Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

well, that is still not a convincing reason why to me, sorry :) what I'm
trying to say is that there is no reason not to use the latest for the most
part when it comes to Pd

cheers

2018-01-28 13:22 GMT-02:00 Jean-Marie Adrien :

> because i am always late one version since 15 years but strictly parallel
> :)
>
> Le 28 janv. 2018 à 16:09, Alexandre Torres Porres  a
> écrit :
>
>
>
> 2018-01-28 12:26 GMT-02:00 Jean-Marie Adrien :
>
>>  in parallel with PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
>>
>
> why not Pd 0.48-1? :)
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Jean-Marie Adrien]

because i am always late one version since 15 years but strictly parallel
:)

> Le 28 janv. 2018 à 16:09, Alexandre Torres Porres  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> 2018-01-28 12:26 GMT-02:00 Jean-Marie Adrien  >:
>  in parallel with PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
> 
> why not Pd 0.48-1? :)

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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2018-01-28 12:45 GMT-02:00 IOhannes m zmölnig :
>
>
> there were rumours about offering a bounty to get these fixed.
>

there were more than rumors, I already sent a bit of money for bounty
actually. This has been going on for a while but it hasn't had much
progress. There were talks about advertising about it on this list and on
the facebook group, but something is holding it back.

It seems that these couple of issues in GEM on macOS is what's worrying
most people that still use Pd Extended...

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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2018-01-28 12:26 GMT-02:00 Jean-Marie Adrien :

>  in parallel with PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
>

why not Pd 0.48-1? :)
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Martin Peach]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Jean-Marie Adrien 
wrote:

> cryptic for me too :)
> another (stupid) question :
> is GEM available in 64bits ?
> still using *old school GEM on pd extended* on my side, in parallel with
> PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
> jm
>
> I don't know what OS you're on, but if you install packages on 64-bt linux
they will be 64-bit. If you build them from source on a 64-bit machine they
will be 64-bit by default.
Although it is rather difficult to build pd-extended because of all its
dependencies, it should be possible to make a 64-bit version. There is no
explicit use of the -m32 flags in any of its makefiles.

Martin
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 01/28/2018 03:26 PM, Jean-Marie Adrien wrote:
> cryptic for me too :)
> another (stupid) question : 
> is GEM available in 64bits ?

Gem has been available (and functional) on 64bit systems for about 15
years now.

however, on OSX, Gem uses QuickTime to get images (to read films or your
video camera), and Apple decided that QuickTime is *not* available for
64bit.
Dan has done a great job to reimplement film reading (using
AVFoundation), which mainly leaves video input and image reading to be
implemented to make Gem fully usable on macOS 64bit.

see also:

https://github.com/umlaeute/Gem/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22help+wanted%22


there were rumours about offering a bounty to get these fixed.

hopefully, this was cryptic enough.

gamdsr
IOhannes


> still using old school GEM on pd extended on my side, in parallel with 
> PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
> jm
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 27 janv. 2018 à 17:07, Raphaël Ilias  a écrit :
>>
>> Ok, thanks for the clarification, IOhannes's message was a bit cryptic for 
>> me !
>>
>> All best dear pd community
>>
>> Raphaël Ilias
>>
>>
>> Le 27 janv. 2018 5:03 PM, "Roman Haefeli" > > a écrit :
>> On Sam, 2018-01-27 at 14:06 +0100, Raphaël Ilias wrote:
>>> Does it mean that Puredata will soon have to upgrade all it's floats
>>> and ~'s objects to double precision (64bit floating point) like
>>> Katia's pd-double ?
>>> I would love that ! :)
>>> Long tables made easy !
>>
>>
>> Let me quote IOhannes' email from yesterday
>>
>>
>> IOhannes wrote:
>> "64bit in this case means "sizeof(void*)==8" - that is: 64bit pointers.
>>
>> this is orthogonal to "double precision" Pd, which uses (64bit) double
>> as t_float."
>>
>> So, no, that doesn't automatically mean double-precision Pd.
>>
>> Roman
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Jean-Marie Adrien]

cryptic for me too :)
another (stupid) question : 
is GEM available in 64bits ? 
still using old school GEM on pd extended on my side, in parallel with 
PD-47-64bit pd for sound…
jm




> Le 27 janv. 2018 à 17:07, Raphaël Ilias  a écrit :
> 
> Ok, thanks for the clarification, IOhannes's message was a bit cryptic for me 
> !
> 
> All best dear pd community
> 
> Raphaël Ilias
>
> 
> Le 27 janv. 2018 5:03 PM, "Roman Haefeli"  > a écrit :
> On Sam, 2018-01-27 at 14:06 +0100, Raphaël Ilias wrote:
> > Does it mean that Puredata will soon have to upgrade all it's floats
> > and ~'s objects to double precision (64bit floating point) like
> > Katia's pd-double ?
> > I would love that ! :)
> > Long tables made easy !
> 
> 
> Let me quote IOhannes' email from yesterday
> 
> 
> IOhannes wrote:
> "64bit in this case means "sizeof(void*)==8" - that is: 64bit pointers.
> 
> this is orthogonal to "double precision" Pd, which uses (64bit) double
> as t_float."
> 
> So, no, that doesn't automatically mean double-precision Pd.
> 
> Roman
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Raphaël Ilias]

Ok, thanks for the clarification, IOhannes's message was a bit cryptic for
me !

All best dear pd community

Raphaël Ilias


Le 27 janv. 2018 5:03 PM, "Roman Haefeli"  a écrit :

On Sam, 2018-01-27 at 14:06 +0100, Raphaël Ilias wrote:
> Does it mean that Puredata will soon have to upgrade all it's floats
> and ~'s objects to double precision (64bit floating point) like
> Katia's pd-double ?
> I would love that ! :)
> Long tables made easy !


Let me quote IOhannes' email from yesterday


IOhannes wrote:
"64bit in this case means "sizeof(void*)==8" - that is: 64bit pointers.

this is orthogonal to "double precision" Pd, which uses (64bit) double
as t_float."

So, no, that doesn't automatically mean double-precision Pd.

Roman
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Roman Haefeli]

On Sam, 2018-01-27 at 14:06 +0100, Raphaël Ilias wrote:
> Does it mean that Puredata will soon have to upgrade all it's floats
> and ~'s objects to double precision (64bit floating point) like
> Katia's pd-double ?
> I would love that ! :)
> Long tables made easy !


Let me quote IOhannes' email from yesterday


IOhannes wrote:
"64bit in this case means "sizeof(void*)==8" - that is: 64bit pointers.

this is orthogonal to "double precision" Pd, which uses (64bit) double
as t_float."

So, no, that doesn't automatically mean double-precision Pd.

Roman

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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Raphaël Ilias]

Does it mean that Puredata will soon have to upgrade all it's floats and
~'s objects to double precision (64bit floating point) like Katia's
pd-double ?
I would love that ! :)
Long tables made easy !

++

Raphaël


2018-01-26 20:02 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> yeah, these two links seem to have conflicting or confusing information.
> The first one you sent says warnings start now in the next update of high
> sierra, but only shown "once", ten it says "The next version of macOS after
> High Sierra will include "aggressive" warnings about 32-bit apps before
> they are phased out entirely." I suppose that means it'll always bug you
> about it and not just once when 10.14 comes out later this year... then
> 10.15 will stop it.
>
> But this other link says now 10.14 will only be 64 bits, hence the next
> update this year will prevent Pd extended from working.
>
> Let's see
>
> 2018-01-26 16:56 GMT-02:00 Dan Wilcox :
>
>> High Sierra was the last macOS release to support 32-bit apps. Apple
>> announced back in the summer of 2017 that applications in 10.14 would be
>> 64-bit only.
>>
>>
>> from https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac-software/macos-1014
>> -2018-release-date-features-specs-3669087/
>>
>> The last link I sent says the 10.13.4 update brings the warnings. So
>> earnings from now until 10.14 comes i  bthe fall of this year.
>>
>> enohp ym morf tnes
>> ---
>> Dan Wilcox
>> danomatika.com
>> robotcowboy.com
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I understood that 10.14 (which should come out this year) will have
>> "aggressive" warnings, and next year 10.15 will end support for good
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

yeah, these two links seem to have conflicting or confusing information.
The first one you sent says warnings start now in the next update of high
sierra, but only shown "once", ten it says "The next version of macOS after
High Sierra will include "aggressive" warnings about 32-bit apps before
they are phased out entirely." I suppose that means it'll always bug you
about it and not just once when 10.14 comes out later this year... then
10.15 will stop it.

But this other link says now 10.14 will only be 64 bits, hence the next
update this year will prevent Pd extended from working.

Let's see

2018-01-26 16:56 GMT-02:00 Dan Wilcox :

> High Sierra was the last macOS release to support 32-bit apps. Apple
> announced back in the summer of 2017 that applications in 10.14 would be
> 64-bit only.
>
>
> from https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac-software/macos-
> 1014-2018-release-date-features-specs-3669087/
>
> The last link I sent says the 10.13.4 update brings the warnings. So
> earnings from now until 10.14 comes i  bthe fall of this year.
>
> enohp ym morf tnes
> ---
> Dan Wilcox
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> I understood that 10.14 (which should come out this year) will have
> "aggressive" warnings, and next year 10.15 will end support for good
>
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Dan Wilcox]

> High Sierra was the last macOS release to support 32-bit apps. Apple 
> announced back in the summer of 2017 that applications in 10.14 would be 
> 64-bit only.


from 
https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac-software/macos-1014-2018-release-date-features-specs-3669087/

The last link I sent says the 10.13.4 update brings the warnings. So earnings 
from now until 10.14 comes i  bthe fall of this year.

enohp ym morf tnes
---
Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com


> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:
> 
> I understood that 10.14 (which should come out this year) will have 
> "aggressive" warnings, and next year 10.15 will end support for good
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2018-01-26 11:29 GMT-02:00 Dan Wilcox :

> This will also likely mean that Pd-extended will no longer run on macOS
> 10.14 next year.
>

I understood that 10.14 (which should come out this year) will have
"aggressive" warnings, and next year 10.15 will end support for good, so
it's really the last year for extended on the latest macOS
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Re: [PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Martin Peach]

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:

> To coincide with the work people are doing on 64 bit Windows builds of Pd,
> it looks as though Apple is stepping up it's move toward 64 bit only in the
> next version of macOS: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/24/macos-high-
> sierra-32-bit-app-warning/
>
> We've had 64 bit macOS Pd builds for a long time now, but now we need 64
> bit external builds on deken to go with it. This will also likely mean that
> Pd-extended will no longer run on macOS 10.14 next year.
>
> Is the only difference from 32-bit Pds that the structs are 64-bit aligned
(i.e.doubled in size), or are the t_float and so on also now 64-bit?

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[PD] macOS 64 bit only soon

[Dan Wilcox]

To coincide with the work people are doing on 64 bit Windows builds of Pd, it 
looks as though Apple is stepping up it's move toward 64 bit only in the next 
version of macOS: 
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/24/macos-high-sierra-32-bit-app-warning/ 


We've had 64 bit macOS Pd builds for a long time now, but now we need 64 bit 
external builds on deken to go with it. This will also likely mean that 
Pd-extended will no longer run on macOS 10.14 next year.


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
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