Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
Le Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:40:51 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Olivier Heinry wrote: > > > I woudlnt recommend that (gemwin overlapping two windows) at least on my > > laptop, Nvidia non-free Linux drivers,as I tried this it slowed everything > > down: I guess it's because the laptop's flat panel and the VGA output dont > > have the same refresh rate and the X server messes evrything up > > i would recommend to try it out. it is highly hardware dependent whether > you will have hardware acceleration on both heads for your gfx-card or not. > > to discourage people from using it, is similar to discourage people from > using full-duplex audio, just because my crappy soundcard/driver does > only provide half-duplex (these days seem to be gone thankfully; but > then: i would not recommend to use a microphone, since the one in my > laptop sounds terrible :-)) the microphone example speaks for itself :-) > fgmadsr > IOhannes > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
Olivier Heinry wrote: > I woudlnt recommend that (gemwin overlapping two windows) at least on my > laptop, Nvidia non-free Linux drivers,as I tried this it slowed everything > down: I guess it's because the laptop's flat panel and the VGA output dont > have the same refresh rate and the X server messes evrything up i would recommend to try it out. it is highly hardware dependent whether you will have hardware acceleration on both heads for your gfx-card or not. to discourage people from using it, is similar to discourage people from using full-duplex audio, just because my crappy soundcard/driver does only provide half-duplex (these days seem to be gone thankfully; but then: i would not recommend to use a microphone, since the one in my laptop sounds terrible :-)) fgmadsr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
Le Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:55:28 -0500, "patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > scenario : dual screen, 1280x1024 and 800x600 for your projection. you make > a gemwin 1120 width, offset 960 and put your preview in the window that > appear in your screen. never tried it myself since i never did a > performance. I woudlnt recommend that (gemwin overlapping two windows) at least on my laptop, Nvidia non-free Linux drivers,as I tried this it slowed everything down: I guess it's because the laptop's flat panel and the VGA output dont have the same refresh rate and the X server messes evrything up > http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions It rocks :-) I've been using the two PD instances communicating over OSC way since a year now and It's fine. Never tried the mutiple Gemwin Gem lib though. Bye, O. > > - Original Message - > From: "simon wise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Sergi Lario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "PD list" > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin) > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: > > > >> Sergi Lario wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now > >>> have 2 > >>> questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and > >>> other as > >>> output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to > >>> preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi. > >>> > >>> About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, > >>> but > >>> it would be very useful. > >>> > >> Hi Sergi, > >> > >> I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have the > >> two > >> instances communicate over OSC. > >> It worked quite well. > > > > a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I > > tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I think > > on OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method instead for my > > project. > > > > I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or buffers > > created in the other, that would make the preview idea work well with > > two pd instances. Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D > > space, I think that would be much easier in a single instance of pd > > with two windows! > > > > > > Is the multiple window patch still working? (preferably on Linux, but > > also on OSX?) > > > > Or is there a better way to try this? > > > > simon > > > > > > > > ___ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
On 20 Feb 2008, at 3:58 AM, chris clepper wrote: > On OSX and Linux pix_share_write and pix_share_read use shared > memory between applications to pass pix_ frames. The setup > requires giving the shared memory a numeric id, width, height and > bits per pixel of the frame. After this frames written by one pd > instance can be read from any other pd. > > OSX will require changing shm defaults in /etc/rc in order to use > HD size textures. that seems just what I need, I'll explore ... thanks simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
On OSX and Linux pix_share_write and pix_share_read use shared memory between applications to pass pix_ frames. The setup requires giving the shared memory a numeric id, width, height and bits per pixel of the frame. After this frames written by one pd instance can be read from any other pd. OSX will require changing shm defaults in /etc/rc in order to use HD size textures. On Feb 19, 2008 10:27 AM, simon wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19 Feb 2008, at 6:46 PM, tim wrote: > > > simon wise wrote: > >> > >> On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: > >> > >>> Sergi Lario wrote: > > Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now > have 2 > questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and > other as > output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to > preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. > > > Hi. > > About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's > possible, but > it would be very useful. > > >>> Hi Sergi, > >>> > >>> I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have > >>> the two > >>> instances communicate over OSC. > >>> It worked quite well. > >> > >> a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I > >> tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I > >> think on OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method > >> instead for my project. > >> > >> I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or > >> buffers created in the other, that would make the preview idea > >> work well with two pd instances. > > My idea was rather to simply sync the messages so that the same > > video file is loaded by the two pd's separately. > > I wasn't using any texturing with this setup though, so I don't > > know if it would work. > >> Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D space, I think > >> that would be much easier in a single instance of pd with two > >> windows! > > Load the same 3D space in the two pd's and relate the control data > > in some way ? > > without textures and lots of pix work this is fine - but I'm wanting > to use plenty of movies and largish graphics as textures, which would > be present from a different point of view in each of the windows. > > It would be better to only read from the drive once, then decode > using the CPU a single time, and to only transfer one copy to the > graphics card - so it seems either 2 windows in a single pd or a way > to pass references to textures already loaded between 2 different > pd's is what I'm looking for, but I'll fall back on one machine per > projector if required. > > > simon > > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
On 19 Feb 2008, at 6:46 PM, tim wrote: > simon wise wrote: >> >> On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: >> >>> Sergi Lario wrote: Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now have 2 questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and other as output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. Hi. About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, but it would be very useful. >>> Hi Sergi, >>> >>> I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have >>> the two >>> instances communicate over OSC. >>> It worked quite well. >> >> a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I >> tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I >> think on OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method >> instead for my project. >> >> I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or >> buffers created in the other, that would make the preview idea >> work well with two pd instances. > My idea was rather to simply sync the messages so that the same > video file is loaded by the two pd's separately. > I wasn't using any texturing with this setup though, so I don't > know if it would work. >> Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D space, I think >> that would be much easier in a single instance of pd with two >> windows! > Load the same 3D space in the two pd's and relate the control data > in some way ? without textures and lots of pix work this is fine - but I'm wanting to use plenty of movies and largish graphics as textures, which would be present from a different point of view in each of the windows. It would be better to only read from the drive once, then decode using the CPU a single time, and to only transfer one copy to the graphics card - so it seems either 2 windows in a single pd or a way to pass references to textures already loaded between 2 different pd's is what I'm looking for, but I'll fall back on one machine per projector if required. simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
maybe using gemviewport from pdmtl: http://www.workinprogress.ca/pd/pdmtl/gemviewport.ogg scenario : dual screen, 1280x1024 and 800x600 for your projection. you make a gemwin 1120 width, offset 960 and put your preview in the window that appear in your screen. never tried it myself since i never did a performance. http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions pat - Original Message - From: "simon wise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sergi Lario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "PD list" Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin) > > On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: > >> Sergi Lario wrote: >>> >>> Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now >>> have 2 >>> questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and >>> other as >>> output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to >>> preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. >>> >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, >>> but >>> it would be very useful. >>> >> Hi Sergi, >> >> I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have the >> two >> instances communicate over OSC. >> It worked quite well. > > a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I > tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I think > on OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method instead for my > project. > > I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or buffers > created in the other, that would make the preview idea work well with > two pd instances. Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D > space, I think that would be much easier in a single instance of pd > with two windows! > > > Is the multiple window patch still working? (preferably on Linux, but > also on OSX?) > > Or is there a better way to try this? > > simon > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
simon wise wrote: > > On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: > >> Sergi Lario wrote: >>> >>> Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now have 2 >>> questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and other as >>> output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to >>> preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. >>> >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, but >>> it would be very useful. >>> >> Hi Sergi, >> >> I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have the two >> instances communicate over OSC. >> It worked quite well. > > a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I > tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I think on > OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method instead for my > project. > > I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or buffers > created in the other, that would make the preview idea work well with > two pd instances. My idea was rather to simply sync the messages so that the same video file is loaded by the two pd's separately. I wasn't using any texturing with this setup though, so I don't know if it would work. > Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D space, I think that > would be much easier in a single instance of pd with two windows! Load the same 3D space in the two pd's and relate the control data in some way ? Tim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
On 19 Feb 2008, at 1:55 PM, patrick wrote: > scenario : dual screen, 1280x1024 and 800x600 for your projection. > you make a gemwin 1120 width, offset 960 and put your preview in > the window that appear in your screen. never tried it myself since > i never did a performance. a window across two screens works fine for me on OSX, I guess it would depend on drivers, Xorg setup and graphics card on linux but should be quite achievable, does a preview ok but still it does not give me 2 viewpoints/camera angles on 1 3D world! I'll check the other references as well thanks simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:06 AM, tim wrote: > Sergi Lario wrote: >> >> Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now >> have 2 >> questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and >> other as >> output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to >> preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. >> >> >> Hi. >> >> About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, >> but >> it would be very useful. >> > Hi Sergi, > > I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have the > two > instances communicate over OSC. > It worked quite well. a while ago there was a multiple-Gemwin version of Gem around - I tried out the binary that was available and it worked fine (I think on OSX but possibly Linux?) but I used the 2 pd method instead for my project. I don't know if it is possible for one pd to use textures or buffers created in the other, that would make the preview idea work well with two pd instances. Soon I want to try 2 camera views of the same 3D space, I think that would be much easier in a single instance of pd with two windows! Is the multiple window patch still working? (preferably on Linux, but also on OSX?) Or is there a better way to try this? simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
Sergi Lario wrote: > > Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now have 2 > questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and other as > output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to > preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. > > > Hi. > > About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, but > it would be very useful. > Hi Sergi, I've done stuff with two gemwins by running pd 2 times and have the two instances communicate over OSC. It worked quite well. gr, Tim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd/gem as vj mixer at win (Vadim Smahtin)
> > Hi. I trying to create 2 channel videomixer in pd/gem. And now have 2 > questions- how i can make 2 gemwin's to use 1 as preview and other as > output, and second- how i can make file list or grid of images to > preview my videofiles and then load it's to pix_film. Big thx. > Hi. About multiple gemwin at same time: I don't know if it's possible, but it would be very useful. You can see some interesting objects in http://hangar.org/wikis/lab/doku.php?id=start:puredata_pdvjtools This objects are only available for Linux. cheers, Sergi. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
