Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gemwindow and gemcontrol
Hallo, Andres Ferrari hat gesagt: // Andres Ferrari wrote: where can I to get gemwindow and gemcontrol objects for osx 10.4 ppc? Never heard of these as externals. Maybe they are some abstractions? Where did you encounter them? Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gemwindow and gemcontrol
You probably have all the gem objects as part of PD. try installing X11 from the mac OS disk. Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:26:50 +0200 From: f...@footils.org To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] gemwindow and gemcontrol Hallo, Andres Ferrari hat gesagt: // Andres Ferrari wrote: where can I to get gemwindow and gemcontrol objects for osx 10.4 ppc? Never heard of these as externals. Maybe they are some abstractions? Where did you encounter them? Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
Hmm, strange, all was ok yesterday on Ubuntu 9.04 and today, i have the same problem, impossible to watch the video ! ++ Jack Le mardi 01 septembre 2009 à 10:24 +0200, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Ciao ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Snow Leopard
Hi, Is anyone having any luck (good or bad) running pd-extended on os x 10.6 snow leopard? Thanks, - Greg -- http://www.uwm.edu/~gssurges/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:24:46 +0200 From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 20090901082446.gc19...@footils.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Ciao -- Frank same here. everything works except this video player. -- Marco Donnarumma aka The !S.A.D! Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer - Roma, IT LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
hmm.. i have no such problem here, but like many media providers i have noticed that sometimes bbc places an ip filter to discriminate content (the national australian broadcaster - abc, does the same). these ip filters are never particularly reliable so it wouldn't surprise me if you go between being on block lists. just a guess, dmotd Jack wrote: Hmm, strange, all was ok yesterday on Ubuntu 9.04 and today, i have the same problem, impossible to watch the video ! ++ Jack Le mardi 01 septembre 2009 à 10:24 +0200, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Ciao ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi all, in my experience there's no need to recompile externals for Max5 unless they are using new features or GUI stuff. I'll see if i can find some time to help out with this. gr~~~ Am 31.08.2009 um 16:18 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Thomas Grill http://g.org +43 699 19715543 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
i had to install the SDK http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/ProductDocumentation/MaxUBSDK then using a .plist file from the examples which come with it it does this in xcode: Building target “pd~” of project “pd~” with configuration “Development” — (1 error) Checking Dependencies cd /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~ com.apple.tools.info-plist-utility /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/ src/pd~/Info.plist -genpkginfo /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/ build/Development/pd~.mxo/Contents/PkgInfo -expandbuildsettings -o / Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/Development/pd~.mxo/Contents/ Info.plist cd /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~ /Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c-header -arch i386 -pipe -Wno- trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -DMSP -fmessage-length=0 - mfix-and-continue -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/max/ Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/pd~.build/Development/pd~.build/pd~.hmap -Wmost -Wno-four-char-constants -Wno-unknown-pragmas -O0 -F/Users/max/ Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/Development -F/Developer/SDKs/ MacOSX10.4u.sdk/Library/Frameworks -I/Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/ pd~/build/Development/include -I../../c74support/max-includes -I../../ c74support/msp-includes -I/Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/ pd~.build/Development/pd~.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/ SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/../../ c74support/max-includes/macho-prefix.h -o /Library/Caches/ com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/macho-prefix- deodejqxgbrbvtcxomjgfungpesf/macho-prefix.h.gch i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/../../ c74support/max-includes/macho-prefix.h: No such file or directory i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: warning: '-x c-header' after last input file has no effect i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files Build failed (1 error) Am 01.09.2009 um 14:26 schrieb Thomas Grill: Hi all, in my experience there's no need to recompile externals for Max5 unless they are using new features or GUI stuff. I'll see if i can find some time to help out with this. gr~~~ Am 31.08.2009 um 16:18 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/ startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Ichabod wrote: 2009/8/31 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at ... [screenshots] Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a different system than mine? On Mac OS X, the default font is now Monaco, since its included with the OS, and is the standard default font for fixed width things like code editors. On GNU/Linux and Windows, its still Courier, though it should be a bit easier to use different fonts now. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Snow Leopard
If you are using OpenGL/graphics stuff, you might want to wait or use Ubuntu. Ubuntu 9.10 is apparently faster for graphics than 10.6: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=ubuntu_karmic_leopardnum=1 .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Greg Surges wrote: Hi, Is anyone having any luck (good or bad) running pd-extended on os x 10.6 snow leopard? Thanks, - Greg -- http://www.uwm.edu/~gssurges/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Script, flash, and ad blockers sometimes mess with poorly implemented embedded video players. This seems like one of them. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. Actually you have already convinced me to use a - in the tags field. But as I started with commas, I will continue with that until all help files are converted, then run a perl script to replace every comma in the tags field. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
i had the same problem but could watch it after i turned off 'hardware acceleration' under display settings. left/ctrl click to access these. (player version 10, mac osx.5.8, intel, firefox 3) _f 1 sep 2009 kl. 14.27 skrev dmotd: hmm.. i have no such problem here, but like many media providers i have noticed that sometimes bbc places an ip filter to discriminate content (the national australian broadcaster - abc, does the same). these ip filters are never particularly reliable so it wouldn't surprise me if you go between being on block lists. just a guess, dmotd Jack wrote: Hmm, strange, all was ok yesterday on Ubuntu 9.04 and today, i have the same problem, impossible to watch the video ! ++ Jack Le mardi 01 septembre 2009 à 10:24 +0200, Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding event in London: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8221235.stm I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob Dylan. Does anyone know how to watch the video on Linux? I do have Flash 10, and I can watch Youtube, Vimeo, etc. just fine. But this video when I click Play just endlessly tries to load something and never shows any video ... Ciao #| fredrikolofsson.com klippav.org musicalfieldsforever.com |# ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:48 AM, dmotd wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format? You could try it for yourself pretty easily. Here's an easy way to find here the #X connect message is implemented: h...@palatschinken:src grep 'connect' *.c g_editor.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:connect); g_editor.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:gensym(connect), A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_NULL); g_readwrite.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), m_binbuf.c:else if (!strcmp(second, connect)|| m_binbuf.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), m_binbuf.c:else if (!strcmp(second, connect)) m_binbuf.c:gensym(#P), gensym(connect), u_pdsend.c:sockerror(connect); u_pdsend.c:sockerror(connect); x_net.c:gensym(connect), A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT, 0); Basically, these two lines are saying that the connect message is expected to be in 'ss' format. s = symbol, i = integer. So basically, two symbols (#X connect) and four integers (0 1 0 0) g_editor.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_readwrite.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), First try throwing extra ints in the #X connect messages in a .pd file, and see if that works. Then try getting those ints in Pd. .hc I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
okay! so what I have to do is: start the help patch with max4, then open Options - DSP Status (If I try to open the panel later, I get an error saying error: Bad file descriptor) then I had to replace the opendialog with a simple message starting with /Users/marius..., as opposed to what I got before mac_hd:/Users/marius and then I clicked on this message, pd would start up and spit out a message with a lot of zeros. and then I start sound as you said from the DSP Status window. hmmm... actually trying the whole thing again, it now works by just starting pd with the pddir message and the start message and *then* clicking on ;dsp start. but only once, I cannot stop pd and start it again, that brings me into freeze mode again.. ah, it works if I turn off dsp in max before stopping pd, and then start it again, and then turn on dsp again. marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: No, I mean the Max thing... I don't have Max here, but maybe it's called DSP preferences? cheers M On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:07:35PM +0200, marius schebella wrote: hi, thanks miller, are you talking about the pd audio settings? cause the dialog won't open up either, everything is frozen. with physically going in and out, you mean connecting a cable to the mini jack of your macbook(pro)?? should I also say a small prayer? or use my little max voodoo doll. no, seriously, I could still not get it running, sorry. do I need jack for this to work? best, marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. ?For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). ?However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. ?Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going ?in and out of Max. ?Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. ?It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion. -Jonathan Yes, I have seen this discussion. But I'm still confused: are commas a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached). file.pdparser.pd Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It interprets commas as a separator between messages. Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are wanting the behavior of Pd's parser. If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags or just single word tags. So if you have: tags - frequency modulation, synth and its parsed as: tags frequency modulation synth then key information is lost. .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
yep :) in effect it works quite fine for me in Max4 only - using the external I compiled tonigth with Max5 SDK - but it does not works yet in Max5... fred marius schebella wrote: okay! so what I have to do is: start the help patch with max4, then open Options - DSP Status (If I try to open the panel later, I get an error saying error: Bad file descriptor) then I had to replace the opendialog with a simple message starting with /Users/marius..., as opposed to what I got before mac_hd:/Users/marius and then I clicked on this message, pd would start up and spit out a message with a lot of zeros. and then I start sound as you said from the DSP Status window. hmmm... actually trying the whole thing again, it now works by just starting pd with the pddir message and the start message and *then* clicking on ;dsp start. but only once, I cannot stop pd and start it again, that brings me into freeze mode again.. ah, it works if I turn off dsp in max before stopping pd, and then start it again, and then turn on dsp again. marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: No, I mean the Max thing... I don't have Max here, but maybe it's called DSP preferences? cheers M On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:07:35PM +0200, marius schebella wrote: hi, thanks miller, are you talking about the pd audio settings? cause the dialog won't open up either, everything is frozen. with physically going in and out, you mean connecting a cable to the mini jack of your macbook(pro)?? should I also say a small prayer? or use my little max voodoo doll. no, seriously, I could still not get it running, sorry. do I need jack for this to work? best, marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. ?For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). ?However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. ?Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going ?in and out of Max. ?Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. ?It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been
[PD] joystick
Hi, is the joystick object missing in pd-extended-1.41.4 ? thanks -- Lazzaro ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] joystick
Depends on which one you mean. You can use the 'hid' one by doing: [hid/joystick] .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Lazzaro Nicolò Ciccolella wrote: Hi, is the joystick object missing in pd-extended-1.41.4 ? thanks -- Lazzaro ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion. -Jonathan Yes, I have seen this discussion. But I'm still confused: are commas a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached). file.pdparser.pd Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It interprets commas as a separator between messages. Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are wanting the behavior of Pd's parser. If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags or just single word tags. So if you have: tags - frequency modulation, synth and its parsed as: tags frequency modulation synth then key information is lost. Ok. (see attached) -Jonathan .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs #N canvas 261 110 450 300 12; #X text 46 42 TAG - foo \, bar \, blah blah \, blee blow blay \, bank ; #N canvas 585 102 344 549 12; #X obj 12 35 textfile; #X msg 12 10 read file.pd \, rewind \, bang \, bang; #X obj 12 60 route #X; #X obj 12 85 route text; #X obj 12 110 list split 2; #X obj 52 278 list split 1; #X obj 124 60 file; #X text 170 60 - file to be parsed; #X obj 52 309 t b a; #X obj 67 346 list; #X obj 84 377 sel \,; #X obj 109 442 t a; #X obj 76 475 list; #X obj 84 251 print before; #X obj 52 224 t a a; #X obj 109 415 list prepend; #X obj 52 170 route TAG; #X obj 52 197 route -; #X obj 52 141 list trim; #X obj 76 505 print parsed; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 1 18 0; #X connect 5 0 8 0; #X connect 5 1 9 1; #X connect 5 2 12 0; #X connect 5 2 15 1; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 8 1 10 0; #X connect 9 0 5 0; #X connect 10 0 15 1; #X connect 10 0 12 0; #X connect 10 1 15 0; #X connect 11 0 12 1; #X connect 11 0 15 1; #X connect 12 0 19 0; #X connect 14 0 5 0; #X connect 14 1 13 0; #X connect 15 0 11 0; #X connect 16 0 17 0; #X connect 17 0 14 0; #X connect 18 0 16 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion. -Jonathan Yes, I have seen this discussion. But I'm still confused: are commas a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached). file.pdparser.pd Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It interprets commas as a separator between messages. Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are wanting the behavior of Pd's parser. If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags or just single word tags. So if you have: tags - frequency modulation, synth and its parsed as: tags frequency modulation synth then key information is lost. Ok. (see attached) Works for me! Frank will be happy. So let's use comma-separated tags and see what happens... .hc -Jonathan .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs file.pdparser.pd Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:21 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things easy to parse in Pd. I tried your parser using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all. If someone can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I would be OK using commas in the meta data format. Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis Hi Hans, I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution. If you want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided above. Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank. Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on tags. I'm am sure people will think of other uses for the tags. Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable by Pd, and I still think that's a good idea. So the idea is to have every help patch have a [pd META] subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags. .hc Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion. -Jonathan Yes, I have seen this discussion. But I'm still confused: are commas a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached). file.pdparser.pd Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It interprets commas as a separator between messages. Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are wanting the behavior of Pd's parser. If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags or just single word tags. So if you have: tags - frequency modulation, synth and its parsed as: tags frequency modulation synth then key information is lost. Ok. (see attached) Works for me! Frank will be happy. So let's use comma-separated tags and see what happens... So what kinds of tasks do you want Pd to do with these META comments? If you already have specific ideas in mind (or have written about them already some place), let me know and I'll try to put together some patches. I'm also getting close to the finishing refactoring the help patches in the reference folder. What should I do with them when I'm finished? Attach a zip file to the list? -Jonathan .hc -Jonathan .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs file.pdparser.pd Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. - David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] spigot~ info please
Hi. I'm having trouble locating info re spigot~. It isn't recognised in my Windows version of PD extended (Pd version 0.41.4-extended). Can anyone enlighten me, please? Thanks, Richard. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Fwd: SmsPlayer (smspd / pysms) demo videos online
oops, forgot to CC the list. I planned on making a louder announcement of this once a new version of smspd is up, but that will have to wait a couples for the storm to pass... rich -- Forwarded message -- From: Rich E reakina...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] SmsPlayer (smspd / pysms) demo videos online To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Thanks Hans! What example are you reffering to? I plot the residual envelope (which are the magnitude FFT bins, although possibly downsampled) as sonogram in some examples, many of the newer ones have both sinusoidal spectral envelope and residual envelope plotted of one frame plotted in the same window, along with harmonic frequency locations. They are all comin from pre-analyzed SMS files. rich On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Wow, that's some really nice stuff! What's that window that has the FFT bins in it? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Rich E wrote: Hi all, In support of my soon-to-be-finished thesis and the dafx conference I will attend next week, I have put some demo videos online of the real-time synth I designed using software related to libsms, in Pd and python. You can find the videos here: http://mtg.upf.edu/people/eakin?p=Examples I haven't had time yet to make sure all the links work, so would anyone tell me if anything is broken? Or, any other comments/suggestions are welcome too. Cheers, Rich Eakin ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a Properties menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction. Or can you already do this with iem-guts? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Dialog menus aren't pd patches yet, lots of work needs to be done for that to happen. But you can to abstraction properties thing with iemguts, I hear. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a Properties menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction. Or can you already do this with iem-guts? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.-David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Sounds marvelous! Unfortunately i'm having all kinds of problems here... it's Hardy amd64 but my main pd install (libraries etc) are 32bit. So they dont load plus there are some things not working: the Preferences dialog, and seemingly startup plugins. Andras On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On *Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at* wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Picture 2.pngPicture 3.pngPicture 1.png___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
