Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Winfried Ritsch]

a sync hack I did once, ( since fons sync plugin is cpu-heavy for small arm 
computers):  open case and solder out one quartz (oscillator) of one and make 
a cable to the second boards quartz, so they are in sync and combine them 
under alsa. 

Since audio quality is not the best if powering over ComputerUSB, another 
hack: cut the USB power and make a filtered 5V one or add additional filters. 
but this is a hack... not a standard solution.

 mfg
 winfried


Am Freitag, 6. Mai 2016, 10:27:29 schrieb Miller Puckette:
> On caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will occasionally
> get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
> ways of working around this.  Maybe the best way in your particular
> situation is to have two copies of Pd and use netsend/receive to sync them
> at message level.  If you do this in short segments (< 10 minutes or so)
> the time slippage shouldn't exceed what you get anyhow because of speaker
> placement.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 05:07:06PM +0200, Peter Venus wrote:
> > well,
> > if it should be on the cheap side,
> > and the need for usb because of a lacking pcmcia/expresscard is present,
> > there there are
> > logilink ua0099 available, which are offering 8ch output
> > for 23euros
> > i bought some here:
> > http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDUyODcyOTk-/Computer_Informationstechnik/USB
> > _Technik/USB_Konverter/7_1_Kanal_USB_2_0_Soundbox_LogiLink_UA0099.html
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > peter
> > 
> > On 2016-05-06 14:54, patrice colet wrote:
> > > If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
> > >
> > >soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
> > >amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
> > >works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
> > >works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
> > >soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
> > >
> > >e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
> > >>or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs and
> > >>eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one with
> > >>express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)
> > >>
> > >>rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)
> > >>
> > >>>On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston 
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
> > >>>2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
> > >>>would be $320.
> > >>>
> > >>>If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
> > >>>$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
> > >>>few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
> > >>>chip they use and read reviews.
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
> > >>>tested this.
> > >>>
> > >>>Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
> > >>>well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
> > >>>spend $1000!
> > >>>
> > >>>On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
> >  Hello,
> >  
> >  With the following configuration :
> >  Ubuntu 16.04
> >  Pd-0.47.0
> >  
> >  I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> >  What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> >  Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> >  willing to do this job ?
> >  
> >  Ciao.
> >  ++
> >  
> >  Jack
> >  
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Derek Kwan]

On May 07, Jaime Oliver wrote:
> Hi Derek, 
> 
> Do you have the UFX working properly in Ubuntu?
> 
> Are you able to control the hardware from there? like setting the gain or 
> compressor or phantom power for a mic for example?
> 
> best,
> 
> J
> 

Hello,

I have the little brother UCX with less ins/outs but it's only halfrack
size instead of full rack (handy for throwing into an old GPS device
case and taking to gigs!), but I'm assuming that the software situation
will be similar. The way to control these interfaces from the computer
is TotalMix and as far as I know, RME only makes these for Windows and
OS X only and there's no Linux clone. Looking on my install of Ubuntu
Studio, there's Linux clones of the software for the Hammerfall devices,
but the UC* series isn't a part of that (and the original UC without the
X isn't even class compliant). I haven't really done any massive
multichannel recording stuff, I'm a percussionist by training so I
usually use the UCX for live processing myself with Pure Data or
Supercollider or on the rare occassion record myself so at most the
number of mics I have going in at one time have been about two or three.
I could imagine it being a hassle if you're trying to close-mic a
chamber to even larger ensembles if you're stuck with adjusting the
gains of even 8 separate inputs with just the knob...

Here's the big problem (even outside of that) though and imho a pretty
big design flaw: you CAN'T set phantom power to the individual XLR ins
from the interface itself. I remember spending hours trying to figure it
out... What the interface allows though is to set separate presets so
what I did is I went on a friend's Mac, opened up TotalMix and saved all
the possible 2^2 = 4 phantom power combinations for the 2 XLR ins of my
interface (off/off, on/off, off/on, on/on). So I just set the preset
combo in the knob I want. The UFX has 4 XLR ins = 4^2 = 16 possible
combinations for phantom on/off... I just looked it up and it notes that
it has 16 presets for EQ/Low cut but I'm assuming you can use those to
set phantom as well since the UCX can? I'm not sure since I don't have
access to a UFX so you might have to investigate that further...

I got my UCX when I was still a OSX user so I didn't consider these
options at the time... but I'm pretty happy with using the interface
under Linux with the minor (for my small-scale stuff) hassle of only
being able to control settings via the one knob on the device.

I'm hoping that with the (very) slowly growing popularity of the Linux
desktop via Steam games and dissatisfaction with W10/OSX that pro audio
companies will pay more attention to Linux in the future. We finally got
our first commercial DAW in Bitwig a while back and I think Reaper is
finally making its way to Linux. Until then, it's sort of like being a
second-class citizen in the pro audio world using Linux, but I'd much
rather use it over the two major alternatives... There's great
open-source options for Linux, but the larger commercial software
companies don't pay us much attention just yet... 

Hope this helps!

Derek

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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jaime Oliver]

Hi Derek, 

Do you have the UFX working properly in Ubuntu?

Are you able to control the hardware from there? like setting the gain or 
compressor or phantom power for a mic for example?

best,

J



> On May 7, 2?016, at 6:48 AM, Derek Kwan  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> With the following configuration :
>> Ubuntu 16.04
>> Pd-0.47.0
>> 
>> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>> willing to do this job ?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 and I have an RME UCX that I pretty much love.
> It's got 8 analog outs built into the device (well, 7 and 8 are mashed
> together in the form of a stereo quarter inch out) but then you get 8
> more with ADAT and 2 with SPDIF. The UCX has a big brother UFX that has
> even more outs. I use my UCX with the JACK Audio Connection Kit and then
> use Pure Data (or SuperCollider, or Ardour, or Audacity, or,.. pretty
> much anything) to talk to JACK. JACK is basically a middle man between
> your soundcard and everything else and it works great.
> 
> Well, pretty much all you need is a class compliant audio interface so
> be on the lookout for those. Unfortunately, audio interface companies
> don't like to make drivers for Linux but with the interface being class
> compliant, that doesn't matter.I think it was mentioned earlier that the
> Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 is an option. There's a handful of them out
> there.. hope this helps!
> 
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Derek Kwan]

> Hello,
> 
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
> 
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
> 
> 


I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 and I have an RME UCX that I pretty much love.
It's got 8 analog outs built into the device (well, 7 and 8 are mashed
together in the form of a stereo quarter inch out) but then you get 8
more with ADAT and 2 with SPDIF. The UCX has a big brother UFX that has
even more outs. I use my UCX with the JACK Audio Connection Kit and then
use Pure Data (or SuperCollider, or Ardour, or Audacity, or,.. pretty
much anything) to talk to JACK. JACK is basically a middle man between
your soundcard and everything else and it works great.

Well, pretty much all you need is a class compliant audio interface so
be on the lookout for those. Unfortunately, audio interface companies
don't like to make drivers for Linux but with the interface being class
compliant, that doesn't matter.I think it was mentioned earlier that the
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 is an option. There's a handful of them out
there.. hope this helps!

Derek
 
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jaime Oliver]

The scarlett 18i20 will get you 10 analog and 8 adat outs. It works with linux, 
but you have to setup the hardware on OS X/windows.

best,

J


> On May 6, 2016, at 4:51 PM, michael noble  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Miller Puckette  > wrote:
> One caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will occasionally
> get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
> ways of working around this. 
> 
> Probably the simplest way under linux is to use Fons Adriaensen's excellent 
> zita-a2jbridge 
> (http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-ajbridge-doc/quickguide.html
>  
> )
>  to expose the additional cards as outputs under jack. This will remove the 
> need for PD to do any kind of resampling or syncing.
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[michael noble]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:

> One caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will
> occasionally
> get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
> ways of working around this.
>

Probably the simplest way under linux is to use Fons Adriaensen's excellent
zita-a2jbridge (
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-ajbridge-doc/quickguide.html)
to expose the additional cards as outputs under jack. This will remove the
need for PD to do any kind of resampling or syncing.
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Miller Puckette]

On caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will occasionally
get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
ways of working around this.  Maybe the best way in your particular
situation is to have two copies of Pd and use netsend/receive to sync them
at message level.  If you do this in short segments (< 10 minutes or so)
the time slippage shouldn't exceed what you get anyhow because of speaker
placement.

cheers
Miller

On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 05:07:06PM +0200, Peter Venus wrote:
> well,
> if it should be on the cheap side,
> and the need for usb because of a lacking pcmcia/expresscard is present,
> there there are
> logilink ua0099 available, which are offering 8ch output
> for 23euros
> i bought some here:
> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDUyODcyOTk-/Computer_Informationstechnik/USB_Technik/USB_Konverter/7_1_Kanal_USB_2_0_Soundbox_LogiLink_UA0099.html
> 
> 
> cheers,
> peter
> 
> On 2016-05-06 14:54, patrice colet wrote:
> >
> > If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
> >soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
> >amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
> >works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
> >works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
> >soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
> >
> >
> >e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
> >>or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs and
> >>eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one with
> >>express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)
> >>
> >>rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)
> >>
> >>>On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston 
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
> >>>2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
> >>>would be $320.
> >>>
> >>>If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
> >>>$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
> >>>few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
> >>>chip they use and read reviews.
> >>>
> >>>I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
> >>>tested this.
> >>>
> >>>Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
> >>>well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
> >>>spend $1000!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
>  Hello,
> 
>  With the following configuration :
>  Ubuntu 16.04
>  Pd-0.47.0
> 
>  I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>  What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>  Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>  willing to do this job ?
> 
>  Ciao.
>  ++
> 
>  Jack
> 
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jack]

I will change the position of the sounds in the theatre space (it will
depend on the position of the dancers on stage, and other things). I
guess the LP 16 Live Player is not the interface for this purpose ?
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 17:21, patrice colet a écrit :
> Maybe you don't want a soundcard but a good multitrack player for
> interpreting Pierre Henry pieces, something like this:
> 
> https://audiosex.pro/threads/cymatic-lr-lp-16.23833/
> 
> it's about 320€
> 
> 
> Le 06/05/2016 à 16:40, Jack a écrit :
>> Thanks a lot for your answers.
>>
>> If i understand, i have many solutions to achieve my goal :
>>
>> - buy 1 soundcard, for exemple :
>> - MOTU 24Ao AVB which is class complient : good news for linux users)
>> - Presonus VSL1818 with a ADAT 8-channel DAC (Roman, do you have a
>> link for this with jack connectors ?)
>>
>> - buy several 'small' soundcards (like 8 Griffin iMic, cheap solution
>> but lot of sound cards)
>>
>> - buy 2 soundcards with 8 outputs (in this case, i need 2 usb
>> controllers on my computer, right ?)
>>
>> - buy 2 C-media CM6206 soundcards (cheapest solution here, never seen
>> and tested but looks promising)
>>
>> By experience, in theatre, i prefer to have an easy setup, PC + 1 or 2
>> soundcards, on which i can plug jack connectors. The sound will be a
>> Pierre Henry music.
>>
>> If someone has other recommandations ?
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 06/05/2016 14:54, patrice colet a écrit :
>>>  If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
>>> soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
>>> amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
>>> works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
>>> works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
>>> soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
>>>
>>>
>>> e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
 or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs
 and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one
 with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

 rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

> On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston
> <williamahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
> 2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
> would be $320.
>
> If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
> $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
> few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
> chip they use and read reviews.
>
> I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
> tested this.
>
> Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
> well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
> spend $1000!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack <j...@rybn.org>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> With the following configuration :
>> Ubuntu 16.04
>> Pd-0.47.0
>>
>> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>> willing to do this job ?
>>
>> Ciao.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[patrice colet]

Maybe you don't want a soundcard but a good multitrack player for 
interpreting Pierre Henry pieces, something like this:


https://audiosex.pro/threads/cymatic-lr-lp-16.23833/

it's about 320€


Le 06/05/2016 à 16:40, Jack a écrit :

Thanks a lot for your answers.

If i understand, i have many solutions to achieve my goal :

- buy 1 soundcard, for exemple :
 - MOTU 24Ao AVB which is class complient : good news for linux users)
 - Presonus VSL1818 with a ADAT 8-channel DAC (Roman, do you have a
link for this with jack connectors ?)

- buy several 'small' soundcards (like 8 Griffin iMic, cheap solution
but lot of sound cards)

- buy 2 soundcards with 8 outputs (in this case, i need 2 usb
controllers on my computer, right ?)

- buy 2 C-media CM6206 soundcards (cheapest solution here, never seen
and tested but looks promising)

By experience, in theatre, i prefer to have an easy setup, PC + 1 or 2
soundcards, on which i can plug jack connectors. The sound will be a
Pierre Henry music.

If someone has other recommandations ?
++

Jack




Le 06/05/2016 14:54, patrice colet a écrit :

  If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.


e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :

or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)


On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston
<williamahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
would be $320.

If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
chip they use and read reviews.

I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
tested this.

Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
spend $1000!



On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack <j...@rybn.org>
wrote:

Hello,

With the following configuration :
Ubuntu 16.04
Pd-0.47.0

I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
willing to do this job ?

Ciao.
++

Jack


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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Peter Venus]

well,
if it should be on the cheap side,
and the need for usb because of a lacking pcmcia/expresscard is present,
there there are
logilink ua0099 available, which are offering 8ch output
for 23euros
i bought some here:
http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDUyODcyOTk-/Computer_Informationstechnik/USB_Technik/USB_Konverter/7_1_Kanal_USB_2_0_Soundbox_LogiLink_UA0099.html


cheers,
peter

On 2016-05-06 14:54, patrice colet wrote:


 If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206 
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if 
the amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset 
and it works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, 
it should works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to 
cluster the soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you 
need.



e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs 
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one 
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)


rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston  
wrote:


The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 
8x would be $320.


If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for 
$20/each, $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could 
purchase a few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read 
up on what chip they use and read reviews.


I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not 
tested this.


Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as 
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to 
spend $1000!




On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[patrice colet]

 If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206 
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the 
amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it 
works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should 
works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the 
soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.



e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs 
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one 
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)


rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston > wrote:


The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x 
would be $320.


If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each, 
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a 
few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what 
chip they use and read reviews.


I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not 
tested this.


Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as 
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to 
spend $1000!




On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack > 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Simon Iten]

or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs and eight 
adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one with express card 
(or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

> On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston  wrote:
> 
> The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 2-channel USB 
> soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x would be $320. 
> 
> If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each, 
> $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a few and 
> evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what chip they use and 
> read reviews. 
> 
> I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not tested 
> this. 
> 
> Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as well and 
> be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to spend $1000! 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack > wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > With the following configuration :
> > Ubuntu 16.04
> > Pd-0.47.0
> >
> > I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> > What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> > Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> > willing to do this job ?
> >
> > Ciao.
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[William Huston]

The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 2-channel
USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x would be $320.

If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a few and
evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what chip they use
and read reviews.

I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not tested
this.

Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as well
and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to spend $1000!



On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Roman Haefeli]

Though probably not such a good match as the MOTU mentioned below, I may
mention here that the Presonus VSL1818 is supported by Linux/ALSA. For
16 analog output channels, you'd have to hook up some ADAT 8-channel
DAC. Also, I don't know of any support of its internal mixer  (probably
it is not supported).

Roman

On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 10:09 +0200, Peter Venus wrote:
> hello

> i am rather happy with the motu 24Ao AVB.
> it offers 24 analog outputs plus 3 adat i/o.
> it is class compliant usb and its mixer can be accessed
> via browser.
> it offers 64in/64out@48kHz on the usb.
> 
> so generally, to find a suitable interface, i would look if it's class 
> compliant.
> 
> cheers
> peter
> 
> Am 05.05.16 um 16:12 schrieb Jack:
> > Hello,
> >
> > With the following configuration :
> > Ubuntu 16.04
> > Pd-0.47.0
> >
> > I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> > What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> > Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> > willing to do this job ?
> >
> > Ciao.
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
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[PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jack]

Hello,

With the following configuration :
Ubuntu 16.04
Pd-0.47.0

I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
willing to do this job ?

Ciao.
++

Jack


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