Re: [PD] bonk~
i must have been blind. now i can find it on the listed publications. sorry for the noise. m. Am 25.02.2012 um 19:59 schrieb Miller Puckette: It's on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/icmc98.ps .. the exact URL doesn't appear on the Pd vanilla help file for bonk~, which just points to my home page. cheers Miller On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:26:16PM +0100, Max wrote: Shall i remove the reference to the paper mentioned in the bonk~ helpfile or does it still exist somewhere? m. Am 15.02.2012 um 05:59 schrieb Miller Puckette: .. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in recent versions - I have to check this. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote: Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~
Shall i remove the reference to the paper mentioned in the bonk~ helpfile or does it still exist somewhere? m. Am 15.02.2012 um 05:59 schrieb Miller Puckette: .. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in recent versions - I have to check this. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote: Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~
It's on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/icmc98.ps .. the exact URL doesn't appear on the Pd vanilla help file for bonk~, which just points to my home page. cheers Miller On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:26:16PM +0100, Max wrote: Shall i remove the reference to the paper mentioned in the bonk~ helpfile or does it still exist somewhere? m. Am 15.02.2012 um 05:59 schrieb Miller Puckette: .. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in recent versions - I have to check this. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote: Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~
Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com 01-how-bonk-works.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~
.. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in recent versions - I have to check this. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote: Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~
Another small comment: there's a missing [list-drip] in the patch I just posted. Here's the right one :) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: .. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in recent versions - I have to check this. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote: Hi Joe, When you're searching for a good minvel setting, you should watch the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet. Then play a few sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense of typical velocities. The threshold setting is a little less intuitive. To find the best values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in all frequency bands is changing over time. I made the attached patch to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you. You'll have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which you can get here: http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham joehig...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com 01-how-bonk-works.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] bonk~
Hi @ PD List Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object I'd be most grateful : a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object. b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things a little better but, I haven't really understood the problem, and therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge. Thanks in advance Joe (Higham) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] bonk~ documentation
dear list, miller. looking at the help file for bonk~ i see the reference to the 1998 ICMC proceedings, though i don't find that document on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/publications.html where can i find that paper? additionally i was wondering why bonk~ detects different amounts of attacks when fed with the same soundfile at each time. m. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bonk~ documentation
Le 2012-02-08 à 03:14:00, Max a écrit : additionally i was wondering why bonk~ detects different amounts of attacks when fed with the same soundfile at each time. Because your hop size is bigger than your block size ? Then your beginning of soundfile happens at one of the block boundaries that may occur at different positions inside of the hop boundaries. E.g. for a hop size of 512, and a block size of 64, you have 8 different possible outputs. Is that right ? __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [bonk~] 1.3 error useage [-ntps]...
So do I understand right that, when you simply type bonk~ into an object box without arguments, you're getting the error messages? Also, I'm wondering how your old patches can't find the bonk~ object at all. Could you try this patch: #N canvas 0 0 448 298 10; #X obj 97 65 bonk~; and see what happens? thanks Miller On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 04:54:55PM +0200, Gintaras Lau. wrote: I hope I allowed to attach files this way here and those are the right one. Seems like [bonk~] is dead in patches I made before installation. Even retyping name in an object don't give a change. Newly created objects works well except argument error. Thank you. 2010/1/16 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu Sounds like some argument that was allowed in the old version no longer works in the new one... Could you post the text of the bonk object so I can check it? thanks Miller On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 07:09:50PM +0200, Gintaras Lau. wrote: Hello, I'm a pd Vanilla user and since I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 [bonk~] unusually respond to parameter change (tresh.,mask etc.). It worked on 9.04. On strtup pd outputs: bonk version 1.3 error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] answer appreciated. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [bonk~] 1.3 error useage [-ntps]...
An object is not in a red dashed contour in my patches and your patch creates a bonk objected. Previous situation was rain of bangs no matter what threshold (or other) parameter I set. An old file objects work from now on. I opened a patch retyped object name [bonk~] with no change and wrote to list for help because of expanding changes. After a time opened file works in a previous manner, what means O.K. No magic with arguments yet. The number of error lines in pd console related to number of [bonk~ -ntps#,..] objects that is in a patch. Object with no argument not cause an error to console. Thank you Gintaras 2010/1/16 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: So do I understand right that, when you simply type bonk~ into an object box without arguments, you're getting the error messages? Also, I'm wondering how your old patches can't find the bonk~ object at all. Could you try this patch: #N canvas 0 0 448 298 10; #X obj 97 65 bonk~; and see what happens? thanks Miller On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 04:54:55PM +0200, Gintaras Lau. wrote: I hope I allowed to attach files this way here and those are the right one. Seems like [bonk~] is dead in patches I made before installation. Even retyping name in an object don't give a change. Newly created objects works well except argument error. Thank you. 2010/1/16 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu Sounds like some argument that was allowed in the old version no longer works in the new one... Could you post the text of the bonk object so I can check it? thanks Miller On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 07:09:50PM +0200, Gintaras Lau. wrote: Hello, I'm a pd Vanilla user and since I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 [bonk~] unusually respond to parameter change (tresh.,mask etc.). It worked on 9.04. On strtup pd outputs: bonk version 1.3 error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] answer appreciated. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [bonk~] output
It's a measure of brightness -- the balancing point of the loudness distribution over the filterbang (nominally 11 filters). cheers Miller On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:41:04PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: The current help patch for [bonk~] says the output from the right outlet is the instrument number and a velocity. But there's a third number in the list. What is it? Thanks, Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [bonk~] 1.3 error useage [-ntps]...
Sounds like some argument that was allowed in the old version no longer works in the new one... Could you post the text of the bonk object so I can check it? thanks Miller On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 07:09:50PM +0200, Gintaras Lau. wrote: Hello, I'm a pd Vanilla user and since I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 [bonk~] unusually respond to parameter change (tresh.,mask etc.). It worked on 9.04. On strtup pd outputs: bonk version 1.3 error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] answer appreciated. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [bonk~] 1.3 error useage [-ntps]...
Hello, I'm a pd Vanilla user and since I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 [bonk~] unusually respond to parameter change (tresh.,mask etc.). It worked on 9.04. On strtup pd outputs: bonk version 1.3 error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] error: usage is: bonk [-npts #] [-hop #] [-nsigs #] [-nfilters #] [-halftones #] ... [-overlap #] [-firstbin #] [-spew #] answer appreciated. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [bonk~] output
The current help patch for [bonk~] says the output from the right outlet is the instrument number and a velocity. But there's a third number in the list. What is it? Thanks, Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] bonk~ license issue
Hallo, To Whom It May Concern: bonk~.c in Pd sources prior to version 0.42 has a little license issue. Old versions, e.g. http://tinyurl.com/cz6s95 include this section: 2 (ta...@ucsd.edu). Permission is granted to use this software for any 3 noncommercial purpose. For commercial licensing please contact the UCSD 4 Technology Transfer Office. which obviously is not compatible with pd-extended, Debian etc. This issue is fixed in the current versions of bonk~.c were we find the usual Standard Improved BSD License clause, see e.g.: http://tinyurl.com/ceotxv If you distribute Pd with bonk~, you probably want to update your sources. You get new features, too. Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
