Re: [PD] loadbang in canvas help-patch not working?
this is now already different but also had an improper 'init', so I now removed it from the file. https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1594/commits/12410c96f6c9c7c571ceb26a25ed102b1e3bcf89 cheers Em qui., 12 de mai. de 2022 às 09:49, Peter P. escreveu: > * Alexandros [2022-05-12 13:57]: > > From what I see, the toggle underneath that loadbang has its value set to > > "init" in its preferences. It's likely that this patch was saved with the > > toggle on, so when the patch is opened, the toggle retains that on state, > > but then the loadbang turns it off. Anyway, that's what I believe is > > happening there. > Thanks Alexandros, this might indeed have had happened when the patch was > polished > recently. > > cheers, P > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
* Roman Haefeli [2022-05-12 14:42]: [...] > I've learned to appreciate it as a feature. It's counter-intuitive, > because one would expect that what is seen can be manipulated. I see > that aspect. But on the other hand, the current behavior allows for a > lot of neat tricks to create fancy GUI widgets. Like, XY-sliders perhaps? ;) Thanks Roman! P ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang in canvas help-patch not working?
* Alexandros [2022-05-12 13:57]: > From what I see, the toggle underneath that loadbang has its value set to > "init" in its preferences. It's likely that this patch was saved with the > toggle on, so when the patch is opened, the toggle retains that on state, > but then the loadbang turns it off. Anyway, that's what I believe is > happening there. Thanks Alexandros, this might indeed have had happened when the patch was polished recently. cheers, P ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
On Thu, 2022-05-12 at 14:07 +0200, Christof Ressi wrote: > > > but more interestingly it is the lower > > of the two slider that receives the mouse clicks while the upper is > > visible. Is this intentional? > > This is a fundamental issue with Pd's GUI. The first matching object > in > the list receives the event. Since objects are drawn in ascending > order, > the backmost object will receive the event. I find this very > annoying, I've learned to appreciate it as a feature. It's counter-intuitive, because one would expect that what is seen can be manipulated. I see that aspect. But on the other hand, the current behavior allows for a lot of neat tricks to create fancy GUI widgets. Roman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
but more interestingly it is the lower of the two slider that receives the mouse clicks while the upper is visible. Is this intentional? This is a fundamental issue with Pd's GUI. The first matching object in the list receives the event. Since objects are drawn in ascending order, the backmost object will receive the event. I find this very annoying, but I don't see how we can change that without breaking a zillion existing patches... Christof ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
On 5/12/22 13:54, Peter P. wrote: Hi list, jus tried if two sliders placed on top of each other could work as a simple XY-contoller. They do not, but more interestingly it is the lower of the two slider that receives the mouse clicks while the upper is visible. Is this intentional? yes. for example see the [pd example discrete] in the hslider help-patch. Could GUI objects be transparent in color as well as for clicks in any way? i'm not sure i understand the question. as for transparent colors, it seems there's no definitive answer. canvas-widgets (for lack of a better word) can be made transparent if they have no (fill) color at all (like ordinary [object] boxes), but iemguis always have a fill color (and the color picker has no "no color" either). also iirc, *some* iemguis might actually use the object color to hide things (most notably the vu-meter, although you are probably not talking about that). afaik, there definitely isn't any "alpha" channel available in Tcl/Tk (so no semi-transparency) I know about the canvas-objects reporting their positions (and it would be cool if they would report mouse-downs and -ups as well), but don't like the fact that I have to be in edit mode to move them. nobody does. in any case: i don't really think that the [cnv] is the proper object for this though (it's main purpose is creating solid colored rectangles; and having them respond to mouse interaction, will make them quite CPU-hungry). the iemgui *library* (available via deken, but i don't know whether it still works with recent Pd) has an [iem_event] object that i think does what you want. something like this might be a good addition to Pd-vanilla. It seems there is no other vanilla way for xy-controllers then... data structures, obviously. gfmasdr IOhannes OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] loadbang in canvas help-patch not working?
From what I see, the toggle underneath that loadbang has its value set to "init" in its preferences. It's likely that this patch was saved with the toggle on, so when the patch is opened, the toggle retains that on state, but then the loadbang turns it off. Anyway, that's what I believe is happening there. On 12/5/22 14:50, Peter P. wrote: Hi list, just opened 5.reference/cnv-help.pd and a [loadbang] in its [pd example-room] subpatch does not bang. Can anyone check if it is just me™? Thanks! Peter ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] two sliders on top of each other (XY-Controller)?
Hi list, jus tried if two sliders placed on top of each other could work as a simple XY-contoller. They do not, but more interestingly it is the lower of the two slider that receives the mouse clicks while the upper is visible. Is this intentional? Could GUI objects be transparent in color as well as for clicks in any way? I know about the canvas-objects reporting their positions (and it would be cool if they would report mouse-downs and -ups as well), but don't like the fact that I have to be in edit mode to move them. It seems there is no other vanilla way for xy-controllers then... thanks! Peter ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] loadbang in canvas help-patch not working?
Hi list, just opened 5.reference/cnv-help.pd and a [loadbang] in its [pd example-room] subpatch does not bang. Can anyone check if it is just me™? Thanks! Peter ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
