read standard srt-file and create a string at the right time, usable by Gem's [text3d] object. get it at [1]. fgmasdr IOhannes [1] https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/srt So what seems to be happening is that the accented vowel needs to be inside a word, but if it is by itself or at the end of a word it will not be displayed at all. anyone has any idea of some workarounds? (or if i'm missing something evident?) best, J ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] counting how many times an audio file is looped
On 10/05/2012 11:25 PM, Rick T wrote: Is there another way I should be doing this count the bangs that [tabplay~] will output via it's 2nd inlet. alternatively, trust Pd's timing. if you tell [line~] to create a ramp from here to there in 1077ms, then it will take exactly 1077ms, and you don't need to measure the value of the ramp inbetween. (esp if you downsample the signal and thus loose considerable time precision). [1423( | [t f f] | +---+ | | [0, 1 $1( | | | [line~] [delay] | | ... (will bang when line has reached '1') but suggest to use [tabplay]s 2nd outlet. fgmadsr IOannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Question on getting the amount of values in a table and setting table to zero
On 10/04/2012 05:47 PM, Rick T wrote: Greetings All 1) I'm trying to find a way to get the total amount of values in a table. I found arraysize but that doesn't seem to give me the correct output Example: If I create a table with ; arrayx 0 .1 .3 .5 .3 .1 you are not creating a table with this. what you do is to set the first 5 elements of an existing table, whatever it's length is. in order to count the elements you just set you could use [list length]. [0 .1 .3 .5 .3 .1( | [list length] | [6\ | [- 1] | [5\ -- tadaa! if you want to resize a table, use the resize message. [resize 19( | [s arrayx] 2) I'm also trying to set all values in array to zero with out having to zero each index. use the const message. [const 0( | [s arrayx] fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] opinions on the issue of concurrent implementations (was: getting sample rate of file loaded into an array)
On 10/04/2012 05:04 PM, Patrice Colet wrote: We should use C language only when we need it, in the example of [waveinfo] vs [soundfile_info], both aren't the good way for me, we just need the [binfile] external for reading the header, and all the other stuff can be done into a pd patch. we don't need [binfile]! Pd is proven to be turing complete, so it should be easy enough to write an operating system entirely in Pd (that is: a patch) that will allow you to read/write soundfiles in any desired format. mgdasr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
