Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: The point of looking into the netbook was as an affordable piece of hardware that wouldn't cost me as much to replace if it got busted up / stolen at a show. If I was looking to find the optimal system I would, of course, be looking elsewhere. ah ..well but may be you could apply other techniques of theft prevention - like make it look on so shiny - i mean put stickers all over the place .. You don't think GEM will run on a netbook? Even if it's got an independent graphics card (of course, that kinda squashes the cheap factor) ? Also, do you have any experience using GEM or are you just hating? Sorry, have to ask. Since you didn't actually offer any advice in your response I just don't know. -Ben no, i'm really quite an audio person, but i know how much the graphics take. there such accelerated video cards that you can plug exteranly - those machines (like accer one or eeepc) don't have anything apart from usb (!) my friend got a decent laptop for graphics (live vj'ing he does) and that costed hi over a thousand quid (may be even 1500something). the brand is ROCK (they are no so famoust but apparently very good) that has got like 1024meg of video ram ;) you probaly don't need to get something like that unless you really can aford it ;) may be you could instead get a cheapish pc (like mini- or pico- ATX) and install good pic-express graphics card in that .. also you can make a case like these ones - http://audiopint.org/ that would prevent it from being stolen (presuming that the duedes are particularly after lappies and such stuff that looks good for a quick dodgy sale). yeah.. cause if you consider any other laptop capable for that graphics stuff, you'd have to go for a big fancy machine (like a one which would suite a gamer), and that is obviously the winner from the point of view of the thiefs! also keep in mind that good graphics need more power and better cooling :) this looks quite good - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4076168220.html i do look at small boards lately, but the market is too rapid and i'm not buying one now.. i plan to make some machines like the audiopint dude did ;) cheers, hope this helps, -- ilya d. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: The point of looking into the netbook was as an affordable piece of hardware that wouldn't cost me as much to replace if it got busted up / stolen at a show. If I was looking to find the optimal system I would, of course, be looking elsewhere. ah ..well but may be you could apply other techniques of theft prevention - like make it look on so shiny - i mean put stickers all over the place .. personally, I use sandpaper for that... on plastic... haven't tried on metal surfaces yet. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Ben Baker-Smith wrote: -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage i think you can expect a pd patch wich runs at 50 percent on a 2 ghz dualcore machine, to use about 200 precent on the atom-cpu. my patches which need about 60 percent on my old pentium m, 1.4 ghz, use 130 percent on the a110. -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I can run linux on? i would try to get a used intel notebook, if (small) size does not matter that much, and google if it is known to run linux well. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will hold off on the netbook idea for now. Actually, the AudioPint concept is really playing with my imagination. Hmmm... Gem in a box, literaly. With enough forethought, it could be awesome. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will hold off on the netbook idea for now. Actually, the AudioPint concept is really playing with my imagination. Hmmm... Gem in a box, literaly. With enough forethought, it could be awesome. -Ben Yes do an audio pint. Get a Mini ITX board with say a dual Atom or Core 2 Duo and an NVidia card and you should be alright. I just got a new Pico ITX board a little larger than a pack of cigarettes. It's a 1Ghz VIA with 1G ram and its running PD in realtime nicely. Don't go nano or pico ITX as you'd have they have integrated graphics and no pcie expansion slots. --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I currently use a Macbook (OS 10.5) for all my PD patching. However, as I am primarily focused on using GEM for live video performance alongside musical groups, I am thinking about getting a second laptop for performances (to keep my Macbook safe). I'm thinking of getting an Acer Aspire One netbook running linux. better install a popular distro instead of the Linpus thing which acer ships ;) I'd like to know the pros and cons of this. -Will swapping patches between Mac OS and Linux be a problem (I'm guessing no, but I figured I'd ask)? -I've heard of some problems with VGA out on Linux laptops, is this going to be an issue? what is that about? -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage (of course, that's not to say that it doesn't freeze up and boot me out sometimes). none of them netbooks will cope with that stuff! why did you think of a such low-end machine for such a task?!? -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I can run linux on? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Linux the Nvidia GPU is the way to go for GEM. You could probably get acceptable performance for basic GEM use from the Acer, but what takes most of the CPU to do with the Intel GMA processor barely taxes a modern GPU. For example, I have measured performance between a MacBook/Mac Mini and MacBook Pro where the Pro was 40x faster because of the GPU! There are netbooks with NV chips in them, but they cost a little more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220385 cgc On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.comwrote: I currently use a Macbook (OS 10.5) for all my PD patching. However, as I am primarily focused on using GEM for live video performance alongside musical groups, I am thinking about getting a second laptop for performances (to keep my Macbook safe). I'm thinking of getting an Acer Aspire One netbook running linux. I'd like to know the pros and cons of this. -Will swapping patches between Mac OS and Linux be a problem (I'm guessing no, but I figured I'd ask)? -I've heard of some problems with VGA out on Linux laptops, is this going to be an issue? -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage (of course, that's not to say that it doesn't freeze up and boot me out sometimes). -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I can run linux on? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
