Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-09-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

http://blinky.at.or.at:/


On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Luca wrote:

 temporarily where can I download ubuntu packages of pd-extended 0.43??
 
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-09-11 Thread João Pais
great. do you want me to put this link in puredata.info, or let it be  
until the next real solution is online?




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temporarily where can I download ubuntu packages of pd-extended 0.43??

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-09-10 Thread Luca
temporarily where can I download ubuntu packages of pd-extended 0.43??

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 08/29/2012 03:51 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
 On 08/29/2012 08:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 The quick approach to this would be just to set up an folder that is web
 accessible, say:

 http://puredata.info/auto-build/latest


 any reason to not use http://autobuild.puredata.info/ ?
 i think this would break less links.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

.hc

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 08/30/2012 10:44 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 On 08/29/2012 03:51 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
 On 08/29/2012 08:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 The quick approach to this would be just to set up an folder that is web
 accessible, say:

 http://puredata.info/auto-build/latest

 any reason to not use http://autobuild.puredata.info/ ?
 i think this would break less links.
 Yeah, that's what I meant.

What about making that the permanent home for the uploaded nightly
builds?  I can retrieve the scripts, but basically, there is a script
that makes a folder with today's date and sets the perms so rsync
uploads can write to it.  It also changes the perms on the rest of the
dated folders so they are no longer writable by rsync uploads.

The script that generates the 'latest' folder is a bit more
complicated.  I'll try to get that one of the old
autobuild.puredata.info box.

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2012-08-20 22:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 I've updated the builder matrix for clarity. 
 http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Please correct if any
 mistakes. Right now the greatest need is to re-establish the
 autobuild master as the slaves are virtually useless without a
 master. I guess it would be a relief for Hans if we could do this
 mostly by ourselves. Now, I see that the Jenkins master is up, it
 says it's running on macosx105-i386.pdlab.puredata.info but it's
 not the ip that belongs to the macosx105-i386 slave according to
 the wiki. Anyway, this could be the time to take the step and
 move the autobuild process to Jenkins. But it would take some to
 get everything build there reliably, I guess. Opinions?
 
 I like the idea of trying to decentralize the process more.  We
 could entirely decentralize it and have people just setup a nightly
 build they're interested in, and then have a central location for
 finding people's builds.
 
 If we wanted verifiable decentralized builds, we could go with
 gitian: http://gitian.org/

in the meantime i keep getting requests from people who want to
download something from autobuild.puredata.info, e.g. because they
are using this as the canonical source for pd downloads.

e.g. Pd-extended-0.43.1(beta) is _only_ available via autobuild.p.i,
and therefore it is no longer available at all.


i think we should get a replacement for the download server asap, even
if the build-servers take a bit longer.
what are the space requirements for the autobuild webserver?

i could probably allocate some disk space at iem.

fgasdr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

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On 08/29/2012 03:11 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
 On 2012-08-20 22:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

  I've updated the builder matrix for clarity.
  http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Please correct if any
  mistakes. Right now the greatest need is to re-establish the
  autobuild master as the slaves are virtually useless without a
  master. I guess it would be a relief for Hans if we could do this
  mostly by ourselves. Now, I see that the Jenkins master is up, it
  says it's running on macosx105-i386.pdlab.puredata.info but it's
  not the ip that belongs to the macosx105-i386 slave according to
  the wiki. Anyway, this could be the time to take the step and
  move the autobuild process to Jenkins. But it would take some to
  get everything build there reliably, I guess. Opinions?

  I like the idea of trying to decentralize the process more. We
  could entirely decentralize it and have people just setup a nightly
  build they're interested in, and then have a central location for
  finding people's builds.

  If we wanted verifiable decentralized builds, we could go with
  gitian: http://gitian.org/

 in the meantime i keep getting requests from people who want to
 download something from autobuild.puredata.info, e.g. because they
 are using this as the canonical source for pd downloads.

 e.g. Pd-extended-0.43.1(beta) is _only_ available via autobuild.p.i,
 and therefore it is no longer available at all.


 i think we should get a replacement for the download server asap, even
 if the build-servers take a bit longer.
 what are the space requirements for the autobuild webserver?

 i could probably allocate some disk space at iem.

The quick approach to this would be just to set up an folder that is web
accessible, say:

http://puredata.info/auto-build/latest

then set up an rsyncd to allow uploading from the whitelist build server
IPs.  Currently running still are the 10.6 server in Weimar,
debian-stable-amd64 and debian-testing-amd6 at HfBK, the 10.5/powerpc
server at Sewanee, and the 10.5/Intel machine in NYC.

.hc
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-29 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig

On 08/29/2012 08:23 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



The quick approach to this would be just to set up an folder that is web
accessible, say:

http://puredata.info/auto-build/latest



any reason to not use http://autobuild.puredata.info/ ?
i think this would break less links.

fgmadsr
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 08/25/2012 02:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:

 On 08/24/2012 03:27 PM, András Murányi wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 wrote:

  On 08/21/2012 07:56 AM, Max wrote:

 I just talked to the administration and we can get a dedicated server
 with vm ware for different distros and a disk space of ~50 gb. plus a apple
 ppc machine. the guys from the hackerspace maschinenraum offered their help
 to install.
 m.


 That's a great offer!  I think we really need to think about how to make
 this decentralized, or at the very least take it out of my hands.

 For sure, the ubuntu boxes that I was running are gone for good, so they
 could set up some Ubuntu 32-bit and 64-bit instances.  I find that
 about 9
 gigs is the smallest useful system.

 .hc

 Max's (institution's) offer is great. If the disk space is ~50GB, then,
 according to HC, we can set up ~5 different systems. That's not bad, it
 can
 even be totally enough - other systems would be Mac/PPC anyway. If,
 however, you think the space is too tight, is it possible to throw in
 another HDD? They are cheap and I could take care of setting up some kind
 of Paypal-donations stuff on puredata.info in order to collect the
 money.
 Re decentralization: i was thinking about using the VM server (plus the
 other/private boxes) for slaves only, and setting up a master in the
 cloud.
 There are free Jenkins services out there, I'm just not sure if 1.) you
 like the idea 2.) those free services can be used for master only.
 Additionally, I was thinking about storing the resulting builds on
 another
 cloud service, but that may not be necessary with the ~5GB available
 with a
 free Jenkins service.
 Opinions welcome!

 PS I too a look at Gitian and I had the impression that it has the main
 emphasis on security enforcement whilst usability/features are somewhat
 lagging behind at the moment. So for now, I suggest that we go with
 Jenkins, and try to reinforce authenticity by the means of the master.

 András
 did you mean to CC the list?

 One thing to consider is that with a bit more work, we can build
 Pd-extended for lots of Ubuntu platforms using launchpad.

 .hc


 Yes i meant ccing to the list, sorry!

 Launchpad builds from xyz-dev.deb packages, do I remember it right?

 András



Launchpad builds packages using the full Ubuntu process.  If we made a
pd-extended package, then we can build it for many Ubuntu release, both
i386 and amd64, using the Launchpad servers.

.hc


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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-25 Thread András Murányi
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:

 On 08/24/2012 03:27 PM, András Murányi wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 wrote:
 
   On 08/21/2012 07:56 AM, Max wrote:
 
  I just talked to the administration and we can get a dedicated server
 with vm ware for different distros and a disk space of ~50 gb. plus a apple
 ppc machine. the guys from the hackerspace maschinenraum offered their help
 to install.
 
  m.
 
 
  That's a great offer!  I think we really need to think about how to make
  this decentralized, or at the very least take it out of my hands.
 
  For sure, the ubuntu boxes that I was running are gone for good, so they
  could set up some Ubuntu 32-bit and 64-bit instances.  I find that
 about 9
  gigs is the smallest useful system.
 
  .hc
 
  Max's (institution's) offer is great. If the disk space is ~50GB, then,
  according to HC, we can set up ~5 different systems. That's not bad, it
 can
  even be totally enough - other systems would be Mac/PPC anyway. If,
  however, you think the space is too tight, is it possible to throw in
  another HDD? They are cheap and I could take care of setting up some kind
  of Paypal-donations stuff on puredata.info in order to collect the
 money.
  Re decentralization: i was thinking about using the VM server (plus the
  other/private boxes) for slaves only, and setting up a master in the
 cloud.
  There are free Jenkins services out there, I'm just not sure if 1.) you
  like the idea 2.) those free services can be used for master only.
  Additionally, I was thinking about storing the resulting builds on
 another
  cloud service, but that may not be necessary with the ~5GB available
 with a
  free Jenkins service.
  Opinions welcome!
 
  PS I too a look at Gitian and I had the impression that it has the main
  emphasis on security enforcement whilst usability/features are somewhat
  lagging behind at the moment. So for now, I suggest that we go with
  Jenkins, and try to reinforce authenticity by the means of the master.
 
  András

 did you mean to CC the list?

 One thing to consider is that with a bit more work, we can build
 Pd-extended for lots of Ubuntu platforms using launchpad.

 .hc


Yes i meant ccing to the list, sorry!

Launchpad builds from xyz-dev.deb packages, do I remember it right?

András
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 08/21/2012 07:56 AM, Max wrote:
 I just talked to the administration and we can get a dedicated server with vm 
 ware for different distros and a disk space of ~50 gb. plus a apple ppc 
 machine. the guys from the hackerspace maschinenraum offered their help to 
 install. 

 m.

That's a great offer!  I think we really need to think about how to make
this decentralized, or at the very least take it out of my hands.

For sure, the ubuntu boxes that I was running are gone for good, so they
could set up some Ubuntu 32-bit and 64-bit instances.  I find that about
9 gigs is the smallest useful system.

.hc
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-21 Thread Max
I just talked to the administration and we can get a dedicated server with vm 
ware for different distros and a disk space of ~50 gb. plus a apple ppc 
machine. the guys from the hackerspace maschinenraum offered their help to 
install. 

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 08/16/2012 07:47 PM, András Murányi wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Tilo Kremer p...@dadacafe.org wrote:

 On 08/15/2012 11:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
 main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
 this out today).

 I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
 a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
 wife, and full time work.

 Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
 i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
 image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
 new one from scratch.

 .hc
 For the time that I am working at the Hamburg University of Fine
 Arts, I will continue to run the 64bit debian build boxes.

 I have too few powerpc boxes left to be able to offer more in this
 respect.

 A set of instructions for setting up the build boxes would
 nevertheless be very helpful.

 Thank you for all your effort,

 best wishes,

 Tee


 I've updated the builder matrix for clarity.
 http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Please correct if any mistakes.
 Right now the greatest need is to re-establish the autobuild master as the
 slaves are virtually useless without a master. I guess it would be a relief
 for Hans if we could do this mostly by ourselves.
 Now, I see that the Jenkins master is up, it says it's running on
 macosx105-i386.pdlab.puredata.info but it's not the ip that belongs to the
 macosx105-i386 slave according to the wiki.
 Anyway, this could be the time to take the step and move the autobuild
 process to Jenkins. But it would take some to get everything build there
 reliably, I guess. Opinions?

I like the idea of trying to decentralize the process more.  We could
entirely decentralize it and have people just setup a nightly build
they're interested in, and then have a central location for finding
people's builds.

If we wanted verifiable decentralized builds, we could go with gitian:
http://gitian.org/

.hc

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread Max
i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm at this 
institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also be teaching 
Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.

m.

Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

 how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school with 
 someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
 
 
 Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
 main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
 this out today).
 
 I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
 a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
 wife, and full time work.
 
 Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
 i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
 image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
 new one from scratch.
 
 .hc
 
 
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread András Murányi
Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help. Thanks Max
and thanks Hans (and forza, coraggio with the babies and all the fuss)!

My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in order to
make it less fragile...
1st, I'd like to see more private build machines, even with some
modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds instead of
daily ones...
2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of file
hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files. Authenticity would
be a priority of course.
Just some thoughts.

András

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:

 i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm at
 this institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also be
 teaching Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.

 m.

 Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

  how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school
 with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
 
 
  Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
  main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
  this out today).
 
  I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
  a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
  wife, and full time work.
 
  Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
  i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
  image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
  new one from scratch.
 
  .hc
 
 

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread Greg Pond
I have the machine running the builds for mac ppc in my office. Hans has
been running it remotely from NY. If I should keep it here, I can pass the
access information to whomever can take over the builds.

Greg

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help. Thanks Max
 and thanks Hans (and forza, coraggio with the babies and all the fuss)!

 My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in order
 to make it less fragile...
 1st, I'd like to see more private build machines, even with some
 modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds instead of
 daily ones...
 2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of file
 hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files. Authenticity would
 be a priority of course.
 Just some thoughts.

 András


 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:

 i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm
 at this institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also
 be teaching Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.

 m.

 Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

  how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school
 with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
 
 
  Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
  main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
  this out today).
 
  I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
  a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
  wife, and full time work.
 
  Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main
 server,
  i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
  image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
  new one from scratch.
 
  .hc
 
 


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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread Roman Haefeli
Hi Hans

On Wed, 2012-08-15 at 17:13 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
 main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
 this out today).

Sad to hear that. Many thanks for hosting them for such a long time,
though.

 I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely
 take a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a
 pregnant wife, and full time work.

Good for you!  You really have dedicated a lot of time for the Pd
community in the past. Thanks a lot for all your work on Pd stuff.

 Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main
 server, i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can
 post the image of the current server for downloading, or advise on
 setting up a new one from scratch.

I might be able to help out and host a few OpenVZ virtual machines for
the autobuilds. This wouldn't include Windows and OS X machines, though.
Right now, I can't tell when I will have the resources for helping in
this, but I'll keep the list updated. I also have an interest in having
the autobuilds up and running.

Roman 


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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread Pierre-Olivier Boulant

Hi,

If this is of any use, there is a compile farm here in Toulouse, France.
No hosting, but a great variety of machines to compile on.
http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm

I know the guy running it.

Cheers
Pierre-Olivier


On 16/08/2012 15:41, Greg Pond wrote:
I have the machine running the builds for mac ppc in my office. Hans 
has been running it remotely from NY. If I should keep it here, I can 
pass the access information to whomever can take over the builds.


Greg

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com 
mailto:muran...@gmail.com wrote:


Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help.
Thanks Max and thanks Hans (and forza, coraggio with the babies
and all the fuss)!

My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in
order to make it less fragile...
1st, I'd like to see more private build machines, even with some
modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds
instead of daily ones...
2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of
file hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files.
Authenticity would be a priority of course.
Just some thoughts.

András


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com
mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:

i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server
room. i'm at this institution for two more years, but i hope
my successor will also be teaching Pd, so there might be
continuity after that date.

m.

Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

 how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other
media school with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?


 Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines
there, so the
 main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I
just found
 this out today).

 I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will
likely take
 a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old,
a pregnant
 wife, and full time work.

 Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the
main server,
 i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I
can post the
 image of the current server for downloading, or advise on
setting up a
 new one from scratch.

 .hc




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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread Tilo Kremer
On 08/15/2012 11:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
 main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
 this out today).
 
 I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
 a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
 wife, and full time work.
 
 Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
 i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
 image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
 new one from scratch.
 
 .hc

For the time that I am working at the Hamburg University of Fine
Arts, I will continue to run the 64bit debian build boxes.

I have too few powerpc boxes left to be able to offer more in this
respect.

A set of instructions for setting up the build boxes would
nevertheless be very helpful.

Thank you for all your effort,

best wishes,

Tee

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-16 Thread András Murányi
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Tilo Kremer p...@dadacafe.org wrote:

 On 08/15/2012 11:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
  Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
  main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
  this out today).
 
  I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
  a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
  wife, and full time work.
 
  Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
  i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
  image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
  new one from scratch.
 
  .hc

 For the time that I am working at the Hamburg University of Fine
 Arts, I will continue to run the 64bit debian build boxes.

 I have too few powerpc boxes left to be able to offer more in this
 respect.

 A set of instructions for setting up the build boxes would
 nevertheless be very helpful.

 Thank you for all your effort,

 best wishes,

 Tee


I've updated the builder matrix for clarity.
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Please correct if any mistakes.
Right now the greatest need is to re-establish the autobuild master as the
slaves are virtually useless without a master. I guess it would be a relief
for Hans if we could do this mostly by ourselves.
Now, I see that the Jenkins master is up, it says it's running on
macosx105-i386.pdlab.puredata.info but it's not the ip that belongs to the
macosx105-i386 slave according to the wiki.
Anyway, this could be the time to take the step and move the autobuild
process to Jenkins. But it would take some to get everything build there
reliably, I guess. Opinions?

András
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[PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
this out today).

I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
wife, and full time work.

Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
new one from scratch.

.hc
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

2012-08-15 Thread João Pais
how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school  
with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?




Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
this out today).

I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
wife, and full time work.

Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
new one from scratch.

.hc



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