Re: [PD] time/date

[Patco]

> Le 16 janv. 2024 à 13:43, adam johnson  a écrit :
> 
> use [file copy] 

wow this new vanilla internal is really cool

So we can timestamp filenames just by using [file stat] and [file move]


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Re: [PD] time/date

[Patco]

Hello,

 in zexy external there is [time] object



> Le 16 janv. 2024 à 11:26, Hrvoje Radnic via Pd-list  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Dear group,
> 
> Is there any solution for getting the system time-date in pure data vanilla? 
> I would like to use my quick recording abstraction without worrying about 
> file name and I know it could be done by using [savestate] and incremental 
> numbering system, but I think it could be much more elegant to just use the 
> time-date stamp as file name.
> 
> Thank you! 
> 
> Hrvoje Radnic
> 
> https://www.instagram.com/singlecycled/ 
> 
> 
> https://pdvrecords.bandcamp.com/album/umovi-protiv-valova 
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/sumovi-protiv-valova 
> 
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Re: [PD] call for test : else test release for mac arm

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Hello,

I've tried else on a mac m1 with pd-54-1, it took 96 seconds to open 
all.objects.pd, no crash, no error in console, DSP is running between 30 and 
34%.

cheers

pat

> Le 12 janv. 2024 à 23:27, Alexandre Torres Porres  a écrit :
> 
> Hi Apple Silicon people, can you do me a favor and test if my test release up 
> in deken ("1.0-0_rc11-pre-test-release2") can load all objects just fine by 
> opening the "All_objects.pd" file in the 'else' folder? You need Pd 0.54-1 by 
> the way. Some users are complaining some objects were crashing the app or not 
> properly loading. I have been fixing this but it seems different users get 
> issues with different objects, which is insane...
> 
> The deken upload is just for mac. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ps. by the way, it does take quite some time to load all objects, like even a 
> couple of minutes, cause my lib is a bit big (524 objects and counting). It's 
> weird how it all loads quite fast on my 10 year old macbook air running 
> mojave... I wonder if we could do something about or if we just have to live 
> with this hassle in current macs/macOSes... can someone at least confirm me 
> if when you load an object first it may take a while but then the OS and Pd 
> remembers it is 'good' forever and ever on?
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Re: [PD] shell external for raspberry pi aarch64

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hello

> Le 5 janv. 2024 à 10:24, Lucas Cordiviola  a écrit :
> 
> PS: on Windows there is no such thing that communicates back to Pd as 
> [command]


there is pdsend.exe

patco



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Re: [PD] call for test : pmpd binary for osX

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Hello,

I've tested all exemples on arm with Pd 0.53.0, 

I'm not sure if this error is about arch when closing exemple 01.basics.pd:

M1: no such object 
M3: no such object 
M5: no such object 
M2: no such object 
M4: no such object 
M6: no such object 
M8: no such object 
M9: no such object 
M11: no such object 
M12: no such object 
M15: no such object 
M14: no such object 
M13: no such object 
M20: no such object 
M17: no such object 
M18: no such object 
M19: no such object 
M29: no such object 
M30: no such object 

-

When 08.balls2D.pd is opened after 07.corde3D it crashes pd



14.MP.curve3D.pd crashes pd when it's opened after exemple 13 and on closing 
patch.

---

everything else works greatly


pat

> Le 5 janv. 2024 à 15:59, cyrille henry  a écrit :
> 
> hello,
> 
> Benjamin Wesch did compile pmpd for OSX (arm and x86).
> 
> Before putting them on deken, ca anyone test them?
> 
> http://chnry.net/data/pmpd_fat.zip
> 
> Thanks a lot to everyone and specially to Benjamin!
> 
> Cheers
> Cyrille
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] shell external for raspberry pi aarch64

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Hello,

 with hcs/sys_gui I don't have any problem to launch shell command lines on all 
platforms, that's probably because hcs/sys_gui uses the GUI interpreter, and if 
it doesn't work, pd itself wouldn't work either.

Obviously, the command response won't come out from hcs/sys_gui outlet but can 
be sent to a receive object by using the tcl command pdsend like this:

 [pdsend "myreceiveobject hello world"(--[sys_gui]

 

> Le 5 janv. 2024 à 10:24, Lucas Cordiviola  a écrit :
> 
> 
> On 04/01/2024 21:31, mick mengucci wrote:
>> I must be missing something. I can migrate the project to Linux but as I 
>> work with schools and they are dominated by windowz it would be really cool 
>> to solve this and be able to trigger other programs from inside Pd, using 
>> the cmd proimpt window.
>> Or are there other ways to do that?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> [motex/system] does not communicate back to Pd (or the Pd console). To pop up 
> a cmd window you must do:
> 
> 
> [start cmd /k echo Hello %username%!(
> |
> [system]
> 
> or
> 
> [start cmd /k ipconfig/all(
> |
> [system]
> 
> or
> 
> [start notepad(
> |
> [system]
> 
> 
> see https://ss64.com/nt/cmd.html and experiment.
> 
> PS: on Windows there is no such thing that communicates back to Pd as 
> [command].
> 
> :)
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Re: [PD] Separation of concerns

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Hello,

 you might be interested to use openstagecontrol instead of graph on parent, 
it's an osc server that is doing a great job at interfacing through a web 
browser, compatible on many platforms.

Best regards,

Patco.

> Le 9 nov. 2023 à 14:47, Dafydd Hughes  a écrit :
> 
> Hey all
> 
> Long time! I hope you’re well. 
> 
> I’ve recently found myself wanting to use a performance patch which consists 
> of a bunch of graph-on-parent abstractions I’ve built on both my laptop and a 
> Raspberry Pi with a small touchscreen, and am of course finding the laptop 
> versions impossible to use on the Pi. I figure the best approach is to write 
> a backend abstraction for each, then multiple UIs that I can swap out 
> depending on the situation. 
> 
> Has anyone here done this? Would you be willing to share your work or some 
> tips? I started the job last night and I’m having some success, but wonder if 
> I’m missing some really obvious patterns that would make the whole thing more 
> elegant/usable/less likely to fall apart in performance. 
> 
> Cheers
> Dafydd
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Re: [PD] Current best practice for GPIO pins on Raspberry Pi?

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Hello,

  an alternative is about using a python script that communicate with PureData 
through OSC, it can be done with abstractions on pd side and examples provided 
by python users.

Best regards,

patco

> Le 8 nov. 2023 à 15:14, Yann Seznec  a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’m wondering what the best option is nowadays for using the GPIO pins on a 
> Raspberry Pi in Pure Data. 
> 
> Wiring Pi seems to be no longer available, as far as I can tell. I’m not sure 
> what other options there are?
> 
> One option suggested elsewhere for inputs was to use the “retrogame” script 
> to turn GPIO pin activity into keyboard presses and use the [key] object in 
> Pd, but I can’t seem to get that script to work properly yet. 
> 
> Any suggestions would be great, thanks in advance.
> 
> Yann
> 
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Re: [PD] hardcoded samplerate in audio example

[Patco]

In fact we have encountered problems specifically with my favorite PureData 
patch, the phase-vocoder, used for many different purposes, particulary with 
location scrolling, usefull for network time-stretch sample reading, speed is 
not as same as original soundfile when samplerate is 48000hz.

best

Pat

> Le 24 avr. 2023 à 11:01, Miller Puckette  a écrit :
> 
> Yep... these patches date back to before that outlet :)
> 
> For now it migth suffice to mention that the patches only work on 44k1 
> soundfiles... and incidentally, thee best one (teh phase vocoder) works fine 
> on 48K files, you just have to adjust the transposition by 147 cents.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Miller
> 
> On 4/23/23 03:47, Patco wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  I've found something awkward in all fft patches from 03.audio-examples that 
>> leads to mistakes.
>> 
>> Samplerate is hardcoded to 44100, so this wouldn't work correctly when 
>> opening soundfiles having another samplerate.
>> 
>>  This should be corrected by using [soundfiler] second outlet instead of 
>> hardcoding samplerate.
>> 
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[PD] hardcoded samplerate in audio example

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Hello,

 I've found something awkward in all fft patches from 03.audio-examples that 
leads to mistakes.

Samplerate is hardcoded to 44100, so this wouldn't work correctly when opening 
soundfiles having another samplerate. 

 This should be corrected by using [soundfiler] second outlet instead of 
hardcoding samplerate.


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Re: [PD] Raspberry pi 4 startup problem

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Hello,
 I'm using crontab to load pd, the only way I've found to have sound when pd 
starts at boot is about adding delay into the script that starts PureData like 
this:

#!/bin/bash
env sleep 10
,pd -nogui mypatch
 
on some computer 5s is enough, on some other it's about 10s...

How could we know that soundcard is ready?

I've been reading somewhere that pd needs pulse loaded to get sound working so 
I've tried this before in the script:

 while [ ! -d /run/user/1000/pulse ]
do
  sleep 0.2
done

but it has no effect.

this is happening on raspberryOS lite, and on patchboxOS which have a realtime 
kernel, the main user added to audio group, same problem...

One thing I didn't try yet is about using this service file provided by Orac:

[Unit]
Description=Run Orac at boot
DefaultDependencies=no
Wants=network-online.target
After=network-online.target
Conflicts=shutdown.target
Before=shutdown.target 

[Service]
Type=simple
User=patch
Group=patch
Environment=HOME=/home/patch
EnvironmentFile=/etc/environment
LimitRTPRIO=infinity
LimitMEMLOCK=infinity
KillMode=process
Restart=always
WorkingDirectory=/usr/local/orac
ExecStart=/usr/bin/pd -rt -alsamidi -nogui -audiobuf 4 mother.pd main.pd 

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target

I'd be glad to get any hint about what would prevent pd to have audio working 
at boot.

Maybe there is something to do into PureData for accessing soundcard when it is 
ready?

> Le 13 avr. 2023 à 12:48, Lucas Cordiviola  a écrit :
> 
> sounds that you have to delay "pd starts up on boot" part. seems Pd is 
> started before the soundcard is ready.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 13/04/2023 07:39, Simon Iten wrote:
>> Or as a workaround, is there a way to hit that apply button automagically 
>> from within a pd patch on loadbang?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2023, at 12:36, Simon Iten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I have a strange one…
>>> 
>>> I have a raspberry PI 4 with a usb sound card as in/output and a patch that 
>>> starts up on boot (via the simple autostart in 
>>> /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart)
>>> 
>>> Since I also need graphics from puredata.
>>> 
>>> Whenever pd is auto-started, it does not get any sound input.
>>> As soon as I go to the media -> audio settings menu, I can see that the 
>>> card is correctly specified.
>>> Now a simple “Apply” (without changing anything else) makes the sound work.
>>> 
>>> Opening a pd patch manually I have correct sound input without going to the 
>>> menu…
>>> 
>>> Any tips?
>>> 
>>> I tried delaying the dsp 1 message on loadbang by 200ms since I read 
>>> somewhere this could be the problem.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [PD] object for showing images with a better quality than gif (like ggee/image) ?

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Hello,

 have you tried ofelia external?

> Le 1 avr. 2023 à 15:34, Ingo  a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I have been using [ggee/image] for showing simple (medium small) images which 
> is working fine.
> But now I need to show a large full HD picture in the full 1920x1080 
> resolution and [ggee/image] gives me too many pixels.
>  
> Can anyone poind me to an external that can display high resolution JPGs?
>  
> I had been using [gem] to do this before which is working fine on Intel and 
> ARM machines but for some reason not on AMD.
> At least not in my case and the situation that I need it to work in.
>  
> Any help is appreciated!
>  
> Thanks
> Ingo
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Re: [PD] Deken command line

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I’ve just realized that files were downloaded and installed into 
/Users/patricecolet/Library/Pd/

This path is hardly accessible with finder that’s why I didn’t figure it out, I 
should have used —install-path.

I’ve also went into problems by trying to use the deken binary from git 
repository.

Deken works good on m1 when it’s installed with docker.

We can consider to close this question :-D.

> Le 28 nov. 2022 à 14:40, Patco  a écrit :
> 
> The install didn’t work at all, it was not only a failed string.
> 
> 
>> Le 27 nov. 2022 à 23:19, IOhannes m zmölnig > <mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>> a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PS: i just tried to actually reproduce your error, and even without 
>> specifying the "--ignore-missing-gpg" it downloads and installs the files 
>> just fine, even though it cannot download the .asc signature. are you sure 
>> that the installation is failing, or are you just seeing a "failed" string 
>> and concluding that things are going wrong from there?
>> PPS: there actually seems to be an issue with 'deken', as it succeeds to 
>> install, even if i explicitely tell it to *not* ignore the missing GPG 
>> signature... but that's a different story.
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Re: [PD] Deken command line

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The install didn’t work at all, it was not only a failed string.

I tried the "--ignore-missing-gpg" flag and now deken seems broken, it doesn’t 
work in PureData interface anymore

Using Pd 0.52.2


 % deken install --ignore-missing-gpg maxlib gem
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pydeken.py", line 140, in 
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEIBuSGy1/deken.hy", 
line 2166, in main
(if command (command arguments) (.print_help arg-parser)))
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEIBuSGy1/deken.hy", 
line 1745, in _hy_anon_var_113
(download-verified
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEIBuSGy1/deken.hy", 
line 1565, in download_verified
(lfor x (find-packages searchterms
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEIBuSGy1/deken.hy", 
line 1409, in find_packages
(lfor x (search (or searchurl default-searchurl)
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
[60585] Failed to execute script 'pydeken' due to unhandled exception!

% python3 --version
Python 3.10.7
 

 % deken --version
0.9.2


% deken --debug install maxlib 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "pydeken.py", line 140, in 
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEITCxxt0/deken.hy", 
line 2166, in main
(if command (command arguments) (.print_help arg-parser)))
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEITCxxt0/deken.hy", 
line 1745, in _hy_anon_var_113
(download-verified
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEITCxxt0/deken.hy", 
line 1565, in download_verified
(lfor x (find-packages searchterms
  File "/var/folders/w9/785j6nzd3lz_s4_6gmkh165cgn/T/_MEITCxxt0/deken.hy", 
line 1409, in find_packages
(lfor x (search (or searchurl default-searchurl)
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
[61502] Failed to execute script 'pydeken' due to unhandled exception!


% deken shell  
usage: deken [-h] [-v] [-q] [--debug] [--no-debug] [--version] [--platform]
 
{package,upload,find,download,verify,install,uninstall,systeminfo,systemfix} ...
deken: error: argument 
{package,upload,find,download,verify,install,uninstall,systeminfo,systemfix}: 
invalid choice: 'shell' (choose from 'package', 'upload', 'find', 'search', 
'verify', 'download', 'install', 'uninstall', 'upgrade', 'update', 
'systeminfo', 'systemfix')

% deken --platform
Darwin-amd64-32


% uname -a
Darwin MacBook-Air-de-patrice-5.local 21.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.6.0: Thu 
Sep 29 20:13:46 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8020.240.7~1/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64

I will try again after reinstalling PureData with newer version...

> Le 27 nov. 2022 à 23:19, IOhannes m zmölnig  a écrit :
> 
> On 11/27/22 22:28, Patco wrote:
>> Yes, thanks for the hint, but actually this doesn’t work:
>>  % deken install gge maxlib zexy
>> Downloading 
>> 'http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/software/maxlib/1.5.8/maxlib[v1.5.8](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32)(Sources).dek.asc'
>>  failed with '404'
>> Downloading 
>> 'http://puredata.info/Members/zmoelnigbot/software/zexy/2.4.1/zexy[v2.4.1](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-armv7-32)(Linux-i386-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek.asc'
>>  failed with ‘404'
>> It works when I install using PureData interface.
> 
> that's because cmdline command interface is stricter when it comes to 
> requirements.
> e.g. it tries hard to verify gpg-signatures (something the cmdline interface 
> doesn't even attempt to do).
> you can ignore missing GPG signatures with the "--ignore-missing-gpg" cmdline 
> flag.
> 
> the 'deken' cmdline utility has plenty of flags to tune its behaviour, which 
> you can query with "--help".
> also note that each subcommand has their own flags, so you might try 
> something like:
> ```
> deken install --help
> ```
> 
> 
> mfdsar
> IOhannes
> 
> PS: i just tried to actually reproduce your error, and even without 
> specifying the "--ignore-missing-gpg" it downloads and installs the files 
> just fine, even though it cannot download the .asc signature. are you sure 
> that the installation is failing, or are you just seeing a "failed" string 
> and concluding that things are going wrong from there?
> PPS: there actually seems to be an issue with 'deken', as it succeeds to 
> install, even if i explicitely tell it to *not* ignore the missing GPG 
> signature... but that's a different story.
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Re: [PD] Deken command line

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> Le 27 nov. 2022 à 21:54, IOhannes m zmölnig  a écrit :
> 
> On 11/27/22 13:34, Patco wrote:
>> Deken command line is what I am looking for.
>>  I want to manage installation of PureData externals with a bash script, 
>> ideally from an external list, like it would be done with apt, or by the use 
>> of a meta package.
> 
> so can we consider your question as resolved?
> 



Yes, thanks for the hint, but actually this doesn’t work:

 % deken install gge maxlib zexy
Downloading 
'http://puredata.info/Members/fjkraan/software/maxlib/1.5.8/maxlib[v1.5.8](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32)(Sources).dek.asc'
 failed with '404'
Downloading 
'http://puredata.info/Members/zmoelnigbot/software/zexy/2.4.1/zexy[v2.4.1](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-armv7-32)(Linux-i386-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek.asc'
 failed with ‘404'


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Re: [PD] Deken command line

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Deken command line is what I am looking for.
 I want to manage installation of PureData externals with a bash script, 
ideally from an external list, like it would be done with apt, or by the use of 
a meta package.



> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 11:25, IOhannes m zmölnig  a écrit :
> 
> Am 26. November 2022 10:53:28 MEZ schrieb Patko nytkophilus 
> :
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is there a way or some future strategy for installing bunches of  newest
>> externals with deken like it would be done using command line ?
> 
> Could you explain what you want to do and how it relates to "the commandline".
> It seems there are too many implicit assumptions in your very terse 
> description.
> 
> You also might want to check the deken issue tracker:
> 
> https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues
> 
> 
> 
> 
> mfg.sfg.jfd
> IOhannes
> 




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Re: [PD] RPI4 GPIO

[Patco]

Hello,
 My actual favorite method to read/write GPIO ports is about using a python 
script outside PureData and manage communication between the python script and 
PureData with UDP socket. This way there is no limitation on PureData side 
about how to handle GPIO, and this way makes possible management through other 
softwares or from another computer. It’s very easy and stable, and there are 
many examples about how to use sockets with python.

> Le 24 nov. 2022 à 13:46, Simon Iten  a écrit :
> 
> What is the *current* prefered method to read GPIO pins from within PD on a 
> raspberry pi 4?
> 
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Re: [PD] Patch won't open

[Patco]

Hello,

Could you post a link to your code or attach a zip file with sources and patch 
file?

> Le 9 nov. 2022 à 21:30, Alexandros  a écrit :
> 
> I'm developing an external based on someone else's code, and there's a spot 
> that causes a crash when freeing some memory, so I disabled that temporarily 
> to check some output. I also added a t_atom pointer which I allocate before I 
> call the function I mention here with getbytes(), and after I set some values 
> to it and output it as a list from the first outlet of the object, I free the 
> memory of the t_atom with freebytes().
> 
> At first it worked find and I got a list out the outlet, but when I tried to 
> launch Pd again with this patch, Pd launches but the patch won't open. I 
> tried to open the patch manually but again it doesn't open. Other patches 
> open and work fine. I don't think the patch is at some place beyond my 
> monitor, because I don't see any tab on the top part of my screen. When I 
> open any other patch, a new tab appears there, next to the tab of Pd's 
> console.
> 
> I'm on UbuntuStudio 22.04, with Pd-0.52.2. Any ideas?
> 
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