Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Good to hear your thoughts folks. I also have some doubts about this kind of initiatives. I used to work in Live in a previous windowz existence, and what appear to me as a dubious paradox is the attempt to extend a software which is purposely limited by design into the wilder field of audio programming. Obviously it's easy to argue for the added capabilities and potential that Live users could benefit from, but I wonder how many of those users actually demand such potential. As it has always been said here, those who really need programming tools, will rather use them in a complete environment, than a sketched hybrid. It would be interesting to know whether this idea was proposed by Live or CSound community. cheers, M Yeah, Csound4Live basically wraps Csound instruments and such in Max4Live using [csound~]. If [pd~] for Max gets going, you could then use Pd in Live. Though, if you already have Max, it might not seem as attractive. .mmb On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: On 17/10/2011 21:42, Jeppi Jeppi wrote: Looks as a nice combination, Csound for great unique sound designs and Live for quick realtime sketches. Yep, you can do the same with Pd, even with bare C...but Csound is Csound...respect ;) I really don't use Live at all...Csound for Pd is even cooler IMHO. And I *think* it's using Csound for max.. so it's kinda live + max + Csound. Lorenzo. Josep M From: h...@at.or.at To: de...@thesaddj.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:58:48 -0400 CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: ? ?any thought about this? ? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ ? ?-- ? ?Marco Donnarumma ? ?Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ? ?ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) ? ?The University of Edinburgh, UK ? ?~ ? ?Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com http://marcodonnarumma.com/ ? ?Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com ? ?http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/ | http://www.thesaddj.com ? ?http://www.thesaddj.com/ | http://www.flxer.net ? ?http://www.flxer.net/ ? ?Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ? ?http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/ ? ?___ ? ?Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list ? ?UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - ? ?http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - ?http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com -- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:38:04 +0200 From: Charles Goyard c...@fsck.fr Subject: Re: [PD] help browser resize + guiplugins organization To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 20111018173804.GA1536@tip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I'm also working on this: # TODO enter and up/down/left/right arrow key bindings for nav Any luck with the key bindings for the Help Browser? After a few unsuccessful attempts, I dropped the task. TCL is a strange language... see you, Charlot -- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:12:57 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List To: Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com Message-ID: 49ae7aa9-ef4c-432f-8175-38135f22e...@at.or.at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sounds great, I say do it! .hc On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: +1. I think the forum is a good place for it, too. Newbies seem to gravitate toward (or at least participate more) to the forum. I think this would be a great way to help new users develop some chops. .mmb On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:17 PM, hardoff goes bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: if there is interest in this, i'd
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
well, for me Csound is replacing Ableton Live for concerts as realtime sound engine (multitrack loop player / processor plus as synthesizer), communicating with Pure Data/ GEM as visualization, both works well on Linux: http://vimeo.com/24077632 Cheers, Malte -- media art + development http://www.block4.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Marco, i think it's more about convincing some of the AL users to experiment with these other forms of playing with sound, letting them know that it's possible to go further. And building a nice bridge for them. Personally, i'm currently in the process of switching completely to Pd from AL. But Max4Live was useful to me for a moment. I've been wanting to get in to Csound or Supercollider or Chuck (can't decide which one to pursue) to see what's up, but right now it's exactly like when I opened a max patch for the first time, even worse. So, i think it makes sense that these bridges are being made with AL (since AL is already the most interesting and versatile of the commercial DAW's, in my opinion). On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Malte Steiner stei...@block4.com wrote: well, for me Csound is replacing Ableton Live for concerts as realtime sound engine (multitrack loop player / processor plus as synthesizer), communicating with Pure Data/ GEM as visualization, both works well on Linux: http://vimeo.com/24077632 Cheers, Malte -- media art + development http://www.block4.com __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.epicjefferson.com www.avmachinists.org Puerto Rico based Art Collective/ Non-Profit Org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: It would be interesting to know whether this idea was proposed by Live or CSound community. cheers, M I believe it just started as Colman's final project at Berklee, and he and Dr. B kept working on it. .mmb -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
From: Epic Jefferson jeffreyconcepc...@gmail.com To: stei...@block4.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live Marco, i think it's more about convincing some of the AL users to experiment with these other forms of playing with sound, letting them know that it's possible to go further. And building a nice bridge for them. Personally, i'm currently in the process of switching completely to Pd from AL. But Max4Live was useful to me for a moment. I've been wanting to get in to Csound or Supercollider or Chuck (can't decide which one to pursue) If it's realtime DSP you're after, choose Supercollider. Unlike Csound it was originally built for real time processing, and unlike ChucK it has a huge library of whatever the Supercollider equivalent is for Pd externals. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
On 17/10/2011 21:42, Jeppi Jeppi wrote: Looks as a nice combination, Csound for great unique sound designs and Live for quick realtime sketches. Yep, you can do the same with Pd, even with bare C...but Csound is Csound...respect ;) I really don't use Live at all...Csound for Pd is even cooler IMHO. And I *think* it's using Csound for max.. so it's kinda live + max + Csound. Lorenzo. Josep M From: h...@at.or.at To: de...@thesaddj.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:58:48 -0400 CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com http://marcodonnarumma.com/ Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/ | http://www.thesaddj.com http://www.thesaddj.com/ | http://www.flxer.net http://www.flxer.net/ Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Yeah, Csound4Live basically wraps Csound instruments and such in Max4Live using [csound~]. If [pd~] for Max gets going, you could then use Pd in Live. Though, if you already have Max, it might not seem as attractive. .mmb On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: On 17/10/2011 21:42, Jeppi Jeppi wrote: Looks as a nice combination, Csound for great unique sound designs and Live for quick realtime sketches. Yep, you can do the same with Pd, even with bare C...but Csound is Csound...respect ;) I really don't use Live at all...Csound for Pd is even cooler IMHO. And I *think* it's using Csound for max.. so it's kinda live + max + Csound. Lorenzo. Josep M From: h...@at.or.at To: de...@thesaddj.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:58:48 -0400 CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com http://marcodonnarumma.com/ Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/ | http://www.thesaddj.com http://www.thesaddj.com/ | http://www.flxer.net http://www.flxer.net/ Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Mike Moser-Booth mmoserbo...@gmail.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
best comment ever :) M On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Hi Good times if your an Live user, there's Max for Live too- Live is a nice piece of software-used it a few years ago briefly and some friends use it. Not too sure how csound will be implemented in Live but obviously there's csound for Pd ...and there's the thing...Pd offers the same plus more, as you know one could make there 'own' Live type environment from scratch with Pd with some effort. In fact did Live start out as just a big Max patch for sale? That is why dispite the fact I think's it's a nice/effective enviroment for those that choose to use it, but for me it's unconvincing when compared to what you can get from Pd. Just my thoughts! :) On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: best comment ever :) M On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
Looks as a nice combination, Csound for great unique sound designs and Live for quick realtime sketches. Yep, you can do the same with Pd, even with bare C...but Csound is Csound...respect ;) I really don't use Live at all...Csound for Pd is even cooler IMHO. Josep M From: h...@at.or.at To: de...@thesaddj.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:58:48 -0400 CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live Csound will never die. .hc On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] OT: CSound for Live
any thought about this? http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/ -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
