Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
Dear all, I just took a quick look at the page on puredata.info and noticed that my soundcard (E-mu 0404 USB) is mentioned as apparently [working]. For clarity's sake i think it would be good to modify the page a bit so that it's mentioned in the working soundcards. It's fully functional as far as i can tell (it works in duplex at 44100 Hz with one input) and has been since the beginning on the RPi without any slowing down of the USB speed. I can even prove it with a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJNeouLqgQ) ! Problem is, i don't know how to edit the page... Cheers, Pierre. 2013/10/31 Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com Hi Chris, I think Theron's covered most of it. The Behringer 222 is on the list of working devices compiled here: http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi so hopefully that one should be doable, and my memory is that Andy Farnell has been running Turtle Beach cards during some of his workshops - stuck in my mind 'cos I had a Turtle Beach, old school chuckle to myself. If you do get them running (or not for that matter) it'd be great if you added your experience to the wiki page. For some more audio rpi tips and tweaks I heartily recommend this page: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/raspberrypi and there's some more (related) good stuff here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=286064#p286064 Plus of course there's a whole heap of stuff in the pd-list archives (search raspberry or rpi). Regards, Julian On 30 October 2013 00:58, Theron Trowbridge theron.trowbri...@gmail.comwrote: There's good info on http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi covering this, if you haven't seen it. There seem to be a limited number of interfaces that work. And some people have to slow down the USB port to get clean audio (myself included, using the iMic ( http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Technology-iMic-Audio-Device/dp/B000BVV2IC). And I have to use a wireless keyboard/mouse if I'm not connecting via ssh ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KSQANO/). It's not ideal, and a little annoying that the accessories are more than the cost of the Raspberry Pi. But it works. The USB port is slowed down by adding dwc_otg.speed=1 to /boot/cmdline.txt -Theron ^ On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:03 AM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Same here ... I tried with 2 different usb interfaces, and I got no luck. In both cases I got some sound input, but there is a lot of popping sounds. 2013/10/28 Chris Jack christopherdanielj...@gmail.com Hey folks, Apologies as this post is not strictly about Pd, though Pd will be a crucial part of my final setup so whatever solution I find ought to work with Pd. Also, there is a chance the issue might lie with Pd. I just don't know. I'm looking for a usb bus-powered audio interface for the Rpi that can take a stereo input and provide stereo output *at the same time.* * * I have tried a couple different images and a couple different audio interfaces, to no avail. Perhaps there's something can be done with one of these setups to get it working? First, the Pd-LA custom Raspian (v1) image and Pd 43.2: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100khz): Alsamixer picks the device up but the input section shows nothing. Pd (gui) audio preferences allows selection of the interface for both input and output. Output only is lovely and clean but as soon as the device is selected for audio input the audio quality drops horrendously (vaguely recognisable from the original signal).. ..although what gives me hope is I CAN software monitor the input (poorly) in 'Test Audio and MIDI' with this arrangement. ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 48000khz): Output only in Pd is poor (beating and popping sound - possibly sounds like a samp rate conversion issue). When device is selected as Pd input software monitoring is possible and oddly, though the result is still poor, there is effectively no drop in quality from having the device selected only for output and the monitored signal sounds drastically better than at 44100khz. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and only the output is selected in Pd it works but with a lot of jitter. Selecting the device for input too causes a further drop in audio quality although again I can software monitor the input in 'Test Audio and MIDI' If plugged in after boot the OS crashes. The Satellite CCRMA (operating via ssh) and Pd-extended: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100 and 48000): Alsamixer picks the device up but again the input section shows nothing. If I have the device plugged in from boot then I get the same behaviour with it as I do in Pd vanilla on the Pd-LA Raspian image, ie. software input monitoring but at an extremely poor quality. If I don't plug the device in from boot I see it in Pd audio prefs but get this: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such
Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
Am 31.10.2013 um 17:33 schrieb Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com: I just took a quick look at the page on puredata.info and noticed that my soundcard (E-mu 0404 USB) is mentioned as apparently [working]. For clarity's sake i think it would be good to modify the page a bit so that it's mentioned in the working soundcards. It's fully functional as far as i can tell Problem is, i don't know how to edit the page... to everyone who is working with the Pi. please edit this page http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi just make an account and edit away. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
Hi Chris, I think Theron's covered most of it. The Behringer 222 is on the list of working devices compiled here: http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi so hopefully that one should be doable, and my memory is that Andy Farnell has been running Turtle Beach cards during some of his workshops - stuck in my mind 'cos I had a Turtle Beach, old school chuckle to myself. If you do get them running (or not for that matter) it'd be great if you added your experience to the wiki page. For some more audio rpi tips and tweaks I heartily recommend this page: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/raspberrypi and there's some more (related) good stuff here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=286064#p286064 Plus of course there's a whole heap of stuff in the pd-list archives (search raspberry or rpi). Regards, Julian On 30 October 2013 00:58, Theron Trowbridge theron.trowbri...@gmail.comwrote: There's good info on http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi covering this, if you haven't seen it. There seem to be a limited number of interfaces that work. And some people have to slow down the USB port to get clean audio (myself included, using the iMic ( http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Technology-iMic-Audio-Device/dp/B000BVV2IC). And I have to use a wireless keyboard/mouse if I'm not connecting via ssh ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KSQANO/). It's not ideal, and a little annoying that the accessories are more than the cost of the Raspberry Pi. But it works. The USB port is slowed down by adding dwc_otg.speed=1 to /boot/cmdline.txt -Theron ^ On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:03 AM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Same here ... I tried with 2 different usb interfaces, and I got no luck. In both cases I got some sound input, but there is a lot of popping sounds. 2013/10/28 Chris Jack christopherdanielj...@gmail.com Hey folks, Apologies as this post is not strictly about Pd, though Pd will be a crucial part of my final setup so whatever solution I find ought to work with Pd. Also, there is a chance the issue might lie with Pd. I just don't know. I'm looking for a usb bus-powered audio interface for the Rpi that can take a stereo input and provide stereo output *at the same time.* * * I have tried a couple different images and a couple different audio interfaces, to no avail. Perhaps there's something can be done with one of these setups to get it working? First, the Pd-LA custom Raspian (v1) image and Pd 43.2: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100khz): Alsamixer picks the device up but the input section shows nothing. Pd (gui) audio preferences allows selection of the interface for both input and output. Output only is lovely and clean but as soon as the device is selected for audio input the audio quality drops horrendously (vaguely recognisable from the original signal).. ..although what gives me hope is I CAN software monitor the input (poorly) in 'Test Audio and MIDI' with this arrangement. ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 48000khz): Output only in Pd is poor (beating and popping sound - possibly sounds like a samp rate conversion issue). When device is selected as Pd input software monitoring is possible and oddly, though the result is still poor, there is effectively no drop in quality from having the device selected only for output and the monitored signal sounds drastically better than at 44100khz. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and only the output is selected in Pd it works but with a lot of jitter. Selecting the device for input too causes a further drop in audio quality although again I can software monitor the input in 'Test Audio and MIDI' If plugged in after boot the OS crashes. The Satellite CCRMA (operating via ssh) and Pd-extended: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100 and 48000): Alsamixer picks the device up but again the input section shows nothing. If I have the device plugged in from boot then I get the same behaviour with it as I do in Pd vanilla on the Pd-LA Raspian image, ie. software input monitoring but at an extremely poor quality. If I don't plug the device in from boot I see it in Pd audio prefs but get this: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory from the Pd terminal and this ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card oops: ALSA cards not reported in order? from the ssh terminal. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100khz): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and then only output selected in Pd I get clean audio out. If I try to select the Turtle Beach as audio inout in Pd then Pd stalls indefinitely when I try to 'Test Audio and MIDI' or make anything in
Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
Same here ... I tried with 2 different usb interfaces, and I got no luck. In both cases I got some sound input, but there is a lot of popping sounds. 2013/10/28 Chris Jack christopherdanielj...@gmail.com Hey folks, Apologies as this post is not strictly about Pd, though Pd will be a crucial part of my final setup so whatever solution I find ought to work with Pd. Also, there is a chance the issue might lie with Pd. I just don't know. I'm looking for a usb bus-powered audio interface for the Rpi that can take a stereo input and provide stereo output *at the same time.* * * I have tried a couple different images and a couple different audio interfaces, to no avail. Perhaps there's something can be done with one of these setups to get it working? First, the Pd-LA custom Raspian (v1) image and Pd 43.2: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100khz): Alsamixer picks the device up but the input section shows nothing. Pd (gui) audio preferences allows selection of the interface for both input and output. Output only is lovely and clean but as soon as the device is selected for audio input the audio quality drops horrendously (vaguely recognisable from the original signal).. ..although what gives me hope is I CAN software monitor the input (poorly) in 'Test Audio and MIDI' with this arrangement. ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 48000khz): Output only in Pd is poor (beating and popping sound - possibly sounds like a samp rate conversion issue). When device is selected as Pd input software monitoring is possible and oddly, though the result is still poor, there is effectively no drop in quality from having the device selected only for output and the monitored signal sounds drastically better than at 44100khz. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and only the output is selected in Pd it works but with a lot of jitter. Selecting the device for input too causes a further drop in audio quality although again I can software monitor the input in 'Test Audio and MIDI' If plugged in after boot the OS crashes. The Satellite CCRMA (operating via ssh) and Pd-extended: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100 and 48000): Alsamixer picks the device up but again the input section shows nothing. If I have the device plugged in from boot then I get the same behaviour with it as I do in Pd vanilla on the Pd-LA Raspian image, ie. software input monitoring but at an extremely poor quality. If I don't plug the device in from boot I see it in Pd audio prefs but get this: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory from the Pd terminal and this ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card oops: ALSA cards not reported in order? from the ssh terminal. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100khz): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and then only output selected in Pd I get clean audio out. If I try to select the Turtle Beach as audio inout in Pd then Pd stalls indefinitely when I try to 'Test Audio and MIDI' or make anything in a patch. Same direct input monitoring by default. Also get ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy from the Pd terminal if I don't have it plugged in from boot, though no message in ssh terminal. *It also appears that by default the Turtle Beach does direct input monitoring of some sorts, the output stage sending out a clean copy of whatever signal is going into the input stage whenever the device is plugged into a usb port. With the Pd-LA image this occurred simultaneously while input monitoring in Pd. I guess this is part of the design of the Turtle Beach, though their documentation is devoid of any useful info regards this. If this is the case then this ain't the sound card for me, though clearly some might find this a very useful feature. Just to give a bit more info about what I'm attempting: I wish to run the stereo input from the Turtle Beach through Pd, play with the audio signal using data from an accelerometer (not nearly there yet) and then send the audio out through the Turtle Beach's stereo output. Apologies for the essay. Hopefully my findings are useful for others and hopefully I can get my rig working! Help muchly appreciated. I've probably left out some crucial bit of info so please shout me if I have! Cheers, Chris Jack. Chris Jack *art/research* http://itsmrjack.com/ *discus jockeying/sound art* http://soundcloud.com/itsmrjack/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- *Sébastien
Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
There's good info on http://puredata.info/docs/raspberry-pi covering this, if you haven't seen it. There seem to be a limited number of interfaces that work. And some people have to slow down the USB port to get clean audio (myself included, using the iMic ( http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Technology-iMic-Audio-Device/dp/B000BVV2IC). And I have to use a wireless keyboard/mouse if I'm not connecting via ssh ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KSQANO/). It's not ideal, and a little annoying that the accessories are more than the cost of the Raspberry Pi. But it works. The USB port is slowed down by adding dwc_otg.speed=1 to /boot/cmdline.txt -Theron ^ On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:03 AM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Same here ... I tried with 2 different usb interfaces, and I got no luck. In both cases I got some sound input, but there is a lot of popping sounds. 2013/10/28 Chris Jack christopherdanielj...@gmail.com Hey folks, Apologies as this post is not strictly about Pd, though Pd will be a crucial part of my final setup so whatever solution I find ought to work with Pd. Also, there is a chance the issue might lie with Pd. I just don't know. I'm looking for a usb bus-powered audio interface for the Rpi that can take a stereo input and provide stereo output *at the same time.* * * I have tried a couple different images and a couple different audio interfaces, to no avail. Perhaps there's something can be done with one of these setups to get it working? First, the Pd-LA custom Raspian (v1) image and Pd 43.2: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100khz): Alsamixer picks the device up but the input section shows nothing. Pd (gui) audio preferences allows selection of the interface for both input and output. Output only is lovely and clean but as soon as the device is selected for audio input the audio quality drops horrendously (vaguely recognisable from the original signal).. ..although what gives me hope is I CAN software monitor the input (poorly) in 'Test Audio and MIDI' with this arrangement. ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 48000khz): Output only in Pd is poor (beating and popping sound - possibly sounds like a samp rate conversion issue). When device is selected as Pd input software monitoring is possible and oddly, though the result is still poor, there is effectively no drop in quality from having the device selected only for output and the monitored signal sounds drastically better than at 44100khz. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and only the output is selected in Pd it works but with a lot of jitter. Selecting the device for input too causes a further drop in audio quality although again I can software monitor the input in 'Test Audio and MIDI' If plugged in after boot the OS crashes. The Satellite CCRMA (operating via ssh) and Pd-extended: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100 and 48000): Alsamixer picks the device up but again the input section shows nothing. If I have the device plugged in from boot then I get the same behaviour with it as I do in Pd vanilla on the Pd-LA Raspian image, ie. software input monitoring but at an extremely poor quality. If I don't plug the device in from boot I see it in Pd audio prefs but get this: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory from the Pd terminal and this ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card oops: ALSA cards not reported in order? from the ssh terminal. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100khz): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and then only output selected in Pd I get clean audio out. If I try to select the Turtle Beach as audio inout in Pd then Pd stalls indefinitely when I try to 'Test Audio and MIDI' or make anything in a patch. Same direct input monitoring by default. Also get ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy from the Pd terminal if I don't have it plugged in from boot, though no message in ssh terminal. *It also appears that by default the Turtle Beach does direct input monitoring of some sorts, the output stage sending out a clean copy of whatever signal is going into the input stage whenever the device is plugged into a usb port. With the Pd-LA image this occurred simultaneously while input monitoring in Pd. I guess this is part of the design of the Turtle Beach, though their documentation is devoid of any useful info regards this. If this is the case then this ain't the sound card for me, though clearly some might find this a very useful feature. Just to give a bit more info about what I'm attempting: I wish to run the
