Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
Derek, wasn't it you who posted a link to gentoo is for ricers site on this list years ago? :) (site seems to be down now) I used to use gentoo because, for years, I had a pII 500mhz laptop with a max of 128mb of ram. I thought with gentoo, I would be able to slim the memory usage down and max out the amount of mmx and sse instructions used in code overall. And, I remember it running really smoothly. At one point, however, I got sick of compiling X for 2 days straight every time that needed to be upgraded. I also spent 3 or 4 days trying to get it to work with a wireless card with which I was stuck. At that point, I installed ubuntu 5.10 (i think. this was 2004).In my experience, ubuntu has been good at recognizing the most kinds of general use hardware (wireless cards, bluetooth, openGL, usb cards and media readers etc) so long as you use their gnome environment. It also has a very large selection of packages. I stuck to the apt-get'able packages and never had a single problem in the last 4 years. I spent considerably less time futzing around with various options...and learned to live with what was there. I was also able to mount and use normal non-journaled HFS+ drives, although only did that on one or two occasions when I was forced to 'think different'. I now have a laptop with pIII 600mhz and 256mb of ram with Ubuntu Hardy Heron (the latest).If you have less than a 1Gig of RAM, I would seriously not recommend using this distro. It was an amazing difference in memory usage from the last distro version to this one. I have stopped all unnecessary daemons and had to stop using the gnome window manager and now use fluxbox...and it will still swap like crazy every now and then. I'm actually considering switching back to gentoo. -august. Hey gang, In a search for distraction from the project I'm really supposed to be working on, I decided to update my (until now stable but very outdated) Gentoo media editing machine. A couple days of circular package blocks, missing dependencies and vanishing libraries later, I'm really curious why I once decided it was a good idea to compile everything myself ;-) (Note to Gentooers: emerge --update --deep world once a month, or get the thing stable and never touch it again! If you wait too long, and your current packages go out of Portage, it can be hellish!). So if and when this machine is hosed, what would be a good distro to put on it? I don't feel much like the super-hacker I was a four or five years ago when I got into Gentoo, but I like a distro that I can configure to be extremely minimal and transparent. And what is absolutely necessary is that it has well-configured versions of all the audio softs that I depend on, such as Ardour (w/ VST support!), Jamin, LADSPAs, JACK, etc. Realtime/prempt kernel = A-OK. Ability to use PD-Extended is of course a plus, and also the ability to mount HFS+ drives without destroying them (as Ubuntu has done to me in the past) is also necessary. I looked at Ubuntu Studio, but I wanted to ask who actually uses it. From the page it seems like maybe it's not well-maintained, and that's another requirement for me after messing around with different audio-related overlays for Portage that eventually get abandoned. If Ubuntu Studio isn't the right one, can anyone suggest another option? My last criteria is that it has a coherent user community and excellent docs (strongest point of Gentoo, and from what I recall a weak point of straight Debian, IMHO). thx + best! D. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, august wrote: wasn't it you who posted a link to gentoo is for ricers site on this list years ago? :) (site seems to be down now) It was reestablished and renamed to http://funroll-loops.info/ _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
It wasn't me that originally posted it I think. Can't remember, actually... But it did get sent to me by several well-meaning people. And I always wondered what a funroll tastes like maybe shrimpy? d. Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, august wrote: wasn't it you who posted a link to gentoo is for ricers site on this list years ago? :) (site seems to be down now) It was reestablished and renamed to http://funroll-loops.info/ -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 93: Into the impossible ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
Hey gang, In a search for distraction from the project I'm really supposed to be working on, I decided to update my (until now stable but very outdated) Gentoo media editing machine. A couple days of circular package blocks, missing dependencies and vanishing libraries later, I'm really curious why I once decided it was a good idea to compile everything myself ;-) (Note to Gentooers: emerge --update --deep world once a month, or get the thing stable and never touch it again! If you wait too long, and your current packages go out of Portage, it can be hellish!). So if and when this machine is hosed, what would be a good distro to put on it? I don't feel much like the super-hacker I was a four or five years ago when I got into Gentoo, but I like a distro that I can configure to be extremely minimal and transparent. And what is absolutely necessary is that it has well-configured versions of all the audio softs that I depend on, such as Ardour (w/ VST support!), Jamin, LADSPAs, JACK, etc. Realtime/prempt kernel = A-OK. Ability to use PD-Extended is of course a plus, and also the ability to mount HFS+ drives without destroying them (as Ubuntu has done to me in the past) is also necessary. I looked at Ubuntu Studio, but I wanted to ask who actually uses it. From the page it seems like maybe it's not well-maintained, and that's another requirement for me after messing around with different audio-related overlays for Portage that eventually get abandoned. If Ubuntu Studio isn't the right one, can anyone suggest another option? My last criteria is that it has a coherent user community and excellent docs (strongest point of Gentoo, and from what I recall a weak point of straight Debian, IMHO). thx + best! D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 84: How would you have done it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:01:05 +0200 From: Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey gang, In a search for distraction from the project I'm really supposed to be working on, I decided to update my (until now stable but very outdated) Gentoo media editing machine. A couple days of circular package blocks, missing dependencies and vanishing libraries later, I'm really curious why I once decided it was a good idea to compile everything myself ;-) (Note to Gentooers: emerge --update --deep world once a month, or get the thing stable and never touch it again! If you wait too long, and your current packages go out of Portage, it can be hellish!). So if and when this machine is hosed, what would be a good distro to put on it? I don't feel much like the super-hacker I was a four or five years ago when I got into Gentoo, but I like a distro that I can configure to be extremely minimal and transparent. And what is absolutely necessary is that it has well-configured versions of all the audio softs that I depend on, such as Ardour (w/ VST support!), Jamin, LADSPAs, JACK, etc. Realtime/prempt kernel = A-OK. Ability to use PD-Extended is of course a plus, and also the ability to mount HFS+ drives without destroying them (as Ubuntu has done to me in the past) is also necessary. I looked at Ubuntu Studio, but I wanted to ask who actually uses it. From the page it seems like maybe it's not well-maintained, and that's another requirement for me after messing around with different audio-related overlays for Portage that eventually get abandoned. If Ubuntu Studio isn't the right one, can anyone suggest another option? My last criteria is that it has a coherent user community and excellent docs (strongest point of Gentoo, and from what I recall a weak point of straight Debian, IMHO). I'm sure you've considered fedora/planetccrma? This is an oversimplification/caricature, but I've always felt that ubuntu doesn't really trust its users, so sometimes things are much harder to configure than otherwise should be (for instance, using the command line is listed under advanced topics in the documentation). In other words, it tends to feel more like a macintosh than a linux distro should, -- or something. =o) I've had to use ubuntu studio, but I have found myself with a ton of audio dropouts in important and stressful situtations, using jack with supercollider. Fernando at ccrma has done a ton of great work -- PD extended (0.39) is available and works great -- I usually compile a vanilla package for my own personal use, too. The latest stable version is on Fedora 8, with Fedora 9 in the works. Also included with the jack package is the new version of jackd (jackdmp) which you can test. The realtime kernels are the best around, IMO, but you can't compile proprietary radeon drivers against them (nvidia works, though -- the newest ones need a patch, and really I believe it would be possible to compile the radeon drivers if you recompiled the kernel with a mean-spirited patch). The community is good as well, and answers to questions are typically prompt and informative -- Nando is especially bright and helpful, and knows where to go to get help if there are kernel problems. On the negative side, I find fedora's default repos kind of lame, and apt-get in ubuntu kills fedora's yum (though yum has improved significantly in the last year). Also, they've tended to take over important software, not include all the features, and then abandon it. For instance csound is not on planetccrma anymore, but in the default repo. It's stuck at 5.03, and doesn't include some opcodes like the loris stuff, nor the csoundapi~ class for Pd. They keep a version of jack which sometimes conflicts with ccrma's for a couple of days, until Nando saves the day on his end. You have to rebuild mplayer to work with jack. Livna is better than Freshrpms, but if you need cinelerra you'll have to go with the latter (though it's possible to maintain a machine that uses both, I don't recommend it). Fedora also anecdotally tends to be a little less stable on certain hardware, but I've had very few problems with the rt kernels for at least a year now. Fedora is meant to be very quickly developed, and new versions come out every six months or so, which means that at some point you'll have to be satisfied with the state of your machine when your packages are no longer updated, or you'll have to upgrade to the new distro. I really think that the best thing to use is what you're used to -- workarounds for the gotchas become second nature, and you tend to forget that they were a problem in the first place. I have no experience with HFS partitions under fedora. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE
Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
i have used dynebolic+puredyne in live situations, with really good performance, also i have used ubuntu studio (hardy) for graphics and audio, and for me, it works ok, what i like: Updated very frequently, the guys work hard fixing things and trying to improve the distro i like the concept of just use it, don't mess with kernel stuff and compiling things, so you have time for the fun stuff Apt-get works great, just search for the app, install and use it Many of the interesting audio/video apps are ready to use Great support from the ubuntu community Good graphics support what i don't like: Sometimes things get broken when you do an update , so you have to wait for a couple of days until a new update comes by the way fedora/ccrma distro is solid as a rock in audio, but it lacks good 3d support, now if you can compile the needed drivers, you should consider it. M. M. 2008/7/13 Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey gang, In a search for distraction from the project I'm really supposed to be working on, I decided to update my (until now stable but very outdated) Gentoo media editing machine. A couple days of circular package blocks, missing dependencies and vanishing libraries later, I'm really curious why I once decided it was a good idea to compile everything myself ;-) (Note to Gentooers: emerge --update --deep world once a month, or get the thing stable and never touch it again! If you wait too long, and your current packages go out of Portage, it can be hellish!). So if and when this machine is hosed, what would be a good distro to put on it? I don't feel much like the super-hacker I was a four or five years ago when I got into Gentoo, but I like a distro that I can configure to be extremely minimal and transparent. And what is absolutely necessary is that it has well-configured versions of all the audio softs that I depend on, such as Ardour (w/ VST support!), Jamin, LADSPAs, JACK, etc. Realtime/prempt kernel = A-OK. Ability to use PD-Extended is of course a plus, and also the ability to mount HFS+ drives without destroying them (as Ubuntu has done to me in the past) is also necessary. I looked at Ubuntu Studio, but I wanted to ask who actually uses it. From the page it seems like maybe it's not well-maintained, and that's another requirement for me after messing around with different audio-related overlays for Portage that eventually get abandoned. If Ubuntu Studio isn't the right one, can anyone suggest another option? My last criteria is that it has a coherent user community and excellent docs (strongest point of Gentoo, and from what I recall a weak point of straight Debian, IMHO). thx + best! D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 84: How would you have done it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Ubuntu Studio and other media-related distros
Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: I'm sure you've considered fedora/planetccrma? This is an oversimplification/caricature, but I've always felt that ubuntu doesn't really trust its users, so sometimes things are much harder to configure than otherwise should be (for instance, using the command line is listed under advanced topics in the documentation). In other words, it tends to feel more like a macintosh than a linux distro should, -- or something. =o) That's just the mindset of the Ubuntu devs. If that's bothersome, one could also run plain Debian (as I do for many years now). Every distribution is great. But to me over the years, Debian has proven to simply be the best general purpose, long time supported distribution in the world. I'm serious. No wonder, Ubuntu and many other great distributions put their trust into Debian by choosing it as their base. Oh, and the best live audio distribution pure:dyne now is Debian based as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
