Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Camomile: An audio plugin that loads Pure Data patches

[Thomas Grill]

Dear Pierre,
thank you for Camomile, a tool that i was long looking for.
Two things:

- apparently, the xcode project file is missing. I have filed an issue on 
github.

- For a project that i am working on, i need at least 20 channels of i/o. Where 
would i start to change the maximum number of channels?
If you have the capacity to provide a 32 channel version for Mac, i would be 
infinitely grateful.

many thanks for your work,
all the best, Thomas

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> Am 02.04.2016 um 18:46 schrieb Pierre Guillot :
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm pleased to announce the release of Camomile, a plugin that allows to load 
> Pure Data patches inside a DAW.
> 
> Feature:
> Support for multiple plugin instances.
> Automatic creation of GUIs (toggle, slider, radio, comment, numbox)
> Automatic creation of parameters (name, label, range, minimum, maximum, etc.)
> Up to 16 audio channels
> Up to 64 parameters
> Support for MIDI input and output
> Support for play head information
> Support for BPM information
> Available for Linux, Mac and Windows.
> 
> I'll be happy to receive your feedback.
> Download and further information on the wiki: 
> https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile/wiki
> 
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Re: [PD] Deken and Dependencies

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Thanx for clarifying.

 >there are three (3!) externals that require 3rdparty libraries.
There are (on linux) 3 Deken pkgs that are not “self operational”.
This covers only past and near past.
Solving those 3 cases does not solve near future Deken pkgs?


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On 07/20/2016 05:45 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> I know that I can do this with objects that DONT need pthread.
 
pthread is available on every POSIX compliant system (linux and OSX).
it's only W32 that makes the trouble.
 
really: looking at your list of missing W32-libraries and extrapolating
it to the linux world, there are three (3!) externals that require 3rd
party libraries.
the problem is obviously much more prominent on W32, as the standard
libraries available there collide with the way most externals are built
(using mingw).
 
i think you are fighting to solve a marginal problem.
 
fgmsard
IOhannes
 

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Re: [PD] PdCon16 NYC Calls are open

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

16th is my 39th birthday, we have to party hard

<3

2016-07-21 4:10 GMT-03:00 Jaime Oliver :

> Dear All,
>
> Please check out the calls for papers, works, and proposals for the
> upcoming Pd Convention.
>
> http://www.nyu-waverlylabs.org/pdcon16/calls/
>
> All the best,
>
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Re: [PD] PdCon16

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> it's only W32 that makes the trouble.
> 
> really: looking at your list of missing W32-libraries and extrapolating
> it to the linux world, there are three (3!) externals that require 3rd
> party libraries.
> the problem is obviously much more prominent on W32, as the standard
> libraries available there collide with the way most externals are built
> (using mingw).
> 
> i think you are fighting to solve a marginal problem.
> 
> fgmsard
> IOhannes
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> http://www.nyu-waverlylabs.org/pdcon16/calls/ 
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Re: [PD] PdCon16

[Will -]

Do you have to buy tickets for the convention?
Or do you just show up each day?
I want to come but have never been a convention, so am unsure how it works.
Thanks!
_Will
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Deken and Dependencies (Lucas Cordiviola)
2. Re: Deken and Dependencies (IOhannes m zmölnig)
3. PdCon16 NYC Calls are open (Jaime Oliver)


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Well my worries are this:
I made a abs that uses [some~] which calls 3thpty pthread.
I want the abs to be opened with all OS.
I`m using Deken as source of [some~] so in my abs I [declare] a folder where I 
put:
some~.dll pthread.dll
some~.pd_darwin ? pthread ?
some~.l_i386? pthread ?
some~.pd_linux? pthread ?
And there, just work.
I know that I can do this with objects that DONT need pthread.
How do I handle 3th pty Libs if those *are not* in the Deken Pkg?


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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:07:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [PD] Deken and Dependencies

On 07/20/2016 04:23 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
>
> What will be the problem for a linux system to look for the 3th party
> Lib in the same folder as the ext (which needs it) if it can't find
> anywhere else in the local system?
>
> IYO this is adding cruft?

yes.

>
> We are discussing Deken dependencies and abs sharing.

thanks for the reminder :-)

>
> And also I`m following *your* good idea that a deken pkg must be “self
> operational”.

yes.

>
> Lets have the “normal ubuntu” users a more practical way of Pd while
> “super users” like you can do all the “$ sudo apt-get install
> pd-deken-apt” thing.
>

i think you misunderstood that (most likely because you are not using
linux).
the idea is, that anybody who installed "puredata" (the core Pd-vanilla
package distributed on Debian and derivatives), also has "pd-deken-apt"
installed (automatically).
there is nothing "super user" to that.


gsmdr
IOhannes




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On 07/20/2016 05:45 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> I know that I can do this with objects that DONT need pthread.

pthread is available on every POSIX compliant system (linux and OSX).
it's only W32 that makes the trouble.

really: looking at your list of missing W32-libraries and extrapolating
it to the linux world, there are three (3!) externals that require 3rd
party libraries.
the problem is obviously much more prominent on W32, as the standard
libraries available there collide with the way most externals are built
(using mingw).

i think you are fighting to solve a marginal problem.

fgmsard
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[PD] Pd-0.47-1 / [clone] - Audio Card Issues?

[Ricky Graham]

Hi list,

I’ve been working with 16 to 64 grain voices using [clone] in 0.47-1 on El 
Capitan 10.11.6 with an RME FF400 (FireWire).  At various points, my audio card 
is losing sync and then drops out altogether. The card appears to be working 
fine with Pd-Extended 0.43 / usual DAWs, etc. This appears to be an issue 
unique to [clone] usage / 0.47-1, perhaps due to the maximum amount of voices, 
although the overhead appears to be minimal. 

Anyone else having similar issues with their audio interface and Pd-0.47-1 or 
[clone]? 

Cheers,

Ricky
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Re: [PD] Machine learning and sound ?

[James Bullock]

Hi all,

To answer the OP’s question: yes it is possible to “do machine learning with 
sound” and yes you can use ml.lib and Pd for that.

I would suggest using the upstream version of ml.lib, the version on the 
Cycling74 GitHub is a fork. Here’s the upstream: 
https://github.com/cmuartfab/ml-lib

One of the problems with ml.lib is the documentation is very poor, we are 
addressing this, and soon there will be a full set of help files and possibly 
some examples. For now, sending an object the “help” message, you might be able 
to figure things out. Reading our NIME paper may also help: 
https://nime2015.lsu.edu/proceedings/201/0201-paper.pdf

Machine learning is a very broad field, and in terms of “where to start” you 
might want to look at classification problems such as “out of a set of N known 
classes of sound, which one most closely matches sound X”. This is a 
well-studied problem, and you might want to start with a paper like this one: 
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/research/icmc00/icmc00.timbre.pdf

It would be a useful exercise to replicate the Fujinaga MacMillan experiment 
(which did in fact originally use Pd) using ml.knn, or indeed their original 
knn external, which is still available in the Pd svn.

Good luck!

Jamie



> On 21 Jul 2016, at 13:42, Thomas Grill  wrote:
> 
> Please note that most applications of neural nets are non-realtime, e.g. not 
> in the same domain as Pure Data.
> The evaluation of neural networks can be, but the training never is.
> best, Thomas
> 
>> Am 21.07.2016 um 14:37 schrieb Lorenzo Sutton :
>> 
>> On 21/07/2016 12:08, Pierre Massat wrote:
>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> I did a little bit of machine learning with neural network when I was in
>>> school, and I'd like to try it on sounds. What I'd like to do is to
>>> identify patterns, types of sounds, like "people talking", "loud,
>>> compressed rock music", etc.
>> 
>> If I understand correctly, maybe the keyword you're after is "automatic 
>> music classification"? (to which you could add e.g. "machine learning" "pure 
>> data" etc.).
>> In this case there is loads of stuff... A good starting point (other than 
>> google) could be: http://www.ismir.net/society.html
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Lorenzo.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Is that feasible ? I found this library on the web :
>>> https://github.com/Cycling74/ml-lib
>>> But I have no clue how to use it.
>>> 
>>> Do you have any suggestions on where to start ? Can I feed it sound
>>> files ? Or do I need to extract some "indicators" from it (loudness,
>>> spectrum, or something) ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for your help !
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Pierre.
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Re: [PD] Machine learning and sound ?

[Thomas Grill]

Please note that most applications of neural nets are non-realtime, e.g. not in 
the same domain as Pure Data.
The evaluation of neural networks can be, but the training never is.
best, Thomas

> Am 21.07.2016 um 14:37 schrieb Lorenzo Sutton :
> 
> On 21/07/2016 12:08, Pierre Massat wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> 
>> I did a little bit of machine learning with neural network when I was in
>> school, and I'd like to try it on sounds. What I'd like to do is to
>> identify patterns, types of sounds, like "people talking", "loud,
>> compressed rock music", etc.
> 
> If I understand correctly, maybe the keyword you're after is "automatic music 
> classification"? (to which you could add e.g. "machine learning" "pure data" 
> etc.).
> In this case there is loads of stuff... A good starting point (other than 
> google) could be: http://www.ismir.net/society.html
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Lorenzo.
> 
>> 
>> Is that feasible ? I found this library on the web :
>> https://github.com/Cycling74/ml-lib
>> But I have no clue how to use it.
>> 
>> Do you have any suggestions on where to start ? Can I feed it sound
>> files ? Or do I need to extract some "indicators" from it (loudness,
>> spectrum, or something) ?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your help !
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Pierre.
>> 
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Re: [PD] Machine learning and sound ?

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 21/07/2016 12:08, Pierre Massat wrote:

Dear List,

I did a little bit of machine learning with neural network when I was in
school, and I'd like to try it on sounds. What I'd like to do is to
identify patterns, types of sounds, like "people talking", "loud,
compressed rock music", etc.


If I understand correctly, maybe the keyword you're after is "automatic 
music classification"? (to which you could add e.g. "machine learning" 
"pure data" etc.).
In this case there is loads of stuff... A good starting point (other 
than google) could be: http://www.ismir.net/society.html


Hope this helps.
Lorenzo.



Is that feasible ? I found this library on the web :
https://github.com/Cycling74/ml-lib
But I have no clue how to use it.

Do you have any suggestions on where to start ? Can I feed it sound
files ? Or do I need to extract some "indicators" from it (loudness,
spectrum, or something) ?

Thanks in advance for your help !

Cheers,

Pierre.


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Re: [PD] deken on osx syntax error

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2016-07-21 12:20, ro...@dds.nl wrote:
> i could circumvent this problem by downloading the externals with deken
> on another machine( Windows 10).
> still wondering why this error with deken;
> the macbook/osx version already too old?

most likely the Tcl/Tk version is too old.
which version do you run (and which arch?)

you can find out by running the following in the tclprompt¹:
::pdwindow::post "tcl:$tcl_version tk:$tk_version"

gfdmrt
IOhannes


¹ the tclprompt has been removed from Pd-0.47, but you can download it
via deken :-)

afaict, Pd-0.47.app uses the OSX-bundled version of Tcl/Tk; if this is
also true for Pd-0.46, you could use that to run the test as well (iirc
Pd-0.46 still has the tclprompt)

fgamsdr
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] deken on osx syntax error

[rolfm]

i could circumvent this problem by downloading the externals with deken 
on another machine( Windows 10).

still wondering why this error with deken;
the macbook/osx version already too old?
Pd works alright.

rolf

ro...@dds.nl schreef op 16-07-2016 12:24:

hi list,

macbook osx 10.5.8
vanilla 47.1

cannot download externals:

syntax error in expression "True": variable references require 
preceding $
syntax error in expression "True": variable references require 
preceding $

("for" test expression)
while compiling
"for {set i 0} {True} {incr i} {
set tmpfile "${p}${fs}dekentmp.${i}"
if {![file exists $tmpfile]} {
break
..."
("foreach" body line 3)
while compiling
"foreach p $paths {
#if { [ catch { file mkdir $p } ] } {}
for {set i 0} {True} {incr i} {
set tmpfile "${p}${fs}dekentmp.$..."
(compiling body of proc "::deken::get_writable_dir", line 4)
invoked from within
"::deken::get_writable_dir $::sys_staticpath "
(procedure "::deken::clicked_link" line 13)
invoked from within
"::deken::clicked_link
http://puredata.info/Members/zmoelnig/software/moocow/0-0extended/moocow-v0-0extended-(Darwin-i386-32)(Darwin-PowerPC-32)(Darwin..."
(command bound to event)

what could be wrong?

rolf


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[PD] Machine learning and sound ?

[Pierre Massat]

Dear List,

I did a little bit of machine learning with neural network when I was in
school, and I'd like to try it on sounds. What I'd like to do is to
identify patterns, types of sounds, like "people talking", "loud,
compressed rock music", etc.

Is that feasible ? I found this library on the web :
https://github.com/Cycling74/ml-lib
But I have no clue how to use it.

Do you have any suggestions on where to start ? Can I feed it sound files ?
Or do I need to extract some "indicators" from it (loudness, spectrum, or
something) ?

Thanks in advance for your help !

Cheers,

Pierre.
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