[PD] Tobacco (was: Web Netiquette (was: a book about libpd))
Le 2012-03-09 à 14:26:00, Py Fave a écrit : the problem with cigarettes is being able to make your own. The problem with cigarettes is smoking them. If it were not a problem, then the problem would be to grow them, because if you merely roll them, then you're still buying Drum tobacco and Riz Lacroix (RizLa+) paper from the same company as Gauloises, Gitanes and JPS, for example, which are all readymade, if that's the problem you have with them. But the problem with cigarettes is smoking them. The companies selling them created the lifestyle and encouraged the craving. Basically everybody fell for that. An association of ninety thousand smokers sues tobacco companies over health issues for 23 billion of $ right now. They deposited their request in 1999, and one should wonder why it took that long for the courts to accept launching the trial. In the end, the Cour Supérieure du Québec will start hearing them now. This makes it the largest anti-tobacco trial ever in Canada. http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/justice/344619/le-megaproces-du-tabac http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201203/08/01-4503809-recours-collectif-des-victimes-du-tabac-le-proces-debute-13-ans-plus-tard.php (But this seems extremely underreported in canadian english-language media... you may only guess why that is.) Anyway... what you say has nothing to do with Julian's problem with cigarettes, and neither does what I'm saying now. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tobacco (was: Web Netiquette (was: a book about libpd))
Le 2012-03-09 à 13:45:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : The problem with cigarettes is smoking them. If it were not a problem, then the problem would be to grow them, because if you merely roll them, then you're still buying Drum tobacco and Riz Lacroix (RizLa+) paper from the same company as Gauloises, Gitanes and JPS, for example, which are all readymade, if that's the problem you have with them. (I blew that last sentence : I actually just mean that the same companies produce the readymade cigarettes and the roll-your-own cigarettes, if the problem is who is producing them, what's their policy, or how much of the market they own.) __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tobacco (was: Web Netiquette (was: a book about libpd))
But the problem with cigarettes is smoking them. The companies selling them created the lifestyle and encouraged the craving. Basically everybody fell for that. Yeah one of the biggest cons going. As an ex smoker I can say the hardest thing for me is missing smoking itself. If one never took up the habit to start with, then the feeling of 'missing being able to smoke' would never be felt. It's not the craving per se but missing being able to take 5 minutes out here and there to have cigarette, that stays with you for a while. But saying that it's not that bad..where's my hooka? On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-03-09 à 14:26:00, Py Fave a écrit : the problem with cigarettes is being able to make your own. The problem with cigarettes is smoking them. If it were not a problem, then the problem would be to grow them, because if you merely roll them, then you're still buying Drum tobacco and Riz Lacroix (RizLa+) paper from the same company as Gauloises, Gitanes and JPS, for example, which are all readymade, if that's the problem you have with them. But the problem with cigarettes is smoking them. The companies selling them created the lifestyle and encouraged the craving. Basically everybody fell for that. An association of ninety thousand smokers sues tobacco companies over health issues for 23 billion of $ right now. They deposited their request in 1999, and one should wonder why it took that long for the courts to accept launching the trial. In the end, the Cour Supérieure du Québec will start hearing them now. This makes it the largest anti-tobacco trial ever in Canada. http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/justice/344619/le-megaproces-du-tabac http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201203/08/01-4503809-recours-collectif-des-victimes-du-tabac-le-proces-debute-13-ans-plus-tard.php (But this seems extremely underreported in canadian english-language media... you may only guess why that is.) Anyway... what you say has nothing to do with Julian's problem with cigarettes, and neither does what I'm saying now. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tobacco (was: Web Netiquette (was: a book about libpd))
I've had a horrible debate along these lines before. It's ethics, rather than technology. But does it make you a better person to have beaten an addiction, or a fool for becoming addicted? Would it be right for someone who hasn't been through that experience to have an oppinion on it anyway? (the worst addiction I've had was tetris oh, and pure data) Personally, a bit of all of the above, helps to be positive about the giving up part, anyway. Rather than getting bogged down in an ethical argument so you forget that something positive has happened.. It's probably too late at night for me to be replying to the mailing list... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:14:38 + From: alan.brooker2...@gmail.com To: ma...@artengine.ca CC: Pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Tobacco (was: Web Netiquette (was: a book about libpd)) But the problem with cigarettes is smoking them. The companies selling them created the lifestyle and encouraged the craving. Basically everybody fell for that. Yeah one of the biggest cons going. As an ex smoker I can say the hardest thing for me is missing smoking itself. If one never took up the habit to start with, then the feeling of 'missing being able to smoke' would never be felt. It's not the craving per se but missing being able to take 5 minutes out here and there to have cigarette, that stays with you for a while. But saying that it's not that bad..where's my hooka? On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-03-09 à 14:26:00, Py Fave a écrit : the problem with cigarettes is being able to make your own. The problem with cigarettes is smoking them. If it were not a problem, then the problem would be to grow them, because if you merely roll them, then you're still buying Drum tobacco and Riz Lacroix (RizLa+) paper from the same company as Gauloises, Gitanes and JPS, for example, which are all readymade, if that's the problem you have with them. But the problem with cigarettes is smoking them. The companies selling them created the lifestyle and encouraged the craving. Basically everybody fell for that. An association of ninety thousand smokers sues tobacco companies over health issues for 23 billion of $ right now. They deposited their request in 1999, and one should wonder why it took that long for the courts to accept launching the trial. In the end, the Cour Supérieure du Québec will start hearing them now. This makes it the largest anti-tobacco trial ever in Canada. http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/justice/344619/le-megaproces-du-tabac http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201203/08/01-4503809-recours-collectif-des-victimes-du-tabac-le-proces-debute-13-ans-plus-tard.php (But this seems extremely underreported in canadian english-language media... you may only guess why that is.) Anyway... what you say has nothing to do with Julian's problem with cigarettes, and neither does what I'm saying now. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
