Re: [PD] reverb in pd
Samplicity have since created a more thorough set of 'true stereo' impulses of the M7 than Acousticas. Follow the link in this post... http://chopstickkk.posterous.com/free-true-stereo-bricasti-m7-reverb-impulses And to quote Samplicity's site - 'This library is completely FREE, to comply with the request from Bricasti that it is allowed to create impulse responses with the M7, as long as these IRs are not included in any commercial product.' As Chris pointed out, IR's inherently miss out on the time domain effects of the machines, but these are definitely some of the nicest impulses out there to my ears, free or not! John. --- On Wed, 17/8/11, William Brent wrote: > From: William Brent > Subject: Re: [PD] reverb in pd > To: "chris clepper" > Cc: "saint" , "pd list" > Date: Wednesday, 17 August, 2011, 20:47 > All good to know - thanks for the > response! > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:08 PM, chris clepper > wrote: > > They did not have permission to make those IRs, but > Casey from Bricasti > > informally said they were fine to use since they are > not really close to the > > actual unit. Static IRs don't capture the modulation > and randomization in > > high end reverb units (Lexicon PCM, Eventide, > Bricasti) so you don't get the > > parts of the algorithm you pay big bucks for. That > is incidentally the main > > difference between the reverb in a sub-$200 Lexi or TC > and one costing 10x > > that! > > > > Plate reverbs can be pretty accurately captured and > the IR takes up a lot > > less space than an EMT 140. The commercial plugins > like Altiverb have much > > better samples than the freebies unfortunately. > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM, William Brent > > wrote: > >> > >> Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I > downloaded these IRs when > >> they were available and am wondering if they're > definitely 100% free > >> and open for any use. I have students that would > want to work with > >> them, but don't want to officially recommend that > and pass the .zip on > >> unless I can be sure there are no copyright > issues. > >> > >> Does the original poster or anyone else know about > these details? > >> > >> (btw, the link is now dead) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:01 AM, saint > wrote: > >> > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works > excellently. > >> > > >> > arm yourself with the free acousticas > IR's... > >> > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip > >> > > >> > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... > >> > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html > >> > > >> > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic > reverbs again. > >> > > >> > or just get some balloons and record your > own! > >> > > >> > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas > have gone out of business. > >> > took me a few attempts to check but the link > is working.) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ > >> > Pd-list@iem.at > mailing list > >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> William Brent > >> www.williambrent.com > >> > >> “Great minds flock together” > >> Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st > century > >> > >> www.conflations.com > >> > >> ___ > >> Pd-list@iem.at > mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > -- > William Brent > www.williambrent.com > > “Great minds flock together” > Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century > > www.conflations.com > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
All good to know - thanks for the response! On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:08 PM, chris clepper wrote: > They did not have permission to make those IRs, but Casey from Bricasti > informally said they were fine to use since they are not really close to the > actual unit. Static IRs don't capture the modulation and randomization in > high end reverb units (Lexicon PCM, Eventide, Bricasti) so you don't get the > parts of the algorithm you pay big bucks for. That is incidentally the main > difference between the reverb in a sub-$200 Lexi or TC and one costing 10x > that! > > Plate reverbs can be pretty accurately captured and the IR takes up a lot > less space than an EMT 140. The commercial plugins like Altiverb have much > better samples than the freebies unfortunately. > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM, William Brent > wrote: >> >> Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I downloaded these IRs when >> they were available and am wondering if they're definitely 100% free >> and open for any use. I have students that would want to work with >> them, but don't want to officially recommend that and pass the .zip on >> unless I can be sure there are no copyright issues. >> >> Does the original poster or anyone else know about these details? >> >> (btw, the link is now dead) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:01 AM, saint wrote: >> > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. >> > >> > arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... >> > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip >> > >> > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... >> > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html >> > >> > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. >> > >> > or just get some balloons and record your own! >> > >> > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. >> > took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> William Brent >> www.williambrent.com >> >> “Great minds flock together” >> Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century >> >> www.conflations.com >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
They did not have permission to make those IRs, but Casey from Bricasti informally said they were fine to use since they are not really close to the actual unit. Static IRs don't capture the modulation and randomization in high end reverb units (Lexicon PCM, Eventide, Bricasti) so you don't get the parts of the algorithm you pay big bucks for. That is incidentally the main difference between the reverb in a sub-$200 Lexi or TC and one costing 10x that! Plate reverbs can be pretty accurately captured and the IR takes up a lot less space than an EMT 140. The commercial plugins like Altiverb have much better samples than the freebies unfortunately. On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM, William Brent wrote: > Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I downloaded these IRs when > they were available and am wondering if they're definitely 100% free > and open for any use. I have students that would want to work with > them, but don't want to officially recommend that and pass the .zip on > unless I can be sure there are no copyright issues. > > Does the original poster or anyone else know about these details? > > (btw, the link is now dead) > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:01 AM, saint wrote: > > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. > > > > arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... > > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip > > > > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... > > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html > > > > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. > > > > or just get some balloons and record your own! > > > > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. > took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > -- > William Brent > www.williambrent.com > > “Great minds flock together” > Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century > > www.conflations.com > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I downloaded these IRs when they were available and am wondering if they're definitely 100% free and open for any use. I have students that would want to work with them, but don't want to officially recommend that and pass the .zip on unless I can be sure there are no copyright issues. Does the original poster or anyone else know about these details? (btw, the link is now dead) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:01 AM, saint wrote: > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. > > arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip > > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html > > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. > > or just get some balloons and record your own! > > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. took > me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
Hi, yes it did work! Thanks for your explanation. Do you know why they made these IRs available for free? Cheers, Pierre 2010/10/24 saint > Hi Pierre, > > I'm not exactly the best to answer this but seeing as nobody else will I'll > give it a go! > > I believe the 'partitioned' part of the phrase refers to the fact that the > impulse response is is split up and then convolved in sections, with > appropriate delays added to each resulting chunk of sound when mixed back > in, making it easier and quicker for the CPU to process. > > There's a good explanation here - > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~torger/brutefir.html#bruteconv<http://www.ludd.luth.se/%7Etorger/brutefir.html#bruteconv> > > I hope that Bricasti link worked for you! > > > Cheers, > > John. > > --- On Thu, 21/10/10, Pierre Massat wrote: > > From: Pierre Massat > > Subject: Re: [PD] reverb in pd > To: "saint" > Cc: "pd list" > Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 21:04 > > This is awesome! Strickly so. Thanks! > > How does partitioned convolution work? > > Pierre > > 2010/10/21 saint > > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. > > > > arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... > > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip > > > > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... > > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html > > > > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. > > > > or just get some balloons and record your own! > > > > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. > took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
Hi Pierre, I'm not exactly the best to answer this but seeing as nobody else will I'll give it a go! I believe the 'partitioned' part of the phrase refers to the fact that the impulse response is is split up and then convolved in sections, with appropriate delays added to each resulting chunk of sound when mixed back in, making it easier and quicker for the CPU to process. There's a good explanation here - http://www.ludd.luth.se/~torger/brutefir.html#bruteconv I hope that Bricasti link worked for you! Cheers, John. --- On Thu, 21/10/10, Pierre Massat wrote: From: Pierre Massat Subject: Re: [PD] reverb in pd To: "saint" Cc: "pd list" Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 21:04 This is awesome! Strickly so. Thanks! How does partitioned convolution work? Pierre 2010/10/21 saint +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. or just get some balloons and record your own! (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
saint wrote: +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. or just get some balloons and record your own! Or even better use Fons' great application Aliki: http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/ lac.zkm.de/2006/papers/lac2006_fons_adriaensen_01.pdf best, P. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
This is awesome! Strickly so. Thanks! How does partitioned convolution work? Pierre 2010/10/21 saint > +1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. > > arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... > http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip > > of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... > http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html > > ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. > > or just get some balloons and record your own! > > (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. > took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
+1 on ben saylor's partconv~ - works excellently. arm yourself with the free acousticas IR's... http://www.acousticas.net/World/IRs/AcousticasM7.zip of the $3,500 bricasti m7 unit... http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html ...and you'll not go back to algorithmic reverbs again. or just get some balloons and record your own! (grab those IR's soon as it seems acousticas have gone out of business. took me a few attempts to check but the link is working.) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
On 20/10/10 16:20, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, ronni montoya wrote: Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound better. Any idea? I'm still pretty much just using [delread~] and [vd~], with multipliers like [*~ 0.95] and [*~ -0.95] for example... afair, natural echo is modelled by a negative multiplier. each 30 centimetres span needs 1 ms. don't forget that if one delay is less than a block size you need a subpatch and [block~]. A while ago I made a reverb with 16 delay lines using iemmatrix and lua (and possibly other externals), the concept was "4D room simulation" or something along those lines - not sure how accurate my maths was but it sounds nice to my ears...: svn co https://code.goto10.org/svn/maximus/2008/hverb/ http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org/feed/media/ClaudiusMaximus_-_HyperShoeBoxen.ogg http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org/feed/media/ClaudiusMaximus_-_Corridor_Pacing.ogg Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
I like Anton Hörnquist's [jon~], "a reverb abstraction based on the algorithm in this article by Jon Dattorro: http://www.stanford.edu/~dattorro/EffectDesignPart1.pdf " IMO, it is easy to use and sounds very good. Here's the link: http://www.hornquist.se/pd/jon Matt Logan On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, ronni montoya wrote: > > Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was >> wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound >> better. Any idea? >> > > I'm still pretty much just using [delread~] and [vd~], with multipliers > like [*~ 0.95] and [*~ -0.95] for example... afair, natural echo is modelled > by a negative multiplier. each 30 centimetres span needs 1 ms. don't forget > that if one delay is less than a block size you need a subpatch and > [block~]. > > ___ > | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray, Montréal, QC > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, ronni montoya wrote: Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound better. Any idea? I'm still pretty much just using [delread~] and [vd~], with multipliers like [*~ 0.95] and [*~ -0.95] for example... afair, natural echo is modelled by a negative multiplier. each 30 centimetres span needs 1 ms. don't forget that if one delay is less than a block size you need a subpatch and [block~]. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
There's Ben Saylor's partconv~ which does some fancy convolving. It's in the browser in PD-Extended. p On 20/10/2010 09:26, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: ronni montoya wrote: Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound better. Any idea? I find [rev2~] and [rev3~] in extended pretty interesting. If you're on linux and have ladspa C* JVRev is also nice... but much depends on what you want to do and, of course, personal taste. Lorenzo Thanks R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] reverb in pd
ronni montoya wrote: Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound better. Any idea? I find [rev2~] and [rev3~] in extended pretty interesting. If you're on linux and have ladspa C* JVRev is also nice... but much depends on what you want to do and, of course, personal taste. Lorenzo Thanks R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] reverb in pd
Hello, i was trying freeverb in pd and i dont like how it sounds. I was wondering if there are any other reverb objects or externals that sound better. Any idea? Thanks R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
