Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Andy Farnell wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100 Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) No way? A or B? I can't stand those wankers from Sirius B with their our star's brighter than yours crap. Or was he a scientologist, where do they come from again? Google for things like were descended from clams and you will find soon enough what the scientologist theory of evolution claims... _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
and even on flickr he is hard to focus on - is that art or science? or is he simply between the layers of focus? neither nearfield nor infinitely distant. only time (or periods, or phases, or whatever term he would be using) will tell. tm On 11/12/2007, at 1:16 AM, beau wrote: He'll be missed, but the music will live on: http://flickr.com/photos/cypod/2094889566/ On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 AM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siriusly though... I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities. Does that really effect the value of their work? By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research and study others. But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive utility. That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho. What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he achieved was in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars of established thought. andy On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100 Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Farnell wrote: Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Andy Farnell wrote: Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. Oh, that happens everywhere. If you're not part of a university or if you're just a student of some prof or if you're just a research assistant of some prof or if you write in a way that doesn't sound as stuck up as usual... in the latter case you might get told to just go the the philosophy department instead. of course, when you get there, the philosophers will wonder why anyone wanted to send you to the philosophy department in the first place. It's sad, for example, that you can't talk about the aesthetics of mathematical proofs without first getting out of your main topic and write something specifically about the aesthetics of mathematical proofs so that you can support a certain way of making proofs that you want to use in your specialty field and that otherwise may look inferior to other proofs under statu-quo aesthetic standards of mathematics. Of course it sounds a lot better if you don't have to cite your own article for supporting yourself. If I were writing in math, perhaps I would have an extensive network of pseudonyms writing in different fields. But then if you're in the middle of your masters then most likely you can't pull that trick and you have to submit yourself to your advisor. In any case, chances are that anyone reading your citation of a philosophical thingie will not bother reading the philosophical article and will not think at all about whether they should change their minds about the corresponding issue, so, in that case, my method of proof would still suck. (this is not all from personal experience, there's a little personal experience and the rest is extrapolation of what would happened if I had stayed 2 or 3 more years in the math dept. I only have a B.Sc. degree.) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
I remember hearing (from my engineering physics 2 prof) that Newton died a virgin and also was an alchemist. I also heard (from my calc prof) that Newton was deathly afraid of falling into the infinitesimal space between his foot and the inside of his shoe. And also that he liked to torture people and wasn't very pleasant. ~Kyle On Dec 11, 2007 7:15 AM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities. Does that really effect the value of their work? -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
Thanks for posting this Chris...it is quite a loss. 2007/12/10, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd mention it. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1ref=obituariesoref=slogin Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Eric Labelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disques Dubearth - www.dubearth.com F_actorvisuals - www.f-actorvisuals.net King Tubby's Heritage Dub Foundation ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
Sad news, This is worth reading and it ties into recent discussions on this list. http://www.music.princeton.edu/~ckk/smmt/scientific.commentary.2.html Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:45:35 + eric labelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting this Chris...it is quite a loss. 2007/12/10, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd mention it. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1ref=obituariesoref=slogin Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Eric Labelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disques Dubearth - www.dubearth.com F_actorvisuals - www.f-actorvisuals.net King Tubby's Heritage Dub Foundation -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
Andy Farnell wrote: Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100 Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) No way? A or B? I can't stand those wankers from Sirius B with their our star's brighter than yours crap. Or was he a scientologist, where do they come from again? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
Siriusly though... I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities. Does that really effect the value of their work? By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research and study others. But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive utility. That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho. What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he achieved was in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars of established thought. andy On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100 Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Farnell wrote: Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RIP Stockhausen
He'll be missed, but the music will live on: http://flickr.com/photos/cypod/2094889566/ On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 AM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siriusly though... I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities. Does that really effect the value of their work? By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps explains his clumbsy explanations due to unwillingness to research and study others. But, whatever you think of the man and his ravings, the work stands on its merits because it confirms hypotheses and has predictive utility. That makes it science. Probably more so than Art imho. What kinda makes him great, but also a bit sad, is what he achieved was in isolation, like many who fall into the cracks between the pillars of established thought. andy On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100 Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Farnell wrote: Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer, but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist. He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise voclabulary hides his contribution to psychoacoustics, he basically provided experimental support to Gabors theories, yet he is not mentioned once in critcal textbooks like McAdams and Bigand. And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all that :-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] RIP Stockhausen
Hi, I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd mention it. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1ref=obituariesoref=slogin Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
