Re: [PD] check mail with pd ?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 09/02/14 16:34, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

On 02/08/2014 11:44 PM, Simon Wise wrote:


...


It would be nice to be able to do this natively, especially since many Pd
programmers are not that familiar with procedural programming. It is certainly
practical and worthwhile to extend Pd for this but that requires some of the
things that have been long put off till later for a very very long time.
Meanwhile the Lua external provides the way to do what remains problematic
natively (as much due to policy as anything else) and anyone capable of adding
functionality to Pd will find it much much easier to use Lau than to engage in
a huge and perhaps fruitless effort to push it into Pd.


It sounds like you are rationalizing and encouraging non-development.


More pointing out the frustrations that have been experienced in the past, and 
noting that decisions about what is added to Pd core are very consistent and are 
very careful, cautious and slow in these areas in particular. As you pointed out 
adding something like a string type without introducing it to [print] is not 
good, so ... you use clumsy workarounds that don't actually allow strings in 
messages, perhaps just pointers to stings with arcane results in [print] ... or 
write a bunch of replacement core objects that recognise strings to use within 
the library such as [stringprint] etc ... or use a fork with enhanced types and 
core objects that may or may not be compatible with some eventual core string type.


It may be worth enhancing pd-l2ork this way as it has already departed 
considerably from pd, their choice has been to speed up development by bypassing 
these issues and pushing ahead without integration with core Pd, but I think 
adding strings confined to a small set of string-aware objects which remain 
otherwise compatible with vanilla the way gridflow added matrices isn't worth 
it, there is a much greater pay-off with matrices ... gridflow is a huge project 
with a very substantial library of matrix operations, while the authors long ago 
abandoned hope of their efforts being included in vanilla and develop in 
parallel. Development effort on a smaller scale is probably better spent in ways 
that will integrate with core pd, and there are plenty of those ... including 
your own solid efforts.




But it also sounds like we agree that there is nothing about boxes of text
connected with lines that makes string manipulation more difficult than lines of
text.


Absolutely, just the absence of a well defined string type that can be sent down 
those lines. Arguments advancing the addition of a string selector to Pd core 
are very worthwhile, I guess probably on pd-dev? it ultimately is a discussion 
with Miller. There was a link to something being worked on currently, earlier in 
this thread.



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[PD] How to get a list of midi devices without GUI

2014-02-09 Thread Antoine Villeret
Hello,

I'm wondering how to get a list of midiout devices without GUI.
This has to work without GUI.

I tried [mediasettings/midisettings] but it always report 0 devices (both
in and out) when there is no GUI.
i also know the -listdev option to Pd, but this only list devices in
console, and I need to proccess the number in the patch.

I observe this on Linux (both Ubuntu 12.04 64bit and Raspbian (kernel
3.10.25+) with pd 0.45-4.
But it seems to be OK on MacOS with pd 0.45-3.

Thanks

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Re: [PD] How to get a list of midi devices without GUI

2014-02-09 Thread Pagano, Patrick
I think it's just --listdevices on the command line

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Antoine Villeret 
antoine.ville...@gmail.commailto:antoine.ville...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

I'm wondering how to get a list of midiout devices without GUI.
This has to work without GUI.

I tried [mediasettings/midisettings] but it always report 0 devices (both in 
and out) when there is no GUI.
i also know the -listdev option to Pd, but this only list devices in console, 
and I need to proccess the number in the patch.

I observe this on Linux (both Ubuntu 12.04 64bit and Raspbian (kernel 3.10.25+) 
with pd 0.45-4.
But it seems to be OK on MacOS with pd 0.45-3.

Thanks

Antoine

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Re: [PD] How to get a list of midi devices without GUI

2014-02-09 Thread Antoine Villeret
thanks, but no,

at least with Pd Vanilla 0.45-4, the right flag is *-listdev* to list all
devices (both midi and alsa) in the PD's console.

According to this 10-years old post [1], I can still make a redirection of
stderr or read at it.

Another solution, since my problem concern only Linux, is to read the
output of `ls /dev/midi* | wc -l` to get a list of mididevices, but this
doesn't tell if it's input or output.

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2014-02-09 16:08 GMT+01:00 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu:

  I think it's just --listdevices on the command line

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Antoine Villeret 
 antoine.ville...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hello,

  I'm wondering how to get a list of midiout devices without GUI.
 This has to work without GUI.

  I tried [mediasettings/midisettings] but it always report 0 devices
 (both in and out) when there is no GUI.
 i also know the -listdev option to Pd, but this only list devices in
 console, and I need to proccess the number in the patch.

  I observe this on Linux (both Ubuntu 12.04 64bit and Raspbian (kernel
 3.10.25+) with pd 0.45-4.
 But it seems to be OK on MacOS with pd 0.45-3.

  Thanks

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Re: [PD] How to get a list of midi devices without GUI

2014-02-09 Thread Antoine Villeret
hello again,


I found the issue,

with `-nogui`, the patch is loaded before midisettings are done (like
audiosettings)
and `[mediasettings/midisettings]` updates it's own device list on startup
or on `[device ...(` message.

So when the patch is loaded at startup without gui,
`[mediasettings/midisettings(` records 0 mididevices.
I have to send a dummy `[device ...(` message 1sec after loadbang to update
the list and then `[listdevices(` report the right number of devices.
Another solution could be to delay the patch loading.

Shouldn't `[mediasettings/midisettings]` update it's own device lists on
`[listdevices(` message ?

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2014-02-09 16:17 GMT+01:00 Antoine Villeret antoine.ville...@gmail.com:

 thanks, but no,

 at least with Pd Vanilla 0.45-4, the right flag is *-listdev* to list all
 devices (both midi and alsa) in the PD's console.

 According to this 10-years old post [1], I can still make a redirection of
 stderr or read at it.

 Another solution, since my problem concern only Linux, is to read the
 output of `ls /dev/midi* | wc -l` to get a list of mididevices, but this
 doesn't tell if it's input or output.

 +
 a

 [1] : http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2004-10/023368.html

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 2014-02-09 16:08 GMT+01:00 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu:

  I think it's just --listdevices on the command line

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Antoine Villeret 
 antoine.ville...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hello,

  I'm wondering how to get a list of midiout devices without GUI.
 This has to work without GUI.

  I tried [mediasettings/midisettings] but it always report 0 devices
 (both in and out) when there is no GUI.
 i also know the -listdev option to Pd, but this only list devices in
 console, and I need to proccess the number in the patch.

  I observe this on Linux (both Ubuntu 12.04 64bit and Raspbian (kernel
 3.10.25+) with pd 0.45-4.
 But it seems to be OK on MacOS with pd 0.45-3.

  Thanks

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Re: [PD] How to get a list of midi devices without GUI

2014-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
In Pd-l2ork you can also do this:
[print(
|
[pdinfo]

Which prints all the info for the running Pd instance to the console, including 
devices.  Or you can send it a message to get a specific attribute like
[audio-outdev, midi-outdevlist(
|
[pdinfo]

I tried it with [loadbang] and -nogui, and all the audio devices display 
properly.  I can't test midi because I don't have any midi devices.


-Jonathan




On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:49 AM, Antoine Villeret 
antoine.ville...@gmail.com wrote:
 
hello again, 


I found the issue, 

with `-nogui`, the patch is loaded before midisettings are done (like 
audiosettings)
and `[mediasettings/midisettings]` updates it's own device list on startup or 
on `[device ...(` message.

So when the patch is loaded at startup without gui, 
`[mediasettings/midisettings(` records 0 mididevices.
I have to send a dummy `[device ...(` message 1sec after loadbang to update the 
list and then `[listdevices(` report the right number of devices.
Another solution could be to delay the patch loading.

Shouldn't `[mediasettings/midisettings]` update it's own device lists on 
`[listdevices(` message ?

+
A




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2014-02-09 16:17 GMT+01:00 Antoine Villeret antoine.ville...@gmail.com:

thanks, but no, 


at least with Pd Vanilla 0.45-4, the right flag is *-listdev* to list all 
devices (both midi and alsa) in the PD's console.


According to this 10-years old post [1], I can still make a redirection of 
stderr or read at it.


Another solution, since my problem concern only Linux, is to read the output 
of `ls /dev/midi* | wc -l` to get a list of mididevices, but this doesn't tell 
if it's input or output.


+
a


[1] : http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2004-10/023368.html


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2014-02-09 16:08 GMT+01:00 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu:


I think it's just --listdevices on the command line

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Antoine Villeret antoine.ville...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hello,  


I'm wondering how to get a list of midiout devices without GUI.
This has to work without GUI.


I tried [mediasettings/midisettings] but it always report 0 devices (both in 
and out) when there is no GUI.
i also know the -listdev option to Pd, but this only list devices in 
console, and I need to proccess the number in the patch.


I observe this on Linux (both Ubuntu 12.04 64bit and Raspbian (kernel 
3.10.25+) with pd 0.45-4.
But it seems to be OK on MacOS with pd 0.45-3.


Thanks


Antoine


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[PD] [pix_video]: no valid video backend found

2014-02-09 Thread Steffen Juul Christensen
Dear pd-list,

I can instantiate [pix_video], but not find and use the build in webcam of my 
computer.

I’m running Pd Pd 0.45.4 32bit with
GEM: ver: 0.93.3 
GEM: compiled: Nov 10 2011
on a Macbook Air running OS X 10.9.1

The [dialog( message does not open a dialog window.

Sending [enumerate( makes Gem print the following to the console:

videoctl: enumerate
could not get SG channnel Device List
[pix_video]: no devices found”.

When [pix_video] is instantiated it claims that 

[pix_video]: backend #0='Darwin'   : darwin dv iidc analog “, 

but none the less I’m told that

[pix_video]: no valid video backend found”.

A Open CV library for Processing 2 ensures me that the camera does work.

Using Pd-extended (shipped with Gem) doesn’t help me.

Any help/clues are appreciated. I’m sorry if this is trivial or a faq. I’ve 
search the archives with no luck.

Best,
Steffen
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[PD] Released rhizome v0.1 : web server for participative performances and installations.

2014-02-09 Thread s p
Hi all!

I just open-sourced a web server we used to do some participative sound
performances. I thought some of you might find it interesting.

More info on the github page : https://github.com/sebpiq/rhizome

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Re: [PD] [PD - 2] check mail with pd ?

2014-02-09 Thread Martin Peach

Did you try

[pyext gmail.box]
|
[t b f]
| |
[bng] [nbx\

?

Martin


On 2014-02-09 17:19, Fero Kiraly wrote:

I think I have found an interesting theme about strings. ;)

but the content of email dont really interest me. I actually need to get
a bang when an mail with some subject is found,
my pyext extension can find the emails BUt it wont send a bang
(maybe bug?)

look attached.
thanks for any ideas

fero


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Re: [PD] [PD - 2] check mail with pd ?

2014-02-09 Thread Fero Kiraly
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On Feb 10, 2014 12:34 AM, Fero Kiraly fero.kir...@gmail.com wrote:

 yes, i tried many combinations of sending / routing message.. everything
works besides getting bang from that..

 i also trided a simple counter which works but i cant get no bang trigger
from any boxes...

 i have only clue to recompile pyext... because i use the precompiled x64
version from g~ 's site.

 it is working for you?

 On Feb 10, 2014 12:09 AM, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
wrote:

 Did you try

 [pyext gmail.box]
 |
 [t b f]
 | |
 [bng] [nbx\

 ?

 Martin


 On 2014-02-09 17:19, Fero Kiraly wrote:

 I think I have found an interesting theme about strings. ;)

 but the content of email dont really interest me. I actually need to get
 a bang when an mail with some subject is found,
 my pyext extension can find the emails BUt it wont send a bang
 (maybe bug?)

 look attached.
 thanks for any ideas

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[PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pall Thayer
I'm giving a presentation this week. In a way, it's a counter argument to a
recent presentation on Max/MSP. One of the things that I want to highlight
is the open sourceness of PD. libpd presents a very good argument and
I'll be highlighting a project I was involved with that produced an IOS app
that used libpd as the audio engine. Is there anything else I should be
considering besides the obvious points of open source being open source.
Concrete examples of PD's open sourceness trumping proprietary technologies?

Thanks,
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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pagano, Patrick
What App Pall?

Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A
Audio and Projection Design Faculty
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida, USA
(352)294-2020

From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of Pall Thayer 
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To: pd-list
Subject: [PD] Is open source better?

I'm giving a presentation this week. In a way, it's a counter argument to a 
recent presentation on Max/MSP. One of the things that I want to highlight is 
the open sourceness of PD. libpd presents a very good argument and I'll be 
highlighting a project I was involved with that produced an IOS app that used 
libpd as the audio engine. Is there anything else I should be considering 
besides the obvious points of open source being open source. Concrete examples 
of PD's open sourceness trumping proprietary technologies?

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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 10/02/14 11:53, Pall Thayer wrote:

I'm giving a presentation this week. In a way, it's a counter argument to a
recent presentation on Max/MSP. One of the things that I want to highlight
is the open sourceness of PD. libpd presents a very good argument and
I'll be highlighting a project I was involved with that produced an IOS app
that used libpd as the audio engine. Is there anything else I should be
considering besides the obvious points of open source being open source.
Concrete examples of PD's open sourceness trumping proprietary technologies?


IOs is an odd choice for talking about open source when the only way to install 
such an app in a device (without jailbreaking it or paying the developer tithe) 
is by licensing the binary closed source (on their terms) to Apple to distribute 
via their platform-monopoly app store, which will not distribute the sources or 
GPL or LGPL apps?


Certainly licenses such as libpd's BSD like one do allow reuse of the code in 
any app, open source or otherwise, but then is that use still open source???



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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pall Thayer
This is where things enter into the odd world of academia. In all honesty,
I think our application for the particular grant that was available was an
outlier. The grant came with caveats. Projects were to target technology
that would likely be used by faculty and students and the resulting work
(publications or, in our case, software) would be released under open
licenses. As far as I could tell, ours was the only project that was
producing actual software. We were able to pay the Apple Dev fee for one
year from our funds but our application wasn't ready for distribution
within that time so we never submitted it to the app store and have
released the source code instead. We were never big fans of distributing it
through the app store anyway.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/02/14 11:53, Pall Thayer wrote:

 I'm giving a presentation this week. In a way, it's a counter argument to
 a
 recent presentation on Max/MSP. One of the things that I want to highlight
 is the open sourceness of PD. libpd presents a very good argument and
 I'll be highlighting a project I was involved with that produced an IOS
 app
 that used libpd as the audio engine. Is there anything else I should be
 considering besides the obvious points of open source being open source.
 Concrete examples of PD's open sourceness trumping proprietary
 technologies?


 IOs is an odd choice for talking about open source when the only way to
 install such an app in a device (without jailbreaking it or paying the
 developer tithe) is by licensing the binary closed source (on their terms)
 to Apple to distribute via their platform-monopoly app store, which will
 not distribute the sources or GPL or LGPL apps?

 Certainly licenses such as libpd's BSD like one do allow reuse of the code
 in any app, open source or otherwise, but then is that use still open
 source???


 Simon

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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 10/02/14 13:36, Pall Thayer wrote:

This is where things enter into the odd world of academia. In all honesty,
I think our application for the particular grant that was available was an
outlier. The grant came with caveats. Projects were to target technology
that would likely be used by faculty and students and the resulting work
(publications or, in our case, software) would be released under open
licenses. As far as I could tell, ours was the only project that was
producing actual software. We were able to pay the Apple Dev fee for one
year from our funds but our application wasn't ready for distribution
within that time so we never submitted it to the app store and have
released the source code instead. We were never big fans of distributing it
through the app store anyway.


Well I guess the target platform is jail-broken Apples then.

Re academia ... I spent the last few years studying in an Australian university, 
maths and computing ... the students were a reasonable mix of linux, mac and 
windows users, not sure about the android/iOS split, while the staff and 
teaching had a somewhat stronger emphasis on linux and open source than the 
students. Matlab was the main exception to this.


As a target platform android certainly has a much bigger user base worldwide 
than jail-broken iOS, though the apples may be much better for some audio uses.



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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pall Thayer
https://github.com/pallthayer/gesturalmusic


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:

 This was a faculty grant at a US arts-focused college. I would say that
 95% of students, 80% of faculty use Apple products. That really doesn't
 matter though. The project is out there. It can be ported to any platform
 if people want. More than anything, it was a proof-of-concept project.

 If it bothers you that this was developed as an IOS app then, by all
 means, take it and turn it into an Android app.


 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/02/14 13:36, Pall Thayer wrote:

 This is where things enter into the odd world of academia. In all
 honesty,
 I think our application for the particular grant that was available was
 an
 outlier. The grant came with caveats. Projects were to target
 technology
 that would likely be used by faculty and students and the resulting work
 (publications or, in our case, software) would be released under open
 licenses. As far as I could tell, ours was the only project that was
 producing actual software. We were able to pay the Apple Dev fee for one
 year from our funds but our application wasn't ready for distribution
 within that time so we never submitted it to the app store and have
 released the source code instead. We were never big fans of distributing
 it
 through the app store anyway.


 Well I guess the target platform is jail-broken Apples then.

 Re academia ... I spent the last few years studying in an Australian
 university, maths and computing ... the students were a reasonable mix of
 linux, mac and windows users, not sure about the android/iOS split, while
 the staff and teaching had a somewhat stronger emphasis on linux and open
 source than the students. Matlab was the main exception to this.

 As a target platform android certainly has a much bigger user base
 worldwide than jail-broken iOS, though the apples may be much better for
 some audio uses.


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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pall Thayer
This was a faculty grant at a US arts-focused college. I would say that 95%
of students, 80% of faculty use Apple products. That really doesn't matter
though. The project is out there. It can be ported to any platform if
people want. More than anything, it was a proof-of-concept project.

If it bothers you that this was developed as an IOS app then, by all means,
take it and turn it into an Android app.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/02/14 13:36, Pall Thayer wrote:

 This is where things enter into the odd world of academia. In all honesty,
 I think our application for the particular grant that was available was an
 outlier. The grant came with caveats. Projects were to target technology
 that would likely be used by faculty and students and the resulting work
 (publications or, in our case, software) would be released under open
 licenses. As far as I could tell, ours was the only project that was
 producing actual software. We were able to pay the Apple Dev fee for one
 year from our funds but our application wasn't ready for distribution
 within that time so we never submitted it to the app store and have
 released the source code instead. We were never big fans of distributing
 it
 through the app store anyway.


 Well I guess the target platform is jail-broken Apples then.

 Re academia ... I spent the last few years studying in an Australian
 university, maths and computing ... the students were a reasonable mix of
 linux, mac and windows users, not sure about the android/iOS split, while
 the staff and teaching had a somewhat stronger emphasis on linux and open
 source than the students. Matlab was the main exception to this.

 As a target platform android certainly has a much bigger user base
 worldwide than jail-broken iOS, though the apples may be much better for
 some audio uses.


 Simon




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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 10/02/14 14:45, Pall Thayer wrote:

This was a faculty grant at a US arts-focused college. I would say that 95%
of students, 80% of faculty use Apple products. That really doesn't matter
though. The project is out there. It can be ported to any platform if
people want. More than anything, it was a proof-of-concept project.

If it bothers you that this was developed as an IOS app then, by all means,
take it and turn it into an Android app.


No, it doesn't bother me (and if it is BSD licensed or similar then any 
enterprising person with a developer account could reasonably make it available 
for a dollar or so to the rest of the apple user base, and split the revenue 
with Apple, so it isn't really restricted to jail-broken devices).


Apple is a good platform for lots of audio, I've used it a lot in the past. I 
was more interested in the Apple-centric academic world your choice implied, and 
the contrast to the situation here.



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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Pall Thayer
Interesting points. I posted it to github as GPL. It probably doesn't
conform to true GPL though as I didn't put that in all of the source files.
Truth is, I really don't care. If Apple requires a BSD license, that never
would have happened anyway. But this is all getting far away from my
original question.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/02/14 14:45, Pall Thayer wrote:

 This was a faculty grant at a US arts-focused college. I would say that
 95%
 of students, 80% of faculty use Apple products. That really doesn't matter
 though. The project is out there. It can be ported to any platform if
 people want. More than anything, it was a proof-of-concept project.

 If it bothers you that this was developed as an IOS app then, by all
 means,
 take it and turn it into an Android app.


 No, it doesn't bother me (and if it is BSD licensed or similar then any
 enterprising person with a developer account could reasonably make it
 available for a dollar or so to the rest of the apple user base, and split
 the revenue with Apple, so it isn't really restricted to jail-broken
 devices).

 Apple is a good platform for lots of audio, I've used it a lot in the
 past. I was more interested in the Apple-centric academic world your choice
 implied, and the contrast to the situation here.


 Simon




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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 10/02/14 14:46, Pall Thayer wrote:

https://github.com/pallthayer/gesturalmusic


It's GPL, so no enterprising re-distribution allowed.

I'll give it a try if I get time with an iOS device.


Thanks,

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Re: [PD] [PD - 2] check mail with pd ?

2014-02-09 Thread Martin Peach

On 2014-02-09 18:39, Fero Kiraly wrote:

)
On Feb 10, 2014 12:34 AM, Fero Kiraly fero.kir...@gmail.com
mailto:fero.kir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  yes, i tried many combinations of sending / routing message..
everything works besides getting bang from that..
 
  i also trided a simple counter which works but i cant get no bang
trigger from any boxes...
 
  i have only clue to recompile pyext... because i use the precompiled
x64 version from g~ 's site.
 
  it is working for you?



No I have never been able to get [pyext] to compile. I would usually put 
a [print] on the output to see what it really is outputting and go from 
there.


Martin





 
  On Feb 10, 2014 12:09 AM, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 
  Did you try
 
  [pyext gmail.box]
  |
  [t b f]
  | |
  [bng] [nbx\
 
  ?
 
  Martin
 
 
  On 2014-02-09 17:19, Fero Kiraly wrote:
 
  I think I have found an interesting theme about strings. ;)
 
  but the content of email dont really interest me. I actually need
to get
  a bang when an mail with some subject is found,
  my pyext extension can find the emails BUt it wont send a bang
  (maybe bug?)
 
  look attached.
  thanks for any ideas
 
  fero
 
 
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[PD] LyonPotpourri 3.0 and 64-bit Pd

2014-02-09 Thread Eric Lyon
As a convenience for Pd users working with Pd compiled for 64-bits, I have
provided compatible code for LyonPotpourri 3.0, which may be downloaded
here:

http://disis.music.vt.edu/eric/LyonSoftware/Pd/LyonPotpourri/

Users will need to build the externals themselves (typically by typing
make), which should be a painless process on Linux and Mac.

Cheers,

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Re: [PD] Is open source better?

2014-02-09 Thread Simon Wise

On 10/02/14 11:53, Pall Thayer wrote:


is the open sourceness of PD. libpd presents a very good argument and
I'll be highlighting a project I was involved with that produced an IOS app
that used libpd as the audio engine. Is there anything else I should be
considering besides the obvious points of open source being open source.
Concrete examples of PD's open sourceness trumping proprietary technologies?


Well before libpd there was a port to Sony's gaming platform, and the audio 
engine was used for at least a game or two. Mark Danks of GEM fame ended up with 
a job at sony, the port was apparently available to sony partners. It was pd, 
but the port was not open source, so no-one outside got any access to it.


http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-11/056300.html

Don't quite know where that fits as an example of the advantages of open source 
code, and since it became closed in the process there wasn't much trumping going 
on and hasn't been heard of since.


Simon

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