Re: [PD] HELP UNSUBSCRIBE!!! UNSCUBSCRIBE ALREADY!!! Re: Pd-list Digest, Vol 135, Issue 35

2016-06-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick 
Aw cmon Thor
I'm sure you can use your magical hammer to free yourself from the big bad 
listserv
HA!

Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A
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On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Thor Thorrific 
> wrote:

HELP
UNSUBSCRIBE
I HAVE TRIED TO UNSUBSCRIBE ALREADY
UNSUBSCRIBE ME  NOW


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: deken install user experience (Dan Wilcox)
  2. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
  3. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
  4. Re: deken install user experience (patrice colet)


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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:36:01 -0600
From: Dan Wilcox >
To: Max >
Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
Message-ID: 
<2bc5638a-617b-4b51-8c87-82867bbdb...@gmail.com>
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Before the discussion on deken installing libraries for you goes super far,
we talked about this curing Chris’ initial deken development and, regarding,
auto-magically downloading dependencies:

1. Pd developer time is currently limited (Chris & IOhannes were basically
spitballing at that point), so the focus instead was put more on getting the
basics working, especially in binary lib upload, search, & install.

2. Auto-magic dependency was put into the “nice to have, but possibly a lot
of work to get right” pile as opposed to “must have" pile. If it turns out
to be trivial, then by all means someone can propose some code and we can
try it out (deken has it’s own GitHub repo after all).

3. There is no easy way around the pd-extended kitchen sink -> pd vanilla
barebones + libs transition, [declare] is the preferred way forward in that
regard. At least I thought that was agreed upon...

IMO the much bigger issue right now is that we don’t have full coverage of
built external deken packages for all the main extended libraries for all
platforms yet. If we (I am!) are worried about priority with limited
resources, I feel this is much more important right now. We need a big push
of people essentially updating these main libs to the pd-lib-builder
makefile and then coordinating people on various platforms to build said
libs and upload deken packages. The makefile can do that as a makefile
target, so it’s relatively easy. After all, how can deken suggest a lib to
install when there aren’t that many libs in deken to being with?

One of the great things about deken is that it helps decentralize the
kitchen sink. Now, we need everyone to grab a utensil and start scrubbing :)


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
danomatika.com 
robotcowboy.com 
On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:00 AM, 
pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

From: Max  
>
Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:00:27 AM MDT
To: Roman Haefeli  
>,
pd-list@lists.iem.at 


On 2016년 06월 09일 17:33, Roman Haefeli wrote:
In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares
what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in
the documentation with the required externals (with no further
explanation how to do that and where to install). After installing the
externals from the list, my pd project runs on their box and is able to
successfully load the libraries. We're not there yet, see above.

Or even better:
the receipient opens the file, Pd realizes that it depends on not
installed libraries, prompts "should Pd install the missing libraries x,
y and z?" then she/he clicks yes or abort.

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2016-06-10 Thread Thor Thorrific 
HELP
UNSUBSCRIBE
I HAVE TRIED TO UNSUBSCRIBE ALREADY
UNSUBSCRIBE ME  NOW


On 6/9/16, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at  wrote:
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Re: deken install user experience (Dan Wilcox)
>2. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
>3. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
>4. Re: deken install user experience (patrice colet)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:36:01 -0600
> From: Dan Wilcox 
> To: Max 
> Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
> Message-ID: <2bc5638a-617b-4b51-8c87-82867bbdb...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Before the discussion on deken installing libraries for you goes super far,
> we talked about this curing Chris’ initial deken development and, regarding,
> auto-magically downloading dependencies:
>
> 1. Pd developer time is currently limited (Chris & IOhannes were basically
> spitballing at that point), so the focus instead was put more on getting the
> basics working, especially in binary lib upload, search, & install.
>
> 2. Auto-magic dependency was put into the “nice to have, but possibly a lot
> of work to get right” pile as opposed to “must have" pile. If it turns out
> to be trivial, then by all means someone can propose some code and we can
> try it out (deken has it’s own GitHub repo after all).
>
> 3. There is no easy way around the pd-extended kitchen sink -> pd vanilla
> barebones + libs transition, [declare] is the preferred way forward in that
> regard. At least I thought that was agreed upon...
>
> IMO the much bigger issue right now is that we don’t have full coverage of
> built external deken packages for all the main extended libraries for all
> platforms yet. If we (I am!) are worried about priority with limited
> resources, I feel this is much more important right now. We need a big push
> of people essentially updating these main libs to the pd-lib-builder
> makefile and then coordinating people on various platforms to build said
> libs and upload deken packages. The makefile can do that as a makefile
> target, so it’s relatively easy. After all, how can deken suggest a lib to
> install when there aren’t that many libs in deken to being with?
>
> One of the great things about deken is that it helps decentralize the
> kitchen sink. Now, we need everyone to grab a utensil and start scrubbing :)
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com 
> robotcowboy.com 
>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>>
>> From: Max >
>> Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
>> Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:00:27 AM MDT
>> To: Roman Haefeli >,
>> pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>>
>>
>> On 2016년 06월 09일 17:33, Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>> In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares
>>> what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in
>>> the documentation with the required externals (with no further
>>> explanation how to do that and where to install). After installing the
>>> externals from the list, my pd project runs on their box and is able to
>>> successfully load the libraries. We're not there yet, see above.
>>
>> Or even better:
>> the receipient opens the file, Pd realizes that it depends on not
>> installed libraries, prompts "should Pd install the missing libraries x,
>> y and z?" then she/he clicks yes or abort.
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> From: Lucas Cordiviola 
> To: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
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>> Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying> incompatible
>> (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What would be> harmed if
>> they'd be hidden completely? I