Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

And while we're on the soundfiler subject, sorry to bring/suggest another 
request, but this would also 
be a nice update to it.

+1

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/193 is a very, very nice one. (i 
didn't test it).


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On 8/7/2018 12:38 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi, I added a bit of info on the release notes, about changes in noise~ 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/408

I also see in the release notes that "soundfiler no longer limiting size of 
soundfiles" but what's the limit now? Could we update the documentation and 
give this information? And while we're on the soundfiler subject, sorry to 
bring/suggest another request, but 
this would also be a nice 
update to it.

cheers



2018-08-06 4:03 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig 
mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>:
On 08/06/2018 01:24 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I noticed a possible issue with deken's architecture "re-detection" on macOS: 
> https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/199 
> 

as mentioned on the bug-tracker, i don't see any problem (see the ticket
for details).
do you experience any real issue or do you just think that there's
supposed to be a problem because the arch-strings look different to humans?

fgmards
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hi, I added a bit of info on the release notes, about changes in noise~
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/408

I also see in the release notes that "soundfiler no longer limiting size of
soundfiles" but what's the limit now? Could we update the documentation and
give this information? And while we're on the soundfiler subject, sorry to
bring/suggest another request, but this
 would also be a nice
update to it.

cheers



2018-08-06 4:03 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig :

> On 08/06/2018 01:24 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > I noticed a possible issue with deken's architecture "re-detection" on
> macOS: https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/199 <
> https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/199>
>
> as mentioned on the bug-tracker, i don't see any problem (see the ticket
> for details).
> do you experience any real issue or do you just think that there's
> supposed to be a problem because the arch-strings look different to humans?
>
> fgmards
> IOhannes
>
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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

regarding the other things, I opened two issues on github

https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/200

https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/201

2018-08-06 7:49 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox :

> I agree. Removing the prompt to add an external to the user paths makes
> sense in the context of [declare -path] searching user paths. Without this
> step, we're back to the problem of "I installed an external, but I can't
> load it, help." I know this prompt is loathed by some but it also keeps the
> amount of "help me" email down in the meantime until 0.49 includes the
> [declare] update.
>
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>
> 2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :
>
>
> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>
>
> I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
> documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
> since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
> prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
> what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
> path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
> still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.
>
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com
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>
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Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Dan Wilcox]

This seems to be a common sticking point. Perhaps the GEM configure script 
should not *assume* FTGL is available by default?

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:31 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:21:10 +0200
> From: Jack mailto:j...@rybn.org>>
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
> Subject: Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hello,
> 
> you can try with (and solve later this issue). I don't if it will help... :
> $ ./configure --without-ftgl
> ++
> 
> Jack


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Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Hi,

On 06/08/18 18:31, Csaba Láng wrote:

E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
Oh I forgot this step, sorry.  For Debian, I edit /etc/apt/sources.list 
and duplicate lines starting "deb" with copies starting "deb-src" 
instead.  Ubuntu maybe slightly different (perhaps it uses files in 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/).


sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list

make a backup first, if you are unsure.  after editing, run

sudo apt update

to refresh the package cache, and retry the build-dep command.


Can you send mi where can I find the dependecies to Gem?


https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/pd/gem/blob/master/debian/control#L11

but the apt build-dep command gets all of that programmatically



On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:29 PM Claude Heiland-Allen 
mailto:cla...@mathr.co.uk>> wrote:


Hi,

On 06/08/18 18:12, Csaba Láng wrote:
> Dear list,
> i try to compile on a freshly installed system Gem from
> https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem
>
[...]
> I wuld gladly have all the options especially for pix_video to
have a
> choice (the real aim is to have videoPYLON get wrked on this system)
sudo apt build-dep gem

should get most (all?) of the dependencies needed

> but make stops at this point:
> *TextBase.h:38:12: fatal error: FTFont.h: No such file or directory
>  #  include "FTFont.h"*
>     ^~
> compilation terminated.
> What do I miss?

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=FTFont.h==artful=any
-> libftfl-dev has /usr/include/FTGL/FTFont.h

> installed Gem with aptitude together with puredata cannot even
create
> any Gem related objects.
did you load -lib Gem ?




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Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Csaba Láng]

E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
Can you send mi where can I find the dependecies to Gem?

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:29 PM Claude Heiland-Allen 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 06/08/18 18:12, Csaba Láng wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > i try to compile on a freshly installed system Gem from
> > https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem
> >
> [...]
> > I wuld gladly have all the options especially for pix_video to have a
> > choice (the real aim is to have videoPYLON get wrked on this system)
> sudo apt build-dep gem
>
> should get most (all?) of the dependencies needed
>
> > but make stops at this point:
> > *TextBase.h:38:12: fatal error: FTFont.h: No such file or directory
> >  #  include "FTFont.h"*
> > ^~
> > compilation terminated.
> > What do I miss?
>
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=FTFont.h==artful=any
> -> libftfl-dev has /usr/include/FTGL/FTFont.h
>
> > installed Gem with aptitude together with puredata cannot even create
> > any Gem related objects.
> did you load -lib Gem ?
>
>
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Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Hi,

On 06/08/18 18:12, Csaba Láng wrote:

Dear list,
i try to compile on a freshly installed system Gem from 
https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem



[...]
I wuld gladly have all the options especially for pix_video to have a 
choice (the real aim is to have videoPYLON get wrked on this system)

sudo apt build-dep gem

should get most (all?) of the dependencies needed


but make stops at this point:
*TextBase.h:38:12: fatal error: FTFont.h: No such file or directory
 #  include "FTFont.h"*
    ^~
compilation terminated.
What do I miss?

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=FTFont.h==artful=any
-> libftfl-dev has /usr/include/FTGL/FTFont.h

installed Gem with aptitude together with puredata cannot even create 
any Gem related objects.

did you load -lib Gem ?


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Re: [PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Jack]

Hello,

you can try with (and solve later this issue). I don't if it will help... :
$ ./configure --without-ftgl
++

Jack



Le 06/08/2018 à 19:12, Csaba Láng a écrit :
> Dear list,
> i try to compile on a freshly installed system Gem from
> https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem
> Hopefully this is the latest version what is available online.
> 
> Anyway after congigure I have this output:
> 
>  used optional libraries:
> 
>   font-rendering : FTGL
>  default font    :
> 
>   image-support
>     use ImageMagick  : no
>     use QuickTime    : no
>     use AVFoundation : no
>     use TIFF : no
>     use JPEG : no
>   moviefile-support
>     use PLUGINS  : yes
>     use mpeg : no
>     use mpeg-3   : no
>     use QuickTime    : no
>     use AVFoundation :
>     use aviplay  : no
>     use gmerlin  : no
>   capture-support
>     use PLUGINS  : yes
>     use v4l  : no
>     use v4l2 : no
>     use ieee1394 : no
>     use DV   : no
>     use Unicap   : yes
>     use Video-for-WinDOS : no
>     use QuickTime    : no
>     use AVFoundation : no
> 
> Now run make ...
> 
> I wuld gladly have all the options especially for pix_video to have a
> choice (the real aim is to have videoPYLON get wrked on this system)
> 
> but make stops at this point:
> *TextBase.h:38:12: fatal error: FTFont.h: No such file or directory
>  #  include "FTFont.h"*
>     ^~
> compilation terminated.
> What do I miss?
> 
> installed Gem with aptitude together with puredata cannot even create
> any Gem related objects.
> Best,
> Popesz
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[PD] error compiling Gem on ubuntu 17.10

[Csaba Láng]

Dear list,
i try to compile on a freshly installed system Gem from
https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem
Hopefully this is the latest version what is available online.

Anyway after congigure I have this output:

 used optional libraries:

  font-rendering : FTGL
 default font:

  image-support
use ImageMagick  : no
use QuickTime: no
use AVFoundation : no
use TIFF : no
use JPEG : no
  moviefile-support
use PLUGINS  : yes
use mpeg : no
use mpeg-3   : no
use QuickTime: no
use AVFoundation :
use aviplay  : no
use gmerlin  : no
  capture-support
use PLUGINS  : yes
use v4l  : no
use v4l2 : no
use ieee1394 : no
use DV   : no
use Unicap   : yes
use Video-for-WinDOS : no
use QuickTime: no
use AVFoundation : no

Now run make ...

I wuld gladly have all the options especially for pix_video to have a
choice (the real aim is to have videoPYLON get wrked on this system)

but make stops at this point:

*TextBase.h:38:12: fatal error: FTFont.h: No such file or directory #
include "FTFont.h"*
^~
compilation terminated.
What do I miss?

installed Gem with aptitude together with puredata cannot even create any
Gem related objects.
Best,
Popesz
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Re: [PD] plot questions

[rolfm]

i probably found the solution, or better my mis-use of [append]:
instead of doing an [append] for every new array,
[append] is done once and the resulting pointer is 're-used' everytime.

rolf

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Re: [PD] high speed usb3 camera can not be found

[Csaba Láng]

and the same for pix_film, no backend found:
[pix_video]: no video backends found!
[pix_film]: no movie decoding backends found!

How to fix it?

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 12:39 PM Csaba Láng  wrote:

> What would be the ultimate prefix to configure Gem with videoPYLON plugin?
> I just compiled from the source 0.93.3 (hope this is the latest as it is
> always hard to find it) and pix_video did not find any backend not only
> pylon.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:39 AM Csaba Láng  wrote:
>
>> Iohannes,
>>
>> in the attachment I send you the errors from terminal.
>> Looks like the path is already ok, checking for PYLON...yes at the end of
>> configure.
>> I need to have this work.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Popesz
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:02 AM IOhannes m zmölnig 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/06/2018 12:29 AM, Csaba Láng wrote:
>>> > Iohannes,
>>> > I tried to compile from Gem/Plugin/videoHALCON folder. This is the
>>> output
>>> > in terminal
>>> > $ ./configure ./configure --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>>>
>>> that's certainly a typo.
>>> the line should read (without the leading "$"):
>>> $ ./configure  --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>>>
>>> mgfsard
>>> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Dan Wilcox]

I agree. Removing the prompt to add an external to the user paths makes sense 
in the context of [declare -path] searching user paths. Without this step, 
we're back to the problem of "I installed an external, but I can't load it, 
help." I know this prompt is loathed by some but it also keeps the amount of 
"help me" email down in the meantime until 0.49 includes the [declare] update.

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> 2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres  >:
> 
>> 
>> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
>> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
>> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
>> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
>> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>> 
> 
> I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
> documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
> since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
> prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
> what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
> path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
> still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.


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Re: [PD] high speed usb3 camera can not be found

[Csaba Láng]

What would be the ultimate prefix to configure Gem with videoPYLON plugin?
I just compiled from the source 0.93.3 (hope this is the latest as it is
always hard to find it) and pix_video did not find any backend not only
pylon.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:39 AM Csaba Láng  wrote:

> Iohannes,
>
> in the attachment I send you the errors from terminal.
> Looks like the path is already ok, checking for PYLON...yes at the end of
> configure.
> I need to have this work.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Popesz
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:02 AM IOhannes m zmölnig  wrote:
>
>> On 08/06/2018 12:29 AM, Csaba Láng wrote:
>> > Iohannes,
>> > I tried to compile from Gem/Plugin/videoHALCON folder. This is the
>> output
>> > in terminal
>> > $ ./configure ./configure --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>>
>> that's certainly a typo.
>> the line should read (without the leading "$"):
>> $ ./configure  --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>>
>> mgfsard
>> IOhannes
>>
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Re: [PD] high speed usb3 camera can not be found

[Csaba Láng]

Iohannes,

in the attachment I send you the errors from terminal.
Looks like the path is already ok, checking for PYLON...yes at the end of
configure.
I need to have this work.

Thanks in advance.

Popesz

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:02 AM IOhannes m zmölnig  wrote:

> On 08/06/2018 12:29 AM, Csaba Láng wrote:
> > Iohannes,
> > I tried to compile from Gem/Plugin/videoHALCON folder. This is the output
> > in terminal
> > $ ./configure ./configure --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>
> that's certainly a typo.
> the line should read (without the leading "$"):
> $ ./configure  --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5
>
> mgfsard
> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2018-08-06 4:12 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig :
>
> most likely you've already "manually" added that same directory multiple
> times to your search path, and deken just reflects your choice.
>

nope, I had completely nuked Pd out of my machine and did a fresh install
from scratch, and i got that.

(aka: i cannot reproduce your problem and you haven't given enough
> information)
>

Since both issues are not intentional, I'll open an issue then when I have
the time. But this is me in macOS 10.12.6, others might test it as well and
see if they have similar issues.


2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

>
> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>

I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.

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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/06/2018 03:50 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> 2- The preferences tab seems overcomplicated and I can't understand a few
> aspects of it. There is a "check" box which I don't know what it is
> supposed to check, and that I cannot actually click on it and activate the
> checking.

no. (aka: i cannot reproduce your problem and you haven't given enough
information)

> Also, when asking "Install externals to directory:" I can select
> the same directory (/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals, in my case) in
> four different places, and I don't know why can't it be just one.

i don't have any dupes.
most likely you've already "manually" added that same directory multiple
times to your search path, and deken just reflects your choice.

fgmdsr
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Re: [PD] high speed usb3 camera can not be found

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/06/2018 12:29 AM, Csaba Láng wrote:
> Iohannes,
> I tried to compile from Gem/Plugin/videoHALCON folder. This is the output
> in terminal
> $ ./configure ./configure --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5

that's certainly a typo.
the line should read (without the leading "$"):
$ ./configure  --with-pylon=${HOME}/opt/pylon5

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Re: [PD] Browser UIs for vanilla Pd patches

[Chris McCormick]

Hello!

On 03/08/18 14:00, Billy Stiltner wrote:
Thanks for this Chris, Have yet to try out pd-ws but it might be a bit 
simpler for me to plug in place of Nicolas' websockets

for my browser interface to xensynth


It is basically the same but with no binary dependencies, and it only 
supports one active websocket at a time.



https://ia601201.us.archive.org/34/items/xensynth/xesynthcontrol/xensynthcontrol.html


Lovely!

xensynthcontrol.html is  just a bunch of high level stuff that was 
easier to do with html javascript than patching up in pd ,


Yes, I understand. This is exactly the reason for pd-ws.

JAVA applets were the only cross 
platform solution to sockets from browser to pd
as far as I knew. Will websockets last as long as JAVA applets did? 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1216281


Java, like Flash, always felt like it was crowbarred into the browser. 
My hunch is that websockets will be around for a long time. They have 
wide support across all browsers and the people who maintain the browser 
code wrote the websocket code, unlike Java & Flash.


If xensynthcontrol.html is built only for your personal use you could 
also look at browser extensions. I believe it's possible to open native 
socket connections (directly to e.g. [netreceive]) if your Javascript 
code is running as an extension/add-on.


Cheers,

Chris.

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http://mccormick.cx/

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