Re: [PD] choose language
On 01/10/2013 10:11 PM, András Murányi wrote: Does it mean that there are no GUI strings in the C code? There are GUI strings in the C code, but in order for you to see them, they are sent to pd-gui, the Tcl process. If you're running in -nogui mode, there will be no translations since all the translations are handled in Tcl. Ah! BTW, would it take much to have gettext working on the C side too? i think, the pd-core should be blissfully unaware of all translations. all the interface is done via the GUI, so everything that is presentational should be handled exclusively via the GUI (based on information it get's from the core). if you want to run Pd without GUI and still have translations available (e.g. of the File-Menu :-)), they could run the output of Pd through a filter that uses the po files to translate. but the DSP-core should not be bothered by those things. fgamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Since Tcl handles all of the changing of English strings to the chosen language, Does it mean that there are no GUI strings in the C code? it is theoritically possible to do in a plugin. The key problem is that the translations are loaded (load_locale in pd-gui.tcl) before the plugins and Tcl's msgcat, the library for the translations, provides mcload, but no mkunload. To be exact, not even mcunload would be necessary, just a way to reload strings according to the new locale. Unfortunately, this functionality is missing from TCL (there are some feature requests in the tracker that target it, though). So, to effectively change the GUI language, Pd needs to be restarted. Do we wish to have a language selection option in the preferences, which writes its setting somewhere on the disk, and then load_locale would be changed in a way that it takes a look at the saved setting before defaulting to the OS/env language? (my vote is: no) András .hc On 01/09/2013 10:35 AM, András Murányi wrote: I have visited this problem some time ago, and these were my (more or less accurate) findings: - There are language strings in the C code as well as in Tcl - In Tcl there is a straightforward way to redefine the language, but I haven't found a way to change the actual strings on the display without having to restart Pd - I have no idea how it goes on the C side :) - My impression is that this may go beyond the scope of a plugin András On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, batinste dwanaf...@yahoo.fr wrote: language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/** Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
On 01/10/2013 12:36 PM, András Murányi wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Since Tcl handles all of the changing of English strings to the chosen language, Does it mean that there are no GUI strings in the C code? There are GUI strings in the C code, but in order for you to see them, they are sent to pd-gui, the Tcl process. If you're running in -nogui mode, there will be no translations since all the translations are handled in Tcl. it is theoritically possible to do in a plugin. The key problem is that the translations are loaded (load_locale in pd-gui.tcl) before the plugins and Tcl's msgcat, the library for the translations, provides mcload, but no mkunload. To be exact, not even mcunload would be necessary, just a way to reload strings according to the new locale. Unfortunately, this functionality is missing from TCL (there are some feature requests in the tracker that target it, though). So, to effectively change the GUI language, Pd needs to be restarted. Do we wish to have a language selection option in the preferences, which writes its setting somewhere on the disk, and then load_locale would be changed in a way that it takes a look at the saved setting before defaulting to the OS/env language? (my vote is: no) That would be possible. I would be willing to accept such a patch if it was well tested but I'm not going to write it :) .hc András .hc On 01/09/2013 10:35 AM, András Murányi wrote: I have visited this problem some time ago, and these were my (more or less accurate) findings: - There are language strings in the C code as well as in Tcl - In Tcl there is a straightforward way to redefine the language, but I haven't found a way to change the actual strings on the display without having to restart Pd - I have no idea how it goes on the C side :) - My impression is that this may go beyond the scope of a plugin András On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, batinste dwanaf...@yahoo.fr wrote: language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/** Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On 01/10/2013 12:36 PM, András Murányi wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Since Tcl handles all of the changing of English strings to the chosen language, Does it mean that there are no GUI strings in the C code? There are GUI strings in the C code, but in order for you to see them, they are sent to pd-gui, the Tcl process. If you're running in -nogui mode, there will be no translations since all the translations are handled in Tcl. Ah! BTW, would it take much to have gettext working on the C side too? it is theoritically possible to do in a plugin. The key problem is that the translations are loaded (load_locale in pd-gui.tcl) before the plugins and Tcl's msgcat, the library for the translations, provides mcload, but no mkunload. To be exact, not even mcunload would be necessary, just a way to reload strings according to the new locale. Unfortunately, this functionality is missing from TCL (there are some feature requests in the tracker that target it, though). So, to effectively change the GUI language, Pd needs to be restarted. Do we wish to have a language selection option in the preferences, which writes its setting somewhere on the disk, and then load_locale would be changed in a way that it takes a look at the saved setting before defaulting to the OS/env language? (my vote is: no) That would be possible. I would be willing to accept such a patch if it was well tested but I'm not going to write it :) .hc Well I shall not take on more things (but to carry on with things that I've already started), but... :) This stuff would actually be another driver for me to dive into the prefs system... and eventually evolve that a bit, too*. * right now the guiprefs system is geared towards the recentfiles list, and it might need some mods to serve other purposes as well. András ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
i think this should be handled by the OS. also there are apps for that: http://www.tj-hd.co.uk/languageswitcher Am 09.01.2013 um 14:50 schrieb batinste dwanaf...@yahoo.fr: language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
I have visited this problem some time ago, and these were my (more or less accurate) findings: - There are language strings in the C code as well as in Tcl - In Tcl there is a straightforward way to redefine the language, but I haven't found a way to change the actual strings on the display without having to restart Pd - I have no idea how it goes on the C side :) - My impression is that this may go beyond the scope of a plugin András On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, batinste dwanaf...@yahoo.fr wrote: language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/** Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] choose language
Since Tcl handles all of the changing of English strings to the chosen language, it is theoritically possible to do in a plugin. The key problem is that the translations are loaded (load_locale in pd-gui.tcl) before the plugins and Tcl's msgcat, the library for the translations, provides mcload, but no mkunload. .hc On 01/09/2013 10:35 AM, András Murányi wrote: I have visited this problem some time ago, and these were my (more or less accurate) findings: - There are language strings in the C code as well as in Tcl - In Tcl there is a straightforward way to redefine the language, but I haven't found a way to change the actual strings on the display without having to restart Pd - I have no idea how it goes on the C side :) - My impression is that this may go beyond the scope of a plugin András On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, batinste dwanaf...@yahoo.fr wrote: language-plugin, anyone ? :) On 09/01/2013 14:23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The easiest way is to start it in the Terminal like this: GNU/Linux: LANG=en pd-extended Mac OS X: LANG=en /Applications/Pd-extended.app/** Contents/Resources/bin/pd Windows (in cmd.exe): set LANG=en %ProgramFiles%\pd\bin\pd If you want to force English, you can also delete the .msg files in the pd/po folder. .hc On 01/09/2013 07:05 AM, João Pais wrote: Hi, with the latest Pd version, Pd uses the system language as standard. The thing is, I want to keep my Pd in english. How is it possible to set the language when starting Pd? Where can suggestions to the language be sent? Best, João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
