Re: [PD] side effects
On Oct 6, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A pdpedia page should be a complete resource all about that given object, or whatever. If the wikipedians avoided duplicating things that exist, wikipedia would be tiny and not very useful. The real advantage comes in have one resource that gives you an overview of all you need to know. Which Wikipedia.org is not. Wikipedia is inherently incomplete and full of errors and will always be that way, which is not a problem unless people aren't aware of these limitations and take for truth what's written on Wikipedia. Pdpedia may be similar: It describes a real world outside of itself (help-files, bugs, etc.) which may be out of sync at every point in time. I should say gives you overview of what's out there. I don't claim (and mistakenly wrote) that any source will have all the info. While we are on the topic, if you look at the research, wikipedia has shown to be basically as accurate as traditional encyclopedias. Traditional encyclopedias are also full of errors. That's inevitable. There will never be an publication without errors, everyone should expect that from any source they read. All that said, wikipedia is a great resource for quick information. I think we can make Pdpedia the same. .hc kill your television ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
yes, maybe I was not not precise, but that's what I had in mind. I just wanted to say, that if we know about a bug then we could put a note about the bug on the wikipage of that objectclass (for information purpose, but not for discussion purpose). marius. if someone leaves a note somewhere, it might go unnoticed for a while (or for ever), right? How about giving the user 2 choices: to give the link to file a bug report and explain how to do it, or if the user is a novice/in a hurry (that happens a lot), inform the administrator of that language about the bug (who will file the bug report). One 3rd option could be informing the author, but according to my experience the authors have more to do, so it is more efficient to make an official bug report. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I think of pdpedia more like an encyclopedia. but I think a discussion forum for bugs and comments beside the mailing list is a good idea. the cross linking can by done by linking to mails in the pd-list archives and vice versa. still, I think bugs should be mentioned in the pdpedia pages. I think, care should be taken to not duplicate the bug tracker. People or at least I won't be reading pdpedia all the time just like people don't read Wikipedia only when needed. So if pdpedia authors find a bug, they should report it to the bug tracker and then make a link to that, so everyone on pdpedia knows this bug is reported. The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. A pdpedia page should be a complete resource all about that given object, or whatever. If the wikipedians avoided duplicating things that exist, wikipedia would be tiny and not very useful. The real advantage comes in have one resource that gives you an overview of all you need to know. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. i see: the bug tracker is contra bugs, while the pdpedia bug section is pro bugs :-) fmasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:27 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The pdpedia bugs section and the bug tracker serve quite different purposes. The bug tracker is for information leading to fixing a bug. The pdpedia bug section is for documenting the existance of know bugs and known workarounds. i see: the bug tracker is contra bugs, while the pdpedia bug section is pro bugs :-) fmasd.r IOhannes Hmm, I see it as fixing bugs vs. dealing with bugs. .hc 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I think of pdpedia more like an encyclopedia. but I think a discussion forum for bugs and comments beside the mailing list is a good idea. the cross linking can by done by linking to mails in the pd-list archives and vice versa. still, I think bugs should be mentioned in the pdpedia pages. I think, care should be taken to not duplicate the bug tracker. People or at least I won't be reading pdpedia all the time just like people don't read Wikipedia only when needed. So if pdpedia authors find a bug, they should report it to the bug tracker and then make a link to that, so everyone on pdpedia knows this bug is reported. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
yes, maybe I was not not precise, but that's what I had in mind. I just wanted to say, that if we know about a bug then we could put a note about the bug on the wikipage of that objectclass (for information purpose, but not for discussion purpose). marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: I think of pdpedia more like an encyclopedia. but I think a discussion forum for bugs and comments beside the mailing list is a good idea. the cross linking can by done by linking to mails in the pd-list archives and vice versa. still, I think bugs should be mentioned in the pdpedia pages. I think, care should be taken to not duplicate the bug tracker. People or at least I won't be reading pdpedia all the time just like people don't read Wikipedia only when needed. So if pdpedia authors find a bug, they should report it to the bug tracker and then make a link to that, so everyone on pdpedia knows this bug is reported. Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( Is this a problem of the objects or isn't it one of your -path/-helppath setup? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
isn't it possible to make a comment section, where such problems can be indicated? one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( but anyway, I created a new category called gui which will include all the graphical UI objects. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:gui hans, can I do something to get the images running? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. the rest is a settings problem, true. marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( Is this a problem of the objects or isn't it one of your -path/-helppath setup? Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
marius schebella wrote: not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. broken in which way? and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. is this broken behaviour or just missing feature? mfgasdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marius schebella wrote: not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. broken in which way? show up in the pd-extended release but cannot be created. and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. is this broken behaviour or just missing feature? missing feature. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
about pdpedia features: Could there be a good way to cross-index (in pdpedia) with bug reports, and show how they were fixed? Most user problems get posted to pd-list, and any unresolved issues get placed in the reports. A comment section is likely to be plagued with ambiguous user problems and non-unified treatment, I think. Chuck On 10/3/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marius schebella wrote: not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. broken in which way? show up in the pd-extended release but cannot be created. and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. is this broken behaviour or just missing feature? missing feature. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
hi, I think of pdpedia more like an encyclopedia. but I think a discussion forum for bugs and comments beside the mailing list is a good idea. the cross linking can by done by linking to mails in the pd-list archives and vice versa. still, I think bugs should be mentioned in the pdpedia pages. marius. Charles Henry wrote: about pdpedia features: Could there be a good way to cross-index (in pdpedia) with bug reports, and show how they were fixed? Most user problems get posted to pd-list, and any unresolved issues get placed in the reports. A comment section is likely to be plagued with ambiguous user problems and non-unified treatment, I think. Chuck On 10/3/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marius schebella wrote: not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. broken in which way? show up in the pd-extended release but cannot be created. and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. is this broken behaviour or just missing feature? missing feature. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
You can browse for help patches in the help browser. But yes, things are a mess. :D .hc On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:28 AM, marius schebella wrote: not only a settings problem. many objects are broken. at least on os x. and for some it is not possible to rightclick, like entry or popup. the rest is a settings problem, true. marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( Is this a problem of the objects or isn't it one of your -path/-helppath setup? Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] side effects
Yes, definitely! This is one of the main reasons why I am interested in the pdpedia. .hc On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote: isn't it possible to make a comment section, where such problems can be indicated? one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( but anyway, I created a new category called gui which will include all the graphical UI objects. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:gui hans, can I do something to get the images running? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] side effects
hi, one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( but anyway, I created a new category called gui which will include all the graphical UI objects. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:gui hans, can I do something to get the images running? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
