Re: [PD] pidip

2013-03-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2013-03-12 03:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 It'll work for any platform.
 

because it's early morning i'd like to add my senf:
the installation routines as described by hans and the docs[1], will
work on any platform.
this doesn't mean that a given library (like pidip) works on all
platforms.

fgmasdr
IOhannes



[1]
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files
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[PD] More RPi tips tricks

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
Hi all,

Not sure if people are aware of this but found a really interesting page
for audio on the RPi:

Original announcement
www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=33462p=306469

Wiki
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/raspberrypi

I'm a complete noob with overclocking so be great if we share our results.

My 1st test is with these:
arm_freq=1050
over_voltage=6
force_turbo=1

added to /boot/config.text

My original PMPD patch is now running!! Quite pleased:)

Seems like Jack(1  2) is now also a goer.

This is great news.

Cheers,

Julian
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[PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
sensors (for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
share for getting the data into Pd?

Cheers,

Julian
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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Martin Peach

On 2013-03-12 08:58, Julian Brooks wrote:

Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
sensors (for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
share for getting the data into Pd?



I connect them to the analog inputs of an Arduino and send the data to 
Pd which reads it using [comport].


Martin


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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
Hi Martin,

Is this with Maxbotic and if so which one?  I'm going to be running the
sensor with an RPi as standalone so presume it's a similar setup (I believe
comport runs fine on RPi)

Would you mind letting me have a look at a patch for translating the input
data (if you use/need one).  I know from utilising xbees that the input
data was tricky to parse - to me anyway.

Cheers,

Julian

On 12 March 2013 13:23, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote:

 On 2013-03-12 08:58, Julian Brooks wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm after some advice:

 For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
 sensors (for outdoors).

 Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
 share for getting the data into Pd?


 I connect them to the analog inputs of an Arduino and send the data to Pd
 which reads it using [comport].

 Martin


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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Alexandre Saunier
Hi Julian,

As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's 
indoor sensors a few times.

One
 thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors 
interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
You might want to take a look at power filters too.
Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry pi. 
My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python and 
then send them to pd using OSC. 
I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through, if you 
use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.


Have fun,
Alex





 De : Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com
À : PD List pd-list@iem.at 
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 13h58
Objet : [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder
 

Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder sensors 
(for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to share 
for getting the data into Pd?

Cheers,

Julian

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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
Hi Alex,

Many thanks for the info.

What are 'power filters'?

Yes on RPi, so tutorials would be very helpful.

Best wishes,

Julian



On 12 March 2013 13:32, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi Julian,

 As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's
 indoor sensors a few times.

 One thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors
 interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
 You might want to take a look at power filters too.
 Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

 As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry
 pi.
 My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python
 and then send them to pd using OSC.
 I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through,
 if you use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.

 Have fun,
 Alex


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 *Objet :* [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

 Hi,

 I'm after some advice:

 For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
 sensors (for outdoors).

 Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
 share for getting the data into Pd?

 Cheers,

 Julian

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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Alexandre Saunier
'Power filters' are simple RC filters you can solder directly on the sensor, 
they help eliminating electric noise. Since the analog output of the sensor 
depends on the voltage with which it is fed, the cleaner the  supply voltage, 
the better the analog output.
I don't know which sensor you're gonna us, but assuming it works like the 
MB1000 or MB1200, you will find a lot of useful tips inside the datasheet and 
in the tutorial page.

I'll start cleaning up my mess and a few short tutorials should be on my github 
by this evening.

Best,
Alex






 De : Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com



Hi Alex,

Many thanks for the info.

What are 'power filters'?

Yes on RPi, so tutorials would be very helpful.

Best wishes,

Julian




On 12 March 2013 13:32, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Julian,

As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's 
indoor sensors a few times.

One
 thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors 
interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
You might want to take a look at power filters too.
Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry pi. 
My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python and 
then send them to pd using OSC. 
I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through, if 
you use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.



Have fun,
Alex 





 De : Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com
À : PD List pd-list@iem.at 
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 13h58
Objet : [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder
 


Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder 
sensors (for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to share 
for getting the data into Pd?

Cheers,

Julian

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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
I'm thinking this one
XL-MaxSonar - WRM1
look forward to checking tutorials.  What's your github address?

Cheers,

Julian


On 12 March 2013 14:35, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 'Power filters' are simple RC filters you can solder directly on the
 sensor, they help eliminating electric noise. Since the analog output of
 the sensor depends on the voltage with which it is fed, the cleaner the
 supply voltage, the better the analog output.
 I don't know which sensor you're gonna us, but assuming it works like the
 MB1000 or MB1200, you will find a lot of useful tips inside the datasheet
 and in the tutorial page.

 I'll start cleaning up my mess and a few short tutorials should be on my
 github by this evening.

 Best,
 Alex


   --
 *De :* Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com
 **

 Hi Alex,

 Many thanks for the info.

 What are 'power filters'?

 Yes on RPi, so tutorials would be very helpful.

 Best wishes,

 Julian



 On 12 March 2013 13:32, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi Julian,

 As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's
 indoor sensors a few times.

 One thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors
 interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
 You might want to take a look at power filters too.
 Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

 As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry
 pi.
 My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python
 and then send them to pd using OSC.
 I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through,
 if you use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.

 Have fun,
 Alex


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 *À :* PD List pd-list@iem.at
 *Envoyé le :* Mardi 12 mars 2013 13h58
 *Objet :* [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

 Hi,

 I'm after some advice:

 For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
 sensors (for outdoors).

 Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
 share for getting the data into Pd?

 Cheers,

 Julian

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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Martin Peach

On 2013-03-12 09:32, Julian Brooks wrote:

Hi Martin,

Is this with Maxbotic and if so which one?  I'm going to be running the
sensor with an RPi as standalone so presume it's a similar setup (I
believe comport runs fine on RPi)



I use the MB1010 (MaxSonarEZ1). The analog output is very low level and 
also quite noisy, so a RC filter would be a good idea. The serial output 
is RS232 on 0-5V, so you need to invert it before reading it with a 
microcontroller USART input. The format is ASCII but it should be 
readable in Pd: from the output of [comport] you need to make lists of 4 
characters starting with 'R' and convert the last three digits to a 
single float. That actually looks more reliable than the analog but I 
haven't tried it. I attached a patch to do that.


With the Pi you probably need to watch out for voltages above 3.3V on 
the IO pins.


Martin



Would you mind letting me have a look at a patch for translating the
input data (if you use/need one).  I know from utilising xbees that the
input data was tricky to parse - to me anyway.

Cheers,

Julian

On 12 March 2013 13:23, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote:

On 2013-03-12 08:58, Julian Brooks wrote:

Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range
finder
sensors (for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd
like to
share for getting the data into Pd?


I connect them to the analog inputs of an Arduino and send the data
to Pd which reads it using [comport].

Martin




#N canvas 57 434 568 394 10;
#X text 191 61 -packet starts with the letter 'R';
#X msg 139 88 0;
#X obj 112 117 f 0;
#X obj 112 12 inlet;
#X obj 143 117 + 1;
#X obj 112 142 pack 0 0;
#X text 173 144 - prefix each character with its index;
#X obj 112 168 route 0 1 2 3;
#X obj 130 206 - 48;
#X obj 170 206 - 48;
#X obj 210 206 - 48;
#X obj 130 241 * 100;
#X obj 170 241 * 10;
#X obj 170 313 +;
#X obj 155 333 +;
#X obj 155 357 outlet;
#X text 247 206 - convert ASCII digit to integer;
#X text 215 264 - combine the decimal digits;
#X obj 139 63 route 82;
#X obj 112 37 t b f;
#X text 112 -7 unpacks a stream of characters from a maxbotix sonar
sensor;
#X text 368 342 Martin Peach 2013_03_12;
#X connect 1 0 2 1;
#X connect 2 0 5 0;
#X connect 2 0 4 0;
#X connect 3 0 19 0;
#X connect 4 0 2 1;
#X connect 5 0 7 0;
#X connect 7 1 8 0;
#X connect 7 2 9 0;
#X connect 7 3 10 0;
#X connect 8 0 11 0;
#X connect 9 0 12 0;
#X connect 10 0 14 0;
#X connect 11 0 13 1;
#X connect 12 0 13 0;
#X connect 13 0 14 1;
#X connect 14 0 15 0;
#X connect 18 0 1 0;
#X connect 18 1 5 1;
#X connect 19 0 2 0;
#X connect 19 1 18 0;
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Re: [PD] hcs/screensize doesn't work w/ -nogui

2013-03-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes








 From: Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com
To: pd-list@iem.at 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: [PD] hcs/screensize doesn't work w/ -nogui
 

any particular reason why it doesn't?

It relies on tcl/tk to measure the screen size.  When you don't load the
gui, you don't load tcl/tk, and thus you are stripped of the tool you need
to get the screen size.



you can try to run the help patch, add a [stdout], relaunch the help patch 
with -nogui.

I'm making a simple splashscreen with a gem -nogui patch, and it needs to 
render the image in the center of the screen.
I know I could use [shell], but I'd rather a cross-platform solution.

can I fix the screensize object or is there another object I'm not aware of?

Does the tclpd library execute with the -nogui flag?  If so it should be pretty
simple to use that to return the screensize.

-Jonathan



thanks!




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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Alexandre Saunier
Hi Julian,

The WRM1 seems to work the same way as the ones I know. I'd be interested to 
know how it reacts and what you do with it!

My git hub is alx-s.
I've just added athe RPi_tutorials repo 
(https://github.com/alx-s/RPi_tutorials) with a first tutorial concerning OSC 
bewtween python and pd.
Keep in mind I'm new to git and I write the tutorials as I work. If you spot 
any mistake, have, suggestion or have anything to add, ..., please tell me!
That's all I've written for today but others will come by the end of the week 
(GPIO, using Maxbotix...). Good luck with it ;)

Have fun,
Alex

 





 De : Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com


I'm thinking this one

XL-MaxSonar - WRM1
look forward to checking tutorials.  What's your github address?

Cheers,

Julian



On 12 March 2013 14:35, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.com wrote:

'Power filters' are simple RC filters you can solder directly on the sensor, 
they help eliminating electric noise. Since the analog output of the sensor 
depends on the voltage with which it is fed, the cleaner the  supply voltage, 
the better the analog output.
I don't know which sensor you're gonna us, but assuming it works like the 
MB1000 or MB1200, you will find a lot of useful tips inside the datasheet and 
in the tutorial page.

I'll start cleaning up my mess and a few short tutorials should be on my 
github by this evening.

Best,
Alex






 De : Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com



Hi Alex,

Many thanks for the info.

What are 'power filters'?

Yes on RPi, so tutorials would be very helpful.

Best wishes,

Julian




On 12 March 2013 13:32, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Hi Julian,

As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's 
indoor sensors a few times.

One
 thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors 
interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
You might want to take a look at power filters too.
Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry 
pi. 
My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python and 
then send them to pd using OSC. 
I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through, if 
you use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.



Have fun,
Alex 





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À : PD List pd-list@iem.at 
Envoyé le : Mardi 12 mars 2013 13h58
Objet : [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder
 


Hi,

I'm after some advice:

For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder 
sensors (for outdoors).

Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to 
share for getting the data into Pd?

Cheers,

Julian

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Re: [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

2013-03-12 Thread Julian Brooks
Thanks Martin and Alex,

Will, no doubt, be back with/for more soon.

Julian

On 12 March 2013 18:19, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi Julian,

 The WRM1 seems to work the same way as the ones I know. I'd be interested
 to know how it reacts and what you do with it!

 My git hub is alx-s.
 I've just added athe RPi_tutorials repo (
 https://github.com/alx-s/RPi_tutorials) with a first tutorial concerning
 OSC bewtween python and pd.
 Keep in mind I'm new to git and I write the tutorials as I work. If you
 spot any mistake, have, suggestion or have anything to add, ..., please
 tell me!
 That's all I've written for today but others will come by the end of the
 week (GPIO, using Maxbotix...). Good luck with it ;)

 Have fun,
 Alex




   --
 *De :* Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com

 I'm thinking this one
 XL-MaxSonar - WRM1
 look forward to checking tutorials.  What's your github address?

 Cheers,

 Julian


 On 12 March 2013 14:35, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 'Power filters' are simple RC filters you can solder directly on the
 sensor, they help eliminating electric noise. Since the analog output of
 the sensor depends on the voltage with which it is fed, the cleaner the
 supply voltage, the better the analog output.
 I don't know which sensor you're gonna us, but assuming it works like the
 MB1000 or MB1200, you will find a lot of useful tips inside the datasheet
 and in the tutorial page.

 I'll start cleaning up my mess and a few short tutorials should be on my
 github by this evening.

 Best,
 Alex


   --
 *De :* Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com
 **

 Hi Alex,

 Many thanks for the info.

 What are 'power filters'?

 Yes on RPi, so tutorials would be very helpful.

 Best wishes,

 Julian



 On 12 March 2013 13:32, Alexandre Saunier saunier.alexan...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi Julian,

 As for the URF, I can't give you any infos but I've been using Maxbotix's
 indoor sensors a few times.

 One thing you really want to take into acount is the fact that sensors
 interract with each others, you therefore need to chain them properly.
 You might want to take a look at power filters too.
 Maxbotix's tutorial page has been quite useful to me so far.

 As to get the infos to pd, I've been using these sensors with a raspberry
 pi.
 My option has been to collect the data from the RPi's GPIO using python
 and then send them to pd using OSC.
 I'm starting to write small tutorials explaining what I've been through,
 if you use the RPi too I'd be happy to point them to you.

 Have fun,
 Alex


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 *Objet :* [PD] Ultrasonic Range Finder

 Hi,

 I'm after some advice:

 For an installation piece I'd like to do I'm investigating range finder
 sensors (for outdoors).

 Has anyone experience of the Maxbotic URF's and any tips they'd like to
 share for getting the data into Pd?

 Cheers,

 Julian

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Re: [PD] PD 4 Pandora

2013-03-12 Thread dreamer
Ok, I finally have vanilla Pd working on the Pandora.

Had to compile latest jack2 (as jack1 still has 'alignment trap' errors)
and specify which capture and playback ports to use. Then compile Pd
without alsa to ensure it doesn't try to connect anyway.
I will now go through some of the externals and see which ones I can get to
work (entire pd-extended is maybe a bit too much right now. I tried the
compile but had issues getting it to see lua5.1).

Anyway, problem mostly solved :)


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM, dreamer drea...@puikheid.nl wrote:

 I haven't gotten anywhere with this yet, does anyone else have an idea
 what I should look at to get alsa working on the pandora?



 On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:52 PM, dreamer drea...@puikheid.nl wrote:

 I've been trying to compile Puredata for the Pandora handheld. Getting
 the UI to work with tcl/tk 8.5 was fairly straightforward, although the
 terminal is filled with:
 watchdog: signalling pd...

 Otherwise I'm having a lot of issues with alsa. When selecting alsa as
 output I get:

 snd_pcm_hw_params (input): Invalid argument
 snd_pcm_hw_params (output): Invalid argument

 In the settings I can select two alsa devices:

 omap3pandora (hardware)
 omap3pandora (plugin)

 Which both fail. When I select portaudio output I get:

 pd: src/common/pa_front.c:325: Pa_Initialize: Assertion `PortAudio: compile 
 time and runtime endianness don't match  (((char *)nativeOne)[0]) == 0` 
 failed.Pd: signal 6

 And it crashes.

 Are there some configure flags to mitigate these problems?
 Some more info on the device in question:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_%28console%29#Pandora_1GHz

 Any ideas to get this working are welcome :)


 regards,
 drmr



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[PD] Missing pdp objects in pd-extended

2013-03-12 Thread dreamer
Installed from apt.puredata.info for wheezy (I run sid):
pd-extended_0.43.4-1_i386.deb

I was browsing the help and looking at pdp/examples/example01.pd (and
others) I am missing:

pdp_conv_sobel_edge
pdp_motion_phase
pdp_gradient
pdp_blur
pdp_grey
pdp_saturation
pdp_cheby3o
pdp_save_png_sequence
pdp_diff
pdp_agc
pdp_contrast
pdp_motion_fade
pdp_pps

I don't know if these where ever part of pd-extended. Have they been
removed?
This makes most of the examples pretty useless.


grtz,
drmr
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Re: [PD] hcs/screensize doesn't work w/ -nogui

2013-03-12 Thread Marco Donnarumma


 any particular reason why it doesn't?

 It relies on tcl/tk to measure the screen size.  When you don't load the
 gui, you don't load tcl/tk, and thus you are stripped of the tool you need
 to get the screen size.


ok, thanks, now it's clear!



 
 you can try to run the help patch, add a [stdout], relaunch the help
 patch with -nogui.
 
 I'm making a simple splashscreen with a gem -nogui patch, and it needs to
 render the image in the center of the screen.
 I know I could use [shell], but I'd rather a cross-platform solution.
 
 can I fix the screensize object or is there another object I'm not aware
 of?

 Does the tclpd library execute with the -nogui flag?  If so it should be
 pretty
 simple to use that to return the screensize.


ok. I'm not sure how to check whether tclpd executes w/ -nogui.
How can I check?

I'm following your suggestion and make a small tclpd object.

cheers,
M



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Re: [PD] Missing pdp objects in pd-extended

2013-03-12 Thread Pagano, Patrick
they are in the doc


From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of dreamer 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:54 PM
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Subject: [PD] Missing pdp objects in pd-extended

Installed from apt.puredata.infohttp://apt.puredata.info for wheezy (I run 
sid): pd-extended_0.43.4-1_i386.deb

I was browsing the help and looking at pdp/examples/example01.pd (and others) I 
am missing:

pdp_conv_sobel_edge
pdp_motion_phase
pdp_gradient
pdp_blur
pdp_grey
pdp_saturation
pdp_cheby3o
pdp_save_png_sequence
pdp_diff
pdp_agc
pdp_contrast
pdp_motion_fade
pdp_pps

I don't know if these where ever part of pd-extended. Have they been removed?
This makes most of the examples pretty useless.


grtz,
drmr
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