Re: [PD] (netpd)U(Pd-extended) (was Re: elitism, software and academia)

2007-06-14 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 11:26 +0200, Enrique Erne wrote:

  Many patches won't work out of the box almost always because it will
  miss an external, or an abstraction, here we come again on the fact 
  that
  the patches misses some comments,

defining a way to specify the externals a certain netpd-patch uses, is
really needed here.

abstractions shouldn't be missed. if so, i'd contact the author of the
patch. my patches usually come as a tar.gz archive with all necessary
abstractions inside. 

if a patch is loaded over netpd and it is missing an abstraction on your
machine, then it is definitely a bug of the patch.

many netpd-patches are documented in the wiki and have their own page.
usually it is:

http://www.netpd.org/patchname

of course, i cannot guarantee, that there will be a page for every
available netpd-patch (beside my owns).

again, if you miss come specific documentation, contact me (for
netpd-related stuff) or the author (for netpd-patch related stuff).

roman



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Re: [PD] (netpd)U(Pd-extended) (was Re: elitism, software and academia)

2007-06-09 Thread Enrique Erne
hi patko

 net-pd works very good, and can be installed in a minute.
 it's not really one distribution like everyone would make, in my eyes,
 but one distribution that everyone would use, a kind of stable funny
 release of the pd stuff.

 Many patches won't work out of the box almost always because it will
 miss an external, or an abstraction, here we come again on the fact 
 that
 the patches misses some comments,

if you miss an abstraction there is something wrong with your setup.
i think i can say _every_ netpd-patch that uses abstractions has
a subpatch [pd abslist] with a list of msgs containing all used 
abstractions.

when one netloads a patch, _creator.pd will read the abslist and tells 
all
the users that it is going to upload a patch with the specific 
abstractions
and version number.

i.e. of sumsum.pd ( [r netpd-broadcast]-[print] )

print: cr.postloadrequest 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/jamx.pd a 0.1.26 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/pad.pd a 0.2.12 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/i2mx~.pd a 0.6.28 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/mx_manager.pd a 0.6.16 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/if4.pd a 0.0.0 4
print: cr.filecheck abs/mx_manager.pd a 0.6.16 4
print: cr.filecheck /Users/pd/netpd/patches/sumsum.pd p 0.3.5 4
print: sumsum.dumpreqreqreq 4

since creator v1.4.3 it is even possible to have an abslist in an 
abstraction
itself and because i didn't updated sumsum.pd it checks mx_manager.pd 
twice.
mx_manager.pd is an abstraction of i2mx~.pd therefore i could/should 
remove it
from the sumsum.pd abslist.


externals:

atm netpd needs maxlib and zexy. which are included in the pd-netpd
packages. if you want to use all the instruments made so far
(they are not included in basic netpd and u don't have to use them),
you have to add iemlibs and iemmatrix (included in pd-netpd).

iemlibs was added when syntax the nerd joined netpd and ported some of 
his
bag of tricks. at the time i wrote jamx i still had zexy1.3 with an
included matrix. but matrix has moved to iemmatrix in zexy2.1.
many netpd patches use jamx as mono-note-sequencer and so they all
need iemmatrix.

one patch uses creb's blosc~ and resofilt~ but that never worked for me
on osx and so i have never heard this synth :-( .


 *ultra high sarcastic mode, sensible mind don't read*

no problem

 if there is not room enough to put the name of the dependances, like in
 almost all example patches, or original abstractions, why not replacing
 the name of the autor with something more usefull...

the only useful about the name is that you can blame the person who 
wrote
the patch ;-)

 *end of ultra sarcastic mode*

... seriously: at least you can talk to the author and ask him about 
the patch.
so far i tried to put info into the netpd.org wiki . have you ever have 
a look
there ?
i.e. http://www.netpd.org/Sumsum
all the sites are here:
http://www.netpd.org/NetpdPatches/contents#Sumsum

i was thinking about removing my name from the patches and make it more
welcome for changes (see kyle's movie about os)... so far we were
cautious in changing others patches.
usually we change the name ultrahardcoresynth-eni.pd and do changes and 
suggest it
to the original author... but many authors are not active.. hmm that's 
an other topic.

what information would you like to see in the patches ?
- dependencies...

what do you mean with original abstractions ?

 Thanks for letting me advocating my point of view,
 Patko.

regards
eni





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