Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-22 Thread Miller Puckette
I remember seeing a series of patches (code diffs I mean) that made the
necessary changes to Pd vanilla to Pd extended - does anyone know if these
still exist?  (I couldn't find them when I looked at the Pd extended SVN
repository a few weeks ago).

Some of them should be in Pd vanilla anyway, and if I took that part on it
would make the rest a lot easier.

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 01:44:11PM -0400, Dan Wilcox wrote:
 I talked to Hans about this a bit. In essence, it involves bringing in the 
 new pd vanilla source and making sure the Pd-extended additions/modifications 
 aren't lost. With the updates/cleanups to the tcl/tk sources a few years ago 
 (great work Hans et al!), it should be alot easier than the previous extended 
 releases. But still, *easy* or not, it involves time.
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
 
  From: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Updated pd-extended
  Date: September 20, 2014 at 5:02:59 PM EDT
  To: Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com
  Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at
  
  
  I wish I knew something about coding to help out with its development :P I 
  do care a lot about it though and wish I could help in some other way. 
  
  I do see a few problems with extended, but they're basically related to 
  some of the externals and libraries that sometimes do not work as they 
  should, have bad and messy help files and are sometimes redundanct. If 
  welcome, I could help sharing my thoughts and two cents about that, but I 
  realize those are not actual bug fixes regarding the code, so it's not a 
  priority on its to do list and issues for being updated to another release.
  
  Anyway, while were at it, what kind of work exactly do you mean someone 
  would have to do? I suppose there is a great list of bug fixes just to keep 
  it basically what it is. Given the context, I'm not assuming any big to do 
  list for some new features agenda. But besidesthe bug fixes, how hard is it 
  for someone to just update to the latest vanilla core? 
  
  Well, since Pd is an open source project that relies on community effort, 
  and this is the list of its main developers and users, I guess this is the 
  place to talk about a collaboration and see if we can get Pd-extended's 
  development
  to continue.
  
  I'd to help in any way I can.
  
  Cheers
 
 
 Dan Wilcox
 @danomatika
 danomatika.com
 robotcowboy.com
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Before you pay someone to do it, we need to define what it is.

It might generally look something like this:
1) Pull from the newest stable upstream code

2) Get it to compile
3) Run the regression tests
4) Make alpha and beta builds, gather reports of bugs, fix bugs, re-run tests
5) Release

So for Pd-extended, one would pull from the newest stable Vanilla source.


To complete #2 and #4, one need build environments for all of Pd-extended's 
target platforms.  Probably the easiest way to achieve that is to partner with 
two other developers-- for example, if one uses Ubuntu, find an OSX person and 
a Windows person who can build Pd on their respective OSes.  (There are guides 
on puredata.info about how to do this for each platform.)


Pd-extended doesn't have any tests AFAICT, so skip that step.

Kickstarter won't really help you here.  It's possible that it would give some 
incentive for doing a single release, but how can it sustain that work for the 
next release, or the one after that?

-Jonathan

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:22 PM, me.grimm megr...@gmail.com wrote:
 


 it involves time

... or money. 

maybe we revisit the kickstarter (or something else) idea brought forth by 
jonathon a few years ago and just pay someone to do it. to me it seems like 1) 
none of us really have any money (im just assuming here we are all poor 
artists) and more importantly 2) none of us really have any time and those that 
do might not have the skills.

OR maybe we have another PDCon (remember that?) to get amped up and pump 
something out

m


On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote:

I talked to Hans about this a bit. In essence, it involves bringing in the new 
pd vanilla source and making sure the Pd-extended additions/modifications 
aren't lost. With the updates/cleanups to the tcl/tk sources a few years ago 
(great work Hans et al!), it should be alot easier than the previous extended 
releases. But still, *easy* or not, it involves time.


On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

From: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: [PD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Updated pd-extended

Date: September 20, 2014 at 5:02:59 PM EDT

To: Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com

Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at pd-list@lists.iem.at



I wish I knew something about coding to help out with its development :P I do 
care a lot about it though and wish I could help in some other way. 


I do see a few problems with extended, but they're basically related to some 
of the externals and libraries that sometimes do not work as they should, 
have bad and messy help files and are sometimes redundanct. If welcome, I 
could help sharing my thoughts and two cents about that, but I realize those 
are not actual bug fixes regarding the code, so it's not a priority on its to 
do list and issues for being updated to another release.


Anyway, while were at it, what kind of work exactly do you mean someone would 
have to do? I suppose there is a great list of bug fixes just to keep it 
basically what it is. Given the context, I'm not assuming any big to do list 
for some new features agenda. But besidesthe bug fixes, how hard is it for 
someone to just update to the latest vanilla core? 


Well, since Pd is an open source project that relies on community effort, and 
this is the list of its main developers and users, I guess this is the place 
to talk about a collaboration and see if we can get Pd-extended's 
developmentto continue.


I'd to help in any way I can.


Cheers


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com






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Re: [PD] Updated pd-extended

2014-09-22 Thread Dan Wilcox
Graduate students?

On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Kickstarter won't really help you here.  It's possible that it would give 
 some incentive for doing a single release, but how can it sustain that work 
 for the next release, or the one after that?


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com





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