Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

no worries, can take it off list even if you want.

ATSApplicationFontsPath
font

didn't help though. there must be something else.

i'm in Japan and it's 2am, so that's it for me today, but happy to test
anything to get this working perfect tomorrow.

for the moment, at least all my existing patches load with correct object
box sizes.  the tiny font issue i can deal with, but happy to help test to
make sure that gets sorted too.

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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

Sorry for all the back and forth. After all the work on the PR, I'd like to 
make *sure* we don't have any further issues for the next release.

Thanks for testing.

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> It will work, you really just need to add
> 
> ATSApplicationFontsPath
> font
> 
> to the app's Info.plist.
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Matt Davey > > wrote:
>> 
>> ok, i had a go with copying the font folder, but still get that space to the 
>> right. 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

It will work, you really just need to add

ATSApplicationFontsPath
font

to the app's Info.plist.

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> ok, i had a go with copying the font folder, but still get that space to the 
> right. 


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

If the zeros have slashes, the sizing seems off since it's not using the right 
font. It should be fine with the next release.

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> ok, i had a go with copying the font folder, but still get that space to the 
> right. 
> 
> for the moment, that's more than fine for my needs, and i have to get back to 
> work, so thanks a lot for the help!  i assume the new update is going to fix 
> a lot of this anyway, and will be happy to help and report glitches if it 
> doesn't.
> 
> 
> thanks!


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

ok, i had a go with copying the font folder, but still get that space to
the right.

for the moment, that's more than fine for my needs, and i have to get back
to work, so thanks a lot for the help!  i assume the new update is going to
fix a lot of this anyway, and will be happy to help and report glitches if
it doesn't.


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

Actually, you might as well just copy the Info.plist form 0.48 into 0.47 as 
well as there is also an entry which specifies the font directory.

So yeah, you're getting into the nitty gritty of how the mac app bundle works. 
:) The template Info.plist is 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/mac/stuff/Info.plist 
 for 
reference. The main things you need are:


ATSApplicationFontsPath
font

and 


NSHighResolutionCapable


> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> You're missing the font. Copy the font folder in the Contents/Resources from 
> 0.48 to 0.47-1.
> 
> I can tell as Monaco zeros have slashes which Dejavu Sans Mono eros have a 
> dot. The sizing is based on DVSM which will eventually be used on all pd 
> platforms (just missing Windows now).
> 
> Also, you're not actually seeing retina rendering as Pd 0.47-1 doesn't have 
> the hit in the Info.plist that enables it. You can copy that line from the 
> 0.48 Info.plist into that of 0.47-1 if you want.
> 
> This is what I'm seeing:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Matt Davey > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Dan Wilcox > > wrote:
>> There are also a large number of screenshots from testing in the PR: 
>> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Matt Davey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok, i tested furtherseems like any object with more than 3 characters 
>>> in its name gets rendered with that space at the right. 
>>> 
>>> yeah, it very well could be the retina thing, as this is the first retina 
>>> laptop i have had.
>>> 
>>> will try that sizing test now
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika 
>> danomatika.com 
>> robotcowboy.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

[image: Inline image 1]

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:

> There are also a large number of screenshots from testing in the PR:
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227
>
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
>
> ok, i tested furtherseems like any object with more than 3 characters
> in its name gets rendered with that space at the right.
>
> yeah, it very well could be the retina thing, as this is the first retina
> laptop i have had.
>
> will try that sizing test now
>
>
> 
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>
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

There are also a large number of screenshots from testing in the PR: 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227 


> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> ok, i tested furtherseems like any object with more than 3 characters in 
> its name gets rendered with that space at the right. 
> 
> yeah, it very well could be the retina thing, as this is the first retina 
> laptop i have had.
> 
> will try that sizing test now


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

ok, i tested furtherseems like any object with more than 3 characters
in its name gets rendered with that space at the right.

yeah, it very well could be the retina thing, as this is the first retina
laptop i have had.

will try that sizing test now
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

It might also be how the fonts are rendered on retina screens. You might just 
be used to how it was before. Can you send a screen shot of the sizing test 
showing what you mean?

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> from what i am seeing so far, those 0.48 and modified 0.47 builds look 
> exactly the same as far as font and object size goes. They both seem ok. 
> 
> i dunno why it seems there is an extra space to the right of objectsi 
> have been using pd exclusively on desktop for the past few years, so maybe 
> that's a part of it.  But maybe it's a different font or something, and 
> that's why there is space to the right sometimes?  
> if i just make a basic [*~ 1] or something like that, i don't seem to get any 
> space, but larger objects like [pack f f f s f f f] or something like that, 
> always come with one character of space to the right, it seems


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

from what i am seeing so far, those 0.48 and modified 0.47 builds look
exactly the same as far as font and object size goes. They both seem ok.

i dunno why it seems there is an extra space to the right of objectsi
have been using pd exclusively on desktop for the past few years, so maybe
that's a part of it.  But maybe it's a different font or something, and
that's why there is space to the right sometimes?
if i just make a basic [*~ 1] or something like that, i don't seem to get
any space, but larger objects like [pack f f f s f f f] or something like
that, always come with one character of space to the right, it seems
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

I seem to remember you just got Pd 0.47-1 working on 10.13. Perhaps you can 
check that and the sizing build you downloaded ... :)

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> >There is a sizing test patch I added in docs/7.stuff/tools we can now use to 
> >compare object and UI sizes. You can do a before and after between different 
> >versions of Pd and compare.
> 
> well, yeah, except that it seems now impossible to load old versions of PD on 
> newest OSX 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Dan Wilcox  > wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Matt Davey > > wrote:
>> 
>> one thing i'm noticing with all these new builds...there seems to be one 
>> character of blank space to the right of every object and message box. 
> 
> 
> Not sure what you mean. If you're talking about the font sizing being 
> slightly different into how it fits within the boxes, then I suppose so. The 
> update basically ports the Pd-extended sizing to vanilla.
> 
> There is a sizing test patch I added in docs/7.stuff/tools we can now use to 
> compare object and UI sizes. You can do a before and after between different 
> versions of Pd and compare.
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
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> danomatika.com 
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> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

...without a workaround, i mean
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

>There is a sizing test patch I added in docs/7.stuff/tools we can now use
to compare object and UI sizes. You can do a before and after between
different versions of Pd and compare.

well, yeah, except that it seems now impossible to load old versions of PD
on newest OSX

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:

>
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
>
> one thing i'm noticing with all these new builds...there seems to be one
> character of blank space to the right of every object and message box.
>
>
> Not sure what you mean. If you're talking about the font sizing being
> slightly different into how it fits within the boxes, then I suppose so.
> The update basically ports the Pd-extended sizing to vanilla.
>
> There is a sizing test patch I added in docs/7.stuff/tools we can now use
> to compare object and UI sizes. You can do a before and after between
> different versions of Pd and compare.
>
> 
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>
>
>
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> one thing i'm noticing with all these new builds...there seems to be one 
> character of blank space to the right of every object and message box. 


Not sure what you mean. If you're talking about the font sizing being slightly 
different into how it fits within the boxes, then I suppose so. The update 
basically ports the Pd-extended sizing to vanilla.

There is a sizing test patch I added in docs/7.stuff/tools we can now use to 
compare object and UI sizes. You can do a before and after between different 
versions of Pd and compare.


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

one thing i'm noticing with all these new builds...there seems to be one
character of blank space to the right of every object and message box.

is that intentional?  pretty sure it didn't used to be that way.

fonts on that .zip build you sent are working well, though...much closer to
what i expected, and no overlapping object boxes like before.
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Dan Wilcox]

If you can, please test the sizing fixes. Here is a build I've been using the 
last month: Pd-0.48.0-sizingfixes.app.zip 


> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Matt Davey  wrote:
> 
> awesome!  thanks a lot Dan.  
> 
> i got my TCL version by copying this into terminal:
> 
> echo 'puts [info patchlevel];exit 0' | tclsh
> 
> Even with the latest version of osx 10.13, downloaded last night, it still 
> comes up as using 8.5.9, so the framework folder probably does need to be 
> copied over.  
> Your bullet point instructions were for copying the stuff from 0.47 to 0.48, 
> but seems it should be opposite to that, as per your original instructions.
> So, here are the steps i followed, and it seems to work well as 0.47-1 always 
> did for me before.  
> 
> * close both apps (if open)
> * right click on both apps and choose "Show Package Contents"
> * copy the Contents/MacOS/Pd launcher from Pd-0.48-0.app into the Contents 
> folder in Pd-0.47-1.app.
> * copy the Contents/Frameworks folder from Pd-0.48-0.app into the Contents 
> folder in Pd-0.47-1.app.
> * open Pd-0.47-1.app
> 
> anyway, seems this is just a temporary measure until 0.48-1 gets a proper 
> release.
> 
> thanks guys.  now i can get back to work ;)
> 


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

awesome!  thanks a lot Dan.

i got my TCL version by copying this into terminal:

echo 'puts [info patchlevel];exit 0' | tclsh

Even with the latest version of osx 10.13, downloaded last night, it still
comes up as using 8.5.9, so the framework folder probably does need to be
copied over.
Your bullet point instructions were for copying the stuff from 0.47 to
0.48, but seems it should be opposite to that, as per your original
instructions.
So, here are the steps i followed, and it seems to work well as 0.47-1
always did for me before.

* close both apps (if open)
* right click on both apps and choose "Show Package Contents"
* copy the Contents/MacOS/Pd launcher from Pd-0.48-0.app into the Contents
folder in Pd-0.47-1.app.
* copy the Contents/Frameworks folder from Pd-0.48-0.app into the Contents
folder in Pd-0.47-1.app.
* open Pd-0.47-1.app

anyway, seems this is just a temporary measure until 0.48-1 gets a proper
release.

thanks guys.  now i can get back to work ;)
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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> hi, just tried installing both the 32 and 64 bit vanilla builds on newly
> updated macbook with OSX 10.13.1, and get error pasted below.
> 
> so, i checked, and it seems this version of OSX only comes with tcl 8.5,
> not 8.4.

The main difference is that the 0.47-1 version of Pd uses an older version of 
Wish on macOS which expects Tk 8.4.

> is there a simple way to get this working here?

Possibly.

Main thing is that you will need to copy the app launcher from the 0.48-0 app 
into the 0.47-1 app:

* close the app (if open)
* right click on the app and choose "Show Package Contents"
* copy the Contents/MacOS/Pd launcher from Pd-0.47-1.app into the MacOS folder 
in Pd-0.48.0.app
* open Pd-0.48-0.app

Once that is done, start Pd and set the log level to verbose. If the Tk version 
is 8.5.9, you don't want to use it as it's pretty buggy. Hopefully 10.13 comes 
with at least 8.5.13 by now...

If it is indeed 8.5.9, you copy the newer pre-built Tcl and TK frameworks in 
the 0.48-0 app into the 0.47-1 app:

* close both apps (if open)
* right click on both apps and choose "Show Package Contents"
* copy the Contents/Frameworks folder from Pd-0.47-1.app into the Contents 
folder in Pd-0.48.0.app
* open Pd-0.48-0.app

The Tk search path order has Pd look inside the bundle first for the 
frameworks, so this should work.

> For the record, the newest version of pd, 0.48-0 seems to work
> fine...except for that annoying font size issue, which currently renders it
> unusable for me.

Miller just merged my OR which fixes the sizing issue, so 0.48-1 should work 
fine for you when it comes out.


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Re: [PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Miller Puckette]

Yes... 0.47 simply doesn't work on Macs that don't have tcl8.4 installed.
There's no choice but to go to 0.48.

I'm just about to release 0.48-1 test 1 - I hope that helps with the font size
problems.

cheers
Miller

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 12:30:33PM +0900, Matt Davey wrote:
> hi, just tried installing both the 32 and 64 bit vanilla builds on newly
> updated macbook with OSX 10.13.1, and get error pasted below.
> 
> so, i checked, and it seems this version of OSX only comes with tcl 8.5,
> not 8.4.
> 
> is there a simple way to get this working here?
> 
> For the record, the newest version of pd, 0.48-0 seems to work
> fine...except for that annoying font size issue, which currently renders it
> unusable for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Crashed Thread:0*
> 
> 
> *Exception Type:EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)*
> 
> *Exception Codes:   0x, 0x*
> 
> *Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY*
> 
> 
> *Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x1] Library missing*
> 
> 
> *Application Specific Information:*
> 
> *dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries*
> 
> 
> *Dyld Error Message:*
> 
> *  Library not loaded:
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.4/Tcl*
> 
> *  Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.47-1-64bit.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd*
> 
> *  Reason: image not found*

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[PD] 0.47.1 tcl issue

[Matt Davey]

hi, just tried installing both the 32 and 64 bit vanilla builds on newly
updated macbook with OSX 10.13.1, and get error pasted below.

so, i checked, and it seems this version of OSX only comes with tcl 8.5,
not 8.4.

is there a simple way to get this working here?

For the record, the newest version of pd, 0.48-0 seems to work
fine...except for that annoying font size issue, which currently renders it
unusable for me.




*Crashed Thread:0*


*Exception Type:EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)*

*Exception Codes:   0x, 0x*

*Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY*


*Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x1] Library missing*


*Application Specific Information:*

*dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries*


*Dyld Error Message:*

*  Library not loaded:
/System/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.4/Tcl*

*  Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.47-1-64bit.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd*

*  Reason: image not found*
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