[PD] pd-msg redraw after patch clear?
Hi all,I am playing a bit with the pd-msg system, for a dynamic GUI loader I need. Say I have a patch A with a subpatch B in it, with contents displayed, and a subpatch C inside B with contents (a GUI) displayed as well.From patch A I send a [clear( message to B to empty it, and thus be able to load a different patch D instead of C.Weird things happen, not all the GUI elements from C are cleared unless I minimize the window and maximize it. Also, the sliders in C don't seem to work always, or sometimes work but are not visually updated. Maybe this could be fixed somehow, or I am doing something wrong? Thanks in advance!Josep M ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg redraw after patch clear?
hello, it's hard to tell where it get wrong without having a sight of the patch, anyway maybe you should just open/close dynamicaly patches you need instead of trying to draw them as a subpatch - Jeppi Jeppi jepp...@hotmail.com a écrit : Hi all, I am playing a bit with the pd-msg system, for a dynamic GUI loader I need. Say I have a patch A with a subpatch B in it, with contents displayed, and a subpatch C inside B with contents (a GUI) displayed as well. From patch A I send a [clear( message to B to empty it, and thus be able to load a different patch D instead of C. Weird things happen, not all the GUI elements from C are cleared unless I minimize the window and maximize it. Also, the sliders in C don't seem to work always, or sometimes work but are not visually updated. Maybe this could be fixed somehow, or I am doing something wrong? Thanks in advance! Josep M ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
Hallo, Luigi Rensinghoff hat gesagt: // Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: lets say you have an abstraction: transfer.pd inside of that there is the core-math object like exponential_curve or exponential_sigmoid so it would be cool to just send the argument expoential_curve to the abstraction so this object is created.. You can pass object names as arguments as well! So in transfer.pd just use [$1], connect it, and call transfer.pd as [transfer exponential_curve] or [transfer exponential_sigmoid] depending on which mapping you want to use. See attachement for a silly example. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ meta-help.pd Description: application/puredata meta.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the numbers change if you cut everything from patch and paste it back in ?? my impression is that it does not start from zero ?? What if you copy it to a new patch ? then it should start from zero. Well, if you are making these patches PROGRAMMATICALLY, then you can't cut and paste, as there is no way to do that in programming. You might want to open up some abstractions in a text editor, you can see the code that PD uses to create these objects directly. It is very enlightening. cut and paste is possible too. Check out pd-msg for the details. Basically, you need to programmatically draw a box around the around the area to select the objects, then send the cut and paste messages. Well sure i could keep track of thatbut what if i would like to modify an existing patch Can't do it programmatically. You can only add objects to an existing patch, and if it is something that already has existing objects, there is no way to know how many objects are already in a patch. mike It would be non-trivial but possible. You could count the lines in the .pd file with #X obj in them, that would give you the total number of objects. I guess you'd have to count symbolatoms and floatatoms too. .hc -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the numbers change if you cut everything from patch and paste it back in ?? my impression is that it does not start from zero ?? What if you copy it to a new patch ? then it should start from zero. Well, if you are making these patches PROGRAMMATICALLY, then you can't cut and paste, as there is no way to do that in programming. You might want to open up some abstractions in a text editor, you can see the code that PD uses to create these objects directly. It is very enlightening. cut and paste is possible too. Check out pd-msg for the details. Basically, you need to programmatically draw a box around the around the area to select the objects, then send the cut and paste messages. And yes, while this is possible, it just seems very difficult at best, to be able to create a patch and lay it out in such a way that you can make those sorts of selections. LOTS of planning would need to go into such a thing. Well sure i could keep track of thatbut what if i would like to modify an existing patch Can't do it programmatically. You can only add objects to an existing patch, and if it is something that already has existing objects, there is no way to know how many objects are already in a patch. mike It would be non-trivial but possible. You could count the lines in the .pd file with #X obj in them, that would give you the total number of objects. I guess you'd have to count symbolatoms and floatatoms too. You could probably do this by loading the patch into a [textfile] object, if you need to do this programmatically. Mike -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the numbers change if you cut everything from patch and paste it back in ?? my impression is that it does not start from zero ?? What if you copy it to a new patch ? then it should start from zero. Well, if you are making these patches PROGRAMMATICALLY, then you can't cut and paste, as there is no way to do that in programming. You might want to open up some abstractions in a text editor, you can see the code that PD uses to create these objects directly. It is very enlightening. cut and paste is possible too. Check out pd-msg for the details. Basically, you need to programmatically draw a box around the around the area to select the objects, then send the cut and paste messages. And yes, while this is possible, it just seems very difficult at best, to be able to create a patch and lay it out in such a way that you can make those sorts of selections. LOTS of planning would need to go into such a thing. Well sure i could keep track of thatbut what if i would like to modify an existing patch Can't do it programmatically. You can only add objects to an existing patch, and if it is something that already has existing objects, there is no way to know how many objects are already in a patch. mike It would be non-trivial but possible. You could count the lines in the .pd file with #X obj in them, that would give you the total number of objects. I guess you'd have to count symbolatoms and floatatoms too. You could probably do this by loading the patch into a [textfile] object, if you need to do this programmatically. Yup, for an example, check out this one in Pd-extended 0.39.3: Help-Browser-manuals-0.Intro-46.pure_data_files.pd (I just released this is broken in 0.40...) .hc Mike -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
Just curious, but has anyone tried to test the performance differences between sending messages as compared to actually connecting things up with wires? I am curious weather or not one of my patches would work with messages, as I want to instantiate close to 200 oscillators, with each taking about 7 or 8 parameters per grain. Mike On 4/25/08, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 20:09 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote: And yes, while this is possible, it just seems very difficult at best, to be able to create a patch and lay it out in such a way that you can make those sorts of selections. LOTS of planning would need to go into such a thing. What I generally do *if* I'm doing dynamic patching is write as much as possible into an abstraction and just create copies of that. nqpoly4~ may help with automating that. A very useful trick for these abstractions is to avoid doing connections at all and just pass $0 as an argument. Then inside the abstraction, use [r $1-inlet] receivers where $1 is the $0 of the parent as passed as argument instead of inlets, and [s $1-outlet] instead of outlets. Outside of the patch use [s $0-inlet] to write to the fake inlet, and [r $0-outlet] to read from the fake sender outlet. Do the same for signals with r~/s~ and throw~/catch~ pairs. Most dynamic connections can be avoided by this approach. If you need to pass data from one dynamically created abstraction to another, use a similar approach with numbered arguments. Again this can be seen in action in the redesign of nqpoly4~.pd that I once did and that's in svn/pd-extended as well, or in polypoly.pd. this is basically the approach, that probably all dynamic patches from netpd are based on. no connections are created or deleted dynamically (it's just too cumbersome and relies on undocumented features). parts that need to be deleted separately go into their own subpatch, so that they can be deleted simply by sending 'clear' to the appropriate subpatch. however, there _are_ issues, that cannot solved that way. whenever signals are involved with dynamically created abstractions, it's likely to get one-block-delays due to the creation order of the [throw~]s/[catch~]es and [send~]s/[receive~]s. don't know how to deal with that yet. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
Well... not yet...but if you post the patch, or the part with th 200 or more wires... i would test the difference. I am surprised where this discussion is going...many useful tips so far. I personally dont like that $0 $1 confusion somehow, but thats just because i dont remeber what i did when i open the patch many months later or so.. Wires are somehow more haptic and its a part of pd that i like, sort of the typical pd-character, but as in the 24 24 matrix thing - when you have to do more than 100 connections in one patch, then its kind of silly, this weaving so dynamic object creation or just automated connecting seems to be a good way.. To come to a little bit more practical example.. I am facing the problem - again with the mapping library - and this is, where it does not work with abstractions - i would like to have one abstraction with a mapping object inside, but not always the same... i post the example, later - where i am now experimenting with this message-thing basically its like that.. lets say you have an abstraction: transfer.pd inside of that there is the core-math object like exponential_curve or exponential_sigmoid so it would be cool to just send the argument expoential_curve to the abstraction so this object is created.. well...not very clear i guess.. but i will post it later .. What about the route audio~ float - object did nobody ever have the same problem ?? good night luigi Am 26.04.2008 um 00:06 schrieb Mike McGonagle: Just curious, but has anyone tried to test the performance differences between sending messages as compared to actually connecting things up with wires? I am curious weather or not one of my patches would work with messages, as I want to instantiate close to 200 oscillators, with each taking about 7 or 8 parameters per grain. Mike On 4/25/08, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 20:09 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote: And yes, while this is possible, it just seems very difficult at best, to be able to create a patch and lay it out in such a way that you can make those sorts of selections. LOTS of planning would need to go into such a thing. What I generally do *if* I'm doing dynamic patching is write as much as possible into an abstraction and just create copies of that. nqpoly4~ may help with automating that. A very useful trick for these abstractions is to avoid doing connections at all and just pass $0 as an argument. Then inside the abstraction, use [r $1-inlet] receivers where $1 is the $0 of the parent as passed as argument instead of inlets, and [s $1-outlet] instead of outlets. Outside of the patch use [s $0-inlet] to write to the fake inlet, and [r $0- outlet] to read from the fake sender outlet. Do the same for signals with r~/s~ and throw~/catch~ pairs. Most dynamic connections can be avoided by this approach. If you need to pass data from one dynamically created abstraction to another, use a similar approach with numbered arguments. Again this can be seen in action in the redesign of nqpoly4~.pd that I once did and that's in svn/pd-extended as well, or in polypoly.pd. this is basically the approach, that probably all dynamic patches from netpd are based on. no connections are created or deleted dynamically (it's just too cumbersome and relies on undocumented features). parts that need to be deleted separately go into their own subpatch, so that they can be deleted simply by sending 'clear' to the appropriate subpatch. however, there _are_ issues, that cannot solved that way. whenever signals are involved with dynamically created abstractions, it's likely to get one-block-delays due to the creation order of the [throw~]s/[catch~]es and [send~]s/[receive~]s. don't know how to deal with that yet. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd-msg
Hi List there is this well-written tips and tricks folder that desribes how to create objects/abstractions by sending messages. like...in folder #5: 2.create_new_abstract.pd.. First, thanks to who put that together, this is extremely helpful and only documented here... So my question is: Is there a way to find out the indexnumber of the objects (the creation-order-number), that is needed for the | connect a b c d( message ?? The scenario: imagine you build many objects and easily want to connect them with a little counter-like think. 1) How do you find out the number that needs to be given to connect ??? 2) Which additional arguments can be send to which object ?? for example i would like to build a number-box, using the built- in send and recieve mechanism... Is that possible ??? Thanks Luigi ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List there is this well-written tips and tricks folder that desribes how to create objects/abstractions by sending messages. like...in folder #5: 2.create_new_abstract.pd.. First, thanks to who put that together, this is extremely helpful and only documented here... So my question is: Is there a way to find out the indexnumber of the objects (the creation-order-number), that is needed for the Nope, you need to keep track of those yourself. It really shouldn't be all that hard. I have done a couple of things creating patches in this particular way, and I have found that it is a good idea to put the static objects in a patch first, and then anything that is variable would go in next, and then lastly, you wire them up. | connect a b c d( message ?? The scenario: imagine you build many objects and easily want to connect them with a little counter-like think. 1) How do you find out the number that needs to be given to connect ??? Each object is referenced in the order in which they are added to the patch. 2) Which additional arguments can be send to which object ?? Not really sure what you mean here, but the string used to create the object should have everything it needs to create that instance. As far as I know, once you add an object to a patch, the only thing you can do with it is to pass its index to a connect message. for example i would like to build a number-box, using the built- in send and recieve mechanism... Is that possible ??? Yes, you just need to set those arguments when you add the objects to the patch. I am not really sure where it is, but there is a listing of each of the objects in PD and what arguments they can handle. Hope this helped. Mike Thanks Luigi ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-msg
Yes, you just need to set those arguments when you add the objects to the patch. I am not really sure where it is, but there is a listing of each of the objects in PD and what arguments they can handle. Oh yes i found it its just in the properties menu of the object - silly me Hope this helped. Mike Thanks Luigi ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
