Re: [PD] questions about PD-extended 0.43 build on Mac (GUI-oriented)
On Dec 31, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Scott R. Looney wrote: You can make your own object category menu using the attached category_menu plugin. Edit menutree.tcl to customize your layout. You can find out more about what you can do with plugins here: http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins 2. also read about key bindings-VERY interested in this as i have some RSI issues and shortcuts would be helpful for common tasks. You can just put the bind statements into a text file, name it mybindings-plugin.tcl. Read thru Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/tcl/pd_bindings.tcl (inside the app) to see the default bindings. There is an experimental 'quick bindings' plugin which lets you do more, but its rough. using a tiny tiny bit of programming in a plugin, you can do a ton of customization. Here's some example plugins: thanks a bunch for these Hans-Christoph! i've been looking at the tcl pd_bindings file a bit earlier today. seems relatively straightforward to bind a key to an object, although which objects can be selected and their exact assumed path seems fuzzy to me. for example 'bng' in the tcl file (Bang) is listed as 'bng.pd_darwin' in pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/vanilla folder. is this the object folder referred to by pd_bindings.tcl? more importantly, if i wanted to create my own key binding to say, a cyclone library object like biquad~, is the search path universal so that the app looks for a file called 'biquad~.pd_darwin' in whatever folder it needs? as for the context menu, i would be defining both the category and individual elements in menutree.tcl myself, right? so i define categories like 'timing' 'math' and so on, and 'a1 b2', etc becomes the named PD objects like 'counter line'. and we assume PD will search for them in the same manner as the key bindings? i like the idea of creating a local PD folder to put scripts in so that updates don't overwrite the scripts. makes updating both convenient and more stable, though of course the GUI scripts themselves may need to be altered to accomodate future changes. In case you didn't already see this, it also applies to GUI plugins: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files .hc Its more alpha/beta than experimental. It should be ready for real work but I am sure people will still find bugs. although it's early, i'm quite happy so far with what's already being done with PD-extended, i think it's looking quite good and it's nice to know i can get a certain amount of object similarity with Max/MSP. thanks to you and rest of the developers for your hard work! i think PD is really growing up in terms of user-friendliness. scott I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] questions about PD-extended 0.43 build on Mac (GUI-oriented)
You can make your own object category menu using the attached category_menu plugin. Edit menutree.tcl to customize your layout. You can find out more about what you can do with plugins here: http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins 2. also read about key bindings-VERY interested in this as i have some RSI issues and shortcuts would be helpful for common tasks. You can just put the bind statements into a text file, name it mybindings-plugin.tcl. Read thru Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/tcl/pd_bindings.tcl (inside the app) to see the default bindings. There is an experimental 'quick bindings' plugin which lets you do more, but its rough. using a tiny tiny bit of programming in a plugin, you can do a ton of customization. Here's some example plugins: thanks a bunch for these Hans-Christoph! i've been looking at the tcl pd_bindings file a bit earlier today. seems relatively straightforward to bind a key to an object, although which objects can be selected and their exact assumed path seems fuzzy to me. for example 'bng' in the tcl file (Bang) is listed as 'bng.pd_darwin' in pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/vanilla folder. is this the object folder referred to by pd_bindings.tcl? more importantly, if i wanted to create my own key binding to say, a cyclone library object like biquad~, is the search path universal so that the app looks for a file called 'biquad~.pd_darwin' in whatever folder it needs? as for the context menu, i would be defining both the category and individual elements in menutree.tcl myself, right? so i define categories like 'timing' 'math' and so on, and 'a1 b2', etc becomes the named PD objects like 'counter line'. and we assume PD will search for them in the same manner as the key bindings? i like the idea of creating a local PD folder to put scripts in so that updates don't overwrite the scripts. makes updating both convenient and more stable, though of course the GUI scripts themselves may need to be altered to accomodate future changes. Its more alpha/beta than experimental. It should be ready for real work but I am sure people will still find bugs. although it's early, i'm quite happy so far with what's already being done with PD-extended, i think it's looking quite good and it's nice to know i can get a certain amount of object similarity with Max/MSP. thanks to you and rest of the developers for your hard work! i think PD is really growing up in terms of user-friendliness. scott ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] questions about PD-extended 0.43 build on Mac (GUI-oriented)
hey folks, new PD user here, coming from Max 5 on a Mac and trying to rewrite my patch in PD. i read about the new .43 branch builds of pd-extended and how they had a few usability improvements over the older branches. so far i've downloaded the 12/21 and 12/30 builds of pd-extended for Mac. i'll have lots of questions but for now these will suffice: 1. is there a way to get the right click context menu for objects working in .43 on the Mac? i read that a GUI plugin is responsible for this, but it seems it should be included in this extended build. 2. also read about key bindings-VERY interested in this as i have some RSI issues and shortcuts would be helpful for common tasks. 3. is there a way to edit GUI characteristics (global font size, key bindings,etc) by changing some items in a config text file? i've read that the rewrite uses Tcl/Tk but i'm not really a programmer though i can edit and modify simple CSS or PHP scripts. 4. lastly - i know the 0.43 branch is considered experimental, but if there's a relatively stable .43 Mac build somewhere that could be recommended it would be appreciated. the Dec 21 build is OK though right-clicking to get Properties or Help lags a lot. thanks in advance, scott ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] questions about PD-extended 0.43 build on Mac (GUI-oriented)
From: Scott R. Looney scottrloo...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:40 PM Subject: [PD] questions about PD-extended 0.43 build on Mac (GUI-oriented) hey folks, new PD user here, coming from Max 5 on a Mac and trying to rewrite my patch in PD. i read about the new .43 branch builds of pd-extended and how they had a few usability improvements over the older branches. so far i've downloaded the 12/21 and 12/30 builds of pd-extended for Mac. i'll have lots of questions but for now these will suffice: 1. is there a way to get the right click context menu for objects working in .43 on the Mac? i read that a GUI plugin is responsible for this, but it seems it should be included in this extended build. I thought that plugin was somewhere on puredata.info, but I can't find it there when I search for it. 2. also read about key bindings-VERY interested in this as i have some RSI issues and shortcuts would be helpful for common tasks. Most of these should be listed to the right of the option in the menu. For example, click the Put menu in a patch and you'll find the shortcut for creating an object is Control-1. 3. is there a way to edit GUI characteristics (global font size, key bindings,etc) by changing some items in a config text file? i've read that the rewrite uses Tcl/Tk but i'm not really a programmer though i can edit and modify simple CSS or PHP scripts. Global font size is saved per canvas. Click the Edit menu, then choose Font to bring up the font dialog. There's no way to change key bindings from within Pd, but they can be found in pd_bindings.tcl. 4. lastly - i know the 0.43 branch is considered experimental, but if there's a relatively stable .43 Mac build somewhere that could be recommended it would be appreciated. the Dec 21 build is OK though right-clicking to get Properties or Help lags a lot. thanks in advance, scott ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
