Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-29 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
I thought I read that the ir-leds are angled slightly outward.  Perhaps the
amount of light detected from each is affected by the angle, which could be
used to solidify the position?

-Chuckk

On 10/28/07, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 01:12 -0700, punchik punchik wrote:
  Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
  the wimote in pure data?

 yes, that is possible. the sensor bar is nothing else but two groups of
 ir-leds, that are used as a reference point in space. you couls also use
 a lighter (or up to four) instead. the wiimote just sends you the
 coordinates of the reference points' (ir-led, lighter, whatever)
 projection on the wiimote's intenal ir-camera.

   Is it posible to track the
  movements of people carrying wimotes in real space
  with puredata?

 no, that is not quite possible with the sensors, that wiimote is
 equipped with. it has 3 accelerometers (x, y and z), but it is very
 difficult (probably impossible) to calculate a position out of this
 data. it would be possible to calculate the position with the data from
 the ir-camera, but then you would need at least 3 reference points and
 they would have to be always visible for the cam. since the angle is
 quite narrow, it is probably not too suitable for position tracking.

 roman




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Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-29 Thread Chris McCormick
Hi,

Well maybe you could fill a room with ir LEDs so that the Wiimote
always has some LEDs in it's view, and then make each LED flash with
a unique pattern. That way you could read the pattern being flashed by
each LED to know which LED(s) the Wiimote is pointing at, and determine
it's position in space from the positions of the LEDs in it's view.

Best,

Chris.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 08:36:42PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 01:12 -0700, punchik punchik wrote:
  Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
  the wimote in pure data?
 
 yes, that is possible. the sensor bar is nothing else but two groups of
 ir-leds, that are used as a reference point in space. you couls also use
 a lighter (or up to four) instead. the wiimote just sends you the
 coordinates of the reference points' (ir-led, lighter, whatever)
 projection on the wiimote's intenal ir-camera.  
 
   Is it posible to track the
  movements of people carrying wimotes in real space
  with puredata?
 
 no, that is not quite possible with the sensors, that wiimote is
 equipped with. it has 3 accelerometers (x, y and z), but it is very
 difficult (probably impossible) to calculate a position out of this
 data. it would be possible to calculate the position with the data from
 the ir-camera, but then you would need at least 3 reference points and
 they would have to be always visible for the cam. since the angle is
 quite narrow, it is probably not too suitable for position tracking. 
 
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Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-29 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 07:12 -0400, Chris McCormick wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Well maybe you could fill a room with ir LEDs so that the Wiimote
 always has some LEDs in it's view, and then make each LED flash with
 a unique pattern. That way you could read the pattern being flashed by
 each LED to know which LED(s) the Wiimote is pointing at, and determine
 it's position in space from the positions of the LEDs in it's view.

yeah, i thought about that as well, but i am not sure how difficult it
would be to sync the leds and the wiimote. every small jitter would give
absolutely useless results and if you really want to make it jitter
proof, then it's probably very slow... but it would definitely be nice
to have some position tracking based on wiimote.

roman





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[PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-28 Thread punchik punchik
Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
the wimote in pure data? Is it posible to track the
movements of people carrying wimotes in real space
with puredata?


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Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 01:12 -0700, punchik punchik wrote:
 Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
 the wimote in pure data?

yes, that is possible. the sensor bar is nothing else but two groups of
ir-leds, that are used as a reference point in space. you couls also use
a lighter (or up to four) instead. the wiimote just sends you the
coordinates of the reference points' (ir-led, lighter, whatever)
projection on the wiimote's intenal ir-camera.  

  Is it posible to track the
 movements of people carrying wimotes in real space
 with puredata?

no, that is not quite possible with the sensors, that wiimote is
equipped with. it has 3 accelerometers (x, y and z), but it is very
difficult (probably impossible) to calculate a position out of this
data. it would be possible to calculate the position with the data from
the ir-camera, but then you would need at least 3 reference points and
they would have to be always visible for the cam. since the angle is
quite narrow, it is probably not too suitable for position tracking. 

roman




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Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-28 Thread Thomas Grill
Roman Haefeli schrieb:
 On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 01:12 -0700, punchik punchik wrote:
   
 Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
 the wimote in pure data?
 

 yes, that is possible. the sensor bar is nothing else but two groups of
 ir-leds, that are used as a reference point in space. you couls also use
 a lighter (or up to four) instead. the wiimote just sends you the
 coordinates of the reference points' (ir-led, lighter, whatever)
 projection on the wiimote's intenal ir-camera.
   
actually it works quite well with old-fashioned candles which are easier 
to handle than lighters.

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Re: [PD] wiimote with ir sensor bar

2007-10-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 20:47 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
 Roman Haefeli schrieb:
  On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 01:12 -0700, punchik punchik wrote:

  Hi , is there any way of using the ir sensor bar with
  the wimote in pure data?
  
 
  yes, that is possible. the sensor bar is nothing else but two groups of
  ir-leds, that are used as a reference point in space. you couls also use
  a lighter (or up to four) instead. the wiimote just sends you the
  coordinates of the reference points' (ir-led, lighter, whatever)
  projection on the wiimote's intenal ir-camera.

 actually it works quite well with old-fashioned candles which are easier 
 to handle than lighters.

:-)

hehe, of course.. i think, the only reason, i mentioned lighters instead
of candles, is that i used a lighter to test it...

roman





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