Re: [PD] It's too quiet in here
Right on indeed. I for one am very much looking forward to poring over the (hopefully vast) documentation generated over the Cali Pd weekend of events. Did look very cool. Any news on that front? And Phil - The list has been quiet over the last week or so but definitely traffic going on all through Nov. Perhaps an issue with your mailer? All the best, Julian On 21 November 2013 21:33, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: On 11/21/13 1:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: On 11/21/2013 02:04 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hmm, this once-thriving list has gone awfully silent of late. Is this thing on? tap tap I had the pleasure of meeting, for the first time, several august members of the Pd community this past weekend, thanks to Joe Deken and New Blankets gathering some of us together in San Diego and Los Angeles. Miller, Roman, Ivica, Jonathan, (and Katja -- I didn't do more than say hi, sorry) I just wanted to say that I am grateful to be involved in a group of such talented and humble people, and constantly marvel at what a powerful tool has been placed into my hands, at no cost. May Pd never die! Hi Phil, It was great to meet you! Personally I've been sending diffs to Ivica to get some stuff into Pd-l2ork, so that some of the features I showed in my workshop will work out of the box. Best, Jonathan I'm keeping a sharp eye on your work with Pd-l2ork on OS X, Jonathan. It looks like such an excellent environment, I really want to work in it. For one thing, I've heard all the many good arguments for straight, unsegmented patch cords, but I don't think I'd ever get tired of seeing splined patch cords in my patches! Having seen both, I'd say splines work better in all ways. BTW, regarding the title of this thread; I just searched the archives and realized that I hadn't gotten any messages since Nov. 6. After my post today, I'm getting them again. Anybody else had any glitches in getting list messages, or is it something local for me? Phil ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] anyone using array quantile?
Thank you very much. That does the trick. Though, [array random] doesn't seem to be working as I expected. Am I right to think that it should produce the same result as [array quantile] fed with uniformly distributed random values? If so I'm getting very different results here. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* On 22 November 2013 04:16, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: I think the patch is occasionally (once every 512 times on average) sending zero to array quantile which then outputs the index of the first nonzero number in the table -- in this case a point with probability about 1e-45. Maybe try random 1e8 (or so) and divide by 1e8 to get a more continuous, less grainy random sample out of the array. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:51:19AM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Hello, Has anyone got any experience with [array quantile]? I'm getting some strange results and I've done everything I can think of. I've attached a patch that should clarify the problem. Basically, sometimes, not always, [array quantile] returns some weird numbers that I can't explain. And a related issue: array random doesn't seem to be doing what it should be doing. It returns very different values, compared with quantile fed with random values between 0 and 1. Again, there is an example of what I mean in the attached patch. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] anyone using array quantile?
There could be something wrong. But array_random_bang() (in x_array.c) cooks up a pseudorandom number from 0 to 1 (I believe) and then calls array_quantile_float() with it. That's exactly what connecting random() to array_quantile in a patch should be doing. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 09:38:59AM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Thank you very much. That does the trick. Though, [array random] doesn't seem to be working as I expected. Am I right to think that it should produce the same result as [array quantile] fed with uniformly distributed random values? If so I'm getting very different results here. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* On 22 November 2013 04:16, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: I think the patch is occasionally (once every 512 times on average) sending zero to array quantile which then outputs the index of the first nonzero number in the table -- in this case a point with probability about 1e-45. Maybe try random 1e8 (or so) and divide by 1e8 to get a more continuous, less grainy random sample out of the array. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:51:19AM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Hello, Has anyone got any experience with [array quantile]? I'm getting some strange results and I've done everything I can think of. I've attached a patch that should clarify the problem. Basically, sometimes, not always, [array quantile] returns some weird numbers that I can't explain. And a related issue: array random doesn't seem to be doing what it should be doing. It returns very different values, compared with quantile fed with random values between 0 and 1. Again, there is an example of what I mean in the attached patch. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] anyone using array quantile?
Aha and bngo! In effect - array random is only looking at the lower 1/2 of the distribution. I made a stupid C data type fumble in the code. I recently tripped over a bug, too, in text set - will attempt to fix them both and issue an updated pd-0.45 in the next day or 2. Thanks for flagging this! Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:56:54PM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Thanks. In this case I think something isn't right with [array random]. Using the same array, I get very different patterns with the two methods (see attached patch). The difference is obvious with a gaussian distribution, which looks skewed when generated with [array random]. Best, Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* On 22 November 2013 15:48, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: There could be something wrong. But array_random_bang() (in x_array.c) cooks up a pseudorandom number from 0 to 1 (I believe) and then calls array_quantile_float() with it. That's exactly what connecting random() to array_quantile in a patch should be doing. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 09:38:59AM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Thank you very much. That does the trick. Though, [array random] doesn't seem to be working as I expected. Am I right to think that it should produce the same result as [array quantile] fed with uniformly distributed random values? If so I'm getting very different results here. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* On 22 November 2013 04:16, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: I think the patch is occasionally (once every 512 times on average) sending zero to array quantile which then outputs the index of the first nonzero number in the table -- in this case a point with probability about 1e-45. Maybe try random 1e8 (or so) and divide by 1e8 to get a more continuous, less grainy random sample out of the array. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:51:19AM +, peiman khosravi wrote: Hello, Has anyone got any experience with [array quantile]? I'm getting some strange results and I've done everything I can think of. I've attached a patch that should clarify the problem. Basically, sometimes, not always, [array quantile] returns some weird numbers that I can't explain. And a related issue: array random doesn't seem to be doing what it should be doing. It returns very different values, compared with quantile fed with random values between 0 and 1. Again, there is an example of what I mean in the attached patch. Thanks Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] It's too quiet in here
Julian, there's ton's of California Pd weekend video material (presentations, discussions, workshops, live performance) but it must be viewed, edited, compressed etcetera. I would expect that it will be available at newblankets.org in a while. Katja On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote: Right on indeed. I for one am very much looking forward to poring over the (hopefully vast) documentation generated over the Cali Pd weekend of events. Did look very cool. Any news on that front? And Phil - The list has been quiet over the last week or so but definitely traffic going on all through Nov. Perhaps an issue with your mailer? All the best, Julian On 21 November 2013 21:33, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: On 11/21/13 1:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: On 11/21/2013 02:04 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hmm, this once-thriving list has gone awfully silent of late. Is this thing on? tap tap I had the pleasure of meeting, for the first time, several august members of the Pd community this past weekend, thanks to Joe Deken and New Blankets gathering some of us together in San Diego and Los Angeles. Miller, Roman, Ivica, Jonathan, (and Katja -- I didn't do more than say hi, sorry) I just wanted to say that I am grateful to be involved in a group of such talented and humble people, and constantly marvel at what a powerful tool has been placed into my hands, at no cost. May Pd never die! Hi Phil, It was great to meet you! Personally I've been sending diffs to Ivica to get some stuff into Pd-l2ork, so that some of the features I showed in my workshop will work out of the box. Best, Jonathan I'm keeping a sharp eye on your work with Pd-l2ork on OS X, Jonathan. It looks like such an excellent environment, I really want to work in it. For one thing, I've heard all the many good arguments for straight, unsegmented patch cords, but I don't think I'd ever get tired of seeing splined patch cords in my patches! Having seen both, I'd say splines work better in all ways. BTW, regarding the title of this thread; I just searched the archives and realized that I hadn't gotten any messages since Nov. 6. After my post today, I'm getting them again. Anybody else had any glitches in getting list messages, or is it something local for me? Phil ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] New Blankets Pd Cali weekend (was) Re: It's too quiet in here
Hey Katja, Good to hear. Are you back now? Very much looking forward to checking your mobile wearable stuff - the photo looked fantastic (you should post it it is very cool:). And the mic building workshop etc etc On 22 November 2013 19:55, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Julian, there's ton's of California Pd weekend video material (presentations, discussions, workshops, live performance) but it must be viewed, edited, compressed etcetera. I would expect that it will be available at newblankets.org in a while. Katja On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote: Right on indeed. I for one am very much looking forward to poring over the (hopefully vast) documentation generated over the Cali Pd weekend of events. Did look very cool. Any news on that front? And Phil - The list has been quiet over the last week or so but definitely traffic going on all through Nov. Perhaps an issue with your mailer? All the best, Julian On 21 November 2013 21:33, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: On 11/21/13 1:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: On 11/21/2013 02:04 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Hmm, this once-thriving list has gone awfully silent of late. Is this thing on? tap tap I had the pleasure of meeting, for the first time, several august members of the Pd community this past weekend, thanks to Joe Deken and New Blankets gathering some of us together in San Diego and Los Angeles. Miller, Roman, Ivica, Jonathan, (and Katja -- I didn't do more than say hi, sorry) I just wanted to say that I am grateful to be involved in a group of such talented and humble people, and constantly marvel at what a powerful tool has been placed into my hands, at no cost. May Pd never die! Hi Phil, It was great to meet you! Personally I've been sending diffs to Ivica to get some stuff into Pd-l2ork, so that some of the features I showed in my workshop will work out of the box. Best, Jonathan I'm keeping a sharp eye on your work with Pd-l2ork on OS X, Jonathan. It looks like such an excellent environment, I really want to work in it. For one thing, I've heard all the many good arguments for straight, unsegmented patch cords, but I don't think I'd ever get tired of seeing splined patch cords in my patches! Having seen both, I'd say splines work better in all ways. BTW, regarding the title of this thread; I just searched the archives and realized that I hadn't gotten any messages since Nov. 6. After my post today, I'm getting them again. Anybody else had any glitches in getting list messages, or is it something local for me? Phil ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd-wavelet not working properly ?
When I open the pd (0.43) wavelet pitcher/stretcher demo in pd-extended/extra/pd-wavelet/main.pd the sound is fine unless I adjust the pitch control, then the sound is really messed up, I can barely make it out. It happens with both a sound file and live signal. I've tried different Jack period sizes. Some other patches and the sound tests work OK. Can anyone verify this and tell me what might be wrong, if anything? I've not tried to contact the author yet. I'm anxious to see how wavelets compare with phase vocoding. Thanks. Tim. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
