[PD] pd arduino
Hi, I found some patches with arduino card like an emulator (i am on ubuntu) it looks like mac, but I forget the name of this arduino-pd example ? I am looking for hours to try to find it back but disappeared complety I am sorry because I haven't much explanation but maybe someone can understand what I mean ? I am a beginner :) Kind regards Henri ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd arduino
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-06-11 09:34, ais...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I found some patches with arduino card like an emulator (i am on ubuntu) it looks like mac, but I forget the name of this arduino-pd example ? I am looking for hours to try to find it back but disappeared complety I am sorry because I haven't much explanation but maybe someone can understand what I mean ? could you re-phrase the question? i'm not sure i understand what you are looking for. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/VqF8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRoYwCg6kk7DLNCYRvGTP70cHWGmcTQ bSgAnjNNDjpGGEdRH6FnzbMShhKBfxj+ =1/tH -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd arduino
Le 11/06/2012 10:12, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-06-11 09:34, ais...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I found some patches with arduino card like an emulator (i am on ubuntu) it looks like mac, but I forget the name of this arduino-pd example ? I am looking for hours to try to find it back but disappeared complety I am sorry because I haven't much explanation but maybe someone can understand what I mean ? could you re-phrase the question? i'm not sure i understand what you are looking for. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/VqF8ACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRoYwCg6kk7DLNCYRvGTP70cHWGmcTQ bSgAnjNNDjpGGEdRH6FnzbMShhKBfxj+ =1/tH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Thanks for your answers :) I just found the mac version of what I am looking for in linux : http://fr.flossmanuals.net/puredata/ch047_arduino-et-pd (I hope en.floss... exists ?) I want to see the arduino card (as an image), I found it for linux but can't remember where ? I guess it's in pduino... I am searching ! Sorry I am not english so forgive my bad explaination. Maybe an osc_msg.pd like ? Kind regards, Henri ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Hi Kyle, For an installation for the LAC 2008 I used a Midibox (http://www.ucapps.de/) with a special custom digital output controller (with optocouplers and power transistors) to control up to 64 (I used 48) 3W power leds. I used Pd to control that over MIDI, and I added to the Midibox firmware the posibility to use PWM to control the leds bright. I'm terrible sorry to Frank Barknecht and Martin Rumori about my still pending documentation, as the last year I was in a hurry between several projects... But I still want to do it, so... I can start with the hardware part, that I'll try to do on the next week, but anyway, if I can help you with something specific just write me. Basically, with an Arduino you could do the same, you just need some power /isolation (to use an external power device for the leds) interface. Well, I'll send the link when I'll publish the circuit. Best regards, Natanael. El 01/15/2009 06:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz escribió: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Hey Kyle Sounds like a really cool project. Are you sure you need any special hardware at all? You could use the PWM out from the arduino and a transistor for each set of LEDs you want to control then build an array. A friend just showed me this ridiculously cool site: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz I'm talking like I've done this before, but really I'm only part way through a similar process, so maybe it's all totally wrong:) Anyway, hope it helps. cheers dafydd On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kylek...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
--- Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com schrieb am Do, 15.1.2009: Von: Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation? An: pd-list@iem.at Datum: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009, 15:12 Hey Kyle Sounds like a really cool project. Are you sure you need any special hardware at all? You could use the PWM out from the arduino and a transistor for each set of LEDs you want to control then build an array. A friend just showed me this ridiculously cool site: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz I'm talking like I've done this before, but really I'm only part way through a similar process, so maybe it's all totally wrong:) Anyway, hope it helps. i think, i'd do it the same way. i've done it before, but not in that large scale. Of course, one could purchase an expensive professional coloured Ligthing-LED-System with very expensive dimmable power supply units and sophisticated control-protocols such as DMX or DALI or whatsoever, but when not being afraid of a little soldering, you could achieve pretty much the same with anarduino, a handful of electronic pieces and plain LEDs from your local electronic store. actually, when using an arduino it is pretty straightforward to do something like that. i wouldn't use common transistor fors driving the LEDs. i'd rather go for MOS-FET transistors. you could drive a whole bunch of LEDs with one MOS-FET and they draw nearly no current from the arduino digitalOut. also, as long as you work with low-voltage, you don't necessarily need de-coupling such as opto-coupler or so. roman On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kylek...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Hi, I got 32 channels of PWM using two tlc5940 connected to several uln2003. Actually i found someone had a circuit diagram too. Here we go. If you dont ever have all 100 on this might work using some multiplexing too. There is a library for arduino written for this chip. I can send you the code i used if you go this route. Nicky inline: circuit.png On 15 Jan 2009, at 14:39, Roman Haefeli wrote: --- Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com schrieb am Do, 15.1.2009: Von: Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation? An: pd-list@iem.at Datum: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009, 15:12 Hey Kyle Sounds like a really cool project. Are you sure you need any special hardware at all? You could use the PWM out from the arduino and a transistor for each set of LEDs you want to control then build an array. A friend just showed me this ridiculously cool site: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz I'm talking like I've done this before, but really I'm only part way through a similar process, so maybe it's all totally wrong:) Anyway, hope it helps. i think, i'd do it the same way. i've done it before, but not in that large scale. Of course, one could purchase an expensive professional coloured Ligthing-LED-System with very expensive dimmable power supply units and sophisticated control-protocols such as DMX or DALI or whatsoever, but when not being afraid of a little soldering, you could achieve pretty much the same with anarduino, a handful of electronic pieces and plain LEDs from your local electronic store. actually, when using an arduino it is pretty straightforward to do something like that. i wouldn't use common transistor fors driving the LEDs. i'd rather go for MOS-FET transistors. you could drive a whole bunch of LEDs with one MOS-FET and they draw nearly no current from the arduino digitalOut. also, as long as you work with low-voltage, you don't necessarily need de-coupling such as opto-coupler or so. roman On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kylek...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Ayah Bdeir used an Arduino with a custom Firmata firmware to run a shift register and a matrix of LEDs. The code and the circuit is here: http://www.makingthingsmove.org/blog/ A little bit of work needs to be done to add shift register support to the Pd side of Firmata (Pduino), but I'd be happy to do it if you'll use it. Its already on my todo list. .hc On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54 ). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Blinkm ( http://thingm.com/products/blinkm ) also work well since you control them over i2c thus simplifying wiring, but there more expensive then a standard led. Nils Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite (http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Thanks so much everyone for your prompt replies! This is going to be a quick job, the opening is the 2nd Friday of February. It's a group project and many in the group are hesitant to use LED's. The requirement is to have it be task lighting but also low-light. The gallery is not huge, I'd say about 1000-1500 square feet. Could this be accomplished with LED's? How many should I use. Also, are there any other ways of doing this, using lighting other than LED? Thanks so much for your replies, I'm a newbie at lighting-design so I'm a bit nervous about coming through with an elegant solution for this project! ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd, Arduino, and Multiple LED's == Installation?
Hello Listers~ I'm working on an art gallery installation and I want to use Pd to control some high-powered LED's via an Arduino unit. The breakdown is this: I need to create a series of RGB LED's that will provide accent illumination to the gallery space, and shifts from red to blue over a course of 6 weeks. The program isn't very difficult to write. I've already decided to link it to the system date/time so that the installation can be powered down easily at night. What's tricky is knowing what hardware to use and how to get it together. I am going to want between 25-100 lights at minimum, possibly more. I've looked at a few sites and links already, especially the Arduino site. They have some things related to DMX lights, and this is something I've seen a bit on the list as well. I don't know if this is a good solution or if it is overkill for what I want to do. One piece of hardware that seems promising is the ShiftBrite ( http://www.macetech.com/blog/node/54). Does anyone know about this? I know this might be considered off-topic, but I'd really appreciate it if any seasoned veterans could throw me some tips. I'll be exploring other areas, but I know there are some honed brains skimming these emails so maybe they can drop some science on me. Thanks in advance, ~Kyle -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD, arduino and sharp range detectors
Hi All, We are having trouble with a PD - Arduino - Sharp IR gp2d12 IR range sensor. everything works for a while, then the arduino just stops and sometimes takes PD down with it. once we had a warning from the OS that there was too much current being sucked on the USB port. we are using three such things, each uses typically 33 and up to 50 mA. This should (according to the Arduino and USB specs) not be too much, but perhaps these are wrong. Any other ideas? I have heard of people using smoothing capacitors on the sharp sensors. Hmm, puzzled in Linz, Tim ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD, arduino and sharp range detectors
Tim Boykett wrote: We are having trouble with a PD - Arduino - Sharp IR gp2d12 IR range sensor. everything works for a while, then the arduino just stops and sometimes takes PD down with it. once we had a warning from the OS that there was too much current being sucked on the USB port. we are using three such things, each uses typically 33 and up to 50 mA. This should (according to the Arduino and USB specs) not be too much, but perhaps these are wrong. I have built a circuit with six of those sensors on an Arduino Diecimila, it worked fine with external power, but I didn't even try it with USB power because for me 50mA is too much. (At first it crashed sporadically because I was sending too much data through the serial port.) The actual USB port you are using may not be able to supply that much current even if the USB circuit is able to handle it. If it only happens occasionally it's probably because the sensors sometimes pull more than the average current, so a ~100uF capacitor on the power pins would help, but you should really use a separate power supply for the sensors, or just power the entire Arduino externally. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD, arduino and sharp range detectors
that seems to be the case! thanks tim On 30 Oct 2008, at 17:41, Martin Peach wrote: Tim Boykett wrote: We are having trouble with a PD - Arduino - Sharp IR gp2d12 IR range sensor. everything works for a while, then the arduino just stops and sometimes takes PD down with it. once we had a warning from the OS that there was too much current being sucked on the USB port. we are using three such things, each uses typically 33 and up to 50 mA. This should (according to the Arduino and USB specs) not be too much, but perhaps these are wrong. I have built a circuit with six of those sensors on an Arduino Diecimila, it worked fine with external power, but I didn't even try it with USB power because for me 50mA is too much. (At first it crashed sporadically because I was sending too much data through the serial port.) The actual USB port you are using may not be able to supply that much current even if the USB circuit is able to handle it. If it only happens occasionally it's probably because the sensors sometimes pull more than the average current, so a ~100uF capacitor on the power pins would help, but you should really use a separate power supply for the sensors, or just power the entire Arduino externally. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/arduino pwm servo motor
On Oct 21, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Martin Peach wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David NG McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I can see that if you tried software PWM through pins 9-11 it wouldn't be any different than using any of the other digital pins. But I thought that pins 9-11 did hardware PWM through the analogWrite() function in the regular Arduino C. Am I wrong on this? I don't know. I don't have an Arduino, I'm trying to make something with a PIC that emulates the Arduino running Firmata. Do you mean that hardware PWM on those pins hasn't yet been implemented with Firmata? That's what I meant. Also that software PWM has not been implemented with Firmata either AFAIK. Hardware PWM is implemented and functional on the lastest firmata/ pduino release. Software PWM and pulseOut are still lacking. Once one/both of those are implemented, servo control will be possible. Any volunteers? Ah I see, the hardware PWM function is called analogWrite in Wiring. My calculations based on a 16MHz arduino clock and the arduino firmware at : http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/arduino/trunk/targets/arduino/ wiring.c suggest that the hardware pwm is running at 490Hz. Anyone know if this is the case? If so, this should work for DC motors but is too fast for servos and too slow for audio. The Atmel ATMEGA8 has a 30kHz hardware PWM, so it'll do audio too. But yes, its wy too fast for servos. It could be used as an 8-bit DAC if a lowpass filter is placed on the output, something like a 10k resistor feeding a 0.1uF capacitor: pwm/\/\/\+---filtered 10k | = 0.1uF | gnd As for software PWM it would work best if you had access to the timer interrupts, which would have to occur at the granularity of the pwm (for servos, 1/256 ms ~ 4us). I can see how to do it by directly writing assembly code but in the context of the Wiring environment I'm not sure... There are timer interrupts available. They are not documented in the Wiring stuff, but the Wiring code is literally just C++, so you can use the standard calls. I haven't touched that yet though... .hc The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list