Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You could attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface... The user just connects to a regular headset. On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
Sorry Sebastian, you did not read correctly. I had a bluetooth headset included as a sound card in Aggregate Device, but not a phone. When I connect a phone via bluetooth it can be used for data transfer but not for audio. Like Simon suggested, you could try connect a bluetooth headset's output with cables to your computer sound card and have the user pair with that bluetooth headset. Not sure if the phone's wired headset would still function, it may be disabled when using bluetooth? Can't check at the moment. I had a very cheap but functional BCK-08 from dealextreme.com and a Jabra. Batteries of both are dead now after a few years. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Katja, Thank you for your reply. I did find a way to SEND audio to my phone via a wifi connection. A mac application called Airfoil allowed me to connect to my android phone (using this app called AirBubble). What I need is to send either the conversation happening on the phone to my computer or at least send what the mic is picking up on the phone to the computer. I'm wondering if I read correctly - did you say you were able to do this by turning your phone into an aggregate device, but that it had crazy latency? For my purposes thats not as important really! Could you please tell me how you did that? Best, Sebastian On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:52 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
I think the cleanest way would be to write an app that saves audio conversations to a server, and then you can manipulate that saved audio anyway you like from PD. I found a bunch of apps that save conversations on SD card, but could not find any (in the limited searching I did) that have the potion of saving the data on a web location. Tyler On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Sebastian, you did not read correctly. I had a bluetooth headset included as a sound card in Aggregate Device, but not a phone. When I connect a phone via bluetooth it can be used for data transfer but not for audio. Like Simon suggested, you could try connect a bluetooth headset's output with cables to your computer sound card and have the user pair with that bluetooth headset. Not sure if the phone's wired headset would still function, it may be disabled when using bluetooth? Can't check at the moment. I had a very cheap but functional BCK-08 from dealextreme.com and a Jabra. Batteries of both are dead now after a few years. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Katja, Thank you for your reply. I did find a way to SEND audio to my phone via a wifi connection. A mac application called Airfoil allowed me to connect to my android phone (using this app called AirBubble). What I need is to send either the conversation happening on the phone to my computer or at least send what the mic is picking up on the phone to the computer. I'm wondering if I read correctly - did you say you were able to do this by turning your phone into an aggregate device, but that it had crazy latency? For my purposes thats not as important really! Could you please tell me how you did that? Best, Sebastian On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:52 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You could attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface... The user just connects to a regular headset. That's slightly less obvious than plugging in a stereo output cable from phone to sound card. There are also bluetooth audio devices (headset omitted) that have stereo outputs (here's one example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875981014nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA ) A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you do. Chuck On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
* Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com [2012-10-29 21:12]: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You could attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface... The user just connects to a regular headset. That's slightly less obvious than plugging in a stereo output cable from phone to sound card. There are also bluetooth audio devices (headset omitted) that have stereo outputs (here's one example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875981014nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA ) A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you do. Has anyone already suggested a SIP software phone that can talk to jack (perhaps via one of the alsa bridges)? best, Jo Chuck On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sebastian, Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd. However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at least). Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook, I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets. With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower. Katja On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection wirelessly. Any ideas? Anything would be helpful. Thank you for your time, Sebastian -- Sebastian Ignacio Valenzuela Rojas Composer - Performer svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?
On 30/10/12 06:13, Johanna Nowak wrote: * Charles Henryczhe...@gmail.com [2012-10-29 21:12]: A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you do. Has anyone already suggested a SIP software phone that can talk to jack (perhaps via one of the alsa bridges)? Asterisk can talk to jack directly, and is very capable. It can make and receive calls, generate voice menus, deal with SIP, SMS etc etc. I did a project using some of that capacity along with Pd a few years ago. Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
