Re: [PD] externals not added to help browser Pd 0.52.1

[Samuel Burt]

Nevermind. There's an externals folder in the Help Browser! I got used to
seeing them all listed separately. I like this behavior. Hope my confusion
and realization helps someone else who comes looking.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 11:34 AM Samuel Burt 
wrote:

> Hi, list.
>
> Problem: I can download externals with deken and load them in Pd, but they
> don't show up in the Help Browser even after restarting Pd.
>
> Context: I installed 64-bit Pd from source with jack support on Pop!_OS
> 21.10, 64-bit running GNOME 40.4.0. I compiled it with autotools and my
> only tweak was adding jack support. Path is set to look in
> ~/Documents/Pd/externals as my Externals Install Directory.
>
> Everything works including jack except for showing help patches for
> external libraries in the help browser. I can open them with the file menu,
> of course. Any ideas about how to fix this?
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[Miller Puckette via Pd-list]

OK... I've put a link to Dan's version on my download page and will leave it
until the CI build is merrily building for ARM .

cheers
M

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:56:40PM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> On 1/24/22 17:18, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > There was an issue with building Tk Wish 8.6.12 as a universal build which 
> > stopped this for now.
> 
> no.
> this is not really true, and more importantly i think it spreads confusion.
> 
> the truth (according to john) is:
> - for newer macOS versions, miller uses binaries produced by the iem-ci
> - the iem-ci currently does not build arm64 binaries
>   - simply because the XCode version installed there is too old
> - this means that Pd-core (on the downloads) is only x86_64
> - the iem-ci does not build Tcl/Tk *at all*
>   - instead it uses a pre-built binary (similar to the one found in
> mac/stuff.tgz)
>   - this pre-built blob is Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 and it is a universal build for
> arm64 and x86_64
> 
> 
> this raises the following questions:
> Q1: why is the iem-ci not updated to a newer XCode that allows to build
> arm64 binaries for macOS?
> A1: because I haven't found the time yet to do so
> 
> Q2: why isn't Tcl/Tk build along with Pd
> A2: because I don't want our CI to spend time compiling a helper library
> that we is not actively developed by *us*
> 
> 
> because of the situation with the externals, i do not consider the current
> situation extremely bad.
> 
> 
> gfdmst
> IOhannes




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[PD] externals not added to help browser Pd 0.52.1

[Samuel Burt]

Hi, list.

Problem: I can download externals with deken and load them in Pd, but they
don't show up in the Help Browser even after restarting Pd.

Context: I installed 64-bit Pd from source with jack support on Pop!_OS
21.10, 64-bit running GNOME 40.4.0. I compiled it with autotools and my
only tweak was adding jack support. Path is set to look in
~/Documents/Pd/externals as my Externals Install Directory.

Everything works including jack except for showing help patches for
external libraries in the help browser. I can open them with the file menu,
of course. Any ideas about how to fix this?

Sam
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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 1/24/22 17:18, Dan Wilcox wrote:

There was an issue with building Tk Wish 8.6.12 as a universal build which 
stopped this for now.


no.
this is not really true, and more importantly i think it spreads confusion.

the truth (according to john) is:
- for newer macOS versions, miller uses binaries produced by the iem-ci
- the iem-ci currently does not build arm64 binaries
  - simply because the XCode version installed there is too old
- this means that Pd-core (on the downloads) is only x86_64
- the iem-ci does not build Tcl/Tk *at all*
  - instead it uses a pre-built binary (similar to the one found in 
mac/stuff.tgz)
  - this pre-built blob is Tcl/Tk-8.6.12 and it is a universal build 
for arm64 and x86_64



this raises the following questions:
Q1: why is the iem-ci not updated to a newer XCode that allows to build 
arm64 binaries for macOS?

A1: because I haven't found the time yet to do so

Q2: why isn't Tcl/Tk build along with Pd
A2: because I don't want our CI to spend time compiling a helper library 
that we is not actively developed by *us*



because of the situation with the externals, i do not consider the 
current situation extremely bad.



gfdmst
IOhannes


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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Yes, a new universal build can work and I have several older test builds of 
such. There was an issue with building Tk Wish 8.6.12 as a universal build 
which stopped this for now. The issue may be fixed in newer Xcode versions, I'm 
not sure yet. In any case, I was not able to make a working universal build, so 
I've been using arm64-only builds personally. There is a thread somewhere on 
this, probably on Github.

In the end, the build server setup which makes the builds for "newer macOS 
systems" just needs to be tweaked so the core is configured as a universal 
build which also requires a new enough Xcode/CLITools. 

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> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:47:54 +0100
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> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
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> On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 19:55 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:
>> Am 23. J?nner 2022 18:42:18 MEZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres <
>> por...@gmail.com >:
>>> cool, thanks, can't we upload this to miller's site?
>>> 
>> 
>> Last time I checked, there was a total of 0 (zero) compiled externals
>> available on deken for this architecture...
>> 
>> afaict that would give a somewhat lousy UX
> 
> Can universal binaries of externals be built on Intel Macs? Xcode
> documentation [1] suggests it depends on the Xcode version installed.
> But then again, can I install the necessary Xcode version on - say -
> 10.15 (Catalina)?
> 
> I know I can figure out these things when I have a access to such a
> system, but am curious to hear about people's experiences.
> 
> Roman


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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[Christof Ressi]

I guess we have to ship macOS ARM builds as seperate binaries then, at 
least until most externals provide macOS ARM versions resp. universal 
binaries.


On 24.01.2022 17:02, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Hah probably true. For me it's fine as I don't use many externals and 
build those I do use myself.



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Am 23. J?nner 2022 18:42:18 MEZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres 
:

cool, thanks, can't we upload this to miller's site?



Last time I checked, there was a total of 0 (zero) compiled externals 
available on deken for this architecture...


afaict that would give a somewhat lousy UX


mfg.sfg.jfd
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Hah probably true. For me it's fine as I don't use many externals and build 
those I do use myself.

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:55:38 +0100
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> Am 23. J?nner 2022 18:42:18 MEZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres 
> mailto:por...@gmail.com>>:
>> cool, thanks, can't we upload this to miller's site?
>> 
> 
> Last time I checked, there was a total of 0 (zero) compiled externals 
> available on deken for this architecture...
> 
> afaict that would give a somewhat lousy UX
> 
> 
> mfg.sfg.jfd
> IOhannes


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Re: [PD] pd 0.52-0 test 4 released

[Roman Haefeli]

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 19:55 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> Am 23. Jänner 2022 18:42:18 MEZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres <
> por...@gmail.com>:
> > cool, thanks, can't we upload this to miller's site?
> > 
> 
> Last time I checked, there was a total of 0 (zero) compiled externals
> available on deken for this architecture...
> 
> afaict that would give a somewhat lousy UX

Can universal binaries of externals be built on Intel Macs? Xcode
documentation [1] suggests it depends on the Xcode version installed.
But then again, can I install the necessary Xcode version on - say -
10.15 (Catalina)?

I know I can figure out these things when I have a access to such a
system, but am curious to hear about people's experiences.

Roman
 

[1] 
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-silicon/building-a- 
universal-macos-binary


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