Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Chris McCormick wrote: I understand. You want throw-away auto-ids. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with a satisfactory way of doing that, but I will have a think about it. At least auto-ids. They shouldn't be thrown more away than they are the same next time :-) Incidentally, How I handle timing is I have a global timer [s-metro] that keeps going up and up, and I use [mod 4] to (for example) have a loop of 4 ticks or [mod 32] for 32 ticks. Sometimes I get crazy and add together two [mod]s to get some weird sounding rhythms. Sounds just like mine. Except I need the concept of parts (like in verse, chorus, etc). I've put some basic stuff together that allow me to specify 8 parts. Each part have a length, and a goto-part so when a part is done it goes to the next one. Besides this you can request a certain part to come up next. This is all reflected and controlled from my bcr. What this means for my ticker is that it has on/off switches for each part, so a given ticker might only output if we're playing part 0 or 2. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: I have an abstraction that counts the beats (or 1/8 notes or other note values) and sends out 0, 1, 2, 3 etc for every beat. The idea is to instantiate this for every instrument that needs to know about time. So in one piece it might be two in others 50. A convienient way to store them was simply to refer to $0, since I didn't have to worry about making some unique identifier up for each instance. Does it make sense? I don't yet understand: What exactly do you want to store? Generally one should not assume anything about $0 except that it is a unique number in every .pd-file. Well, currently you can also assume that it starts at 1000 and will only grow but assuming anything else is bad and will break in the long run. So for sssad: You can use keys like [sssad $0-somekey] but as soon as you save them to a file or message box, you will have something like 1026-somekey in your storage and you can only restore it if you're lucky because 1026 doesn't equal $0. 1026 even is a completely different concept than $0. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Frank Barknecht wrote: I don't yet understand: What exactly do you want to store? Such tickers would have gui-switches for which parts (like in structure) they're active in. That's what I'd like to store... So for sssad: You can use keys like [sssad $0-somekey] but as soon as you save them to a file or message box, you will have something like 1026-somekey in your storage and you can only restore it if you're lucky because 1026 doesn't equal $0. 1026 even is a completely different concept than $0. Right, I understand. I promise I'll refer from using $0 this way ever again :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Atte André Jensen schreef: So for sssad: You can use keys like [sssad $0-somekey] but as soon as you save them to a file or message box, you will have something like 1026-somekey in your storage and you can only restore it if you're lucky because 1026 doesn't equal $0. 1026 even is a completely different concept than $0. hmm.. so what if i have for example a delay abstraction which a GOP gui, and i want to have multiple instances of this abstraction? i suppose i'd have to name each one individually, passing a name on initialisation? what if i have a delay abstraction inside a synth abstraction, and i want two instances of the synth abstraction? then i have two instances of the delay abstraction but no easy way to name them without messily chaining up the name strings... from memory this is one of the reasons why i have yet to knuckle down and figure out sssad for my own stuff - my state saving system is current a piece of paper with pencil numbers scrawled all over it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Damian Stewart wrote: Atte André Jensen schreef: So for sssad: You can use keys like [sssad $0-somekey] but as soon as you save them to a file or message box, you will have something like 1026-somekey in your storage and you can only restore it if you're lucky because 1026 doesn't equal $0. 1026 even is a completely different concept than $0. hmm.. so what if i have for example a delay abstraction which a GOP gui, and i want to have multiple instances of this abstraction? i suppose i'd have to name each one individually, passing a name on initialisation? what if i have a delay abstraction inside a synth abstraction, and i want two instances of the synth abstraction? then i have two instances of the delay abstraction but no easy way to name them without messily chaining up the name strings... hmm, the subject suggests this is about $0, so i am not sure whether i fully understand your question (or what you are missing): just use $0-mydel. that $0 is not 1026 shouldn't be a problem for you either. mfga.sdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Damian Stewart wrote: my state saving system is current a piece of paper with pencil numbers scrawled all over it. I like paper, but I think sssad is cooler :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:37 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi Can I expect $0 to always be the same in a given abstraction every time I load a patch? The reason I ask, is I'd like to use $0 as an unique identifier together with sssad... from my experience: yeah, if you open your patches in the exact same order, then all $0 are the same. BUT: it is not documented anywhere, how $0 behaves in detail. it might be possible, that in a future versions of pd it starts counting from another value than 1000 (which is a pretty arbitrary decision anyway). DON'T rely on it. also i don't think, that it is a good idea to force yourself to open your patches always in the same order. your system will fail, as soon as you edit your patch only in the slightiest way. it is recommended to do your own counter, that only counts what really needs to be counted for your state saving. roman ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Roman Haefeli wrote: it is recommended to do your own counter, that only counts what really needs to be counted for your state saving. Thanks for the advice, I'll take this route. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:37:44PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: The reason I ask, is I'd like to use $0 as an unique identifier together with sssad... Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
Chris McCormick wrote: Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. No. I have an abstraction that counts the beats (or 1/8 notes or other note values) and sends out 0, 1, 2, 3 etc for every beat. The idea is to instantiate this for every instrument that needs to know about time. So in one piece it might be two in others 50. A convienient way to store them was simply to refer to $0, since I didn't have to worry about making some unique identifier up for each instance. Does it make sense? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is $0 the same on every load?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 07:25:58AM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: Is this so you can save and load different groups of pre-sets separately? I have been trying to think of a nice portable solution to that problem, using sssad. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet. No. I have an abstraction that counts the beats (or 1/8 notes or other note values) and sends out 0, 1, 2, 3 etc for every beat. The idea is to instantiate this for every instrument that needs to know about time. So in one piece it might be two in others 50. A convienient way to store them was simply to refer to $0, since I didn't have to worry about making some unique identifier up for each instance. I understand. You want throw-away auto-ids. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with a satisfactory way of doing that, but I will have a think about it. Incidentally, How I handle timing is I have a global timer [s-metro] that keeps going up and up, and I use [mod 4] to (for example) have a loop of 4 ticks or [mod 32] for 32 ticks. Sometimes I get crazy and add together two [mod]s to get some weird sounding rhythms. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
