Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Jack]

Hello list,

Thanks Miller and all other people involved for this new release !
++

Jack



Le 28/05/2020 à 22:08, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce a écrit :
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[hans w. koch]

thanks for nudging my laziness…i´ll give it a spin :-)

hans

> Am 29.05.2020 um 11:31 schrieb Christof Ressi :
> 
>> so far i compiled nicolas danets “spaghettis” pd fork 
>> (https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis), but i guess its now time to try 
>> and compile pd myself.
>> unless some kind and more knowledgable soul provides a binary for mac, hint, 
>> hint :-)
> If you managed to compile "spaghettis" from source, than compiling Pd should 
> be no big deal. Did you give it a try? The INSTALL.txt contains the necessary 
> info.
> 
> Christof
> 
> On 29.05.2020 11:25, hans w. koch wrote:
>> thanks, christof,
>> 
>> that makes sense.
>> a more general question: is that the plan for a transisiton period or will 
>> it stay that way for the foreseeable future?
>> 
>> apart from the obvious profits for the playback of longer soundfiles and the 
>> ones specified in katjas research some time ago 
>> (http://www.katjaas.nl/doubleprecision/doubleprecision.html),
>> i use double for simple math tasks involving really big numbers.
>> 
>> so far i compiled nicolas danets “spaghettis” pd fork 
>> (https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis), but i guess its now time to try 
>> and compile pd myself.
>> unless some kind and more knowledgable soul provides a binary for mac, hint, 
>> hint :-)
>> (dan wilcox did one for pd50-2 some time ago)
>> 
>> best
>> hans
>> 
>>> Am 29.05.2020 um 10:48 schrieb Christof Ressi :
>>> 
>>> Hi Hans,
>>> 
>>> it means that Pd can be compiled -DPD_FLOATSIZE=64, so it will use 64-bit 
>>> doubles instead of 32-bit floats everywhere, and all built-in objects 
>>> should still work as expected.
>>> 
>>> This has advantages (better precision/stability for certain filters, large 
>>> precise table indicies, etc.) and possible disadvantages (needs more 
>>> memory, some code paths might be a bit slower).
>>> 
>>> Currently, we only ship the good old single precision builds, but people 
>>> can compile double precision builds from source for themselves to 
>>> experiment with.
>>> 
>>> Christof
>>> 
>>> On 29.05.2020 08:58, hans w. koch wrote:
 excited about that release, thanks to all involved!
 
> * maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?
 what does that exactly mean? is it in, but not enabled or is it a subset?
 ( certainly its not a marketing scam as these tv sets labeled “HD ready” 
 :-)
 
 thanks for clarification,
 
 hans
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Christof Ressi]

so far i compiled nicolas danets “spaghettis” pd fork 
(https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis), but i guess its now time to try and 
compile pd myself.
unless some kind and more knowledgable soul provides a binary for mac, hint, 
hint :-)
If you managed to compile "spaghettis" from source, than compiling Pd 
should be no big deal. Did you give it a try? The INSTALL.txt contains 
the necessary info.


Christof

On 29.05.2020 11:25, hans w. koch wrote:

thanks, christof,

that makes sense.
a more general question: is that the plan for a transisiton period or will it 
stay that way for the foreseeable future?

apart from the obvious profits for the playback of longer soundfiles and the 
ones specified in katjas research some time ago 
(http://www.katjaas.nl/doubleprecision/doubleprecision.html),
i use double for simple math tasks involving really big numbers.

so far i compiled nicolas danets “spaghettis” pd fork 
(https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis), but i guess its now time to try and 
compile pd myself.
unless some kind and more knowledgable soul provides a binary for mac, hint, 
hint :-)
(dan wilcox did one for pd50-2 some time ago)

best
hans


Am 29.05.2020 um 10:48 schrieb Christof Ressi :

Hi Hans,

it means that Pd can be compiled -DPD_FLOATSIZE=64, so it will use 64-bit 
doubles instead of 32-bit floats everywhere, and all built-in objects should 
still work as expected.

This has advantages (better precision/stability for certain filters, large 
precise table indicies, etc.) and possible disadvantages (needs more memory, 
some code paths might be a bit slower).

Currently, we only ship the good old single precision builds, but people can 
compile double precision builds from source for themselves to experiment with.

Christof

On 29.05.2020 08:58, hans w. koch wrote:

excited about that release, thanks to all involved!


* maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?

what does that exactly mean? is it in, but not enabled or is it a subset?
( certainly its not a marketing scam as these tv sets labeled “HD ready” :-)

thanks for clarification,

hans



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[hans w. koch]

thanks, christof,

that makes sense.
a more general question: is that the plan for a transisiton period or will it 
stay that way for the foreseeable future?

apart from the obvious profits for the playback of longer soundfiles and the 
ones specified in katjas research some time ago 
(http://www.katjaas.nl/doubleprecision/doubleprecision.html),
i use double for simple math tasks involving really big numbers. 

so far i compiled nicolas danets “spaghettis” pd fork 
(https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis), but i guess its now time to try and 
compile pd myself.
unless some kind and more knowledgable soul provides a binary for mac, hint, 
hint :-)
(dan wilcox did one for pd50-2 some time ago)

best
hans

> Am 29.05.2020 um 10:48 schrieb Christof Ressi :
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> it means that Pd can be compiled -DPD_FLOATSIZE=64, so it will use 64-bit 
> doubles instead of 32-bit floats everywhere, and all built-in objects should 
> still work as expected.
> 
> This has advantages (better precision/stability for certain filters, large 
> precise table indicies, etc.) and possible disadvantages (needs more memory, 
> some code paths might be a bit slower).
> 
> Currently, we only ship the good old single precision builds, but people can 
> compile double precision builds from source for themselves to experiment with.
> 
> Christof
> 
> On 29.05.2020 08:58, hans w. koch wrote:
>> excited about that release, thanks to all involved!
>> 
>>> * maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?
>> what does that exactly mean? is it in, but not enabled or is it a subset?
>> ( certainly its not a marketing scam as these tv sets labeled “HD ready” :-)
>> 
>> thanks for clarification,
>> 
>> hans
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Christof Ressi]

Hi Hans,

it means that Pd can be compiled -DPD_FLOATSIZE=64, so it will use 
64-bit doubles instead of 32-bit floats everywhere, and all built-in 
objects should still work as expected.


This has advantages (better precision/stability for certain filters, 
large precise table indicies, etc.) and possible disadvantages (needs 
more memory, some code paths might be a bit slower).


Currently, we only ship the good old single precision builds, but people 
can compile double precision builds from source for themselves to 
experiment with.


Christof

On 29.05.2020 08:58, hans w. koch wrote:

excited about that release, thanks to all involved!


* maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?

what does that exactly mean? is it in, but not enabled or is it a subset?
( certainly its not a marketing scam as these tv sets labeled “HD ready” :-)

thanks for clarification,

hans




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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[hans w. koch]

excited about that release, thanks to all involved!

> * maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?

what does that exactly mean? is it in, but not enabled or is it a subset?
( certainly its not a marketing scam as these tv sets labeled “HD ready” :-)

thanks for clarification,

hans


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em qui., 28 de mai. de 2020 às 21:47, Christof Ressi 
escreveu:

> other things missing in the release notes:
>
> * new mode argument for [openpanel]
>

Oh, about that, I also had a PR regarding this new functionality =>
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/830  it's a minor revision that
just changes the order of new modes, I know might be pure bikeshedding, but
it's something I thought made better sense and Christof doesn't oppose, and
if it is to change, it has to be now before the release is out :)

thanks

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em qui., 28 de mai. de 2020 às 21:47, Christof Ressi 
escreveu:

> @alex: what's the state of your documentation updates
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1036 ? they contain the
> pointer-help.pd update.
>

Oh yeah, was about to bug Miller for PRs he should consider ;)

That particular PR is closed and is now replaced for a cleaner one, see
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1037

I only have documentation updates in it for things that are already in Pd,
so it's just fixing documentation issues, adding missing information,
adding examples, and mentioning new functionalities. That would have to be
looked into even if this was just a "0.50-3" bug fix release ;)

thanks

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Christof Ressi]

Hi,

other things missing in the release notes:

* new mode argument for [openpanel]

* [equal( method for [pointer]

* maybe mention that Pd is now double precision ready?

@alex: what's the state of your documentation updates 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1036 ? they contain the 
pointer-help.pd update.


Christof

On 29.05.2020 01:58, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

Yay!!! Thanks!

Remarks:

- In the download section of your website you have "Compiled versions 
for older, 32-bit processors" after the section *NEW TEST VERSION 
0.51-0* which makes me think they're 0.51-0 , not 0.50-2. Moving the 
test version below would prevent this confusion.


- Release note issues:
     * I already pointed on github, but you still have "0.50-3" in 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L26
     * I also think it's worth noting that now atom boxes get 
highlighted when clicked on in the release notes.
     * While we're at it, I tried getting this release note change in 
the last release but it didn't make it 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/744 it's just a note that 
we added more info on *managing* externs, not "writing" them.




Now, I've been using the latest added commits from the repository 
since december and everything seems quite stable! But I just never use 
"net" related stuff and I guess most of the testing should go that way!


cheers


Em qui., 28 de mai. de 2020 às 17:50, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 
mailto:pd-annou...@lists.iem.at>> escreveu:


To Pd-announce:

Pd version 0.51-0test1 is available on
http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

The "older machine" compile targets aren't ready yet, just 64-bit
ones for
OSes less than 10 or 15 years old.



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Yay!!! Thanks!

Remarks:

- In the download section of your website you have "Compiled versions for
older, 32-bit processors" after the section *NEW TEST VERSION 0.51-0* which
makes me think they're 0.51-0 , not 0.50-2. Moving the test version below
would prevent this confusion.

- Release note issues:
 * I already pointed on github, but you still have "0.50-3" in
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L26
 * I also think it's worth noting that now atom boxes get highlighted
when clicked on in the release notes.
 * While we're at it, I tried getting this release note change in the
last release but it didn't make it
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/744 it's just a note that we
added more info on *managing* externs, not "writing" them.



Now, I've been using the latest added commits from the repository since
december and everything seems quite stable! But I just never use "net"
related stuff and I guess most of the testing should go that way!

cheers


Em qui., 28 de mai. de 2020 às 17:50, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce <
pd-annou...@lists.iem.at> escreveu:

> To Pd-announce:
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> OSes less than 10 or 15 years old.
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.51-0 test 1 released

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To Pd-announce:

Pd version 0.51-0test1 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
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