Re: [PD] PdDroidParty MIDI question

[enrike]

hi chris

Thanks for explaining the reason I was going nuts thinking I was doing 
some stupid mistake somewhere. Nothing crucial, I just wanted to create 
a simple polyphonic synth to play with the MIDI keyboard using the 
mobile phone.


best

enrike

21/5/3 14:01(e)an, Chris McCormick igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hello,

To get PdDroidParty working again on newer versions of Android I had to 
comment out the MIDI initialization code.


https://github.com/chr15m/PdDroidParty/blob/master/src/cx/mccormick/pddroidparty/PdDroidParty.java#L315 



Hopefully I'll fix this some time before the singularity. If somebody 
submits a PR before then, I will merge it.


Cheers,

Chris.


On 1/5/21 4:37 pm, enrike wrote:

hi

I want to conect a MIDI keyboad to PdDroidParty using a USB to usb 
type c connector, but I am not sure if I am missing some step. I 
created a patch that reads notin and sends a message with the note 
number to a PdDroidParty numberbox. This is working fine in the 
computer I can see the number changing as I press the MIDI keyboard's 
keys.


Then I install the patch into my phone and run PdDroidParty. The patch 
opens but it does not seem to connect to the keybord. I read in the 
docs that


"Once you have plugged in your MIDI device and loaded a PdDroidParty 
path, use the menu to enable access to the device in the software."


but which menu is this one? I cannot see or access any menu in the 
PdDroidParty app.


The keyboard works with an app called MIDIkeyboard I installed in my 
phone. In that one I have to select my keyboard in a menu that pops 
from a button inside the app in order to connect the keyboard to the app.


thanks

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[PD] PdDroidParty MIDI question

[enrike]

hi

I want to conect a MIDI keyboad to PdDroidParty using a USB to usb type 
c connector, but I am not sure if I am missing some step. I created a 
patch that reads notin and sends a message with the note number to a 
PdDroidParty numberbox. This is working fine in the computer I can see 
the number changing as I press the MIDI keyboard's keys.


Then I install the patch into my phone and run PdDroidParty. The patch 
opens but it does not seem to connect to the keybord. I read in the docs 
that


"Once you have plugged in your MIDI device and loaded a PdDroidParty 
path, use the menu to enable access to the device in the software."


but which menu is this one? I cannot see or access any menu in the 
PdDroidParty app.


The keyboard works with an app called MIDIkeyboard I installed in my 
phone. In that one I have to select my keyboard in a menu that pops from 
a button inside the app in order to connect the keyboard to the app.


thanks

enrike



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Re: [PD] Gem error in mac with Big Sur

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20/12/22 14:45(e)an, IOhannes m zmölnig igorleak idatzi zuen:

On 12/22/20 11:57 AM, enrike wrote:

is this a known error? I could not find any references to it.


where did you look?

- https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem/issues/263
- https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem/issues/257
- 
<https://www.reddit.com/r/puredata/comments/kdebai/using_gem_with_pd_vanilla_on_macos_big_sur/> 



mmm... sorry. I searched duckduckgo and the PD mailing list, maybe it 
was in front of my eyes and I did not see it


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[PD] Gem error in mac with Big Sur

[enrike]

hi

Opening a GEM window fails saying "failed to init GLEW: your system only 
supports openGL-1.0" after updating OS to Big Sur


The PD version is 50.2 and the GEM version is 0.91 
https://framagit.org/malinette/malinette-soft/malinette-soft-mac/-/blob/master/externals/Gem/gem.release_notes.txt


is this a known error? I could not find any references to it.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Announcing PdWebParty (alpha)

[enrike]

this is really cool and interesting!

20/12/2 07:19(e)an, Zack Lee igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi guys,

I would like to share my recent work PdWebParty which is a web app that 
allows you to run Pd patches in a web browser and share them by using a 
web link. As the name implies, it is inspired by PdDroidParty and PdParty.


Currently, the app only supports Bang(bng), Toggle(tgl), Canvas(cnv), 
and Comment but other objects will be added soon.


You can try the app from https://pdwebparty.herokuapp.com/

For more information, visit https://github.com/cuinjune/PdWebParty

Thank you!

Best,
Zack

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Re: [PD] ISO works combining PD and sculpture

[enrike]

a colleague did this (kind of) installation in Madrid a couple of years 
ago. I helped with some parts of PD


http://josurekalde.com/obra/parlamento-endel-tiempo/

enrike

20/10/28 22:28(e)an, Thomas Grill igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi,
all of our installations are Pd-based, some are sculptural:
https://rottingsounds.org/threads/auditorium/
best, Thomas


Am 26.10.2020 um 20:54 schrieb bbob :

for my students, I'm looking for examples of work that combines PD and sculpture 
(or installations)... i've got a few of the obvious 
pd-sequencer-triggering-drum-solenoids to show them, what else?  links to artist 
sites &/or videos appreciated.
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Re: [PD] getting vanilla gui objects into standalone builds

[enrike]

you can use the PdDroidParty widgets plus some of the native gui objects 
like bangs/toogles etc... and that should work pretty much the same in 
all systems, althought it might take some trial and error with the size 
of the canvas in some cases.


check the http://droidparty.net examples to see which PD gui objects 
work in mobiles and the ones provided by PdDroidParty


20/6/21 13:52(e)an, Christof Ressi igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi,

on desktop it's easy: just bundle Pd with your patch, add a simple 
starter script and maybe use the KIOSK plugin to hide the console.


Mobile is tricky, because of the locked down nature of the platforms 
(especially iOS). There are projects to run Pd patches on Android 
(http://droidparty.net/) and iOS (http://danomatika.com/code/pdparty) 
with some compatibility between the two 
(http://danomatika.com/code/pdparty/guide#pddroid-party-compatibility). 
You have to follow some conventions, though.


If you design your patch for PdParty and/or PdDroidParty and don't use 
mobile specific features, it should automatically work in desktop Pd 
vanilla. I think @Dan can tell you more about it.


Christof

On 21.06.2020 12:16, Jakob Laue wrote:

Hey dear friends,
i am currently building an instrument with many vanilla-native gui 
objects (mainly buttons).
I would like to build standalone versions of that patch, preferably 
for linux, osx, ios and android.
I know that building standalones is possible eg with ofxPof or ofelia. 
But as far as i know, if i use ofxPof or ofelia, I will need to use 
"their" gui objects, which means re-working my patch.
Do you know of a tool that allows building standalone versions from a 
pd patch that will keep the original pd-vanilla-gui objects - or even 
better - a tool that is able to "convert" pd-vanilla-gui objects into 
its own types of gui objects, which look maybe a bit different from 
the pd-object, but fulfill the same purpose?

:-)))
Best, jakob

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Re: [PD] PdDroidParty: playing sound files?

[enrike]

I understand that feeling, however file playback is pretty fundamental.


sorry I guess my question should have been longer, something like: is 
there any technical reason to why there is no any example of playing a 
sound file in PdDroidParty?


I assumed there should be a technical reason, probably related to the 
way Android handles paths, to explain why there is no such an example.


As for PdParty, I have put quite a lot of work into making PdParty run 
patches as closely as possible to desktop Pd, requiring only a couple 
specific steps regarding GUIs for the same projects to run on both 
desktop and iOS. For more advanced GUIs, it's often useful to write the 
guts of a project in a patch which his then opened with 
platform-specific wrapper patches containing the GUI.


thanks for the tip

PdDroidParty cannot make as much of a promise for this regarding GUIs, 
but it does seem to handle most of the common use cases.


for me it has always worked fine both in Android and iOS

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Re: [PD] PdDroidParty: playing sound files?

[enrike]

ok, thanks. I will try and see if I can get it to work (I did not want 
to go into it to later discover it was impossible for some technical reason)


20/2/7 11:59(e)an, Dan Wilcox igorleak idatzi zuen:
I have not used Android or PdDroidParty personally, but readsf~ is used 
by a couple of the existing droid party sample projects, ie. MultiBeat. 
Usage is the same as it would be with desktop Pd. You may need to add 
the local path with a declare if it cannot find a file: [declare -path .]


Except for how the GUI objects communicate and audio is rendered, most 
things work the same in PdDroidParty and PdParty as they do on desktop Pd.


On Feb 7, 2020, at 9:31 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:


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Subject: [PD] PdDroidParty: playing sound files?
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hi

is is possible to play a local soundfile in an Android phone using
PdDroidParty? I don't see any example that explains how to do it.

thanks

enrike



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[PD] PdDroidParty: playing sound files?

[enrike]

hi

is is possible to play a local soundfile in an Android phone using 
PdDroidParty? I don't see any example that explains how to do it.


thanks

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[PD] get average luminance of the camera

[enrike]

hi

Is it possible to get the average luminance of the camera input using GEM?

I am exploring pix_data but as far as I can see it only works with 
individual pixels. If I could average or reduce the color information 
from the camera to a single color, then I think I could just take the 
pix_data grey value of any pixel. But I am not sure this can be done. I 
am checking different pix_ objects but I dont see how I could get this 
to work. Any tips?



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Re: [PD] (PdParty) not detecting .pdz files under latest iOS

[enrike]

We experienced some problems with PdParty not recognising the .pdz files
under latest iOS. We installed PdParty, sent the .pdz via whatsapp or
downloaded it from a link. Then we tried to open it but PdParty was not
in the list of applications available to open the .pdz.


In that case, you can *always* connect the phone directly to computer 
with iTunes installed and copy the files via iTunes File Transfer. 
Otherwise, the built-in web server will work over WiFi. The steps are 
listed in the User Guide.


ok, I will have a look. Up to now we hardly had any problem thats why I 
never read the user guide in depth.


I think this is fixed but just not in a release on the iOS app store yet 
via https://github.com/danomatika/PdParty/pull/70. If not, I haven't had 
time to do a formal PdParty release yet but I've been meaning to get to 
it this winter.



This happened with two phones, both running the latest iOS. Another guy
with an older iphone did not experience this issue. In one case
reinstalling PdDroid several times solved the issue but I am not 100%
sure,


... PdParty (iOS) or DroidParty (Android)? I assume the former.


sorry to be unclear. It was an iphone, the owner reinstalled PdParty 
several times and also got sent the pdz via different ways (whatsapp, 
download, email). I am not sure which one worked because I had to many 
things to deal with at the same time :( "every one running around like 
headless chickens" kind of situation...



the situation was a bit chaotic as this happened just one hour
before a concert with seven musicians involved in the middle of a bigger
festival and everyone was stressed and in a hurry so I could not test it
properly.


Which iPhones running which iOS versions? I bet the difference is iOS 
12+ bringing the Files app which may have broken the document type 
declarations used by PdParty.


I dont know, one just said she had recently upgraded the iOS and that 
sounded to me like it could connected to the problems. If you are 
interested I can contact them to ask specifically the models.


*hint hint* I am behind the curve with testing new iOS versions and 
devices as I'm happily running my robot cowboy rig with PdParty on an 
iPhone 5S. If anyone would like more up-to-date support and works for an 
institution which supports the creation of art/music and associated 
tools, especially supporting a production which utilizes PdParty, 
throwing a newer device at a single developer who puts out the app for 
free would be helpful.



We already used the same patch months ago and there was no problem. The
same patch was totally fine under android, we actually solved the
problem by replacing the faulty iphone with an android phone.


Ouch.


Sorry not to be more precise, I dont have iphones around to test it
properly. If someone could test it would be good to know if this is a
global iOS problem or something we did wrong.


It is most likely nothing you did wrong.


ok. good to know. I was afraid it might be something wrong with the zip 
but could not see what could I have done wrong


thanks for the reply.

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[PD] (PdParty) not detecting .pdz files under latest iOS

[enrike]

hi

We experienced some problems with PdParty not recognising the .pdz files 
under latest iOS. We installed PdParty, sent the .pdz via whatsapp or 
downloaded it from a link. Then we tried to open it but PdParty was not 
in the list of applications available to open the .pdz.


This happened with two phones, both running the latest iOS. Another guy 
with an older iphone did not experience this issue. In one case 
reinstalling PdDroid several times solved the issue but I am not 100% 
sure, the situation was a bit chaotic as this happened just one hour 
before a concert with seven musicians involved in the middle of a bigger 
festival and everyone was stressed and in a hurry so I could not test it 
properly.


We already used the same patch months ago and there was no problem. The 
same patch was totally fine under android, we actually solved the 
problem by replacing the faulty iphone with an android phone.


Sorry not to be more precise, I dont have iphones around to test it 
properly. If someone could test it would be good to know if this is a 
global iOS problem or something we did wrong.


thanks

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[PD] tips for loading a long video with GEM

[enrike]

hi all

We tried to open a whole movie with GEM but PD really struggled. The 
frame maximum rate we achieved was very unstable and around 1 / 0.5 fps. 
The file was an mp4 with H264 compression and it was around 1.1G if I 
remember well.


I kind of remember that compression settings (intraframe) might help as 
some of the problems might have to do with compression being too high 
any tips?


thanks

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[PD] microbit to PD anyone? (via Bluetooth and no MIDI)

[enrike]

hi all

I would like to get data from microbit's sensors into PD wirelessly. I 
have found a couple of examples but both use MIDI and I would like to 
stay away from that if possible. has anyone done this?


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Re: [PD] autotune external for OSX anyone?

[Enrike]

this sound interesting. I did not know it thanks!

2019(e)ko urriaren 31(a) 22:06:41 (CET)-(e)an, katja 
-(e)k hau idatzi zuen:
>On 10/31/19, enrike  wrote:
>
>> Compiling the code is not an option in this case, I don't have a mac
>I
>> could setup to compile and I would not like to mess the student's
>machine.
>
>You could cross-compile for OSX using the osxcross project:
>
>https://github.com/tpoechtrager/osxcross
>
>I just started using it on Debian-based Linux to compile Pd externals,
>works great.
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Re: [PD] Fwd: autotune external for OSX anyone?

[Enrike]

thanks! it would be ideal to use the same across all platforms but this works 
fine 

2019(e)ko urriaren 31(a) 13:45:05 (CET)-(e)an, Marco Matteo Markidis 
-(e)k hau idatzi zuen:
>Hi,
>
>can it be [autotuned~] (not [autotune~])? in this case, for osx try
>this[1]. link of Katja.
>
>cheers
>
>[1]: http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/autotuned~_v0.zip
>
>Il giorno gio 31 ott 2019 alle ore 09:45 enrike  ha
>scritto:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> A student working on latest OSX wants to test autotune-like
>techniques.
>> After checking online I found that pd-l2ork comes with an autotune
>> external.
>>
>> However we are using the stand-alone Malinette PD
>> (http://malinette.info/en/#downloads) which uses vanilla PD. So I
>just
>> copied the external binary file to our PD extra folder but then we
>get
>> this error on start-up
>>
>> /Users/blahblah/malinette-soft-mac-master/externals/autotune
>> ~/autotune-.pd_darwin: mach-o, but wrong architecture
>>
>> I guess the autotune extra is compiled for a different architecture
>to
>> that of our particular PD version. Any ideas how to go about this? or
>> maybe alternatives?
>>
>> Compiling the code is not an option in this case, I don't have a mac
>I
>> could setup to compile and I would not like to mess the student's
>machine.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> enrike
>>
>>
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[PD] autotune external for OSX anyone?

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Hi

A student working on latest OSX wants to test autotune-like techniques. 
After checking online I found that pd-l2ork comes with an autotune external.


However we are using the stand-alone Malinette PD 
(http://malinette.info/en/#downloads) which uses vanilla PD. So I just 
copied the external binary file to our PD extra folder but then we get 
this error on start-up


/Users/blahblah/malinette-soft-mac-master/externals/autotune 
~/autotune-.pd_darwin: mach-o, but wrong architecture


I guess the autotune extra is compiled for a different architecture to 
that of our particular PD version. Any ideas how to go about this? or 
maybe alternatives?


Compiling the code is not an option in this case, I don't have a mac I 
could setup to compile and I would not like to mess the student's machine.


thanks

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Re: [PD] Advice on PD versions for classroom deployment

[enrike]

this does deploy PD + many libraries into a standalone version of PD. It 
is easy to add new ones or modify the .bat/.sh they provide to meet your 
needs


http://malinette.info/en/#downloads


19/5/24 18:31(e)an, Martin Dupras igorleak idatzi zuen:

For several years now, I've been deploying Pd-extended in my teaching
environments, and linking to the same installers so that my students
could install exactly the same version on their own machines. (I am
perfectly aware that Pd-extended has not been maintained for some
time.)

I would welcome advice about a strategy to deploy a monolithic "same
everywhere" version of PD. Ideally, this would be with a set of
libraries that are fixed at a given version and work the same on MacOS
and Windows.

I'm leaning toward Purr-data, but as I understand it does not yet have
Gem on MacOS. Is that right?

Alternatively, would there be a way for me to install PD-vanilla and
Deken install some libraries in such a way that I can deploy a copy
with all dependencies in a single folder?

In essence, the constraints have to do with the fact that software
installations are managed by our IT team, so I need to give them a
specific set of instruction and be reasonably guaranteed that the
results will work. Neither students (nor I) can I install software on
those machines. It's also important to me to insure that students can
bring their work to and from university to home, and that the work in
progress that send me opens and works on my machine.

Any good suggestions?

Thanks,

- martin



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Re: [PD] syncjams with no connection

[enrike]

19/4/18 05:54(e)an, Chris McCormick igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi Enrike,

On 17/4/19 4:03 pm, enrike wrote:

I will think about how to make this work as you would expe
one more thing, I would like to have a toggle displaying the 
connection status, is there an specific message the syncjams object 
issues when the connection is ready? I am checking but I cannot see 
any coming out of the object that I could use for this.


Yes I believe there is, if you check the help patch. You could use this 
to wait a few seconds and if no connection is made set the default 
parameters you want.


I have been checking the help files from start and I dont see clearly 
any message that is issued by the syncjams object when the connection is 
ready.


btw. if no connection is made no status message can be sent to the 
syncjams, well yo can, but they dont have any effect. For instance if no 
connection is available the BPM argument does not work, and passing a 
new BPM status message does not change the synjams object current BPM






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Re: [PD] syncjams with no connection

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On 16/4/19 9:19 pm, enrike wrote:
Couple of issues about syncjams library. I am using it in a place with 
no wifi connection and I noticed


- The argument BPM does not have any effect
syncjams $0/syncer, bpm 60, namespace syncjams, port 23232

- I would expect that a set-state message would actually work locally 
even if there is no internet connection (I notice there is a connect 
127.0.0.1 inside the syncjams object) . So issuing a set-state /test 
10 message to my instance of syncjams would actually be output by the 
state, a kind of internal loop. but it does not


is this the intended behaviour? thanks!


This is how the library works now, but I do not think it makes sense 
from a user perspective.


yes I know what you mean. In my case I think it would be nice to be able 
to work without connecting the computer to a network. Specially being 
able to set the BPM with the argument. Another scenario would be when 
solo rehearsing a part of a piece developed for group network 
performance, if there is no wifi connection the BMP and messages wont 
work. But I agree it is not the most common scenario nowadays.



I will think about how to make this work as you would expe
one more thing, I would like to have a toggle displaying the connection 
status, is there an specific message the syncjams object issues when the 
connection is ready? I am checking but I cannot see any coming out of 
the object that I could use for this.


thanks

enrike





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hi

Couple of issues about syncjams library. I am using it in a place with 
no wifi connection and I noticed


- The argument BPM does not have any effect
syncjams $0/syncer, bpm 60, namespace syncjams, port 23232

- I would expect that a set-state message would actually work locally 
even if there is no internet connection (I notice there is a connect 
127.0.0.1 inside the syncjams object) . So issuing a set-state /test 10 
message to my instance of syncjams would actually be output by the 
state, a kind of internal loop. but it does not


is this the intended behaviour? thanks!

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Re: [PD] sending patch + folder to PDParty

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19/4/9 05:22(e)an, Chris McCormick igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi Dan,

On 9/4/19 5:28 am, Dan Wilcox wrote:
The .pdz file is just a renamed .zip which makes the associating to 
PdParty, etc a lot easier. This should work on any scene type or even 
just a simple folder. I imagine your use case is to zip up a folder of 
patches and some rescue files, so this should work fine.
I have just noticed that the documentation on the droidparty.net site 
says the file extension should be .dpz not .pdz and perhaps this is the 
source of the issue. I have added a ticket to fix this in PdDroidParty:


https://github.com/chr15m/PdDroidParty/issues/45

Not sure if I will get to it before the weekend, Enrike. Will see.


this could be it maybe. I will try tonight, thanks!




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I tried with a zip but it does not work. It just opens each of the 
files in the zip.


Does "it just opens each of the files in the zip" mean the OS unzips the 
zip file and then calls PdParty for each patch or does it mean that 
PdParty gets the zip and unzips it into the application directory but 
without a containing folder?


(sorry I dont use iPhone and I have to "steal" my partner's one to run 
the tests) The mail program seems to unzip the zip and displays all the 
files in the fip in a horizontal scroll list. I dont get to see PdParty 
at all. It looks to me like PdParty does not get involved at all.


It would be great to have it working before the weekend. we have a 
performance, but we can borrow an android phone. so there is no hurry,


We'll see. In the meantime, I'm assuming you've read the section in the 
PdParty user guide about how copy patches onto a device? There is a 
built-in WebDAV server that facilitates this: 
http://danomatika.com/code/pdparty/guide#detailed-instructions If you're 
just deploying to a set number of devices once, this would work fine and 
is what I use mainly.


yeah I tried that as well. I could not connect to the phone, it did not 
allow me. bear in mind that I am all the time jumping onto the iphone 
when I see it around and "free" :) so it is quite difficult to be 
methodic about running tests



but it would be great to find out how to do this.


There is no "find how to do this." It either works or doesn't. If it 
doesn't, then I don't have the app configured correctly to tell the OS 
what files are associated with it. This did work a while ago, but 
perhaps something has changed in newer versions of iOS.


ok I am going to check too which version of iOS is running. I should 
have done it the first time it failed.


thanks

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[enrike]

I tried with a zip but it does not work. It just opens each of the files 
in the zip. It would be great to have it working before the weekend. we 
have a performance, but we can borrow an android phone. so there is no 
hurry, but it would be great to find out how to do this.


thanks

19/4/8 09:54(e)an, Dan Wilcox igorleak idatzi zuen:
You can also try a regular .zip. PdParty should be associated with .pd, 
.zip, & .pdz files. I can look into it but it would take at least a 
couple of days for a new version to come out if I need to fixed any 
bugs, so that may not help you if you need it working today/tomorrow.


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hi

I am trying to test in iPhone a patch built using PDDroidParty. My
problem is that together with the droidparty_main.pd I have a folder
with pd abstractions.

For me the best solution to install the patches would be to send them
into an email or some kind of message same as we do in Android: all
zipped together in a .dpz file. We are going to be sending this to a
group of people with different types of phones and we need to get this
up and running as soon as possible.

However the iphone does not recognises the .pdz as a PdParty file and it
does not give the option to copy it to the PdParty folder. I can send
them the .pd files attached individually but then I have to one by one
copy them into the folder and they are a few of them.

Is there any other easy to use method to send them all into the PdParty
folder?

thanks

enrike



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hi

I am trying to test in iPhone a patch built using PDDroidParty. My 
problem is that together with the droidparty_main.pd I have a folder 
with pd abstractions.


For me the best solution to install the patches would be to send them 
into an email or some kind of message same as we do in Android: all 
zipped together in a .dpz file. We are going to be sending this to a 
group of people with different types of phones and we need to get this 
up and running as soon as possible.


However the iphone does not recognises the .pdz as a PdParty file and it 
does not give the option to copy it to the PdParty folder. I can send 
them the .pd files attached individually but then I have to one by one 
copy them into the folder and they are a few of them.


Is there any other easy to use method to send them all into the PdParty 
folder?


thanks

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Re: [PD] mobile devices: knowledge gathering

[enrike]

hi jakob

my experience is with PDDroidparty, I am not sure if it is very 
different with MobMuPlat. If you can stick to PDpDroidarty like 
developing system it makes the working process way more simple than 
going into something like OpenFrameworks + libPD


some years ago I tried other options (OF, Processing, Python), from all 
of them Processing was the easier one for me, but it was only Android at 
the time. not sure now. However using PDDroidParty is by far way easier 
than any of those, but you are limited by the GUI elements you can use.


I dont think you can get GEM working on android. All the externals I 
have used are pure pd, no binaries.


good luck

enrike


19/4/5 16:57(e)an, Jakob Laue igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hey all,
For a university project I need to develop a pd patch on Mac OSX and 
then run/port the patch on/to a mobile device of my choice (iPhone, 
iPad, Android Phone).
I own an iPhone 6 so I would prefer to go the iOS/iPhone way but I am 
also thankful for any hint on Android stuff.

I think that I can borrow any of the above devices from my university :-)
I would really appreciate it if someone could point me into the right 
direction before I start with something without knowing that there is 
actually a better option I could take.

So...
- what ways of porting pd patches to a mobile device do you know?
- Are there restrictions for using external libraries like zexy or 
cyclone that I need to take into account while developing my patch on OSX?
- Is it possible to use GEM in the pd patch when it has to be running a 
mobile device?

What I have heard about so far is:
- libPd
- hvcc https://github.com/enzienaudio/hvcc
- MobMuPlat (probably not going to be considered as I need a custom 
interface beyond sliders and buttons)

Thanks from Flensburg,
Jakob

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Re: [PD] chronometer + metronome that syncs multiple Android/iOS devices over network?

[enrike]

On 11/3/19 4:48 pm, enrike wrote:
This sounds like a bug. If you can get me a patch that replicates it 
reliably I'll file an issue on GitHub.


I will try but its going to be difficult because it just happens very 
randomly and I dont see any pattern at all to guess where it might 
come from. Just in case it is an initialization issue with the BPM 
argument in the sync-jams object, I am passing a set-state /BPM 60 
message on loadbang after a 1 sec delay. So far I have not seen it 
again but it pops very very randomly so it might be coming from 
anywhere else.


Do you have some evidence to point to this being the case? It would be 
good to know if there is a bug in the initialisation code.


What I mean is, are you specifically seeing the bug occur immediately 
after a new device joins?


My "feeling" is that whenever it has happened, it has always been on 
start, when the devices joined for the first time. But it has been very 
random to get any solid evidence or see any pattern. We will continue 
doing tests so if I see anything I will report.


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[enrike]

I just experienced this again. For some reason despite BMP was 60 the 
tick was twice faster, if not more, for a while, later it went down to 
60. I dont know why this might be happening. It just happens 
sometimes. I think at some point it was the opposite, it went down to 
30bpm or so.


Hi Enrike,

This sounds like a bug. If you can get me a patch that replicates it 
reliably I'll file an issue on GitHub.


I will try but its going to be difficult because it just happens very 
randomly and I dont see any pattern at all to guess where it might come 
from. Just in case it is an initialization issue with the BPM argument 
in the sync-jams object, I am passing a set-state /BPM 60 message on 
loadbang after a 1 sec delay. So far I have not seen it again but it 
pops very very randomly so it might be coming from anywhere else.


enrike





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[enrike]

we would like to do the following: on device joined send a message only 
to that device. is this possible?


I actually solved the problem I had by setting.getting a state, so no 
need to send messages individually. nice system btw.


also I feel we have experienced some weird fluctuations in the tick. is 
the Symcjams tick trying to be as accurate as possible? or it is more 
important to maintain a shared tick where all devices are in sync even 
if the tick becomes a bit irregular?


I just experienced this again. For some reason despite BMP was 60 the 
tick was twice faster, if not more, for a while, later it went down to 
60. I dont know why this might be happening. It just happens sometimes. 
I think at some point it was the opposite, it went down to 30bpm or so.


thanks

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we would like to do the following: on device joined send a message only 
to that device. is this possible?


also I feel we have experienced some weird fluctuations in the tick. is 
the Symcjams tick trying to be as accurate as possible? or it is more 
important to maintain a shared tick where all devices are in sync even 
if the tick becomes a bit irregular?


thanks

enrike

19/3/7 02:55(e)an, Chris McCormick igorleak idatzi zuen:

On 7/3/19 5:17 am, enrike wrote:> there are some issues I need to check yet

One thing that would make SyncJams more reliable is if I removed the 
elaborate state-sync feature. Alas I succumbed to the typical programmer 
scope-creep and tried to throw the whole kitchen sink into the protocol. 
What I should have done, and what I hope to work on in future, is to 
keep a very tight focus on clock sync. This would reduce the amount of 
traffic on the network to a single UDP packet per tick.


Cheers,

Chris.






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[enrike]

(I am fighting now with PdDroidPublisher as we would need to have an 
apk that we can just install into participants mobiles. The 
PdDroidPublisher documentation is outdated as far as I can see and I 
far from being an expert in Android Studio configuration, lets see)


If you can get the PdDroidParty apk installed on the devices then it's 
possible to distribute the patch as a zip file to the devices quite 
easily. You can zip the patch folder and then rename the zip so it has a 
`.dpz` extension. If a user has PdDroidParty installed and they receive 
a .dpz file by email or click on a link to a .dpz file then it should 
automatically open in PdDroidParty.


This still means you have to install two things (the DroidParty apk and 
the .dpz file) but maybe it's easier than creating a custom apk and 
easier than copying the folder onto SD cards one by one.


ok, this is actually quite a good method and it is rather painless 
compared to installing and fighting with android studio/sdk/ndk etc...


More info about this can be found in the "Sharing your patches" section 
on the droidparty.net site.


thanks I didnt see that sorry

enrike



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[enrike]

I already have a test version running! nice. I used PDdroidparty and I 
get a phone and two computers running the same chronometer in sync. 
there are some issues I need to check yet but it seems this like this is 
the right direction to go. I will dump the code into github when it is 
useable.


(I am fighting now with PdDroidPublisher as we would need to have an apk 
that we can just install into participants mobiles. The PdDroidPublisher 
documentation is outdated as far as I can see and I far from being an 
expert in Android Studio configuration, lets see)


enrike


19/3/6 04:13(e)an, Chris McCormick igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hello Enrike,

On 6/3/19 12:18 am, enrike wrote:
We need a chronometer that runs in sync in multiple devices at the 
same time.


SyncJams might work for you:

https://github.com/chr15m/SyncJams

The algorithm it uses is tolerant of adverse network conditions. All 
devices run their own internal clock and the clocks converge on a 
consensus "current tick".


The algorithm is very simple: every device broadcasts its current tick 
over the network. If a device receives a tick which is higher & earlier 
than it expected it immediately resets its own clock to that new timing.


What this means in practice is the smallest (i.e. best) point-to-point 
ping time between any two participating patches is the closest that the 
clocks will get in sync. On a WiFi LAN this is generally on the order of 
1 to 3 milliseconds which is close enough for most musical applications. 
In my experience devices converge on that value quite quickly after 
joining the network.


Here's a video of Chris Rice aggressively changing the BPM from which 
the devices manage to recover after a second or two:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNvD-KQhR9k

Here are two Android devices syncing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tlEZwttBM

I've been planning to revisit the project to simplify it and port to 
Supercollider etc. for some time but who knows if I'll ever get around 
to that.


Cheers,

Chris.






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hi all

We need a chronometer that runs in sync in multiple devices at the same 
time. Target platform is android, and if possible iOS as well. We are 
thinking also that it would be great to have some sort of metronome 
running together with the chronometer (we have trained musicians 
together with non trained musicians in the ensemble).


So far we have been using http://chronograph.io/ so far but it is not 
100% reliable, we had a few issues last performance (one device was ~1 
sec behind the others, and often during rehearsals we had problems with 
the start signal not being sent at all).


I am considering the possibility of implementing this functionality in 
PD using PDdroidparty and OSC. Because we dont like the tools we have 
found online. We found some nice metronomes but the only one that seems 
to sync is only iOS. And we do need the chronometer (in fact priority n1 
is the chronometer right now). I thought maybe someone can point into 
some existing alternative before I try to reinvent the wheel.


One of the biggest issues I foresee is to find an easy and quick way for 
the master device to find out the available slaves in the network. I 
would not like to have to, one by one, find and then type the IPs of 
each single device in the master device, although the master could be a 
laptop running PD and that would make it easier to type them...


thanks in advance for any feedback

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Re: [PD] (GEM) running pix_film without installing quicktime?

[enrike]

On this machine I am testing now I have the standard desktop. I am 
running windows 7. I think the machines in the lab are the same



18/11/29 16:22(e)an, Chris Clepper igorleak idatzi zuen:
You have DirectShow support which can load video.  Make sure the 
Aero/Metro/etc is turned off and you have the 'Standard Desktop' only.


DirectShow is far better on Windows than Quicktime too.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 3:19 AM enrike <mailto:alte...@gmail.com>> wrote:



 >> ok but do I need to install those codecs or can I just drop a dll
 >> inside GEM?
 >
 > i don't think so ...
 >
 >
 > just out of curiosity: can you playback this ?
 >
 >
http://klingt.org/fileservice/downloads/05826154340905930-test2_cut.zip
 >
 > (that's a simple 2 seconds mjpeg file encoded with FFMPEG.)

I will try in the evening in the class computers but at home I have a
clean windows 7 install in an old machine. I tried there but does not
play the video you sent. In the PD console I get this

filmQT: Could not initialize quicktime: error -2093

[pix_movie]: DirectShow support

[pix_movie]: opening

C:/Users/r2d2/Desktop/malinette-soft-win-master/malinette-soft-win-master/malinette-ide/projects/malinette-default/test2_cut.avi

with format 1908

Unable to connect filters -2147220969

[pix_movie]: unable to open file:

C:/Users/r2d2/Desktop/malinette-soft-win-master/malinette-soft-win-master/malinette-ide/projects/malinette-default/test2_cut.avi




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Re: [PD] (GEM) running pix_film without installing quicktime?

[enrike]

when does your class start?

i think antoine is right... DLL's can just be put in the same directory 
as executable.


but can you even run an executable on the machines? deep freeze?


the class is already happening. I cannot do anything that requires admin 
rights on those machines. It looks like I will have to apply the tech 
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[enrike]

ok but do I need to install those codecs or can I just drop a dll inside 
GEM? my main problem is that I cannot install anything on those machines 
(well, I can but it will take weeks and a few layers of bureaucracy)


18/11/28 11:44(e)an, mark edward grimm (megrimm) igorleak idatzi zuen:

Yeah I was going to mention the ffdshow stuff. That’s exactly what we used 
here. Worked great. Quicktime not needed.

m


On Nov 28, 2018, at 1:46 AM, oliver  wrote:

enrike wrote:

yeah windows 8 I think (cannot check until later today)


Quicktime isn't needed for Gem video playback, but FFMPEG should be at hand, to 
provide fast and quick video conversion.

my best experience with Gem on win is using an MJPEG codec within an .avi 
container. you will probably need ffdshow codecs (or another codec pack that 
contains mjpeg) to play them.

make sure to have 32bit versions of PD, Gem, AND your codecs !

another fine codec that works with Gem is UT (higher quality images but larger 
filesices). in general all image-based codecs for the .avi container that are 
installed and running on windows should work. wmv probably too

best

oliver


sorry I thought about specifying the OS in the email but then I forgot in the 
last moment
18/11/28 02:15(e)an, mark edward grimm (megrimm) igorleak idatzi zuen:

What system? I’m assuming windows...

I ask because I teach a summer course and the problem you speak of sounds 
familiar.


On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:31 PM, enrike  wrote:

hi

I started teaching a course on using PD for real time sound and graphics and I 
just discovered that the computers do not have QuickTime installed. Getting it 
installed is going to take weeks. Too late for the course I am afraid.

is there some way to incorporate manually into the GEM folder the required dlls 
and files from a QuickTime install in another machine?

if this would be feasible, which ones should I copy and where should they be? I 
made some quick tests with no luck.

thanks

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Re: [PD] (GEM) running pix_film without installing quicktime?

[enrike]

yeah windows 8 I think (cannot check until later today)

sorry I thought about specifying the OS in the email but then I forgot 
in the last moment


18/11/28 02:15(e)an, mark edward grimm (megrimm) igorleak idatzi zuen:

What system? I’m assuming windows...

I ask because I teach a summer course and the problem you speak of sounds 
familiar.


On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:31 PM, enrike  wrote:

hi

I started teaching a course on using PD for real time sound and graphics and I 
just discovered that the computers do not have QuickTime installed. Getting it 
installed is going to take weeks. Too late for the course I am afraid.

is there some way to incorporate manually into the GEM folder the required dlls 
and files from a QuickTime install in another machine?

if this would be feasible, which ones should I copy and where should they be? I 
made some quick tests with no luck.

thanks

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[enrike]

hi

I started teaching a course on using PD for real time sound and graphics 
and I just discovered that the computers do not have QuickTime 
installed. Getting it installed is going to take weeks. Too late for the 
course I am afraid.


is there some way to incorporate manually into the GEM folder the 
required dlls and files from a QuickTime install in another machine?


if this would be feasible, which ones should I copy and where should 
they be? I made some quick tests with no luck.


thanks

enrike



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Re: [PD] pix_delay limits

[enrike]

thanks, I just checked and I am not sure how to understand the results

- pix_delay 3000 happily goes up to 83% RAM and stays there once the
delay is full
- pix_delay 4000 crashes when the RAM reaches 43%


are there other consumers of memory?


yeah RAM usage is around 38% before opening PD


could it be that pix_delay 4000 requires more RAM than the available BUT
it only crashes after a while when the system or PD realises that there
is not enough RAM?


Pd doesn't know anything about that.

however, with modern OS, you can overcommit memory, that is, you can ask
for more memory than is actually available, and the OS will happily give
you a handle to that (non-existant) memory, hoping that by the time you
want to use it, some other processes have already released their memory
claims.
you might well experience this.

you can check the size required to store your image data with roughly:
  ***
with  being 4 for the typical RGBA pixes (the default on linux
and w32) and 2 for YUV (the default on macOS, iirc).

if you don't care about alpha, you could convert the pixes to YUV before
sending them to [pix_delay] using the [pix_yuv] object, possibly
reducing memory load by 50%.

also, these days i'll usually suggest using [pix_buffer] to build your
own delay-line.
it allows you fine-grained control over pre-allocation of the images, as
well as images of varying size and is generally more flexible.


ok thanks! I will have a look into that

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thanks, I just checked and I am not sure how to understand the results

- pix_delay 3000 happily goes up to 83% RAM and stays there once the 
delay is full

- pix_delay 4000 crashes when the RAM reaches 43%

could it be that pix_delay 4000 requires more RAM than the available BUT 
it only crashes after a while when the system or PD realises that there 
is not enough RAM?



og., 2018.eko uztren 19a 12:16(e)an, Max igorleak idatzi zuen:
AFAIK it's limited to the amount of RAM you have, so maybe adding RAM 
might help. Have a look at the memory usage to test this assumption.


On 19.07.2018 12:10, enrike wrote:

hi

we are trying to have a few minutes long pix_delay but we are getting 
errors. it should be somewhere between 3 and 5 mins.


In my linux laptop, a pix_delay with an argument around 4000 crashes 
PD after 1 min. But a pix_delay with 3000 as argument works fine.


some quick tests
- pix_delay 3000. works fine
- pix_delay 3500. crashes as the object is created ONLY if the GEM 
window is open

- pix_delay 4000. crashes around one minute after the object creation

any suggestions? I attach the patch I am using for testing but it is 
simple and I cannot see anything weird in it.


thanks

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[PD] pix_delay limits

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hi

we are trying to have a few minutes long pix_delay but we are getting 
errors. it should be somewhere between 3 and 5 mins.


In my linux laptop, a pix_delay with an argument around 4000 crashes PD 
after 1 min. But a pix_delay with 3000 as argument works fine.


some quick tests
- pix_delay 3000. works fine
- pix_delay 3500. crashes as the object is created ONLY if the GEM 
window is open

- pix_delay 4000. crashes around one minute after the object creation

any suggestions? I attach the patch I am using for testing but it is 
simple and I cannot see anything weird in it.


thanks

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Re: [PD] object that routes bangs to different outputs like a counter?

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I am doing *very* short introductions to PD to art students who are 
very far from being technical. In that context I noticed that the less 
connections the better. I basically provide them with ready to use 
examples and a basic understanding of how to tweak them.



I don't blame anyone having trouble to creating box and connecting them, 
but I think pd is not the right tools for someone in this situation.

there are lot's of tools and programming language available...


nothing I have checked so far does fulfil the requirements here. thats 
why I introduce to PD, but I not teach PD. I just point them into the 
tool and allow them to know the basic functions. If anyone wants to 
learn it I point into vanilla and the tutorials. I would love to be able 
to properly teach them, but it is impossible given the student's 
background, the context and the time limits


if you have some suggestion about some tool to replace PD please let me 
know.


thanks

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or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 17:13(e)an, IOhannes m zmölnig igorleak idatzi 
zuen:

On 10/13/2017 11:06 AM, enrike wrote:

I know, but I just wanted to know if there something that does the same
job but within a single object


why?
what does it buy you? what does it cost you?


sorry I did not provide any context and I guess it is difficult to 
understand why would anyone want to do such a trivial thing.


I am doing *very* short introductions to PD to art students who are very 
far from being technical. In that context I noticed that the less 
connections the better. I basically provide them with ready to use 
examples and a basic understanding of how to tweak them.


I could have created a simple abstraction encapsulating the structure 
but since the number of outputs must be dynamically created on load I am 
not sure about how to do it. I also thought it might be already 
something out there, I did not want to reinvent the wheel


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Re: [PD] object that routes bangs to different outputs like a counter?

[enrike]

ok, yes this is almost what I was looking for


or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 17:02(e)an, Alexandre Torres Porres igorleak 
idatzi zuen:

you could use cyclone/cycle for something like that

2017-10-13 6:27 GMT-03:00 Jean-Marie Adrien <jm.adrien@gmail.com 
<mailto:jm.adrien@gmail.com>>:


gate 5 ?
basically same as above….
 > Le 13 oct. 2017 à 11:06, enrike <alte...@gmail.com
<mailto:alte...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
 >
 > I know, but I just wanted to know if there something that does
the same job but within a single object
 >
 >
 > or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 10:31(e)an, cyrille henry igorleak
idatzi zuen:
 >> You have the solution in your mail :
 >> you can make a counter with [f] [+ 1] and [% 5] then a [select 0
1 2 3 4] will do what you want.
 >> why do you need something else?
     >> cheers
 >> c
 >> Le 13/10/2017 à 10:17, enrike a écrit :
 >>> hi
 >>>
 >>> sorry for poor email title, is there an object that receives
bangs and spits them sequencially to different outputs?
 >>>
 >>> a bit like a counter plus a select 0 1 2 ... but it would take
an argument that sets the number of outputs
 >>>
 >>> it might well be that it exists and I am failing to find it...
 >>>
 >>> thanks
 >>>
 >>> enrike
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Re: [PD] object that routes bangs to different outputs like a counter?

[enrike]

it is not exactly that. when you continuously bang a gate it just spits 
the bang in the first outlet. I want it to cycle the outlets



or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 11:27(e)an, Jean-Marie Adrien igorleak idatzi zuen:

gate 5 ?
basically same as above….

Le 13 oct. 2017 à 11:06, enrike <alte...@gmail.com> a écrit :

I know, but I just wanted to know if there something that does the same job but 
within a single object


or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 10:31(e)an, cyrille henry igorleak idatzi zuen:

You have the solution in your mail :
you can make a counter with [f] [+ 1] and [% 5] then a [select 0 1 2 3 4] will 
do what you want.
why do you need something else?
cheers
c
Le 13/10/2017 à 10:17, enrike a écrit :

hi

sorry for poor email title, is there an object that receives bangs and spits 
them sequencially to different outputs?

a bit like a counter plus a select 0 1 2 ... but it would take an argument that 
sets the number of outputs

it might well be that it exists and I am failing to find it...

thanks

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I know, but I just wanted to know if there something that does the same 
job but within a single object



or., 2017.eko urrren 13a 10:31(e)an, cyrille henry igorleak idatzi zuen:

You have the solution in your mail :
you can make a counter with [f] [+ 1] and [% 5] then a [select 0 1 2 3 
4] will do what you want.


why do you need something else?

cheers
c



Le 13/10/2017 à 10:17, enrike a écrit :

hi

sorry for poor email title, is there an object that receives bangs and 
spits them sequencially to different outputs?


a bit like a counter plus a select 0 1 2 ... but it would take an 
argument that sets the number of outputs


it might well be that it exists and I am failing to find it...

thanks

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[PD] object that routes bangs to different outputs like a counter?

[enrike]

hi

sorry for poor email title, is there an object that receives bangs and 
spits them sequencially to different outputs?


a bit like a counter plus a select 0 1 2 ... but it would take an 
argument that sets the number of outputs


it might well be that it exists and I am failing to find it...

thanks

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Re: [PD] How to build a Pd project like an application ?

[enrike]

hi

I just quickly tried on Ubuntu and it seems to run, but I just tried 
very briefly. I hope to have more time tomorrow and maybe check it on 
windows too. It looks interesting.


enrike

ar., 2017.eko urrren 03a 15:33(e)an, abel.jer...@free.fr igorleak idatzi 
zuen:

Hi,

I choose the "Egregore" patches way to share crossplatfom projects :
- a startup script (.sh for mac and linux, .bat for windows)
- pd from Miller Puckette Web site (compiled for linux)
- ~20 externals download with Deken from 3 differents computers : win7/8/10 + 
mac osX + ubuntu ( ++ gaga  ++ )
- project : malinette + tclplugins

First attemps here : http://reso-nance.org/public/pd-malinette/test05/

If someone want to try...

Best

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Re: [PD] standalone with preferences included on OSX?

[enrike]

I have solved it with a script then I bundled together the script and PD 
with Platypus. So far it seems to work fine, but I have to test it properly


On or., 2017.eko urtren 13a 13:38, Nicolas Montgermont via Pd-list wrote:

I don't remember precisely how I've done but you can have a look at the
code here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/chdh-egregore/code/ci/master/tree/
there is an "empty" app here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/chdh-egregore/code/ci/master/tree/template/
and the "generate release" script brings everything together:
https://sourceforge.net/p/chdh-egregore/code/ci/master/tree/generate_release.sh
n

http://www.nimon.org

Le 13/01/2017 à 13:15, cyrille henry a écrit :

hello,
we have done something similar to distribute a chdh performance on a
usb stick.
Nicolas did the job for osX. As far as I remember, he started from an
old pd-extended package, change the pd version, add externals and did
few glue to start everything as we wanted

You can download it and see how it works :

http://www.chdh.net/egregore_source.php

cheers
c


Le 12/01/2017 à 17:17, enrike a écrit :

hi

I would like to have a version of PD with a set of externals and to
be able to pass that app to some students not needing to set the
preferences to load the externals in every machine (neither copy the
preferences file). I want it to be 100% portable.

I was reading this old post about something similar
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-10/065691.html

Is it possible to achieve this nowadays?

thanks

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Re: [PD] standalone with preferences included on OSX?

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thanks. I will have a look


On or., 2017.eko urtren 13a 13:15, cyrille henry wrote:

hello,
we have done something similar to distribute a chdh performance on a usb
stick.
Nicolas did the job for osX. As far as I remember, he started from an
old pd-extended package, change the pd version, add externals and did
few glue to start everything as we wanted

You can download it and see how it works :

http://www.chdh.net/egregore_source.php

cheers
c


Le 12/01/2017 à 17:17, enrike a écrit :

hi

I would like to have a version of PD with a set of externals and to be
able to pass that app to some students not needing to set the
preferences to load the externals in every machine (neither copy the
preferences file). I want it to be 100% portable.

I was reading this old post about something similar
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-10/065691.html

Is it possible to achieve this nowadays?

thanks

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Re: [PD] standalone with preferences included on OSX?

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On or., 2017.eko urtren 13a 12:18, Christof Ressi wrote:

creating a bat script that opens bin/pd.exe with the
right flags to point to the extras and load them.


I was just going to suggest that. Since you already did that on windows, what's 
the reason why that approach doesn't work for you on OSX (with a shell script)? 
I also don't see why you needed a .exe, the user can just click on the 
script... or is it just because people are used to launch programs from 
clicking executables?


yeah, technophobic art students get scared of anything.

I will try to go for the script but starting an app from a shell script 
is not what they are used to :) I wanted to find a solution that would 
allow me to pass them a copy of PD that they just double click to run 
with no setup involved at all.


I know that they would learn more if they would install the extras and 
set the paths and preferences, but some of them would drop at there



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i see, but I would try to avoid creating my own build. In windows I 
solved this by creating a bat script that opens bin/pd.exe with the 
right flags to point to the extras and load them. Then I used a bat to 
exe converter program to compile an exe out of the bat file, placed the 
exe at the root of pd and problem solved.



On og., 2017.eko urtren 12a 17:59, Alex Norman wrote:

Since pd is open source you could always modify the defaults and make
your own build but it shouldn't have to come to that.
100% portable.. I assume you're only targeting one os? Which one?

For Mac I think you should be able to put your externals in extra
(inside Pd.app <http://Pd.app>) and.. Can you use declare with stdpath
to reference those?

A three step process would probably be more educational though.. Install
pd, copy all these externals to a given place, write this into pdrc..

Alex

On January 12, 2017 8:17:50 AM PST, enrike <alte...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi

I would like to have a version of PD with a set of externals and to be
able to pass that app to some students not needing to set the
preferences to load the externals in every machine (neither copy the
preferences file). I want it to be 100% portable.

I was reading this old post about something similar
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-10/065691.html

Is it possible to achieve this nowadays?

thanks

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Re: [PD] standalone with preferences included on OSX?

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I know, but this is a teaching situation with very short time and 
non-technical students. I would like to be able to drop a version of PD 
with everything already included and setup so that we can straight away 
start patching


On og., 2017.eko urtren 12a 19:31, Christof Ressi wrote:

I think a good way to distribute a project that should really work out
of the box is to include all needed externals and abstractions within
your patch folder (probably in subfolders to give it some structure) and
then [declare] the relative paths inside your patch. Ideally you would
even include Pd itself (the version you need) and make a script which
loads your main patch with that local version of Pd.

*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 um 17:59 Uhr
*Von:* "Alex Norman" <x37v.a...@gmail.com>
*An:* pd-list@lists.iem.at, enrike <alte...@gmail.com>, "the PureData -
mailinglist" <pd-l...@iem.at>
*Betreff:* Re: [PD] standalone with preferences included on OSX?
Since pd is open source you could always modify the defaults and make
your own build but it shouldn't have to come to that.
100% portable.. I assume you're only targeting one os? Which one?

For Mac I think you should be able to put your externals in extra
(inside Pd.app <http://Pd.app>) and.. Can you use declare with stdpath
to reference those?

A three step process would probably be more educational though.. Install
pd, copy all these externals to a given place, write this into pdrc..

Alex

On January 12, 2017 8:17:50 AM PST, enrike <alte...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi

I would like to have a version of PD with a set of externals and to be
able to pass that app to some students not needing to set the
preferences to load the externals in every machine (neither copy the
preferences file). I want it to be 100% portable.

I was reading this old post about something similar
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-10/065691.html

Is it possible to achieve this nowadays?

thanks

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hi

I would like to have a version of PD with a set of externals and to be 
able to pass that app to some students not needing to set the 
preferences to load the externals in every machine (neither copy the 
preferences file). I want it to be 100% portable.


I was reading this old post about something similar
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Is it possible to achieve this nowadays?

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Re: [PD] Ubuntu Xenial repo not found

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is this install method not working and PD needs to be compile from
source?
https://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian



Are you trying to install pd vanilla or extended? As stated on that
page, the repos were for pd-extended. Vanilla should be in standard
Ubuntu repos already, though I believe 0.46.7 may be the most current
release available there. Since pd-extended is somewhat deprecated now it
is stuck somewhere around 0.43, so you will definitely not get updates
searching for that.


OMG! sorry, I made a mess... I had forgotten about the fact that before 
summer I did try to install extended but then I finally installed 
vanilla. I never removed the repos from the apt system. Now in my messy 
head both got mixed. thanks!



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hi

I am running Ubuntu Xenial with Pd 0.46.7 and I wanted to check if there 
was an update but it seems like the Xenial repo is not available any longer.


$ sudo aptitude update

Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial InRelease 


Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial Release
Err http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main amd64 Packages
  404  Not Found
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main i386 Packages
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main all Packages
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main Translation-eu_ES
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main Translation-eu
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main Translation-en
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata
Ign http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons
W: The repository 'http://apt.puredata.info/releases xenial Release' 
does not have a Release file.


is this install method not working and PD needs to be compile from source?
https://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian

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Re: [PD] detect silence

[enrike]

thanks Jaime. I was checking fiddle~ and bonk~ but I guess env~ goes 
more to the point.


og., 2016.eko iraren 08a 18:08(e)an, Jaime Oliver igorleak idatzi zuen:

env~ should help you do that.

J




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hi all

is there any abstraction or external that allows to detect silence in the sound 
in? I mean if the amplitude drops below a threshold for a given period of time.

I was thinking about how to get this going to try to build it myself then I 
thought there might be some external or abstraction that already does what I 
need. Tired of reinventing the wheel...

thanks

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hi all

is there any abstraction or external that allows to detect silence in 
the sound in? I mean if the amplitude drops below a threshold for a 
given period of time.


I was thinking about how to get this going to try to build it myself 
then I thought there might be some external or abstraction that already 
does what I need. Tired of reinventing the wheel...


thanks

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Re: [PD] GEM pix_record several gemheads

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aha! thanks, I will try this out

al., 2016.eko ekaren 06a 13:42(e)an, Claude Heiland-Allen igorleak 
idatzi zuen:

Hi Enrike,

On 06/06/16 11:23, enrike wrote:

a student trying to record the GEM window output using pix_record but it
does not get the output of all the gemheads he is using. is there a
simple way to join all the data before it is sent to the pix_record?
pix_mix maybe? but that sounds kind of wrong to me...


Multiple [gemhead]s without distinct priority will be implementation
(un)defined behaviour, similar to connection fan-out vs [trigger] issues.

Set the priority of the [gemhead] connected to [pix_record] to be later
than all the others.  See gemhead-help.pd for details, probably [gemhead
-100] will do the trick but depends on the patch.

Hopefully this helps,


Claude



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Re: [PD] dependency issue installing pd-extended in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

[enrike]

mmm yes. it is becoming a problem for us. many thanks for the tips

ig., 2016.eko mairen 15a 22:45(e)an, Dan Wilcox igorleak idatzi zuen:

Yup :P

The “everything just works” aspect of Pd-extended is a double-edged sword..

Easiest solution, I’ve found, is to start Pd with the -noprefs flag and
then check the list of objects that can’t create. After than I do a
system search for those object help files aka “locate borax-help.pd” and
see which external Pd-extended extra folder they are found in. From
that, you can build your definitive external list.


Dan Wilcox
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robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>


On May 15, 2016, at 2:31 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
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*Subject:**Re: [PD] dependency issue installing pd-extended in Ubuntu
16.04 LTS*
*Date:*May 15, 2016 at 2:30:35 PM MDT
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<mailto:lang.gerh...@gmail.com>>,pd-list@lists.iem.at
<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>


yes I know it sounds weird but here I have to be in sync with some
teachers and students at the uni running different OSs and the easiest
way is to install pd-extended :( I have a set of abstractions that
relay on  extensions included in the extended version. I would have to
expend a few days to track down which extensions I use to find a
solution ... because I just dont remember any longer which ones I used ...

oh well, I guess it is about time to do it





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Re: [PD] dependency issue installing pd-extended in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

[enrike]

yes I know it sounds weird but here I have to be in sync with some 
teachers and students at the uni running different OSs and the easiest 
way is to install pd-extended :( I have a set of abstractions that relay 
on  extensions included in the extended version. I would have to expend 
a few days to track down which extensions I use to find a solution ... 
because I just dont remember any longer which ones I used ...


oh well, I guess it is about time to do it

thanks!

ig., 2016.eko mairen 15a 00:04(e)an, Gerhard Lang igorleak idatzi zuen:

Hi enrike,
I don't see any reason to run an obsolete pd v 0.43.4-1 under Ubuntu
16.04 because there are fine pd v 0.46.7 extensions in the repos. I
think, with a little path configuration and perhaps adding some missing
libs  you will get most of your old patches running.
 From 15.10 to 16.04 the libgsl-stuff has been upgraded and is no longer
downward compatible.
But if you absolutely urge a running pd v 0.43 you will have to
recompile: manually edit the  build depency from  "libgsl0-dev" to
"libgsl-dev" and in the debian control files  "libgsl0ldbl" to "libgsl2".
Without warranty, other important libs might have been upgraded too.
I myself prefer Ivica Ico Bukvic's pd-l2ork  for it's clarity (I think
its based on 0.43) and I had to proceed in the manner described above to
get a installable .deb for Ubuntustudio 16.04. The pd-l2ork-team
inofficially announced to upgrade soon.
best regards
Gerhard

Am 14.05.2016 um 16:11 schrieb enrike:

Hi

I am trying to install the pd-extended_0.43.4-1~raring_amd64.deb
package of pd-extended in Ubuntu 16.04 but I get this dependency error

It says it depends on libgsl0ldbl (>= 1.9), and that it is not
installed. I did $ aptitude search libgsl0

this returns me

v   libgsl0-dbg
v   libgsl0-dbg:i386
v   libgsl0-dev
v   libgsl0-dev:i386

then I try to sudo aptitude install libgsl0-dev but it just does not
install anything at all. I searched with synaptic but that package is
not listed there.

I am kind of lost here. any ideas?

enrike

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[enrike]

Hi

I am trying to install the pd-extended_0.43.4-1~raring_amd64.deb package 
of pd-extended in Ubuntu 16.04 but I get this dependency error


It says it depends on libgsl0ldbl (>= 1.9), and that it is not 
installed. I did $ aptitude search libgsl0


this returns me

v   libgsl0-dbg
v   libgsl0-dbg:i386
v   libgsl0-dev
v   libgsl0-dev:i386

then I try to sudo aptitude install libgsl0-dev but it just does not 
install anything at all. I searched with synaptic but that package is 
not listed there.


I am kind of lost here. any ideas?

enrike

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[PD] EHU-abstractions new version

[enrike]

hi all

This year I have been involved again in some PD teaching so I updated a 
library of abstractions I use for students. I thought it might be 
interesting for someone out there.


Find it here in the PD section 
http://www.ixi-audio.net/content/backyard.html and the github page is 
http://github.com/enrike/ehu-abstractions


This is the description:
EHU is a set of abstractions for PureData real-time graphical 
programming environment.

EHU aims to allow for rapid prototyping of interactive systems.
Most abstractions in EHU encapsulate the GUI widgets to control them 
minimising the job of creation of widgets and connections.
EHU covers playing video files, controlling video cameras, displaying 
pictures, playing samples, audio effects, DMX controls, and some general 
utilities.


It is based on pd-extended :/ and relies on few abstractions there.

enrike



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[PD] Pd 32bits on a 64 bits Ubuntu system?

[enrike]

hi all

is there some way to run PD 32 bits on a Ubuntu 64 bits system?

sorry if this is stupid question but after a quick search I could not 
see any recent answer.


thanks

enrike

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Re: [PD] Pd 32bits on a 64 bits Ubuntu system?

[enrike]

ooops... I just realised the 64bit version seems to work ok on this 
machine (is a new one). On my desktop it has always been very 
problematic and I thought it was because the 64 bit version of pd was 
yet unstable, but it looks like there might be something in the hardware 
of my desktop that causes the trouble. interesting.




az., 2014.eko aberen 17a 21:01(e)an, IOhannes m zmölnig igorleak idatzi 
zuen:

On 12/17/2014 05:40 PM, enrike wrote:

hi all




y recent answer.



my expertise is Debian only, but should apply to ubuntu as well.

- make sure you have a recent enough system
- enable multi-arch:

   $ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

- (probably update your apt cache)

   $ sudo apt-get update

- install the i386 binary:

   $ sudo apt-get install puredata:i386


make sure to read the multiarch guide [1].

gfasdr
IOhannes

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO



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