Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hey, starting to see what you mean much more clear, cool, really excited.
Thanks a lot!


2013/9/24 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> so you're basically saying all i need to use is use only the real part,
> right?
>
> my frankenstein was working and alive for several times until i tried some
> bandpass coeff, let's se if i fix this now :)
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Funs Seelen 
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Funs Seelen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> one doubt emerges really soon anyway. Since they are complex (there are
>>>> two coordinate numbers for each pole and zero) how do I get only one number
>>>> by, for example, summing or multiplying one pole to the other? as in:
>>>>
>>>> *b1* = -(P0 + P1)
>>>> *b2* = (P0*P1)
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't, the coefficients can be complex too. However, I discovered
>>> that mirroring (*) every pole and zero results in just real values without
>>> imaginary part. I don't have any mathematical proof for this, but it
>>> probably wouldn't be too hard to find such.
>>>
>>
>> I remembered again, it's called the complex conjugate.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_conjugate
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *) adding another pole/zero for each complex one, like z=-j if you
>>> already have a z=j.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

so you're basically saying all i need to use is use only the real part,
right?

my frankenstein was working and alive for several times until i tried some
bandpass coeff, let's se if i fix this now :)


2013/9/24 Funs Seelen 

>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Funs Seelen  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> one doubt emerges really soon anyway. Since they are complex (there are
>>> two coordinate numbers for each pole and zero) how do I get only one number
>>> by, for example, summing or multiplying one pole to the other? as in:
>>>
>>> *b1* = -(P0 + P1)
>>> *b2* = (P0*P1)
>>>
>>
>> You don't, the coefficients can be complex too. However, I discovered
>> that mirroring (*) every pole and zero results in just real values without
>> imaginary part. I don't have any mathematical proof for this, but it
>> probably wouldn't be too hard to find such.
>>
>
> I remembered again, it's called the complex conjugate.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_conjugate
>
>
>
>>
>> *) adding another pole/zero for each complex one, like z=-j if you
>> already have a z=j.
>>
>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

well, not sure what you mean, again way over my head, but I was giving it a
hard shot in the dark and it seemed to have worked out :)

I just summed both parts of Z0, for instance, and tried the given math,
numbers came out!

now to make more tests and see if this is consistent, then finish the patch
;)

thanks!


2013/9/24 Funs Seelen 

> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>> one doubt emerges really soon anyway. Since they are complex (there are
>> two coordinate numbers for each pole and zero) how do I get only one number
>> by, for example, summing or multiplying one pole to the other? as in:
>>
>> *b1* = -(P0 + P1)
>> *b2* = (P0*P1)
>>
>
> You don't, the coefficients can be complex too. However, I discovered that
> mirroring (*) every pole and zero results in just real values without
> imaginary part. I don't have any mathematical proof for this, but it
> probably wouldn't be too hard to find such.
>
> *) adding another pole/zero for each complex one, like z=-j if you already
> have a z=j.
>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hey joe, this blog is awesome, I stumbled upon it too, they even have an
applet that does the job I want, but no code or formulas around :P it's the
closest thing I found on the subject in the internet...

weird how I can't seem to find these formulas on google and all...

cheers


2013/9/24 Joe White 

> Hey Alexandre,
>
> This blog - EarLevel 
> Engineering<http://www.earlevel.com/main/2003/02/28/biquads/> -
> really helped with my understanding of poles/zeros and biquads. Hope it's
> useful!
>
> Cheers,
> Joe
>
>
> On 24 September 2013 06:36, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
>> for what i see, it's not some sort of straight formula, right? seems a
>> bit more complicated than that.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/23 Funs Seelen 
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks, here's a pic of what I have so far
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11212_10151872996046683_1825736206_n.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > For extra inspiration you could have a look at PoZeTools
>>>>
>>>> It sure does look like what I need. Thanks. But extracting what I need
>>>> to know about the math of converting from coordinates to coefficients was
>>>> just over my head :P unfortunately, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping for something simpler, like just the operations needed. If
>>>> the info is in code, I need it to more explicit. I'd really appreciate if
>>>> anyone knows how to read from this and just points it out for me so I can
>>>> put it in a patch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming it's rather simple math
>>>>
>>>
>>> I remember I once learned how to do this but never repeated the
>>> practice. If I find time to do that I would gladly try to figure it out
>>> again, but if someone more experienced feels the urge to chime in before
>>> that time I would be very happy too :).
>>>
>>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

one doubt emerges really soon anyway. Since they are complex (there are two
coordinate numbers for each pole and zero) how do I get only one number by,
for example, summing or multiplying one pole to the other? as in:

*b1* = -(P0 + P1)
*b2* = (P0*P1)

cheers!


2013/9/24 Alexandre Torres Porres 

>
> > This is the online tool:
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~pieter/cgi-bin/resp/nph-PZT.cgi.
>
> damn, it says it cant load it here :P
>
> but this seems like a simple formula to try out, from what you copied
> here. If that's all, and if I got what it means, I can see a patch coming
> right now :) let's see!
>
> thanks
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Funs Seelen 
>
>> Hi Alexandre,
>>
>> This is the online tool:
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~pieter/cgi-bin/resp/nph-PZT.cgi.
>>
>> It starts with an example and every time you refresh the page it gives
>> you a new one. If you scroll down there's a link that tells you how the
>> coefficients were calculated, e.g.:
>> 2 zeros give 3 coefficients: *a0* = G
>> *a1* = -G(Z0 + Z1)
>> *a2* = G(Z0*Z1)
>>
>> 2 poles give 3 coefficients: *b0* = 1
>> *b1* = -(P0 + P1)
>> *b2* = (P0*P1)
>>
>> The linear difference equation is derived from these as you can see.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Funs
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> for what i see, it's not some sort of straight formula, right? seems a
>>> bit more complicated than that.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/23 Funs Seelen 
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks, here's a pic of what I have so far
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11212_10151872996046683_1825736206_n.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > For extra inspiration you could have a look at PoZeTools
>>>>>
>>>>> It sure does look like what I need. Thanks. But extracting what I need
>>>>> to know about the math of converting from coordinates to coefficients was
>>>>> just over my head :P unfortunately, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping for something simpler, like just the operations needed.
>>>>> If the info is in code, I need it to more explicit. I'd really appreciate
>>>>> if anyone knows how to read from this and just points it out for me so I
>>>>> can put it in a patch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm assuming it's rather simple math
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember I once learned how to do this but never repeated the
>>>> practice. If I find time to do that I would gladly try to figure it out
>>>> again, but if someone more experienced feels the urge to chime in before
>>>> that time I would be very happy too :).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> This is the online tool:
http://kmt.hku.nl/~pieter/cgi-bin/resp/nph-PZT.cgi.

damn, it says it cant load it here :P

but this seems like a simple formula to try out, from what you copied here.
If that's all, and if I got what it means, I can see a patch coming right
now :) let's see!

thanks


2013/9/24 Funs Seelen 

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> This is the online tool:
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~pieter/cgi-bin/resp/nph-PZT.cgi.
>
> It starts with an example and every time you refresh the page it gives you
> a new one. If you scroll down there's a link that tells you how the
> coefficients were calculated, e.g.:
> 2 zeros give 3 coefficients: *a0* = G
> *a1* = -G(Z0 + Z1)
> *a2* = G(Z0*Z1)
>
> 2 poles give 3 coefficients: *b0* = 1
> *b1* = -(P0 + P1)
> *b2* = (P0*P1)
>
> The linear difference equation is derived from these as you can see.
>
> Regards,
> --Funs
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>> for what i see, it's not some sort of straight formula, right? seems a
>> bit more complicated than that.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/23 Funs Seelen 
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks, here's a pic of what I have so far
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11212_10151872996046683_1825736206_n.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > For extra inspiration you could have a look at PoZeTools
>>>>
>>>> It sure does look like what I need. Thanks. But extracting what I need
>>>> to know about the math of converting from coordinates to coefficients was
>>>> just over my head :P unfortunately, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping for something simpler, like just the operations needed. If
>>>> the info is in code, I need it to more explicit. I'd really appreciate if
>>>> anyone knows how to read from this and just points it out for me so I can
>>>> put it in a patch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming it's rather simple math
>>>>
>>>
>>> I remember I once learned how to do this but never repeated the
>>> practice. If I find time to do that I would gladly try to figure it out
>>> again, but if someone more experienced feels the urge to chime in before
>>> that time I would be very happy too :).
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

for what i see, it's not some sort of straight formula, right? seems a bit
more complicated than that.

cheers


2013/9/23 Funs Seelen 

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>>
>> thanks, here's a pic of what I have so far
>>
>>
>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11212_10151872996046683_1825736206_n.jpg
>>
>
> Cool.
>
>
>>
>> > For extra inspiration you could have a look at PoZeTools
>>
>> It sure does look like what I need. Thanks. But extracting what I need to
>> know about the math of converting from coordinates to coefficients was just
>> over my head :P unfortunately, sorry.
>>
>> I was hoping for something simpler, like just the operations needed. If
>> the info is in code, I need it to more explicit. I'd really appreciate if
>> anyone knows how to read from this and just points it out for me so I can
>> put it in a patch.
>>
>> I'm assuming it's rather simple math
>>
>
> I remember I once learned how to do this but never repeated the practice.
> If I find time to do that I would gladly try to figure it out again, but if
> someone more experienced feels the urge to chime in before that time I
> would be very happy too :).
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Re: [PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> Great that you're doing this!

thanks, here's a pic of what I have so far

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11212_10151872996046683_1825736206_n.jpg

> For extra inspiration you could have a look at PoZeTools

It sure does look like what I need. Thanks. But extracting what I need to
know about the math of converting from coordinates to coefficients was just
over my head :P unfortunately, sorry.

I was hoping for something simpler, like just the operations needed. If the
info is in code, I need it to more explicit. I'd really appreciate if
anyone knows how to read from this and just points it out for me so I can
put it in a patch.

I'm assuming it's rather simple math

Cheers
Alex


2013/9/23 Funs Seelen 

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> Great that you're doing this! For extra inspiration you could have a look
> at PoZeTools (http://kmt.hku.nl/~pieter/SOFT/RESP/html/PoZeTools.html).
> It's great software by Pieter Suurmond. He's the one who taught me filter
> design and he probably has some info about Z-transform on his website as
> well.
>
> Regards,
> --Funs
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>> Hi there. So, I've been studying a lot about filters, and I'm doing this
>> clone of max's z-plane in Pd.
>>
>> I hope anyone can help me guide where to find how to convert the values
>> of the complex poles and zeros to biquad coefficients. I really needed
>> that...
>>
>> Sorry if I missed it in Miller's book or some other obvious reference,
>> I'm just really a newbie in filter design.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [PD] gendy~

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

awesome, definitely using this! :)


2013/9/8 Pagano, Patrick 

>  Thank YOU 
>  --
> *From:* Matthias Kronlachner [m.kronlach...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:02 AM
> *To:* Pagano, Patrick
> *Cc:* pd-list
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] gendy~
>
>   Hi!
>
> I guess you are referring to this repo of gendy~:
> https://github.com/ssfrr/gendyflext
>
> I built it for OSX, you can find it here:
> http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/download/gendy~_osx_build.zip
>
> But, as it is done with flext, it would be a good exercise for the
> students to compile it on their own anyway.
>
> Matthias
>
>
> On 9/8/13 5:53 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>
> Hello
>
>  Does anyone have a gendy~ object for Pure Data OSX or WIndows?
>
>  I found Spencers code that i built for linux, but i am hoping someone
> made it for the other platforms
> Been doing some Iannis stuff and was hoping to show it to some students
>
>  Patrick
>
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Re: [PD] PLEASE HELP WITH EQ BUILDING

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

lots of stuff in here https://github.com/dotmmb/mmb


2013/9/23 Mario Mey 

>  Good thread about EQ: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1687.html
>
>
>
> El 22/09/13 15:19, Luca Mani escribió:
>
>  Hello does anybody knows how to build a 3 bands eq with the following
> adjustable parameters: FREQUENCY, GAIN +- and Q?
> Or has a couple of examples to show me please ?
>
>  Thanks
>
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Re: [PD] [change] bug?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

that's the way it works alright.

If your first value sent to it is zero, just initialize it with some other
value as the argument

cheers


2013/9/23 Mario Mey 

> If i create [change] and send it a [0(, it outputs nothing. It seems like
> it has already the 0 value initiated.
>
> I think [change] should not work like this...
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[PD] from poles/zeros to biquad coefficients - how to? (something like max's z-plane)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there. So, I've been studying a lot about filters, and I'm doing this
clone of max's z-plane in Pd.

I hope anyone can help me guide where to find how to convert the values of
the complex poles and zeros to biquad coefficients. I really needed that...

Sorry if I missed it in Miller's book or some other obvious reference, I'm
just really a newbie in filter design.

Thanks
Alex
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[PD] GUI malfunctioning pd extended 0.43 and vanilla 0.45 / bug?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I've been abusing and creating some animations and GUI
functionality from regular vanilla pacthes (without data structures).

This following one (a sinusoid animation) works really well on Pd Extended
0.42.5, but it starts getting "jumpy" on extended 0.43, and even more jumpy
on vanilla 0.45

I'm on am i7 macbook air, OS 10.7.5.

Cheers!

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0;
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-1;
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#X coords 0 1 100 -1 249 101 1;
#X restore 598 238 graph;
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#X connect 2 0 0 0;
#X connect 4 0 32 0;
#X connect 4 0 15 0;
#X connect 4 0 29 0;
#X connect 4 0 55 0;
#X connect 5 0 34 0;
#X connect 5 0 52 0;
#X connect 6 0 4 0;
#X connect 7 0 9 0;
#X connect 7 1 8 0;
#X connect 8 0 9 0;
#X connect 9 0 10 0;
#X connect 11 0 58 0;
#X connect 12 0 61 0;
#X connect 16 0 28 0;
#X connect 19 0 18 0;
#X connect 20 0 19 1;
#X connect 21 0 51 0;
#X connect 22 0 23 0;
#X connect 24 0 25 0;
#X connect 25 0 27 0;
#X connect 27 0 26 0;
#X connect 28 0 5 0;
#X connect 28 1 21 0;
#X connect 28 2 17 0;
#X connect 28 2 22 0;
#X connect 28 2 24 0;
#X connect 29 0 7 0;
#X connect 30 0 31 0;
#X connect 32 0 3 0;
#X connect 32 0 14 0;
#X connect 32 0 42 0;
#X connect 32 0 45 0;
#X connect 32 0 53 0;
#X connect 32 1 44 0;
#X connect 32 1 46 0;
#X connect 33 0 31 0;
#X connect 34 0 35 0;
#X connect 35 0 6 1;
#X connect 36 0 37 0;
#X connect 38 0 36 0;
#X connect 39 0 41 0;
#X connect 41 0 40 0;
#X connect 41 0 43 0;
#X connect 42 0 47 0;
#X connect 44 0 49 0;
#X connect 45 0 50 0;
#X connect 46 0 48 0;
#X connect 47 0 39 1;
#X connect 48 0 39 0;
#X connect 49 0 1 1;
#X connect 50 0 1 0;
#X connect 51 0 19 0;
#X connect 51 1 20 0;
#X connect 51 1 18 0;
#X connect 52 0 4 0;
#X connect 53 0 38 0;
#X connect 54 0 38 1;
#X connect 55 0 54 0;
#X connect 58 0 33 0;
#X connect 58 1 30 0;
#X connect 58 2 59 0;
#X connect 58 2 60 0;
#X connect 59 0 56 0;
#X connect 60 0 57 0;
#X connect 61 0 13 0;
#X restore 1024 461 pd plot;
#X text 331 182 A;
#X text 331 193 M;
#X text 331 206 P;
#X text 331 217 L;
#X text 331 228 I;
#X tex

Re: [PD] is there a way to implement [lop~] with raw filters?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Well, I've tried it now and looks I got it right, check the code below...
can you confirm if I nailed it please?

THANKS
Cheers

#N canvas 425 68 530 262 10;
#X obj 400 126 samplerate~;
#X obj 400 149 v sr_\$0;
#X obj 390 62 loadbang;
#X floatatom 154 74 0 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 157 51 hsl 128 15 0 7000 0 1 empty empty empty -2 -8 0 10 -262144
-1 -1 1600 1;
#X obj 121 159 rpole~;
#X obj 48 178 lop~;
#X obj 121 183 expr~ $v1 * (1 - $f2);
#X obj 154 130 expr 1 - $f1;
#X obj 58 70 noise~;
#X obj 115 215 dac~;
#X msg 410 86 \; pd dsp 1;
#X obj 154 102 expr $f1 * 2*pi_\$0 / sr_\$0;
#X obj 390 171 expr atan(1) * 4;
#X obj 390 192 v pi_\$0;
#X text 90 176 =;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 2 0 0 0;
#X connect 2 0 11 0;
#X connect 2 0 13 0;
#X connect 3 0 6 1;
#X connect 3 0 12 0;
#X connect 4 0 3 0;
#X connect 5 0 7 0;
#X connect 7 0 10 0;
#X connect 7 0 10 1;
#X connect 8 0 7 1;
#X connect 8 0 5 1;
#X connect 9 0 6 0;
#X connect 9 0 5 0;
#X connect 12 0 8 0;
#X connect 13 0 14 0;



2013/9/12 Miller Puckette 

> Theory is in: http://msp.ucsd.edu/techniques/latest/book-html/node140.html
> and an example (actually a shelving filter but give the "rzero" a
> coefficient
> of zero to get a pure low-pass) : H11.shelving.pd
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 04:24:43PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > Hi there, since it says [lop~] is a "one pole" filter, I was wondering if
> > using objects like [rpole~] or [cpole~] could do the job... but I'm not
> > even close to figure out if yes or not and why...
> >
> > anyone?
> >
> > thanks
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[PD] is there a way to implement [lop~] with raw filters?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, since it says [lop~] is a "one pole" filter, I was wondering if
using objects like [rpole~] or [cpole~] could do the job... but I'm not
even close to figure out if yes or not and why...

anyone?

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[PD] max/pd which is the "right" biquad~ ?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

While in the biquad subject, max to pd translating, I learned that the
order and values of coefficients in both don't match... I checked mmb's
patches and I see they match pd's native biquad~, but both don't agree to
max...

Max does suggest a different order of the coefficients in its help file,
but what we see in practice is yet some other order, and also some reversal
in signs (positive/negative) in a couple of terms.

Just wondering, why the hell is that? Anybody?

Can't deal with formulas really well, but I see they're supposed to be the
same... and I take that from mmb's patches, whose formulas are exactly as
depicted in max (although the help from native pd's biquad~ is somewhat
different, but seemingly equivalent mathematically)

cheers

ps. by the way, here's a patch that converts the order of coefficients from
"max to pd"



#N canvas 150 47 214 262 10;
#X obj 32 7 unpack f f f f f;
#X obj 125 31 * -1;
#X obj 101 55 * -1;
#X obj 41 80 pack f f f f f;
#X msg 41 115 \$4 \$5 \$3 \$2 \$1;
#X obj 32 -23 inlet;
#X obj 41 143 outlet;
#X text 69 -24 max;
#X text 87 143 pd;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 0 1 3 1;
#X connect 0 2 3 2;
#X connect 0 3 2 0;
#X connect 0 4 1 0;
#X connect 1 0 3 4;
#X connect 2 0 3 3;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 4 0 6 0;
#X connect 5 0 0 0;
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Re: [PD] filtercoeff~ / filtergraph~ in Pd?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Awesome work, and I see the filterview is based on mike's stuff. Cool.

But I'm not sure how this GUI works, if it's buggy or not, but once I click
in the filterview graph I can't stop controlling it... I was hoping that I
could click to start controlling and then click agan to stop it, but it
doesn't work that way.

Any hints Hans?

cheers


2013/9/1 András Murányi 

>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:
>
>> Mike Moser-Booth has a whole library with abstractions which include
>> [filtercoeff~] and [filtergraph~]. You can get it if you go to Pd's forum (
>> puredata.hurleur.com) and check any post by Maelstrom (he's an
>> administrator there). He's got a link to his library as a post signature.
>>
>
> Maelstorm (sic!)
> the lib is here: https://github.com/dotmmb/mmb
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[PD] filtercoeff~ / filtergraph~ in Pd?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, now that someone gave me a Max license and I'm translating some
patches to Pd, I guess I'm gonna start bugging you guys a lot asking for
equivalent objects in Pd ;)

And here I ask about [filtercoeff~] and [filtergraph~]...

Based on filtergraph~, filtercoef~ calculates filter coefficient for the
biquad~ object from frequency, amp & Q.

They seem to make it really easier and friendlier to use the [biquad~]
object. Maybe this could be worked out as some abstraction, maybe someone
already has. The math just blows me away and I have completely no idea
whatsoever...

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Re: [PD] karplus drum?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

you should update that to pd then :) havent opened csound since the
nineteen hundreds as well

these digital waveguide pd patches are gorgeous, it all sounds beautiful...
to hell with some lousy drums sounds... but in order to digest this, I need
some time now.

cheers


2013/8/31 Ed Kelly 

> Years and years ago (1996) I made a CSound script, with the control rate
> set to the same frequency as the audio rate, and used it to generate FM
> Karplus-Strong. A sine wave modulating a Karplus-Strong string model's
> frequency.
>
> I swept the modulation frequency through the experiment, while generating
> regular impulses to pluck the "string" and there were indeed some quite
> snare-like sounds in the more dissonant carrier/modulator relationships -
> i.e. where the ratios were more like 32:31 than 5:4. The carrier being the
> KS string model and the modulator being the sine wave.
>
> If you're doing everything with vd~ then you can emulate this. I think I
> still have it on one of my hard drives, but I don't know which or where.
> I'll try to dig out the audio tomorrow...(today? for some reason I am awake
> at 6am) and possibly even the CSound orc/sco files !?!?!
>
> Cheers,
> Ed
>
>
> Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from Ninja Tune and
> Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
> http://www.ninjajamm.com/
>
>
> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
> http://sharktracks.co.uk/
>
>   --
>  *From:* Alexandre Torres Porres 
> *To:* Jonathan Wilkes 
> *Cc:* pd-lista puredata 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 August 2013, 5:38
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] karplus drum?
>
> I'm not gonna go through the paper at all anyway, I couldn't and
> shouldn't...
>
> but I've just finished implementing in Pure Data a patch from that Max
> forum... seems to be working, but the "drum" part, as it says, it's only
>
> "modulating the feedback so that it alternates quickly between either
>  +1-1. different frequencies of modulation create different sounds, with
> high frequencies sounding a bit like a snare"
>
> it's true, but I know you could also make some bass drum sounds, as I've
> seen in here https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/aiff/ksdrum.aiff
>
> what interests me, nevertheless, is learning new tricks and tweaking the
> values so they sound more bizarre of course.
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2013/8/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
> here's the original paper by the way
>
> http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus/papers/digitar.pdf
>
>
> 2013/8/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
> Hi. There is a modification to the algorithm that makes it sound more like
> a drum. Here's a topic about it
>
>
> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/karplus-strong-extension-drum-synthesis-algorithm/
>
> gonna try and translate it to Pd, but wondering if anyone has ever done it
> already ;)
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2013/8/30 Jonathan Wilkes 
>
>  On 08/30/2013 05:04 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
> hi there, anyone knows of a drum made of karplus strong implemented in Pd?
>
>
> What kind of drum?  For a snare it's just a matter of choosing a
> low-enough frequency,
> then probably slapping on some reverb and other little touches to make it
> more
> interesting.
>
> I think it's just a matter of starting with a Pd implementation of
> Karplus-Strong and
> tweaking the variables.  And depending on the type of drum, you can get a
> lot of
> variety from tweaking the shape of the decay-- that is, how you attenuate
> the "chunk"
> of noise before you feed it back in.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>  thanks
>
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Re: [PD] karplus drum?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I'm not gonna go through the paper at all anyway, I couldn't and
shouldn't...

but I've just finished implementing in Pure Data a patch from that Max
forum... seems to be working, but the "drum" part, as it says, it's only

"modulating the feedback so that it alternates quickly between either
 +1-1. different frequencies of modulation create different sounds, with
high frequencies sounding a bit like a snare"

it's true, but I know you could also make some bass drum sounds, as I've
seen in here https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/aiff/ksdrum.aiff

what interests me, nevertheless, is learning new tricks and tweaking the
values so they sound more bizarre of course.

cheers


2013/8/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> here's the original paper by the way
>
> http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus/papers/digitar.pdf
>
>
> 2013/8/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
>> Hi. There is a modification to the algorithm that makes it sound more
>> like a drum. Here's a topic about it
>>
>>
>> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/karplus-strong-extension-drum-synthesis-algorithm/
>>
>> gonna try and translate it to Pd, but wondering if anyone has ever done
>> it already ;)
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> 2013/8/30 Jonathan Wilkes 
>>
>>>  On 08/30/2013 05:04 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>
>>> hi there, anyone knows of a drum made of karplus strong implemented in
>>> Pd?
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of drum?  For a snare it's just a matter of choosing a
>>> low-enough frequency,
>>> then probably slapping on some reverb and other little touches to make
>>> it more
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>> I think it's just a matter of starting with a Pd implementation of
>>> Karplus-Strong and
>>> tweaking the variables.  And depending on the type of drum, you can get
>>> a lot of
>>> variety from tweaking the shape of the decay-- that is, how you
>>> attenuate the "chunk"
>>> of noise before you feed it back in.
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>  thanks
>>>
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Re: [PD] karplus drum?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

here's the original paper by the way

http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus/papers/digitar.pdf


2013/8/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> Hi. There is a modification to the algorithm that makes it sound more like
> a drum. Here's a topic about it
>
>
> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/karplus-strong-extension-drum-synthesis-algorithm/
>
> gonna try and translate it to Pd, but wondering if anyone has ever done it
> already ;)
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2013/8/30 Jonathan Wilkes 
>
>>  On 08/30/2013 05:04 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>
>> hi there, anyone knows of a drum made of karplus strong implemented in Pd?
>>
>>
>> What kind of drum?  For a snare it's just a matter of choosing a
>> low-enough frequency,
>> then probably slapping on some reverb and other little touches to make it
>> more
>> interesting.
>>
>> I think it's just a matter of starting with a Pd implementation of
>> Karplus-Strong and
>> tweaking the variables.  And depending on the type of drum, you can get a
>> lot of
>> variety from tweaking the shape of the decay-- that is, how you attenuate
>> the "chunk"
>> of noise before you feed it back in.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>>
>>
>>  thanks
>>
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Re: [PD] karplus drum?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi. There is a modification to the algorithm that makes it sound more like
a drum. Here's a topic about it

http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/karplus-strong-extension-drum-synthesis-algorithm/

gonna try and translate it to Pd, but wondering if anyone has ever done it
already ;)

cheers


2013/8/30 Jonathan Wilkes 

>  On 08/30/2013 05:04 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
> hi there, anyone knows of a drum made of karplus strong implemented in Pd?
>
>
> What kind of drum?  For a snare it's just a matter of choosing a
> low-enough frequency,
> then probably slapping on some reverb and other little touches to make it
> more
> interesting.
>
> I think it's just a matter of starting with a Pd implementation of
> Karplus-Strong and
> tweaking the variables.  And depending on the type of drum, you can get a
> lot of
> variety from tweaking the shape of the decay-- that is, how you attenuate
> the "chunk"
> of noise before you feed it back in.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>  thanks
>
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[PD] karplus drum?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, anyone knows of a drum made of karplus strong implemented in Pd?

thanks
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

anyone else having GUI trouble seeing sliders and number boxes move/change
values?

i'm on mac os 10.7.5

cheers


2013/8/23 Miller Puckette 

> Hi all,
>
> Pd version 0.45-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
> or via git from sourceforge:
>   git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/pure-data/pure-data
>   cd pure-data
>   git checkout -b 0.45
>
> As always I'm sure there will be problems here and there - you're welcome
> to report them on the Pd mailing list (pd-list@iem.at) which is always the
> fastest way to get me to see them.
>
> cheers
> Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> Objects/messages/comments have settable box widths.

hi there, please, how can I use this new feature? I didn't get it.
cheers

2013/8/23 Miller Puckette 

> Hi all,
>
> Pd version 0.45-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
> or via git from sourceforge:
>   git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/pure-data/pure-data
>   cd pure-data
>   git checkout -b 0.45
>
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> to report them on the Pd mailing list (pd-list@iem.at) which is always the
> fastest way to get me to see them.
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45 test release

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, looks like awesome updates!!!

how is the max version of pd~ coming up by the way?

cheers


2013/8/18, Miller Puckette :
> OK .. this and Jaime's other report (x labels not updating when resize
> table
> using [array size] should now be fixed in git (to appear in 'test 2 later -
> first I want to look at ASIO some more)
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 08:47:34PM +0100, João Pais wrote:
>> >When testing the text and data structures example, when clicking on the
>> > "0" message, Pd freezes in OSX 10.7.5.
>>
>> same in W7
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[PD] order of audio connections (BUG???)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I was making some tests and saw that the order that you make
audio connections or create tilde~ objects make a difference, and this
affects when we're using [s~] / [r~].

The idea I had is that no matter what was going on, the sends and receives
would ALWAYS be in sync with the audio conenction cords, meaning there
would be no delay whatsoever. But that's not true, so I suspect this is
some sort of a bug that should be noted.

check the following patches, they are the same, but one is "ok" (where the
audio is cancelled) and the other "not ok" (where it isn't). The only
difference is the order that the objects were created and connected.

I, for one, would like to live in a Pd world where it'd always be "ok" no
matter what... cause if we have these delays, it ends up being really bad,
right?

what about you people? And is this too hard to "fix"?

cheers

The patches:
*
*
*"OK"*
#N canvas 223 59 450 300 10;
#X obj 99 162 -~;
#X obj 90 198 dac~;
#X obj 242 85 loadbang;
#X msg 242 114 \; pd dsp 1;
#X obj 114 111 s~ \$0-osc;
#X obj 114 133 r~ \$0-osc;
#X obj 99 73 osc~ 440;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 0 0 1 1;
#X connect 2 0 3 0;
#X connect 5 0 0 1;
#X connect 6 0 0 0;
#X connect 6 0 4 0;

*"NOT OK"*
#N canvas 223 59 450 300 10;
#X obj 99 73 osc~ 440;
#X obj 99 162 -~;
#X obj 90 198 dac~;
#X obj 242 85 loadbang;
#X msg 242 114 \; pd dsp 1;
#X obj 114 111 s~ \$0-osc;
#X obj 114 133 r~ \$0-osc;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 0 0 5 0;
#X connect 1 0 2 0;
#X connect 1 0 2 1;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 6 0 1 1;
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Re: [PD] Dust equivalent to Pd

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I meant like an external, but just curious, cause it could be cool to have
one. But I dont really mind doing like this. Thanks


2013/7/18 IOhannes m zmoelnig 

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 2013-07-18 09:03, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> >
> > So I needed some sort of random [metro]
> >
>
>
> | ++
> [metro]|
> |  |
> [t b b]|
> | ||
>   [random 500] |
>   ||
>   [+ 750]  |
>   ||
>   ++
>
>
> mfgasdr
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[PD] Dust equivalent to Pd

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, started using Super Collider recently and been trying to
implement some of its stuff in Pd.

they have this random impulse generator, and they use impulse as sort of
"bangs". So they're like metros.

Impulse.kr(1) is like [metro 1000]

Now Dust.kr(1) generates the impulses randomly, but they have a mean
average of once a second.

So I needed some sort of random [metro]

any ideas?

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Re: [PD] phasor~: change freq on wraparound

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I guess [loop~] doesn't solve what Orm wants, because it automatically
changes the frequency and also complains about a dsp loop if you try to
solve it with [samphold~]

cheers

2013/7/4 Miller Puckette 

> that's the loop~ object in extra.
>
> cheers
> Miller
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 09:20:27PM +0200, Orm Finnendahl wrote:
> > Hi List,
> >
> >  sorry if I'm missing the obvious: I'd like to implement a phasor~,
> > which only allows its frequency to be changed on wraparound. Using a
> > samphold~ for that purpose connected to the outlet and inlet of the
> > phasor~ doesn't work as this creates a dsp loop.
> >
> > I prefer a pd vanilla solution (I know how to implement it as an
> > external, but for portability I'd like to get it done without).
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Yours,
> > Orm
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, as I said, had no pen drive to test shumamis as they pointed,
then I burned several discs (not only shumamis distro) and none would boot.

but as it turns out, my SD card on a USB adaptor works as a pen drive, so I
tried burning it as required and IT WORKED...

It booted, and went into a Live CD action right from the SD-USB to my
Macbook air.

I am actually writing this email from Shumamis.

Thanks!!!

trackpad seems to respond weird, keyboard not configured right, but other
than that, it fucking works!

Got excited...

will try to sort the booting system correctly as you pointed. That sounded
a bit complicated, but for the best.

Seems I will finally try out Live Electronics Performance from Pd in Linux,
haha

Cheers

2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 

> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances you
> will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency kernel.
>
> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in portuguese.
> You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with qtractor  DAW and
> Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
> http://shumamisll.tumblr.com/
>
> This distro is a remaster of a DreamStudio:
> http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio/
>
> If you don't like Unity windows manager, you can use KXstudio:
> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
>
> All these distros use KXStudio repositories, and have low-latency kernels
> preconfigured.
> If you need a realtime kernel, you can install easily. All these 3 distros
> are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based.
>
> With Jack, at now, I don't have problems using Shumamis Linux Light.
>
> Regards
>
>
> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
>> > One very big advantage on Linux is
>> > the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack
>>
>> I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more powerful
>> than soundflower...
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 
>>
>>> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in
>>>> Linux than in any other OS, is that right?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine and
>>>> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't comment extensively on that. I use Pd on Linux, used it on windows
>>> and once on OSX.
>>>
>>> One very big advantage on Linux is the possibility to run Pd with
>>> hassle-free jack, in turn easy multichannel.
>>> Not only - jack means you can directly record into a DAW (e.g. Ardour),
>>> again with multiple 'virtual' channels if you want.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak
>>>> in a little more to have insanely low latencies?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
>>>> optimized latency and CPU load.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure about insane values, but I'm happy with debian now. Although I
>>> do very little live stuff these days. I think Pd-extended development is
>>> mostly done on debian, but I may be wrong on that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
>>>> opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.
>>>>
>>>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next
>>>> to an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>>>> distribution in it.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least)
>>>> with Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on
>>>> linux. Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is
>>>> that my thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool,
>>>> to run it on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't comment on those.
>>>
>>> Lorenzo.
>>>
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> pd (and all other audio processing) without jack is no go for me.

ok, since I'm completely unaware of anything, can you tell me more about
the dependency of audio to jack in linux? And can't jack be installed in
any distro anyway?

thanks

2013/5/31 Gerhard Lang 

> I'm on ubuntustudio 13.04 and kxstudio 12.04.1, 64bit. But only pd-l20rk
> runs to my satisfaction. All other pd variants make troubles with toggling
> dsp here on different  stationary machines and laptops. pd (and all other
> audio processing) without jack is no go for me.
>
> Am 30.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres:
>
>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in Linux
>> than in any other OS, is that right?
>>
>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine and
>> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>>
>> Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak
>> in a little more to have insanely low latencies?
>>
>> Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
>> optimized latency and CPU load.
>>
>> Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
>> opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.
>>
>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next to
>> an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>> distribution in it.
>>
>> I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least)
>> with Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on
>> linux. Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is that
>> my thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool, to run
>> it on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cheers
>>
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Nice, just so we're all on the same page, the thing Esteban mentioned about
"any RT ready distro works" makes sense, right?

I can forget about the idea someone gave that the more hard to install and
configure something, the better (like slackware). So something like Ubuntu
Studio does the trick as well as anything else, right?

So, besides what you mentioned, is there any other option to chose from?

Here's what I got:

- Ubuntu Studio

And three that are based on Ubuntu Studio, or Ubuntu...

- KXstudio
- Shumamis Linux Light
- DreamStudio

Anything else?

And what happened to Puredyne? Was it killed? Page is offline...


So all I need to do is work the booting crap out and have fun... cool. Will
do.

thanks


2013/5/31 Pedro Lopes 

> Mine is a MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid 2012)
>
> I run Ubuntu (last stable) and all drivers work. Including wifi and the
> likes. Touchpad needs additional tweeking though and have not yet had the
> time for that.
>
> I need macosx to lecture at the university and I ran pd there without any
> issues, trough jack (I basically have replicated setups on both linux and
> mac).
>
> best,
> pedro
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>> cool you're coming!
>>
>> by the way, mine is a macbook air, mid 2011
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> 2013/5/31 Esteban Viveros 
>>
>>> Ok.. Ubuntu have optimized images for mac (
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/)
>>>
>>> I can't do a specific ubuntu prepared for you because I don't have a mac
>>> to run this Ubuntu and do all the test.
>>>
>>> If you don't have any solution, I'm going to SP in more 3 weeks, contact
>>> me and we can try something together..
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/31 Esteban Viveros 
>>>
>>>> Hum... :/
>>>>
>>>> Ok... Waiting for another suggestion I'm find some new information.
>>>>
>>>> All the three distros I suggest are based in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS... Seems
>>>> some macbook pro models Ubuntu 12.04 don't work.
>>>>
>>>> First check this list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
>>>>
>>>> If it's possible, you can try this tutorial:
>>>> http://randomtutor.blogspot.com.br/2013/02/installing-ubuntu-1304-on-retina.html
>>>>
>>>> Seems more easy and direct than the last link information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>
>>>>> > it says "no bootable device - press any key"
>>>>>
>>>>> KXstudio & DreamStudio also burnt to CD/DVD and had the same issue.
>>>>> Whatever I have to do will work for them all I guess. Maybe that thing for
>>>>> dealing with the booting stuff on a mac that looks kind of a drag.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/5/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>>
>>>>>> hmm, no luck
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, the instructions don't cover macs, and only talk about a
>>>>>> installation from a pen drive with a windows software (it's ok, I got
>>>>>> parallels, but I don't have a big enough pen drive). I tried using the
>>>>>> software to burn the image into a partition from an external hard drive,
>>>>>> but the windows software gave me a warning it wouldn't boot, and in fact 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> didn't. Next, tried burning the image to a DVD in an external Drive and
>>>>>> boot from it... No deal. It even shows as an option to boot (although the
>>>>>> DVD is as "windows"), but when you click it, it says "no bootable device 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> press any key"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems hard, I was hoping not to have to buy a pen drive just for
>>>>>> it. Maybe some other distribution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't test Shumamis in Mac.. Please give me a feedback! ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

cool you're coming!

by the way, mine is a macbook air, mid 2011

cheers

2013/5/31 Esteban Viveros 

> Ok.. Ubuntu have optimized images for mac (
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/)
>
> I can't do a specific ubuntu prepared for you because I don't have a mac
> to run this Ubuntu and do all the test.
>
> If you don't have any solution, I'm going to SP in more 3 weeks, contact
> me and we can try something together..
>
>
> 2013/5/31 Esteban Viveros 
>
>> Hum... :/
>>
>> Ok... Waiting for another suggestion I'm find some new information.
>>
>> All the three distros I suggest are based in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS... Seems
>> some macbook pro models Ubuntu 12.04 don't work.
>>
>> First check this list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
>>
>> If it's possible, you can try this tutorial:
>> http://randomtutor.blogspot.com.br/2013/02/installing-ubuntu-1304-on-retina.html
>>
>> Seems more easy and direct than the last link information.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>
>>> > it says "no bootable device - press any key"
>>>
>>> KXstudio & DreamStudio also burnt to CD/DVD and had the same issue.
>>> Whatever I have to do will work for them all I guess. Maybe that thing for
>>> dealing with the booting stuff on a mac that looks kind of a drag.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>
>>>> hmm, no luck
>>>>
>>>> well, the instructions don't cover macs, and only talk about a
>>>> installation from a pen drive with a windows software (it's ok, I got
>>>> parallels, but I don't have a big enough pen drive). I tried using the
>>>> software to burn the image into a partition from an external hard drive,
>>>> but the windows software gave me a warning it wouldn't boot, and in fact it
>>>> didn't. Next, tried burning the image to a DVD in an external Drive and
>>>> boot from it... No deal. It even shows as an option to boot (although the
>>>> DVD is as "windows"), but when you click it, it says "no bootable device -
>>>> press any key"
>>>>
>>>> This seems hard, I was hoping not to have to buy a pen drive just for
>>>> it. Maybe some other distribution?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>
>>>>> I don't test Shumamis in Mac.. Please give me a feedback! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry... Reply all...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok.. Shumamis don't have Ardour pre installed, I use it in music and
>>>>>> tecnology workshops I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To install ardour:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Press Ctrl+Alt+T  , it will open terminal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) run in terminal: sudo apt-get install ardour3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) it is!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cool, so it seems I dont need to bother with "hardcore configuring"
>>>>>>> using a "not so easy one" like slackware? I'll give this Shumamis a try,
>>>>>>> but I don't see ardour there though. Did you install this on a mac? I'm
>>>>>>> downloading the 64 bit version. I got a previous generation macbook air.
>>>>>>> Dual core i7 1.8GHz. 4GB Ram
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances
>>>>>>>>> you will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency
>>>>>>>>> kernel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in
>>>>>>>>> portuguese. You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with
>>>>>>>>> qtractor  DAW and Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
>>>>

Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> it says "no bootable device - press any key"

KXstudio & DreamStudio also burnt to CD/DVD and had the same issue.
Whatever I have to do will work for them all I guess. Maybe that thing for
dealing with the booting stuff on a mac that looks kind of a drag.

thanks

2013/5/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> hmm, no luck
>
> well, the instructions don't cover macs, and only talk about a
> installation from a pen drive with a windows software (it's ok, I got
> parallels, but I don't have a big enough pen drive). I tried using the
> software to burn the image into a partition from an external hard drive,
> but the windows software gave me a warning it wouldn't boot, and in fact it
> didn't. Next, tried burning the image to a DVD in an external Drive and
> boot from it... No deal. It even shows as an option to boot (although the
> DVD is as "windows"), but when you click it, it says "no bootable device -
> press any key"
>
> This seems hard, I was hoping not to have to buy a pen drive just for it.
> Maybe some other distribution?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>
>> I don't test Shumamis in Mac.. Please give me a feedback! ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>
>>> Sorry... Reply all...
>>>
>>> Ok.. Shumamis don't have Ardour pre installed, I use it in music and
>>> tecnology workshops I do.
>>>
>>> To install ardour:
>>>
>>> 1) Press Ctrl+Alt+T  , it will open terminal.
>>>
>>> 2) run in terminal: sudo apt-get install ardour3
>>>
>>> 3) it is!
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>
>>>> cool, so it seems I dont need to bother with "hardcore configuring"
>>>> using a "not so easy one" like slackware? I'll give this Shumamis a try,
>>>> but I don't see ardour there though. Did you install this on a mac? I'm
>>>> downloading the 64 bit version. I got a previous generation macbook air.
>>>> Dual core i7 1.8GHz. 4GB Ram
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances
>>>>>> you will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency
>>>>>> kernel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in
>>>>>> portuguese. You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with
>>>>>> qtractor  DAW and Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
>>>>>> http://shumamisll.tumblr.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This distro is a remaster of a DreamStudio:
>>>>>> http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't like Unity windows manager, you can use KXstudio:
>>>>>> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All these distros use KXStudio repositories, and have low-latency
>>>>>> kernels preconfigured.
>>>>>> If you need a realtime kernel, you can install easily. All these 3
>>>>>> distros are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Jack, at now, I don't have problems using Shumamis Linux Light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > One very big advantage on Linux is
>>>>>>> > the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more
>>>>>>> powerful than soundflower...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in
>>>>>>>>> Linux than in any other OS, is that right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same
>>>>>>>>> machine and
>>>&

Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> Looking for dual booting in Macs I found that:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/index.html

wow, that seems much harder than I expected from a "ready to go"
installation like Ubuntu. It seems that the pain in the ass is all over for
getting linux into a Mac. Lots of issues that dont seem to be there on a PC.

Or maybe not that much development/support yet to help mac users into
Linux... but I dount so, as I see people using linux on a mac all the time.
What's the trick?

I like when you say "any kernel tuned for realtime should work". That makes
sense and gave me hope to work it out easily, as i think there might be
many choices out there.

Things were much easier on the Pi :) just burn the installed image to the
drive. I bet that'd be possible for closed systems such as Mac computers,
right? Maybe some day...

cheers


2013/5/31 Esteban Viveros 

> Looking for dual booting in Macs I found that:
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/index.html
>
> Maybe if you have problems with wireless:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2011756
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>
>> To install pd-extended, you need run the command: sudo apt-get install
>> pd-extended
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>
>>> I don't test Shumamis in Mac.. Please give me a feedback! ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>
>>>> Sorry... Reply all...
>>>>
>>>> Ok.. Shumamis don't have Ardour pre installed, I use it in music and
>>>> tecnology workshops I do.
>>>>
>>>> To install ardour:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Press Ctrl+Alt+T  , it will open terminal.
>>>>
>>>> 2) run in terminal: sudo apt-get install ardour3
>>>>
>>>> 3) it is!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>
>>>>> cool, so it seems I dont need to bother with "hardcore configuring"
>>>>> using a "not so easy one" like slackware? I'll give this Shumamis a try,
>>>>> but I don't see ardour there though. Did you install this on a mac? I'm
>>>>> downloading the 64 bit version. I got a previous generation macbook air.
>>>>> Dual core i7 1.8GHz. 4GB Ram
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances
>>>>>>> you will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency
>>>>>>> kernel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in
>>>>>>> portuguese. You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with
>>>>>>> qtractor  DAW and Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
>>>>>>> http://shumamisll.tumblr.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This distro is a remaster of a DreamStudio:
>>>>>>> http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't like Unity windows manager, you can use KXstudio:
>>>>>>> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All these distros use KXStudio repositories, and have low-latency
>>>>>>> kernels preconfigured.
>>>>>>> If you need a realtime kernel, you can install easily. All these 3
>>>>>>> distros are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With Jack, at now, I don't have problems using Shumamis Linux Light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > One very big advantage on Linux is
>>>>>>>> > the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more
>>>>>>>> powerful than soundflower...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
&

Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hmm, no luck

well, the instructions don't cover macs, and only talk about a installation
from a pen drive with a windows software (it's ok, I got parallels, but I
don't have a big enough pen drive). I tried using the software to burn the
image into a partition from an external hard drive, but the windows
software gave me a warning it wouldn't boot, and in fact it didn't. Next,
tried burning the image to a DVD in an external Drive and boot from it...
No deal. It even shows as an option to boot (although the DVD is as
"windows"), but when you click it, it says "no bootable device - press any
key"

This seems hard, I was hoping not to have to buy a pen drive just for it.
Maybe some other distribution?

Thanks

2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 

> I don't test Shumamis in Mac.. Please give me a feedback! ;)
>
>
>
>
> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>
>> Sorry... Reply all...
>>
>> Ok.. Shumamis don't have Ardour pre installed, I use it in music and
>> tecnology workshops I do.
>>
>> To install ardour:
>>
>> 1) Press Ctrl+Alt+T  , it will open terminal.
>>
>> 2) run in terminal: sudo apt-get install ardour3
>>
>> 3) it is!
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>
>>> cool, so it seems I dont need to bother with "hardcore configuring"
>>> using a "not so easy one" like slackware? I'll give this Shumamis a try,
>>> but I don't see ardour there though. Did you install this on a mac? I'm
>>> downloading the 64 bit version. I got a previous generation macbook air.
>>> Dual core i7 1.8GHz. 4GB Ram
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> 2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances you
>>>>> will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency kernel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in
>>>>> portuguese. You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with
>>>>> qtractor  DAW and Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
>>>>> http://shumamisll.tumblr.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> This distro is a remaster of a DreamStudio:
>>>>> http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio/
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like Unity windows manager, you can use KXstudio:
>>>>> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> All these distros use KXStudio repositories, and have low-latency
>>>>> kernels preconfigured.
>>>>> If you need a realtime kernel, you can install easily. All these 3
>>>>> distros are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based.
>>>>>
>>>>> With Jack, at now, I don't have problems using Shumamis Linux Light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>>>>
>>>>>> > One very big advantage on Linux is
>>>>>> > the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more
>>>>>> powerful than soundflower...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in
>>>>>>>> Linux than in any other OS, is that right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same
>>>>>>>> machine and
>>>>>>>> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't comment extensively on that. I use Pd on Linux, used it on
>>>>>>> windows and once on OSX.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One very big advantage on Linux is the possibility to run Pd with
>>>>>>> hassle-free jack, in turn easy multichannel.
>>>>>>> Not only - jack means you can directly record into a DAW (e.g.
>>>>>>> Ardour), again with multiple 'virtual' channels if you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

cool, so it seems I dont need to bother with "hardcore configuring" using a
"not so easy one" like slackware? I'll give this Shumamis a try, but I
don't see ardour there though. Did you install this on a mac? I'm
downloading the 64 bit version. I got a previous generation macbook air.
Dual core i7 1.8GHz. 4GB Ram

cheers

2013/5/30 Esteban Viveros 
>
>> Maybe I can be wrong, but to work with pd in realtime performances you
>> will need a kernel patched with rt features. At least low-latency kernel.
>>
>> I'm start to do a little distro (Ubuntu 12.04.2 based) it in portuguese.
>> You can try it. Shumamis Linux Light have included with qtractor  DAW and
>> Ardour 3 is very easy to install.
>> http://shumamisll.tumblr.com/
>>
>> This distro is a remaster of a DreamStudio:
>> http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio/
>>
>> If you don't like Unity windows manager, you can use KXstudio:
>> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> All these distros use KXStudio repositories, and have low-latency kernels
>> preconfigured.
>> If you need a realtime kernel, you can install easily. All these 3
>> distros are Ubuntu 12.04 LTS based.
>>
>> With Jack, at now, I don't have problems using Shumamis Linux Light.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>
>>> > One very big advantage on Linux is
>>> > the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack
>>>
>>> I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more powerful
>>> than soundflower...
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 
>>>
>>>> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in
>>>>> Linux than in any other OS, is that right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine
>>>>> and
>>>>> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't comment extensively on that. I use Pd on Linux, used it on
>>>> windows and once on OSX.
>>>>
>>>> One very big advantage on Linux is the possibility to run Pd with
>>>> hassle-free jack, in turn easy multichannel.
>>>> Not only - jack means you can directly record into a DAW (e.g. Ardour),
>>>> again with multiple 'virtual' channels if you want.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak
>>>>> in a little more to have insanely low latencies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
>>>>> optimized latency and CPU load.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure about insane values, but I'm happy with debian now. Although I
>>>> do very little live stuff these days. I think Pd-extended development is
>>>> mostly done on debian, but I may be wrong on that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
>>>>> opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next
>>>>> to an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>>>>> distribution in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least)
>>>>> with Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on
>>>>> linux. Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is
>>>>> that my thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be
>>>>> cool,
>>>>> to run it on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't comment on those.
>>>>
>>>> Lorenzo.
>>>>
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> One very big advantage on Linux is
> the possibility to run Pd with hassle-free jack

I'm ok with soundflower for that matter, although jack is more powerful
than soundflower...

thanks

2013/5/30 Lorenzo Sutton 

> On 30/05/13 22:43, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
>> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in
>> Linux than in any other OS, is that right?
>>
>> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine and
>> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>>
>
> Can't comment extensively on that. I use Pd on Linux, used it on windows
> and once on OSX.
>
> One very big advantage on Linux is the possibility to run Pd with
> hassle-free jack, in turn easy multichannel.
> Not only - jack means you can directly record into a DAW (e.g. Ardour),
> again with multiple 'virtual' channels if you want.
>
>
>> Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak
>> in a little more to have insanely low latencies?
>>
>> Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
>> optimized latency and CPU load.
>>
>
> Not sure about insane values, but I'm happy with debian now. Although I do
> very little live stuff these days. I think Pd-extended development is
> mostly done on debian, but I may be wrong on that.
>
>
>
>> Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
>> opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.
>>
>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next
>> to an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>> distribution in it.
>>
>> I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least)
>> with Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on
>> linux. Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is
>> that my thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool,
>> to run it on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
>>
>
> Can't comment on those.
>
> Lorenzo.
>
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

sure, I know, that's actually one of the reasons, since it seems Pd's
performance is better on it, right? But not sure on what terms yet. Can you
say more how it saves CPU load and decreases latency issues?

2013/5/30 Ivica Bukvic 

> FWIW pd-l2ork is currently linux only.
> On May 30, 2013 5:49 PM, "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> wrote:
>
>> >  If you don't need cutting edge software and kernels
>>
>> I just need Pd :-)
>>
>> And maybe some audio software (DAW) running free plugins to interact with
>> the noise coming from Pd.
>>
>> 2013/5/30 Charles Z Henry 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>>> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next
>>>> to an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>>>> distribution in it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm interested in other people's responses here too.  I'm a debian fan,
>>> but also I'm not a hardcore developer.  Probably, it doesn't matter which
>>> distro to choose--all of them can be optimized (but you should at least
>>> have one with a new-ish 3.x series kernel at this time).  If you don't need
>>> cutting edge software and kernels, stay away from Fedora and Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> As for Mac hardware, the biggest pain in the ass is the broadcom wifi
>>> drivers.  Get things set up and installed with an ethernet cable plugged
>>> in, before you try to set up the wifi.  You need to download a lot of
>>> things first.  The wifi firmware needs to get extracted from the
>>> proprietary drivers... and the kernel modules need to be rebuilt every time
>>> you update the kernel.  Watch out.
>>>
>>
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

>  If you don't need cutting edge software and kernels

I just need Pd :-)

And maybe some audio software (DAW) running free plugins to interact with
the noise coming from Pd.

2013/5/30 Charles Z Henry 

>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  > wrote:
>
>>
>> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next to
>> an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
>> distribution in it.
>>
>
> I'm interested in other people's responses here too.  I'm a debian fan,
> but also I'm not a hardcore developer.  Probably, it doesn't matter which
> distro to choose--all of them can be optimized (but you should at least
> have one with a new-ish 3.x series kernel at this time).  If you don't need
> cutting edge software and kernels, stay away from Fedora and Ubuntu.
>
> As for Mac hardware, the biggest pain in the ass is the broadcom wifi
> drivers.  Get things set up and installed with an ethernet cable plugged
> in, before you try to set up the wifi.  You need to download a lot of
> things first.  The wifi firmware needs to get extracted from the
> proprietary drivers... and the kernel modules need to be rebuilt every time
> you update the kernel.  Watch out.
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Re: [PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

By the way, someone gave me the idea that slackware is the top hardcore
one... ("best"?). Meaning you can teak it and get the best perfomrance
results. Though I fear it can be a nightmare to run it on a mac...

cheers

2013/5/30 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in Linux
> than in any other OS, is that right?
>
> Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine and
> diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.
>
> Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak in
> a little more to have insanely low latencies?
>
> Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
> optimized latency and CPU load.
>
> Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
> opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.
>
> I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next to
> an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
> distribution in it.
>
> I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least) with
> Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on linux.
> Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is that my
> thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool, to run it
> on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
>
> Thanks
> Cheers
>
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[PD] linux best for pd? / "best linux" for Pd? / On a Mac?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Pd runs smoother in Linux
than in any other OS, is that right?

Perhaps some of you have run benchmarks for it with the same machine and
diferente Operational Systems. I was curious to try myself.

Now, is there a "best linux" for Pd? Maybe one that allows you to tweak in
a little more to have insanely low latencies?

Yeah, the whole point and interest is to try and reach an absurdly
optimized latency and CPU load.

Now that I got myself a Raspberry Pi (my first linux) I wanna enjoy the
opportunity/motivation to broaden my linux usage to my regular laptops.

I use macs by the way. Don't know if that is an issue. Like being next to
an impossible task to install a nice hardcore ("the best one") linux
distribution in it.

I've seen that recently Linux has been able to work (poorly at least) with
Thunderbolt. I have an RME Multiface that seems to works well on linux.
Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is that my
thunderbolt to PCI slot  adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool, to run it
on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.

Thanks
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Re: [PD] [helmholtz~]

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

dont know if I got how it works, but anyway, can you share the less hungry
one? thanks

2013/5/25 Simon Iten 

> but don't use it! the osc2 part is really cpu hungry in this form. i did a
> rewrite which is much easier and works better. however as said before the
> frequency-extraction is the same.
> On May 25, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Simon Iten  wrote:
>
> here is an old version. the interesting part is in the synth subpatch on
> the lower left side. it's messy but you get the idea. it's for a five
> string bass tuned e a d g c. the new version is on another laptop, but the
> frequency conversion is the same. it's a straight copy from the gr-300
> principle.
>
> cheers, simon
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> sounds interesting, where is it?
> cheers
>
> 2013/2/14 Simon Iten 
>
>> hi phil,
>>
>> what are you trying to do? do you need midi from your electric bass? or
>> just a way to make a synth in pd?
>> i ask because i built a gr-300 emulation for bass that works very well
>> and with almost no latency. you can drive any oscillator within pd from
>> that. it's all signalpath though.
>> ideally you would use such a thing with a hexaphonic (or quadraphonic)
>> pickup, because it's monophonic. but the same is true for helmholtz i guess.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> simon
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Phil Stone  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Katja,
>> >
>> > I'm looking with great interest at your [helmholtz~] pitch tracking
>> object. I'm not asking to be lazy (I'm going to try it out for myself!),
>> but I'm wondering if you have any general impressions of its performance as
>> to how it compares with [sigmund~]. I'm particularly interested as to how
>> it will do for tracking a fretless electric bass.
>> >
>> > It looks like an excellent piece of work, and I've enjoyed reading your
>> detailed page about it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Phil Stone
>> >
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Re: [PD] [helmholtz~]

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

sounds interesting, where is it?
cheers

2013/2/14 Simon Iten 

> hi phil,
>
> what are you trying to do? do you need midi from your electric bass? or
> just a way to make a synth in pd?
> i ask because i built a gr-300 emulation for bass that works very well and
> with almost no latency. you can drive any oscillator within pd from that.
> it's all signalpath though.
> ideally you would use such a thing with a hexaphonic (or quadraphonic)
> pickup, because it's monophonic. but the same is true for helmholtz i guess.
>
> cheers,
>
> simon
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Phil Stone  wrote:
>
> > Hi Katja,
> >
> > I'm looking with great interest at your [helmholtz~] pitch tracking
> object. I'm not asking to be lazy (I'm going to try it out for myself!),
> but I'm wondering if you have any general impressions of its performance as
> to how it compares with [sigmund~]. I'm particularly interested as to how
> it will do for tracking a fretless electric bass.
> >
> > It looks like an excellent piece of work, and I've enjoyed reading your
> detailed page about it.
> >
> >
> > Phil Stone
> >
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Re: [PD] first exercise with data structures

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I see, limited, buggy, hard learning curve and no easy step by step
tutorial included for beginners...

Not to mention it has been hardly used by the vast majority of users.

I'd like to know of any tutorials or good examples out there.

I've just started tweaking with it to see if I finally learn it, but it's
crashing a lot!!! I'm just changing arguments in the struct object and it
crashes... I clicl on GOP box and it crashes... things like that.

Also, it seems completely incomprehensible how to use them for display in a
GOP subpatch or abstraction. I wonder how the hell can someone manage to do
that and why is it so different than anything else on Pd?

I mean, if you check GOP, the data structuresI displayed just increase
insanely in size, and in João's belzier patches, they are completely out of
the red graph boundaries.

I'm pending to nevermind about getting myself involved with it indeed. But
any guiding help is appreciated ;)

cheers

2013/5/25 Jonathan Wilkes 

>
>  ----------
>  *From:* Alexandre Torres Porres 
> *To:* Jonathan Wilkes 
> *Cc:* Roman Haefeli ; pd-list 
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] first exercise with data structures
>
> >> They are _extremely_ limited with the current implementation.
>
> >what do you mean by that?
>
> * big resource hog-- you'll get dropouts with drawing instructions
> or animations of any complexity
> * you must choose between using $0 in struct name (for locality) or
> having flexible approach where you can save/retrieve state.  (Unlike
> a "Put" menu array where you can get both)
> * no option to _not_ save ds state with the patch (Unlike a "Put" menu
> array)
> * buffer overflow when reading state from file
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1469910&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> * cannot easily set hotspot for mouse manipulation
> * hotspot bug
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2457992&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> * flickering animation with arrays and/or lots of scalars on screen
> * crashes with nested arrays when changing struct args
> * many other problems
>
> Usable for making a static score/diagram that will not be encapsulated
> inside an
> abstraction, and for array manipulations that don't require any drawing
> instructions.
> So _extremely_ limited.
>
> -Jonathan
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Re: [PD] first exercise with data structures

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> They are _extremely_ limited with the current implementation.

what do you mean by that?

cheers

2013/5/24 Jonathan Wilkes 

> Here's a quickly made approach that uses quanta syntax and checks
> for mouse manipulations from the outlet of [struct].
>
> I wouldn't recommend spending too much time learning data structures.
> They are _extremely_ limited with the current implementation.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Roman Haefeli 
> To: pd-list 
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:15 PM
> Subject: [PD] first exercise with data structures
>
> Hi all
>
> Finally an attempt to dive into data structures. I read Frank
> Barknecht's still excellent DS tutorial and, of course, section 4 of
> Pd's help written by Miller Puckette, which is a bit more demanding, but
> definitely very interesting. Though I can somewhat follow the simpler
> example patches, the fundamental concepts are still a bit nebulous.
>
> Here's my problem. I found how to use [filledpolygon] to draw a
> rectangle whose width can be changed by mouse interaction. When using
> the same [struct] as the element of an array, I can draw many rectangles
> which can be grabbed and moved by the mouse (x-y-array). However, when
> it is used as an element, the ability to change the width dynamically
> with the mouse is lost.  When it is not part of an array, it cannot be
> moved easily (without going into edit mode). How can I have both at the
> same time? Is it even possible at all?
>
> Attached is an example that illustrates both cases.
>
> Roman
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Re: [PD] Cheap audio USB device with Raspberry PI -- works!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, so I'm buying this thing. I dindt understand this last message.
Anyway, did you see this thing handles AC-3 files. That's cool huh? Any of
you use it in linux? Is there a way to use AC-3 in pd? That'd be cool.

cheers

2013/5/5 Alexandre Castonguay 

> Hiya,
>
> I didn't see a post by André but yes, he told me the
> 'dwc_otg.speed=1 added to /boot/cmdline.txt' had no effect.
>
> ttys,
>
> a
>
> Le 2013-05-04 18:48, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> > Yeah, Deal Extreme, Great, Free Shipping to Brazil :)
> >
> > 2013/4/30 me.grimm 
> >
> >> That's without dwc_otg.speed=1 added to /boot/cmdline.txt 
> >>
> >> *m*
> >>
> >> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Julian Brooks  wrote:
> >>
> >> Blimey:)
> >>
> >> Could be really useful for workshops etc.
> >> £1.81 and free shipping to U.K (takes a while tho', so plan ahead).
> >> Nice find.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30 April 2013 21:54, Max  wrote:
> >>
> >>> i've added this info to
> >>> https://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
> >>> it has no vendor/brand name, but the model is: HY544
> >>>
> >>> Am 30.04.2013 um 22:14 schrieb Alexandre Castonguay <
> >>> acastong...@artengine.ca>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> This card works (audio i/o) with the Raspberry PI (Raspbian).
> >>>>
> >>>> You just need to type 'amixer -c 1 set Mic 80% cap' in a term window
> to
> >>>> enable to Mic.  In PD, under preferences, choose 'Alsa' as output and
> >>>> under 'audio configuration', select 'input Generic AudioUSB Device
> >>>> (hardware) Channels 1' and 'output Generic USB Audio Device (plug-in)
> >>>> Channels 2'.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is the beast :-) ->
> >>>>
> >>>> http://dx.com/p/usb-3d-sound-adapter-color-assorted-5831  (2.80 USD!)
> >>>>
> >>>> Have fun,
> >>>>
> >>>> * Merci à André Girard!
> >>>>
> >>>> Alexandre
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[PD] [PD-announce] Ringtone - Amplitude Modulation Sequencer in Pd

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I'm releasing a simple vanilla patch.

I stole the idea from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5-yXaLpwA

Here's the patch, which does more stuff...
https://sites.google.com/site/porres/ringtone.zip

I got more ideas that I wanna implement later, as well as some
enhancements. But this is enough fun for you and all your family.

I'd love to see you try it on your raspberry Pis. I don't have my around
just now, but I think it's a light patch that will run smoothly on it.

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Re: [PD] Cheap audio USB device with Raspberry PI -- works!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Yeah, Deal Extreme, Great, Free Shipping to Brazil :)

2013/4/30 me.grimm 

> That's without dwc_otg.speed=1 added to /boot/cmdline.txt 
>
> *m*
>
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Julian Brooks  wrote:
>
> Blimey:)
>
> Could be really useful for workshops etc.
> £1.81 and free shipping to U.K (takes a while tho', so plan ahead).
> Nice find.
>
> Julian
>
>
> On 30 April 2013 21:54, Max  wrote:
>
>> i've added this info to
>> https://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
>> it has no vendor/brand name, but the model is: HY544
>>
>> Am 30.04.2013 um 22:14 schrieb Alexandre Castonguay <
>> acastong...@artengine.ca>:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > This card works (audio i/o) with the Raspberry PI (Raspbian).
>> >
>> > You just need to type 'amixer -c 1 set Mic 80% cap' in a term window to
>> > enable to Mic.  In PD, under preferences, choose 'Alsa' as output and
>> > under 'audio configuration', select 'input Generic AudioUSB Device
>> > (hardware) Channels 1' and 'output Generic USB Audio Device (plug-in)
>> > Channels 2'.
>> >
>> > This is the beast :-) ->
>> >
>> > http://dx.com/p/usb-3d-sound-adapter-color-assorted-5831  (2.80 USD!)
>> >
>> > Have fun,
>> >
>> > * Merci à André Girard!
>> >
>> > Alexandre
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[PD] Ringtone - Amplitude Modulation Sequencer in Pd

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I'm releasing a simple vanilla patch.

I stole the idea from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5-yXaLpwA

Here's the patch, which does more stuff...
https://sites.google.com/site/porres/ringtone.zip

I got more ideas that I wanna implement later, as well as some
enhancements. But this is enough fun for you and all your family.

I'd love to see you try it on your raspberry Pis. I don't have my around
just now, but I think it's a light patch that will run smoothly on it.

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Re: [PD] Dspstate~ in puredata

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hmm, what other info you can get from [r pd]?
tnx

2013/4/28 IOhannes zmölnig 

> On 04/28/2013 03:14 PM, Olivier Baudry wrote:
>
>> dear all
>>
>> Is there any equivalent of Dspstate~ in puredata?
>>
>>
>
> i don't know [Dspstate~], care to explain what and where it is?
>
> in the meantime, you could try
>
> [r pd]
> |
> [route dsp]
> |
> [print]
>
>
> fgmsdt
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[PD] batteries for audio cards

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hey folks, anyone have recomendations for battery packs for audio cards?

wanna try some stuff going mobile, anybody doing that? Looking for some
high capacity for my multiface/RME (takes 9-.12V, 2A)

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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, the silence about this is kinda worrying me. Seems to me we may
pass on this year, right?

cheers

2013/4/1 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> For those who don't know: "here" means Brazil.
>
>
> 2013/4/1 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
>> On that matter, why don't we start discussing this. What I have to ask
>> is, how good or bad can it be that the conventions start coming yearly but
>> smaller? Is it better to wait 2-3 years for a bigger/blastfull one?
>>
>> I'm not sure about the answer.
>>
>> All I can say is what I've said before. We're planing to start an yearly
>> event here in 2012, and we could host pd in a similarly tied fashion - too
>> early to say how big it could be either.
>>
>> anyway, holding on for your thoughts before I start saying something ;)
>>
>> cheers
>> Alex
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner 
>>
>>>
>>> Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox are the people at CMU that would be the
>>> organizers.
>>>  From what I've heard, they are interested in doing something, but
>>> probably a
>>> smaller version, and tied to the VIA art festival, so the dates would
>>> only be
>>> Oct 1-5:
>>>
>>> http://www.via-pgh.com/
>>>
>>> So we should decide whether that sounds workable, or whether we should
>>> just
>>> focus all efforts on getting a full pdcon next year.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On 03/26/2013 10:33 AM, Epic Jefferson wrote:
>>> > No answer?! Who is organizing?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I was just gonna ask the same again :)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2013/3/23 Epic Jefferson 
>>> >>
>>> >>> Has there been any progress on the date? and if the pd-con will be in
>>> >>> Pittsburgh?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <
>>> h...@at.or.at>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 01/15/2013 12:44 PM, J Oliver wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> first week of October
>>> >>>>>>> 2013
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
>>> >>>>> J
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
>>> >>>>
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

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For those who don't know: "here" means Brazil.

2013/4/1 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> On that matter, why don't we start discussing this. What I have to ask is,
> how good or bad can it be that the conventions start coming yearly but
> smaller? Is it better to wait 2-3 years for a bigger/blastfull one?
>
> I'm not sure about the answer.
>
> All I can say is what I've said before. We're planing to start an yearly
> event here in 2012, and we could host pd in a similarly tied fashion - too
> early to say how big it could be either.
>
> anyway, holding on for your thoughts before I start saying something ;)
>
> cheers
> Alex
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2013/3/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner 
>
>>
>> Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox are the people at CMU that would be the
>> organizers.
>>  From what I've heard, they are interested in doing something, but
>> probably a
>> smaller version, and tied to the VIA art festival, so the dates would
>> only be
>> Oct 1-5:
>>
>> http://www.via-pgh.com/
>>
>> So we should decide whether that sounds workable, or whether we should
>> just
>> focus all efforts on getting a full pdcon next year.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On 03/26/2013 10:33 AM, Epic Jefferson wrote:
>> > No answer?! Who is organizing?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I was just gonna ask the same again :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/3/23 Epic Jefferson 
>> >>
>> >>> Has there been any progress on the date? and if the pd-con will be in
>> >>> Pittsburgh?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <
>> h...@at.or.at>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 01/15/2013 12:44 PM, J Oliver wrote:
>> >>>>>>> first week of October
>> >>>>>>> 2013
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
>> >>>>> J
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .hc
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

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On that matter, why don't we start discussing this. What I have to ask is,
how good or bad can it be that the conventions start coming yearly but
smaller? Is it better to wait 2-3 years for a bigger/blastfull one?

I'm not sure about the answer.

All I can say is what I've said before. We're planing to start an yearly
event here in 2012, and we could host pd in a similarly tied fashion - too
early to say how big it could be either.

anyway, holding on for your thoughts before I start saying something ;)

cheers
Alex

cheers

2013/3/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner 

>
> Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox are the people at CMU that would be the
> organizers.
>  From what I've heard, they are interested in doing something, but
> probably a
> smaller version, and tied to the VIA art festival, so the dates would only
> be
> Oct 1-5:
>
> http://www.via-pgh.com/
>
> So we should decide whether that sounds workable, or whether we should just
> focus all efforts on getting a full pdcon next year.
>
> .hc
>
> On 03/26/2013 10:33 AM, Epic Jefferson wrote:
> > No answer?! Who is organizing?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was just gonna ask the same again :)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/3/23 Epic Jefferson 
> >>
> >>> Has there been any progress on the date? and if the pd-con will be in
> >>> Pittsburgh?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 01/15/2013 12:44 PM, J Oliver wrote:
> >>>>>>> first week of October
> >>>>>>> 2013
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
> >>>>> J
> >>>>
> >>>> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
> >>>>
> >>>> .hc
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

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I was just gonna ask the same again :)

2013/3/23 Epic Jefferson 

> Has there been any progress on the date? and if the pd-con will be in
> Pittsburgh?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> On 01/15/2013 12:44 PM, J Oliver wrote:
>> >>> first week of October
>> >>> 2013
>> >
>> > Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
>> > J
>>
>> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
>>
>> .hc
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[PD] Fwd: SP-Brazil Meeting

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

another one next saturday :)

-- Mensagem encaminhada --
De: Alexandre Torres Porres 
Data: 28 de fevereiro de 2013 17:46
Assunto: SP-Brazil Meeting
Para: pd-lista puredata , pd-annou...@iem.at


Hi there, we're starting to organize some meetings on art software/hardware
much like in the sense of the Patching Circles here announced, but not only
devoted to "patching" like in Pd/Max, thus including text coding like
Supercolider and also other environments like Processing and Arduino, etc.

Newbies and experts, lets patch, code, hack and drink some beers, sorry for
the following call only in portuguese;

*Encontros Abertos Intermeios*

Experimentação/Arte/Tecnologia

Março 2013

Convidamos interessados em ferramentas voltadas à criação artística
multimídia (como: Pure Data, Max, SuperCollider, Processing, Arduíno,
dentre outros) para uma reunião informal voltada à criação e
desenvolvimento de projetos em arte e tecnologia. Aberto a todos, de
iniciantes à usuários avançados, o evento visa promover encontros entre
pessoas de diferentes áreas (programadores, artistas, designers, hackers,
etc) para colaborarem em trabalhos individuais ou coletivos.

Sábados, 02 e 16 de março.
à partir das 14h00.

Local: Intermeios

Rua Luis Murat, 40 Pinheiros
São Paulo - 05436-050
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Re: [PD] SP-Brazil Meeting

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

another one next saturday :)

Em 28 de fevereiro de 2013 17:46, Alexandre Torres Porres
escreveu:

> Hi there, we're starting to organize some meetings on art
> software/hardware much like in the sense of the Patching Circles here
> announced, but not only devoted to "patching" like in Pd/Max, thus
> including text coding like Supercolider and also other environments like
> Processing and Arduino, etc.
>
> Newbies and experts, lets patch, code, hack and drink some beers, sorry
> for the following call only in portuguese;
>
> *Encontros Abertos Intermeios*
>
> Experimentação/Arte/Tecnologia
>
> Março 2013
>
> Convidamos interessados em ferramentas voltadas à criação artística
> multimídia (como: Pure Data, Max, SuperCollider, Processing, Arduíno,
> dentre outros) para uma reunião informal voltada à criação e
> desenvolvimento de projetos em arte e tecnologia. Aberto a todos, de
> iniciantes à usuários avançados, o evento visa promover encontros entre
> pessoas de diferentes áreas (programadores, artistas, designers, hackers,
> etc) para colaborarem em trabalhos individuais ou coletivos.
>
> Sábados, 02 e 16 de março.
> à partir das 14h00.
>
> Local: Intermeios
>
> Rua Luis Murat, 40 Pinheiros
> São Paulo - 05436-050
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[PD] SP-Brazil Meeting

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Hi there, we're starting to organize some meetings on art software/hardware
much like in the sense of the Patching Circles here announced, but not only
devoted to "patching" like in Pd/Max, thus including text coding like
Supercolider and also other environments like Processing and Arduino, etc.

Newbies and experts, lets patch, code, hack and drink some beers, sorry for
the following call only in portuguese;

*Encontros Abertos Intermeios*

Experimentação/Arte/Tecnologia

Março 2013

Convidamos interessados em ferramentas voltadas à criação artística
multimídia (como: Pure Data, Max, SuperCollider, Processing, Arduíno,
dentre outros) para uma reunião informal voltada à criação e
desenvolvimento de projetos em arte e tecnologia. Aberto a todos, de
iniciantes à usuários avançados, o evento visa promover encontros entre
pessoas de diferentes áreas (programadores, artistas, designers, hackers,
etc) para colaborarem em trabalhos individuais ou coletivos.

Sábados, 02 e 16 de março.
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Local: Intermeios

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Re: [PD] Range Slider Object

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Have you solved it with the "range x y" message? That's all you need, so it
seems.

Nice to see all the options here anyway, I had done something similar for
my sampler patch, now I'll also include this idea.

cheers

2013/2/3 Esteban Viveros 

> Sorry...
>
>  About 4:25 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYO_KB8J94 we
> have a rslider...
>
>  I'm looking for a object gui like slider wich set a lowest and highest
> ranges to some activity to be defined afterward..
>
>  For example... I would like to set the lowest and the highest possible
> frequency in a random system.
>
>
> 2013/2/3 Hans-Christoph Steiner 
>
>>
>> You'll have to explain what rslider does since most people here don't use
>> Max
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On 02/03/2013 06:49 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Have pd-extended .43.4 a equivalent to max/msp rslider object?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd vanilla 0.44-2 (update to fix denormal behavior for Raspberry Pi)

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> how difficult to just get this version in the raspian
> repo so we can all just do apt-get?

that's a good one since that's as far as my linux expertise goes so far,
the RPI is my first linux ;)

2013/2/3 me.grimm 

> what would be the best practice for installing this?
>
> of course i could cd /to/pd/bin/ & ./pd
>
> but better yet just "pd" from terminal would be swanky
>
> and maybe not just run pd from ~/Desktop or ~/ or whatever.
>
> how difficult to just get this version in the raspian repo so we can
> all just do apt-get?
>
> m
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is only of interest to Raspberry Pi users - I've fixed the denormal
> > problem Katja reported and recompiled - you can get that and the new
> sources
> > from the usual sources:
> >
> > http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
> >
> > or
> >
> > git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data
> >
> > cheers
> > Miller
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2013/2/1 Simon Wise 

> They are needed on the Pi ... there is no analogue input and the built-in
> analogue out is very poor, hence you need some external USB card to do more
> than use the stereo digital audio part of the HDMI output.
>

Sure, but besides that, I'm just wondering and asking how it improves (or
if it does at all) the CPU performance. Or latency issues. I mean, sound
cards are more than just getting sound in and out of the computer, right?
And for that matter, I'm also interested on how it works in other
computers, not only in the RPI

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Re: [PD] change sample rate from patch and learn sample rate from file

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

yep, that does the trick :) now you can set pd's sample rate from the
workings of the patch while pd is runing!!! according to some wav file at
least, other file types would be nice.

I say that checking sample rate is a cool and possible update to vanilla
objects like [readsf~]2s or [soundfiler]. At least [readsf~] since its
sibling [writesf~] gets a flag to tell about the file sample rate, how
complicated or doable would that be miller?

thanks



2013/2/1 Roman Haefeli 

> On Fre, 2013-02-01 at 02:58 -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > Hi there, I see now you can easliy change pd's sample rate from
> > preferences while the patches are running, this is a new thing, isn't
> > it?
>
> Oh, I never tried to change the sampling rate while Pd is running.
> Interesting. Thanks for bringing it up!
>
> > anyway, can you change the sample rate from patch via messages?
>
> It seems so, yes. Actually, you can intercept the settings you configure
> to the audio dialog simply with a:
>
> [r pd]
> |
> [print]
>
> Those same messages can be sent to [s pd] in order to change audio
> settings.
>
> When hitting apply, I get:
>
> audio-dialog 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 48000 25 -1 64
>
> (To guess which parameter represents the sampling rate is left to the
> reader ;-)
>
> > And also, can you learn, somehow, the sample rate from a sound file?
> > Other softwares seem to do that easily, is there an object in Pd for
> > that? Noy in vanilla I believe, right?
>
> [iemlib/soundfile_info]
>
> (works for WAV files)
>
> Roman
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

by the way, since I've been abusing so much of the GUI to build me fancy
interfaces, I can see how easily it can choke on its update and flood the
CPU.

Now, could an external video card help on that? What is the issue?

I'm using a macbook air and I see that the video processor is built-in the
CPU or something like that, hence no proper videocard. I figure the RPI has
gotta be something like that.

So, does it mean a macbook pro or other laptop / computer with some badass
video processor or card can run the patches better even with same clock?

thanks

2013/2/1 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> me? guide? to what?
>
> Anyway, regarding RPI, are these cheap soundcards being tested supposed to
> help in the CPU load?
>
> I've testing some stuff with my audio card here on the macbook air, and
> it's a RME Multiface II (via PCI-Express Card) and it doesn't seem to
> affect so much the CPU load (as measured by pd's meter). I can see a better
> improvement on latency though.
>
> So, regarding the RPI, is the concern only about the latency? And how much
> can a sound card help after all in any occasion/computer/systrem.
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2013/1/31 me.grimm 
>
> > trying any of the cards from DealExtreme?
>>
>> no no all.  just the ones on amazon. i submit my receipts to the uni
>> so they pay me back. the students can use what ever i get that doesnt
>> work.
>>
>> BTW. if you write a basic intro guide that a 1st or 2nd year student
>> can follow (in english :)) ill use it in my class
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>>  wrote:
>> > That's great, can't wait till you try them all, it'd be just too
>> expensive
>> > for me to import them all and try here, so I'll wait for the winner.
>> Are you
>> > trying any of the cards from DealExtreme?
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
>> > 2013/1/31 me.grimm 
>> >
>> >> i just tried a cheap-o mic but im assuming line-in would be the same
>> >> no? i mean it was a passive mic so what the difference would be
>> >> between that and a direct guitar line, for example, i do not know.
>> >>
>> >> again, i ordered like 7 or 8 of these cheap-o line ins. ill test them
>> >> as they get delivered and report back.
>> >>
>> >> yes! i know of this
>> >> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Sound_Cards but not all
>> >> of these test well with pd i am assuming by all the recent sound card
>> >> crackling probs. also there are more that have not been tested or/and
>> >> have been but not listed here im sure
>> >>
>> >> m
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > does it work for line input or just mic?
>> >> > thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> >> Message: 1
>> >> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:04 -0500
>> >> >> From: "me.grimm" 
>> >> >> Subject: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user
>> >> >> experience)
>> >> >> To: "Peter P." 
>> >> >> Cc: Pd-list@iem.at
>> >> >> Message-ID:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i just tested this card:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
>> >> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
>> >> >>
>> >> >> w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various
>> patches
>> >> >> from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
>> >> >> screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
>> >> >> discovered
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> m
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >
>>
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[PD] change sample rate from patch and learn sample rate from file

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I see now you can easliy change pd's sample rate from preferences
while the patches are running, this is a new thing, isn't it?

anyway, can you change the sample rate from patch via messages?

And also, can you learn, somehow, the sample rate from a sound file? Other
softwares seem to do that easily, is there an object in Pd for that? Noy in
vanilla I believe, right?

thanks
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

me? guide? to what?

Anyway, regarding RPI, are these cheap soundcards being tested supposed to
help in the CPU load?

I've testing some stuff with my audio card here on the macbook air, and
it's a RME Multiface II (via PCI-Express Card) and it doesn't seem to
affect so much the CPU load (as measured by pd's meter). I can see a better
improvement on latency though.

So, regarding the RPI, is the concern only about the latency? And how much
can a sound card help after all in any occasion/computer/systrem.

cheers


2013/1/31 me.grimm 

> > trying any of the cards from DealExtreme?
>
> no no all.  just the ones on amazon. i submit my receipts to the uni
> so they pay me back. the students can use what ever i get that doesnt
> work.
>
> BTW. if you write a basic intro guide that a 1st or 2nd year student
> can follow (in english :)) ill use it in my class....
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>  wrote:
> > That's great, can't wait till you try them all, it'd be just too
> expensive
> > for me to import them all and try here, so I'll wait for the winner. Are
> you
> > trying any of the cards from DealExtreme?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > 2013/1/31 me.grimm 
> >
> >> i just tried a cheap-o mic but im assuming line-in would be the same
> >> no? i mean it was a passive mic so what the difference would be
> >> between that and a direct guitar line, for example, i do not know.
> >>
> >> again, i ordered like 7 or 8 of these cheap-o line ins. ill test them
> >> as they get delivered and report back.
> >>
> >> yes! i know of this
> >> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Sound_Cards but not all
> >> of these test well with pd i am assuming by all the recent sound card
> >> crackling probs. also there are more that have not been tested or/and
> >> have been but not listed here im sure
> >>
> >> m
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
> >>  wrote:
> >> > does it work for line input or just mic?
> >> > thanks!
> >> >
> >> >> Message: 1
> >> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:04 -0500
> >> >> From: "me.grimm" 
> >> >> Subject: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user
> >> >> experience)
> >> >> To: "Peter P." 
> >> >> Cc: Pd-list@iem.at
> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> i just tested this card:
> >> >>
> >> >> Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
> >> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
> >> >>
> >> >> w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
> >> >>
> >> >> works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various
> patches
> >> >> from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
> >> >>
> >> >> also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
> >> >> screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
> >> >>
> >> >> i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
> >> >> discovered
> >> >>
> >> >> http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> m
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

That's great, can't wait till you try them all, it'd be just too expensive
for me to import them all and try here, so I'll wait for the winner. Are
you trying any of the cards from DealExtreme?

cheers

2013/1/31 me.grimm 

> i just tried a cheap-o mic but im assuming line-in would be the same
> no? i mean it was a passive mic so what the difference would be
> between that and a direct guitar line, for example, i do not know.
>
> again, i ordered like 7 or 8 of these cheap-o line ins. ill test them
> as they get delivered and report back.
>
> yes! i know of this
> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Sound_Cards but not all
> of these test well with pd i am assuming by all the recent sound card
> crackling probs. also there are more that have not been tested or/and
> have been but not listed here im sure....
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres
>  wrote:
> > does it work for line input or just mic?
> > thanks!
> >
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:04 -0500
> >> From: "me.grimm" 
> >> Subject: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user
> >> experience)
> >> To: "Peter P." 
> >> Cc: Pd-list@iem.at
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> 
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >>
> >> i just tested this card:
> >>
> >> Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
> >>
> >> w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
> >>
> >> works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various patches
> >> from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
> >>
> >> also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
> >> screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
> >>
> >> i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
> >> discovered
> >>
> >> http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
> >>
> >>
> >> m
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

sorry, i've mistaken logitech and logilink for the same think, they are
both "logi", but different brands

2013/1/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> by the way, there's a list of peripherals here with some sound cards
> verified, I guess you people know about that :)
>
> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
>
> there's another cheap logilink one there
> http://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90378340/logilink-ua0053.asp
>
>
> 2013/1/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
>> does it work for line input or just mic?
>> thanks!
>>
>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:04 -0500
>>> From: "me.grimm" 
>>> Subject: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user
>>> experience)
>>> To: "Peter P." 
>>> Cc: Pd-list@iem.at
>>> Message-ID:
>>> >> bkg6fpfz5uoaufmgqe3qj7...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> i just tested this card:
>>>
>>> Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
>>>
>>> w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
>>>
>>> works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various patches
>>> from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
>>>
>>> also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
>>> screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
>>>
>>> i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
>>> discovered
>>>
>>> http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
>>>
>>>
>>> m
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user experience)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

by the way, there's a list of peripherals here with some sound cards
verified, I guess you people know about that :)

http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals

there's another cheap logilink one there
http://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90378340/logilink-ua0053.asp

2013/1/31 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> does it work for line input or just mic?
> thanks!
>
> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:31:04 -0500
>> From: "me.grimm" 
>> Subject: [PD] Working RPI Soundcards (was raspberry pi user
>> experience)
>> To: "Peter P." 
>> Cc: Pd-list@iem.at
>> Message-ID:
>> > bkg6fpfz5uoaufmgqe3qj7...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> i just tested this card:
>>
>> Logitech USB To 3.5mm Jack Audio Adapter ASIN: B0058P0I2C
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058P0I2C/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
>>
>> w/ dwc_otg.speed=1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
>>
>> works between 10-20ms with no clicks with adc~ running various patches
>> from manual (reverb, octave.divider, etc)
>>
>> also works in conjunction with my edimax wifi adapter + vnc
>> screensharing (no need for ethernet cable)
>>
>> i added it and the beringer to the wiki. others should be added as
>> discovered
>>
>> http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi/FrontPage
>>
>>
>> m
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

now that you mentioned, I had this issue once of not being able to get into
the edit mode and out, neither from the shortcut nor the window option. I'm
on OS 10.7.5

2013/1/30 Ángel Faraldo 

> Hi there,
>
> I started abusing the new extended release and I have same problem here
> with "Find" (max osx 10.6.8). Furthermore, my mac keyboard stops working
> after some time editing --not always, but I haven't find an action that
> provokes this behaviour yet,-- and switching between edit and performance
> modes (cmd-e) doesn't always work. Related to this, --misunderstanding?!--
> I don't really understand the use of two "Edit mode" entries in the edit
> menu, one shortcut as alt-cmd-E, the other as cmd-e... do they have
> different uses? might this be causing the problem? or is it just my
> confusion with the new functionalities?
>
> best,
>
> Ángel
>
> On 29/01/2013, at 23:51, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
> I didnt mean just "once". I meant like, if I browse throughout the patch
> getting all mathces once, it is fine. If I go for it again, nope...
>
> 2013/1/29 Alexandre Torres Porres 
>
>> Hey, I'm having an annoying hard time with the "find" function. If I find
>> something once, it's cool, but if I try to find the same thing again, it
>> doesn't do that. Anyone else?
>>
>> sorry for not finding this issue earlier.
>>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I didnt mean just "once". I meant like, if I browse throughout the patch
getting all mathces once, it is fine. If I go for it again, nope...

2013/1/29 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> Hey, I'm having an annoying hard time with the "find" function. If I find
> something once, it's cool, but if I try to find the same thing again, it
> doesn't do that. Anyone else?
>
> sorry for not finding this issue earlier.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 released!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hey, I'm having an annoying hard time with the "find" function. If I find
something once, it's cool, but if I try to find the same thing again, it
doesn't do that. Anyone else?

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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

just wanted to say it was very easy dealing with the pi on my first day of
messing with it.

this internet sharing was as easy as it came from the top of your head mark
;)

completely plug and play, with a regular ethernet cable.

Now I'm off to trying to get the VNC working. I really hope I can send the
internet via the crosscable while remotely controling it. Well, worst case
scenario I'll just get a wi-fi dongle or work on the net the regular way.

Really Excited about this. I'll even promise to write a basics on how to do
plug it in portuguese sometime soon ;)

cheers

2013/1/28 me.grimm 

> Off the top of my head
>
> System prefs -> sharing
>
> I think it's Internet sharing
>
> Share your Macs wifi -> Ethernet
>
> That should work for cable connect.
>
> I've been using this mini edimax wifi dongle and having it auto connect on
> boot to my local network. Then doing the "share screen" vnc thing...
>
> Have fun!!
>
> m
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
> guide on it:
> http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/
>
> that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
> reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
> http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi
>
> I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
> keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.
>
> Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
> connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
> to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?
>
> How do you do it Mark?
>
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> 2013/1/27 me.grimm 
>
>> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>>
>> I'm using tightvnc
>>
>> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>>
>> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
>> desktop on your Mac.
>>
>> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with
>> x-forwarding.
>>
>> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
>> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>>
>> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
>> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
>> screen to show what's going on).
>>
>> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
>> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
>> about anyone works?
>>
>> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to
>> run from a MAC OS system.
>>
>> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
>> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>>
>> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
>> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
>> laptop via the same cable?
>>
>> I guess that's it for now.
>>
>> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
>> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
>> tutorial
>>
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Nice, I figure it should work too... I didn't bother to get me a wi-fi
dongle and I don't want to anyway ;) I feel compelled to buy a battery for
it though, not that I need it at all so far.

Next step, I guess we could do a round up regarding USB audio, and also
post that on the Pd site.

cheers

2013/1/28 me.grimm 

> Off the top of my head
>
> System prefs -> sharing
>
> I think it's Internet sharing
>
> Share your Macs wifi -> Ethernet
>
> That should work for cable connect.
>
> I've been using this mini edimax wifi dongle and having it auto connect on
> boot to my local network. Then doing the "share screen" vnc thing...
>
> Have fun!!
>
> m
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
> guide on it:
> http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/
>
> that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
> reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
> http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi
>
> I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
> keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.
>
> Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
> connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
> to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?
>
> How do you do it Mark?
>
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> 2013/1/27 me.grimm 
>
>> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>>
>> I'm using tightvnc
>>
>> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>>
>> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
>> desktop on your Mac.
>>
>> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with
>> x-forwarding.
>>
>> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
>> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>>
>> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
>> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
>> screen to show what's going on).
>>
>> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
>> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
>> about anyone works?
>>
>> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to
>> run from a MAC OS system.
>>
>> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
>> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>>
>> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
>> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
>> laptop via the same cable?
>>
>> I guess that's it for now.
>>
>> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
>> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
>> tutorial
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
guide on it:
http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/

that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi

I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.

Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?

How do you do it Mark?

Cheers
Alex

2013/1/27 me.grimm 

> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>
> I'm using tightvnc
>
> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>
> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
> desktop on your Mac.
>
> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with x-forwarding.
>
> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>
> Hope that helps!
> M
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>
> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
> screen to show what's going on).
>
> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
> about anyone works?
>
> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run
> from a MAC OS system.
>
> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>
> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
> laptop via the same cable?
>
> I guess that's it for now.
>
> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
> tutorial
>
> Cheers
>
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[PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.

What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
screen to show what's going on).

I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
about anyone works?

I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run
from a MAC OS system.

To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?

That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
laptop via the same cable?

I guess that's it for now.

I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
tutorial

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Re: [PD] The third Japanese Pd-Book will be released on Feb.4.2013

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Congrats Chikashi, with that many japanese books around, I say it's time
PdCon goes to Asia :)

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 94, Issue 68

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
>
> .hc
>

nice, there is this noise in music conference in the UK just then, but I'd
ditch it for PdCon. But I'd like to know ASAP so I don't bother applying
for it (deadline is 21st now).

I agree 1st week is kinda useless and that it's be much problematic if it
were the last week of a semester.

If there's a chance now, I say we go for it. And, by the way, I say it'd be
cool if this became some an annual event. Hopefully we could rely on the
places that already hosted it to fill in the gaps every other year.

Of course I'm speaking on behalf of Brazil. This year (nothing official
yet, really far from it) we're thinking of starting an event much like the
PdCon, but open to every open source media art software. If this is
successful, we could make it a double event next year, including PdCon_2014
in it.

I kinda like the idea of pairing events, like it's kinda about to happen in
the US. This way, if anyone is busy, they don't feel that awfully bad for
missing it.

And overall, I think the importance of the event relies a lot on making an
impact on where it's taking place. I feel it was very nice to have it in
Brazil specially for that, and it feels wise to keep things rolling. So
bear with me if you think that a yearly event is bad because it might
reduce it somehow, I think it will actually make things grow. And there is
also the idea of "build it and they will come", it might be kinda
optimistic, but I think that it's also quite realistic and true.

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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hey guys, sorry to bother, but have you made progress closing on the date?
Any idea?

I'd like to keep it agenda as soon as it's confirmed.

thanks
Alex
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[PD] suggestion: set array's format (poligon/points) via messages

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, would it be too complicated to do that? I could benefit from it ;)

thanks
Alex
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

>
> cool! driving distance!!
> m
>

And accessible by land from São Paulo too, maybe the brazilian gang can
hitchhike or something.

count us in
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Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

great :-)

good luck then.

And I see you've been checking the bug I reported on my patch. Awesome,
Thanks! I will put a newer and less costy version out soon. I can run up to
4 of those on one of the 2 cores of an i7 1.8, I was running only 2 of them
before.

Cheers!

2012/12/23 Miller Puckette 

> HI Alexandre -
>
> I mean to try to figure this out but want to get the next Pd release out
> first :)
>
> Miller
> `
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:13:01PM -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > Hi, sorry to insist on this, but I think it is important and it really
> > doesn't seem to be working inside max... anyway, I made a bug report to
> Pd,
> > please let me know if this will be checked out.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > 2012/12/8 Alexandre Torres Porres 
> >
> > > it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html
> > >
> > > but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > >
> > > 2012/12/8 Max 
> > >
> > >> I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed
> > >> when Max was at version 4.something
> > >> Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site
> > >> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
> > >>
> > >> Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres <
> por...@gmail.com
> > >> >:
> > >>
> > >> > Hello, how's it going?
> > >> >
> > >> > Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users
> they
> > >> could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX.
> > >> >
> > >> > We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a
> > >> while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing
> > >> something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX
> users and
> > >> it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate.
> > >> >
> > >> > I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with
> Pd
> > >> inside MAX. Bummer.
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers
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Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi, sorry to insist on this, but I think it is important and it really
doesn't seem to be working inside max... anyway, I made a bug report to Pd,
please let me know if this will be checked out.

thanks


2012/12/8 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html
>
> but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around.
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2012/12/8 Max 
>
>> I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed
>> when Max was at version 4.something
>> Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site
>> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
>>
>> Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres > >:
>>
>> > Hello, how's it going?
>> >
>> > Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they
>> could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX.
>> >
>> > We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a
>> while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing
>> something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and
>> it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate.
>> >
>> > I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this.
>> >
>> > I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only.
>> >
>> > Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd
>> inside MAX. Bummer.
>> >
>> > cheers
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Re: [PD] GUI overload

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

nice topic; these things happen to me too. Audio is prioritized and
GUI gets messy.

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Re: [PD] DTMF recognition / Goertzel algorithm in Pd?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Well, actually he pointed the algorithm to me, as if he needed it, but
checking what it is, seems like a more efficient FFT, suited for small
processors, and he doesn't seem to need that. Maybe TimbreID is good for
the job.

Anyway, there's a C code in this wikipedia, anyone curious could make an
external :-)

cheers

2012/12/9 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> Hi there, a friend is looking for a way to do DTMF recognition in Pd. I
> know there is this Goertzel algorithm <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goertzel_algorithm> and I wonder if anyone
> has already implemented something about it in PD.
>
> Maybe some other option?
>
> thanks
> Alex
>
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[PD] DTMF recognition / Goertzel algorithm in Pd?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, a friend is looking for a way to do DTMF recognition in Pd. I
know there is this Goertzel algorithm <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goertzel_algorithm> and I wonder if anyone has
already implemented something about it in PD.

Maybe some other option?

thanks
Alex
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Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html

but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around.

cheers


2012/12/8 Max 

> I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed
> when Max was at version 4.something
> Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site
> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
>
> Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres :
>
> > Hello, how's it going?
> >
> > Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they
> could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX.
> >
> > We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a
> while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing
> something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and
> it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this.
> >
> > I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only.
> >
> > Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd
> inside MAX. Bummer.
> >
> > cheers
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[PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hello, how's it going?

Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could
open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX.

We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while
ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something
wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns
out the object doesn't really instantiate.

I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this.

I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only.

Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd
inside MAX. Bummer.

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[PD] mac os annoyingly oppening previously openned patch

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hey mac users, this has been bugging me for a while.

Is it only me or since Lion (I'm using 10.7.5) it annoyingly oppens the
previously openned patch everytime you open Pd?

How to get rid of this thing?

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Re: [PD] graph on parent problem?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

well, I hadn't, but yeah!! Thanks :D

let me know when you nail the remaining issue please

2012/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner 

>
> Hey Porres,
>
> Have you tried a recent build? I fixed some the issues from your patch, so
> LPVoc-help.pd now works.  I'm still looking at the Brane-e issue where the
> array doesn't draw while recording in 0.43.
>
> .hc
>
> On Dec 7, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
>
> wel... I've been reporting similar issues, and it's getting worse with 043
> versions. Definetly something worth debugging.
>
> cheers
>
>
>
>> I have an array in a subpatch, when I applied graph-on-parent property to
>> the subpatch (to view the array which holds sound so could be fairly
>> large) Pd didn't like that. With dsp off it worked fine but when I turn
>> dsp on Pd becames unusably slow to react (sliders, etc.). I was able to
>> solve the problem by removing the graph-on-parent option. So it seems
>> there is something in the interaction of graph-on-parent and the sound
>> engine.
>> this is on a planetCCRMA system: FC17 PD0.42-5extended
>> Anyone else encounter such a problem? Any solution (beside moving things
>> outside subpatches)?
>> Thanks
>> Oded
>>
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Re: [PD] graph on parent problem?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

wel... I've been reporting similar issues, and it's getting worse with 043
versions. Definetly something worth debugging.

cheers



> I have an array in a subpatch, when I applied graph-on-parent property to
> the subpatch (to view the array which holds sound so could be fairly
> large) Pd didn't like that. With dsp off it worked fine but when I turn
> dsp on Pd becames unusably slow to react (sliders, etc.). I was able to
> solve the problem by removing the graph-on-parent option. So it seems
> there is something in the interaction of graph-on-parent and the sound
> engine.
> this is on a planetCCRMA system: FC17 PD0.42-5extended
> Anyone else encounter such a problem? Any solution (beside moving things
> outside subpatches)?
> Thanks
> Oded
>
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Re: [PD] Live phase modulation (Charles Henry)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Go for the ssb example (H09)

it uses the hilbert transform to do a complex modulation. It's a
frequency shifter (not a pitch shifter) but it works for this kind of
modulation.

You may also use some other pitch shifter as well for that.

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Re: [PD] windowing extended objetcs, mistakes on help files and how to make them into vanilla patches

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> I suggest that the bugs are in the
> descriptions rather than the objects

yep, that is what I meant. It's actually no bug then, just some descriptive
mistake, easily correctable by altering the comments in the help files.

I was trying to get a hold of the author in here to warn him about it, but
if needed I can file a bug report.

I was also curious and asking how to make them into Pd vanilla patches. I
was able to make them all as patches but the kaiser window, and the
gaussian is a bit different too.

cheers
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Re: [PD] windowing extended objetcs, mistakes on help files and how to make them into vanilla patches

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

seem to have nailed the gaussian window, but with different width values
than the object.

2012/10/16 Alexandre Torres Porres 

> Hi there, I was studying the window functions for FFT, so I was trying to
> build into vanilla pacthes the window functions that come on Pd-Extended
> [windowing] package. I got to do them all, but kaiser~ and gaussian~
>
> Do any of you feel capable to perform this ver nerdy taks?
>
> Well, anyway, here are some inconsistencies/mistakes I found ont the
> description of the formulas that are present in the help of those external
> objetcts:
>
> - blackman~ instead of 0.8 it should be 0.08
>
> - welch formula: 1-abs(x) - not sure, but doesn't seem to be right or
> clear. I used this one: http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/windows/
>
> - barlett~: 1-x^2 doesn't seem to be right or clear either, I used this
> one: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ApodizationFunction.html
>
> - connes~: cos(pi*x/2) - it's the same as cosine~ so it can't be right, I
> used the above link again.
>
> Cheers
> Alex
>
>
>
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[PD] windowing extended objetcs, mistakes on help files and how to make them into vanilla patches

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, I was studying the window functions for FFT, so I was trying to
build into vanilla pacthes the window functions that come on Pd-Extended
[windowing] package. I got to do them all, but kaiser~ and gaussian~

Do any of you feel capable to perform this ver nerdy taks?

Well, anyway, here are some inconsistencies/mistakes I found ont the
description of the formulas that are present in the help of those external
objetcts:

- blackman~ instead of 0.8 it should be 0.08

- welch formula: 1-abs(x) - not sure, but doesn't seem to be right or
clear. I used this one: http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/windows/

- barlett~: 1-x^2 doesn't seem to be right or clear either, I used this
one: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ApodizationFunction.html

- connes~: cos(pi*x/2) - it's the same as cosine~ so it can't be right, I
used the above link again.

Cheers
Alex
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Re: [PD] tabreceive, method for what? Can it set tables?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hmm, what is it for then? Can we use it in earlier versions if we know what
it is?
A.

2012/10/12 Miller Puckette 

> This was an accidental omission -it's already fixed in 0.44 :)
>
> Miller
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:18:18PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > Hi there, [tabosc4~] can set tables via a set message into an inlet.
> >
> > [tabreceive~] has an inlet but it doesn't say what it is for. It'd be
> good
> > if you could set different tables in it. Is it possible?
> >
> > it says it has no method for 'set', and also no bang/float, whatever...
> >
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[PD] tabreceive, method for what? Can it set tables?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi there, [tabosc4~] can set tables via a set message into an inlet.

[tabreceive~] has an inlet but it doesn't say what it is for. It'd be good
if you could set different tables in it. Is it possible?

it says it has no method for 'set', and also no bang/float, whatever...

Cheers
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[PD] normalizing hann window

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, in pd's examples, we need to divide by (3/2 * window size) in a 4
overlap on a hann window.

what about other overlaps, what is the normalizing factor?

and how about other windows?

I looked for this info on books and google and stuff, found nothing.

Engineers, please help.

thanks
Alex
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[PD] what is "use callbacks" anyway?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

and how does it really work?

Google didnt tell me, perhaps you guys can

Thanks
A
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