[PD] pdpedia spam reduction idea
Since we don't really use the Talk/Discussion pages, and they seem to be the most spammed, we could just remove them: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add.2Fremove_tabs_throughout_my_wiki.3F .hc If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
On dim, 2008-12-21 at 11:29 -0800, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Olivier Heinry wrote: On jeu, 2008-12-18 at 23:30 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. yes, it would be nice that one the admins protects at least the main page of the mediawiki as Jérôme Abel did on the French version. Works fine and it's just two clicks away. I don't think we have gotten spam on the main page, so it doesn't need to be protected (yet?). As far as I know, wikipedia uses the 'protect' feature as a temporary measure. .hc See for yourself: 15 edits between benjah's last one on 18th and mine tonight http://wiki.puredata.info/mediapool/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Pageaction=history ++ O. .hc On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, -- wrote: Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list - --- kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote: On dim, 2008-12-21 at 11:29 -0800, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Olivier Heinry wrote: On jeu, 2008-12-18 at 23:30 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. yes, it would be nice that one the admins protects at least the main page of the mediawiki as Jérôme Abel did on the French version. Works fine and it's just two clicks away. I don't think we have gotten spam on the main page, so it doesn't need to be protected (yet?). As far as I know, wikipedia uses the 'protect' feature as a temporary measure. .hc See for yourself: 15 edits between benjah's last one on 18th and mine tonight http://wiki.puredata.info/mediapool/index.php? title=Talk:Main_Pageaction=history ++ O. Ah yeah, FYI that link is not the Main Page, but the Talk page for the Main Page, which is technically a different page. And I just realized these are in 'mediapool' section, so I guess we can't say THE main page, since each language has a main page. There was indeed lots of spam there, in fact that page ws only ever spam, it never had content. That's easy to handle, just use the delete tab, it even removes it from the Recent Changes. If a page is only spam, then the delete option is perfect. http://wiki.puredata.info/mediapool/index.php? title=Special:Recentchangeslimit=500days=30 I am not opposed to trying other spam measures. But I do think we should try the built-in tools first. I think IOhannes' sounded worth trying: a captcha only for edits with links in them. Any volunteers to set them up? .hc .hc On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, -- wrote: Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- -- --- kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list - --- Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
On Dec 20, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Olivier Heinry wrote: On jeu, 2008-12-18 at 23:30 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. yes, it would be nice that one the admins protects at least the main page of the mediawiki as Jérôme Abel did on the French version. Works fine and it's just two clicks away. I don't think we have gotten spam on the main page, so it doesn't need to be protected (yet?). As far as I know, wikipedia uses the 'protect' feature as a temporary measure. .hc .hc On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, -- wrote: Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list - --- kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
On jeu, 2008-12-18 at 23:30 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. yes, it would be nice that one the admins protects at least the main page of the mediawiki as Jérôme Abel did on the French version. Works fine and it's just two clicks away. .hc On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, -- wrote: Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. not being a very active wikipedia user, i nevertheless seem to remember that they use captchas (yes indeed) for verification if (and only if- i think) you are adding URLs to a page. this makes spamming sites much less attractive. i know that you are opposed to captchas, but i still think it is a good compromise between not having to create accounts and a reasonable protection against spam. fgmadsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:51 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. not being a very active wikipedia user, i nevertheless seem to remember that they use captchas (yes indeed) for verification if (and only if- i think) you are adding URLs to a page. this makes spamming sites much less attractive. i know that you are opposed to captchas, but i still think it is a good compromise between not having to create accounts and a reasonable protection against spam. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. I think it is hard to argue with wikipedia's practice. .hc fgmadsr IOhannes It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pdpedia spam
Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pdpedia spam
If you switch to forcing users to register in order to edit, then you get spam bots creating user accounts, which are harder to delete. So far, it does not take much work to delete the spam using the mediawiki admin tools (delete, protect, watch, etc.) I am pretty sure that is how it is done on wikipedia. .hc On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, -- wrote: Hi, we are working on french PdPedia and the english version has been spammed today after we cleaned somes pages so would it be possible to allow only registered user to edit on the pdpedia wiki (urgent), and would it be possible to add a captcha to register (maybe later) ? let's fight against bot !!! thanks Benjamin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia spam
I just discovered the protect tab, it allows you to restrict editing per-page. Since the spam so far has only been on a few pages, I tried turning on the protect mode to see if that is a manageable solution. .hc On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:56 AM, marius schebella wrote: hans, no offense, but we agreed on this already a very long time ago. nevertheless you still decided to go with an open version, now it got spammed. not so many people are making changes at the moment, so please turn anonymous editing off. at least for the standard wiki pages that get the spam. marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey, (pdpedia is back and should be stable again) I just checked out Pdpedia, it's getting quite a bit of spam. Shall we close anonymous edits? Anyone have a better idea? .hc - --- The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
