Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)? Its working now, thanks. Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn repository and one for myself to hack on. cheers, Rich On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did). rich Literally all I did was: - download nightly Pd-devel build - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources - rm -rf bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup .hc Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well. Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and 'pd' (i.e Pd ;) .hc Rich .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?): • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The Wish program will look thru its Frameworks search path to find the frameworks. It something like: - - look Contents/Frameworks - - ~/Library/Frameworks - - /Library/Frameworks - - /System/Library/Frameworks .hc Rich E wrote: Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)? Its working now, thanks. Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn repository and one for myself to hack on. cheers, Rich On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did). rich Literally all I did was: - download nightly Pd-devel build - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources - rm -rf bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup .hc Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well. Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and 'pd' (i.e Pd ;) .hc Rich .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43
(dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version
that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I
don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem.
I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have
access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me
towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this
email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can
be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into
/Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that
means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install.
For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside
the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43
sources:
h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l
/Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/
total 152
lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle,
but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in
Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder
in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like
you did).
rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has
a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end
rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will
work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report
them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk
8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and
here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent
to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within
the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make About Pd a pd patch.
I have some time
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd- devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did). rich Literally all I did was: - download nightly Pd-devel build - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources - rm -rf bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup .hc .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?): • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey Never seen that, screenshot? • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet. • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue? • opening about pd gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable ‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable can't read pd_myversion: no such variable while executing regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3 (procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15) invoked from within ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename (.txt arm line 1) invoked from within switch -- [string tolower [file extension
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did). rich Literally all I did was: - download nightly Pd-devel build - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources - rm -rf bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup .hc Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well. Rich .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?): • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey Never seen that, screenshot? • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet. • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue? • opening about pd gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable ‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable can't read pd_myversion: no such variable while executing regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into / Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did). rich Literally all I did was: - download nightly Pd-devel build - cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources - rm -rf bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po - ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup .hc Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well. Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/ Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and 'pd' (i.e Pd ;) .hc Rich .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?): • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey Never seen that, screenshot? • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet. • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
I finally have a custom build of Tcl/Tk 8.5 Carbon that I can swap with the Tcl/Tk 8.5 Cocoa included with Snow Leopard. This is the source of the problems :) So I'll try to address them one-by-one on the tcl-mac list and spare the pd folks. As of today, building from svn still creates the Apple menu item, I don't know if you had tried to fix this or not yet. One thing I noticed is that building pd with the Carbon Tcl/Tk version gives an about Tcl/Tk menu option in the Wish menu, but this is replaced with the About pd menu item when using Tcl/Tk Carbon - why so? It seems appropriate to have it when Pd can be compiled with different versions of Tcl/Tk and the results can greatly differ. Rich On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: So based on what they said in tcl-mac, we just need to test for 'AppKit' and only do the $mymenu.apple stuff if using Tk Carbon (i.e. no AppKit in [winfo server .] ). I added two new functions for dealing with the special Apple menus: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=12970 .hc On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Rich E wrote: Hello, I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is probably more appropriate there. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not Cocoa)? I built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/Tk 8.5.8/Carbon framework, or any directions on how to build it specifically. I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any bugs, although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays for building Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard. - rich But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Hello,
I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is probably
more appropriate there.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43
(dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version
that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I
don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem.
I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have
access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me
towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this
email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can
be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into
/Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.
How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not Cocoa)? I
built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/Tk 8.5.8/Carbon
framework, or any directions on how to build it specifically.
I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any bugs,
although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays for building
Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard.
- rich
But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make
install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app
then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my
pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l
/Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/
total 152
lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -
/Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has
a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end
rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will
work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report
them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk
8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and
here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent
to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within
the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
} .c{::...
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
So based on what they said in tcl-mac, we just need to test for 'AppKit' and only do the $mymenu.apple stuff if using Tk Carbon (i.e. no AppKit in [winfo server .] ). I added two new functions for dealing with the special Apple menus: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=12970 .hc On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Rich E wrote: Hello, I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is probably more appropriate there. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote: Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things. Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces? Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days. As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email. Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;) Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon? If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not Cocoa)? I built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/ Tk 8.5.8/Carbon framework, or any directions on how to build it specifically. I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any bugs, although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays for building Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard. - rich But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install. For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources: h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/ .hc I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up. -rich On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed. One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote: Hi List, Hans, I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?): • In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey Never seen that, screenshot? • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet. • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue? • opening about pd gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable ‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable can't read pd_myversion: no such variable while executing
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43
(dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version
that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I
don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa,
so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me
towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this
email.
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a
built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end
rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will
work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report
them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk
8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here
are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to
the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the
object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make About Pd a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly
I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help
out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to
be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43
version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working
thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-
devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a
tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements
these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the
problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just
don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it
can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/
Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means
using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running make install.
For development, I just rename a nighly build as Pd-devel.app then
inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-
rewrite/0.43 sources:
h...@palatschinken.at.or.at:src ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/
Contents/Resources/
total 152
lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts - bin/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin - /Users/hans/
code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/
dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/
dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/
dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns
-r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff58 2010-01-05 14:31 po - /Users/hans/
code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/
dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup - /Users/
hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this
Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to
flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that
they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/
$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make About Pd a pd
patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this
Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Wow, strange. Perhaps it thinks the menu item is disabled? Seems
like something to report on tcl-mac.
.hc
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Rich E wrote:
pic of audio dialog on svn compile of pd-gui-rewrite, showing the
gray text
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-
devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a
tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements
these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this
Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to
flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that
they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/
$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make About Pd a pd
patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
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Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Oops, just dug this up, time to go thru them. These two work fine for
me, can't reproduce them. Still happening?
.hc
On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Rich E wrote:
Just found another bug after opening the 'test audio and midi
patch, closing it, and attempting to reopen it:
invalid command name menu_raisenextwindow
invalid command name menu_raisenextwindow
while executing
menu_raisenextwindow
(command bound to event)
I also get this when trying to open the 'Load Meter' patch, or any
other patch via 'open'. Trying to close pd and reopen gives:
ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/
$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
rich
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Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6
has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the
back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa
backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush
out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can
get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/
Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and
preferences
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/
$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make About Pd a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists,
but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
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[PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here
are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to
the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
because it is very light grey
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the
object name
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly I
think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help
out, if needed.
rich
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Re: [PD] pd-gui-rewrite testing
Just found another bug after opening the 'test audio and midi patch,
closing it, and attempting to reopen it:
invalid command name menu_raisenextwindow
invalid command name menu_raisenextwindow
while executing
menu_raisenextwindow
(command bound to event)
I also get this when trying to open the 'Load Meter' patch, or any other
patch via 'open'. Trying to close pd and reopen gives:
ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Rich E reakina...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here
are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to
the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible
because it is very light grey
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with about pd and preferences
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the
object name
• opening about pd gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
‣ an't read pd_myversion: no such variable
can't read pd_myversion: no such variable
while executing
regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3
(procedure ::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext line 15)
invoked from within
::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
(.txt arm line 1)
invoked from within
switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] {
.txt{::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext $dirname/$basename
} .c{::...
(procedure menu_doc_open line 4)
invoked from within
menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt
(menu invoke)
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly I
think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help
out, if needed.
rich
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