Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
everytime i run audacity i can not get the audio to work again with anything without a cold start. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On 12/30/2012 01:31 AM, Billy Stiltner wrote: everytime i run audacity i can not get the audio to work again with anything without a cold start. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Did you try resuming pulse audio? It is possible that Audacity might be suspending it but is not necessarily resuming it once it is done. Please take this with a boulder of salt as I've not tested any of this... -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On 12/28/2012 05:44, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: pulse audio never worked for me on various debian gnu/linux setups. these days i only ever use alsa and jack, and i believe that one of these (preferably the latter) should be the default for a pro-grade audio software. [...] Yes, jack is great, and we should make it easy to use. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora and others all come with pulseaudio installed and setup by default. That covers probably 75% or more of GNU/Linux users. Pd should have working audio without the users having to do anything at all. So it looks like the only way to achieve that is pulseaudio support. And no, I don't consider Pd's ALSA/OSS connecting to pulseaudio and blocking all other sound a working situation. note that i do not argue against pulseaudio support in Pd. i believe that the more audio backends we support the merrier. hence my suggestion to factor out the audio-backend stuff (not in this thread): this way we can add arbitrary without having to touch the pd-core. I'd like to get a timestamp from IOhannes for his comment on PulseAudio not working on any GNU/Linux systems. When I look at the PulseAudio docs I like what I see, the timestamp is 2 weeks before christmas 2012. but let me first clarify two things: #1 i never said any GNU/linux system. i said various Debian gnu/linux systems with the additional restriction that it didn't work for me. i'm mainly using debian testing/unstable (rolling) as my distribution. also i'm not using GNOME or KDE, but xfce4 (and sometimes #2 (and this is more important): i really confused PulseAudio for PortAudio. i often do these, since both are often abbreviated PA. so my rant was not targeted at PulseAudio but at PortAudio, which (and i'll happily repeat this) has not happened to work correctly yet. In other words if there are _still_ substantial problems with getting PA to behave, maybe we could do an Ardour-style it just works default to the jack server that doesn't require the user to have to know they are even using jack. After all, isn't jack cross-platform (and PulseAudio not)? i did the last implementation of jack-support for Pd (0.43) with something like this in mind. i didn't succeed very well (as we can see in this thread)... anyhow, i agree (if this is what you are saying) that jack would be the best choice for the main backend. fgdmsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
- Original Message - From: IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released [...] i did the last implementation of jack-support for Pd (0.43) with something like this in mind. i didn't succeed very well (as we can see in this thread)... It might be worth looking at how it works with Ardour since Paul is the author of both. -Jonathan anyhow, i agree (if this is what you are saying) that jack would be the best choice for the main backend. fgdmsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
- Original Message - From: IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released [...] #2 (and this is more important): i really confused PulseAudio for PortAudio. i often do these, since both are often abbreviated PA. I'd really like to hear from anyone who uses an up-to-date version of PulseAudio on an up-to-date distro whether the myriad problems that came from pushing a beta version of an It-Just-Works audio server are now gone. Even for Pd, it'd be nice to support an audio server that lets you set levels for a video online of a Pd patch while you patch your own, then answer your bluetooth phone without having to open a config file. I still like the idea of JACK being the default, but there are certainly times when I just want the server to just mix what programs I have open with zero configuration. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On 12/28/2012 05:36 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released [...] #2 (and this is more important): i really confused PulseAudio for PortAudio. i often do these, since both are often abbreviated PA. I'd really like to hear from anyone who uses an up-to-date version of PulseAudio on an up-to-date distro whether the myriad problems that came from pushing a beta version of an It-Just-Works audio server are now gone. Even for Pd, it'd be nice to support an audio server that lets you set levels for a video online of a Pd patch while you patch your own, then answer your bluetooth phone without having to open a config file. I still like the idea of JACK being the default, but there are certainly times when I just want the server to just mix what programs I have open with zero configuration. Pulseaudio has been working pretty well for me using pulse-aware apps. I have been using Ubuntu mostly and recently switch to Mint. Apps like Pd and Audacity seem to mess with pulse, my guess is because they try to grab exclusive access, but things like rhythmbox, skype, etc. work well. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Mit, 2012-12-26 at 13:36 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: OK... try from git again - maybe it'ws fixed Looks good to me. With -jack it's possible now to switch DSP off and on in zero logical time without causing a drop-out. Also, turning DSP off does not disconnect the Pd client. I'm really happy to get the old behavior back. Thanks a lot for dedicating time to address this issue. Roman On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. Roman And merry Christmas too... On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Dec 27, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. I think that having a pulseaudio backend for Pd as the default on GNU/Linux would be the best way to solve this problem. Pulse will then handle the multiple apps playing at the same time. Then for people who want to skip Pulse, then can use the ALSA blocking implementation. An Audio API can be quite different than another, so I don't think it makes sense to treat them all the same in terms of things like whether DSP disconnects the audio API. For example Mac OS X CoreAudio, even through PortAudio, always has handled multiple apps playing back. And the audio stuck workaround actually only causes problems with CoreAudio. .hc Roman And merry Christmas too... On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. I think that having a pulseaudio backend for Pd as the default on GNU/Linux would be the best way to solve this problem. Pulse will then handle the multiple apps playing at the same time. Then for people who want to skip Pulse, then can use the ALSA blocking implementation. An Audio API can be quite different than another, so I don't think it makes sense to treat them all the same in terms of things like whether DSP disconnects the audio API. For example Mac OS X CoreAudio, even through PortAudio, always has handled multiple apps playing back. And the audio stuck workaround actually only causes problems with CoreAudio. Here's a pulseaudio implementation for libpd, I'm sure Patrick would be fine for that code to be included in Pd. http://www.workinprogress.ca/libpd/ .hc .hc Roman And merry Christmas too... On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Don, 2012-12-27 at 15:29 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. I think that having a pulseaudio backend for Pd as the default on GNU/Linux would be the best way to solve this problem. Pulse will then handle the multiple apps playing at the same time. Then for people who want to skip Pulse, then can use the ALSA blocking implementation. An Audio API can be quite different than another, so I don't think it makes sense to treat them all the same in terms of things like whether DSP disconnects the audio API. For example Mac OS X CoreAudio, even through PortAudio, always has handled multiple apps playing back. And the audio stuck workaround actually only causes problems with CoreAudio. So you agree that 'dsp 0|1' should not automatically disconnect|connect the audio API, regardless of what API is in use? I don't know enough about the various audio APIs to say whether that's a good idea or not. Perhaps it makes sense with some audio APIs. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Don, 2012-12-27 at 15:31 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. I think that having a pulseaudio backend for Pd as the default on GNU/Linux would be the best way to solve this problem. Pulse will then handle the multiple apps playing at the same time. Then for people who want to skip Pulse, then can use the ALSA blocking implementation. An Audio API can be quite different than another, so I don't think it makes sense to treat them all the same in terms of things like whether DSP disconnects the audio API. For example Mac OS X CoreAudio, even through PortAudio, always has handled multiple apps playing back. And the audio stuck workaround actually only causes problems with CoreAudio. Here's a pulseaudio implementation for libpd, I'm sure Patrick would be fine for that code to be included in Pd. http://www.workinprogress.ca/libpd/ Pd 0.44 with -pa already supports pulseaudio. -pa is even the default, so it's only a matter of making pulse the default for -pa to get your desired behavior. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On Don, 2012-12-27 at 16:06 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Don, 2012-12-27 at 15:29 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 27, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Die, 2012-12-25 at 13:00 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. The problem arises when there is one message trying to control many different tasks: * switch DSP computing on/off (save CPU time) * free/occupy the audio back-end (save soundcard time) * mute/unmute Pd (save ears) * force recompilation of the DSP graph An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. I'd say it's preferable if Pd's behavior is independent from the back-end currently in use. Rather, I suggest to use different messages for different tasks. IMHO, 'dsp 0' really should only turn computation of tilde-objects off as this is what it means and what one expects. What about a new message to pd 'card 0|1' to free devices which would work completely independently from 'dsp 0|1'? This would allow to record a signal to a soundfile without occupying the soundcard, for instance. I think that having a pulseaudio backend for Pd as the default on GNU/Linux would be the best way to solve this problem. Pulse will then handle the multiple apps playing at the same time. Then for people who want to skip Pulse, then can use the ALSA blocking implementation. An Audio API can be quite different than another, so I don't think it makes sense to treat them all the same in terms of things like whether DSP disconnects the audio API. For example Mac OS X CoreAudio, even through PortAudio, always has handled multiple apps playing back. And the audio stuck workaround actually only causes problems with CoreAudio. So you agree that 'dsp 0|1' should not automatically disconnect|connect the audio API, regardless of what API is in use? I don't know enough about the various audio APIs to say whether that's a good idea or not. Perhaps it makes sense with some audio APIs. I'm not sure you understood my proposal. Exactly _because_ it might not make sense for all APIs, I suggested to use a separate message for API on|off, so that 'dsp 0|1' can behave exactly the same with all APIs (as it used to do anyway before 0.43). Does that make sense? Example: I often use an idiom [dsp 0, dynamically create stuff, dsp 1] in my patches. I wouldn't want this to work nicely only with -jack while causing ugly clicks with -alsa or -oss. The patchs behaviour shouldn't be affected by the audio API currently in use. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
one thing that locks up pd that comes with ubuntustudio12.10 is switching to jack from alsa. i havent tried to turn dsp off yet i think with older versions i could turn off dsp and change audio settings without pd stopping. i think it also depended on whether i disconnected from qjack connections ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
OK... try from git again - maybe it'ws fixed cheers M On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
Hi all - I'm afraid to 'fix' this riht now, but will look at it at least. Alternatively I could add a message to pd to restort DSP without stopping/starting the audio I/O, which I'm hoping will at least reduce the need to start/stop SDP all the time. The change that caused this problem is that I fixed Pd not to have the audio system open whern DSP isn't running so that, on APIs in which audio is exclusive (e.g., ALSA) you can turn DSP off in Pd and go off and use another device with Pd remining open. An alternative would be to have Pd automatically close audio devices on ALSA, OSS, and MMIO but always keep it open when using jack. But then what about portaudio? I somply don't know the correct way to deal with this. cheers M And merry Christmas too... On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:09:37PM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.44-0 test 1 released
On 12/22/2012 02:48, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, Pd version 0.44-0test1 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm or via git from sourceforge: git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/pure-data cool, but... mostly audio, MIDI, scheduling, and OS compatibility bug fixes. ...i'm unsure what to think about the current jack situation. as it is (at least is in my cop of pd-0.44), taken from todays git), if i turn on/off audio, the Pd-jack client appears/disappears. roman reported this as a bug and i thought this was going to be fixed for 0.44, but it seems that it is still there. what are the plans for this? fgamsdr IOhannes PS: merry christmas! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
