Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes video - Scope Crazy

[Kylee Kennedy]

Excellent video. Great to see your patch and visuals.
I know we are in a few of the same email lists and always enjoy learning
from your experiments.

Kylee

On Saturday, December 7, 2019, henry birdseye 
wrote:

> I made a video of my journey into the rabbit hole of vector synthesis. The
> code isn't perfect, but it works. Thank you for your insights.
>
> https://youtu.be/SgcNDUD8GhI
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I know you didn't, I was contextualizing on the request by Henry of
something with "*all* you need", so maybe giving an answer with Purr Data
could give the idea it had it "all" ;)

Em qua., 4 de dez. de 2019 às 05:56, Christof Ressi 
escreveu:

> I never said PurrData has *all* libraries (which would be impossible)
>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. Dezember 2019 um 03:35 Uhr
> > Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> > An: "Christof Ressi" 
> > Cc: Pd-List 
> > Betreff: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again
> >
> > Em ter., 3 de dez. de 2019 às 16:04, Christof Ressi <
> christof.re...@gmx.at>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > > I'm surprised no one has assembled a package of all the things you'd
> need
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > different people need different things.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I don't think there's such a thing, as this would vary. Not sure if
> > this comes from the idea that we should pack libraries that were in Pd
> > Extended in a single download, which I'd also have thoughts against.
> >
> >
> > > if you're looking for a modern Pd with "batteries included", you can
> try
> > > PurrData. but once you've figured out which libraries you need, it's
> easy
> > > to just use Pd vanilla + Deken.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, this is where I'd say, but I do propose Purr Data with the remarks
> > that it doesn't have "ALL YOU NEED" . And saying that then you can just
> use
> > deken later also gives a wrong idea, because there are many new libraries
> > are only in deken and not in Purr Data, plus some of the verisions in
> deken
> > are more up to date. So I'd say Purr Data's got some (ok, actually a lot)
> > of batteries included, but not "all" (as in "all you need").
> >
> > Sorry for nit picking
> >
> > cheers
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Dan Wilcox]

This should read: "Pd Documents directory." If you didn't create it when first 
starting Pd, go to Pd->Preferences->Path to (re)set it. You can also disable it 
completely if you choose to handle everything manually. It's only a helper.

> On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:32 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Wither newer versions of Pd, you can create a "Pd Documents doctors" 


Dan Wilcox
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Dan Wilcox]

To start:

Welcome back to using Pure Data. We as a community can help you make a 
transition if you are willing to work with our (still) ongoing transition from 
Pd-extended.

> On Dec 4, 2019, at 9:54 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> I was getting ahead of myself. Plus, my expectations were w-a-y too 
> high.

They are not.

> I expected to be able to install the whole thing, a current and 
> desirable version of pure data with everything I'd need.

In general, you can, using deken, as most major libraries that used to be 
distributed with extended have new maintainers who continue development.

As the last version of Pd-extended has libraries built for 32 and 64 bit on 
macOS and those (now old) versions were uploaded to deken, you can at the very 
least get those older versions.

Admittedly, we probably need a more accessible overview of how to use it as 
well as a transition guide from Pd-extended and I think *this* is the crux of 
your issues. One of these is probably related to the difficultly of figuring 
out *which objects* belong to *which libraries* in patches made in extended. I 
feel your pain there as I had to go through this while migrating my own 
projects.

> Now that I know that is not, and will never be the case, I'll be pleased 
> to sift thru those links from 2011 to find the good stuff.

I would say this is not true and you seem to conflate your frustration with a 
*delibrate* attempt to make your life harder.

Some backstory:

Pd-extended was a successful community-driven "batteries included" version of 
Pure Data "vanilla" which was bundled with a large number of 
community-contributed libraries. That was a great thing. On the other hand, 
Pd-extended was heavily dependent upon the work of 1-2 people who's free time 
went into trying to maintain and manually merge changes from vanilla Pd. That 
was a bad thing and when those people had larger life issues to deal with, they 
could no longer maintain development. This was around 2011-2012.

We as a community then asked: Who can take up work on Pd-extended? No one 
answered. There was a great amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one 
answered.

In the meantime, some community members developed a simple proof-of-concept 
package manager for external libraries, either pre-compiled or 
abstraction-only. The idea behind this was to modularize external development 
and take away the need for a large, central development version like 
Pd-extended and it's maintenance overhead. This also allowed the community to 
focus on bringing improvements to Pd "vanilla" directly. This package manager 
was informally named "deken" aka Help->Find externals.

Since then, we as a community have been figuring out how to handle this whole 
transition, from increasing community-contributed development to the Pd 
"vanilla" source code, to collaborative external library development and 
distribution.

The basic idea revolves around: Pd itself comes with the core objects and "core 
externals" ie. [bonk~], [sigmund~], [bob~], etc. Anything else should be 
installed either via deken or manually to a folder. You then need to either add 
that folder to your general Pd path or, better yet, tell Pd about the path or 
name of the library using the [declare] object. After that, Pd will try to find 
and load it.

Wither newer versions of Pd, you can create a "Pd Documents doctors" in your 
home documents folder which also creates a default "externals" subdirectory 
which is where deken will install external libraries by default and this 
directory is already added to your search path. This allows a simple process 
for most libraries: find externals, click to download, open patch, create 
[declare -path some lib], create object from somelib. There are currently 
caveats for some libs (Gem for instance), but that;'s the basic idea.

One pain point is that Pd-extended did all of this automatically, however this 
made it hard to tell where objects came from and also lead to name clashes 
where the object from one library shadows that of another. With this new 
approach, you need to be more explicit as to which libraries you want to use, 
much akin to a Python import command or include in other languages. The 
downside, naturally, is that you need to be congnizant of which libraries you 
were using previously. 

When I was porting my old projects from Pd-extended, I basically opened the 
patch and made a list of objects that could not be created. Next, I did a 
search in the  extra folder to find the helpfuls for these objects. Since the 
helpful would within the library subfolder, I could find the name of the 
library. After that, you should be able to install the library via deken, then 
add a [declare] to your main or abstraction patches which need to load the 
library. Some libraries need only to declare the path while others also need a 
"-lib" flag if they are pre-compiled in specific way. This is definitely 
confusing right now and we are working 

Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Christof Ressi]

I never said PurrData has *all* libraries (which would be impossible)

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. Dezember 2019 um 03:35 Uhr
> Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> An: "Christof Ressi" 
> Cc: Pd-List 
> Betreff: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again
>
> Em ter., 3 de dez. de 2019 às 16:04, Christof Ressi 
> escreveu:
> 
> > > I'm surprised no one has assembled a package of all the things you'd need
> >
> >
> 
> > different people need different things.
> >
> 
> Yeah, I don't think there's such a thing, as this would vary. Not sure if
> this comes from the idea that we should pack libraries that were in Pd
> Extended in a single download, which I'd also have thoughts against.
> 
> 
> > if you're looking for a modern Pd with "batteries included", you can try
> > PurrData. but once you've figured out which libraries you need, it's easy
> > to just use Pd vanilla + Deken.
> >
> 
> Yeah, this is where I'd say, but I do propose Purr Data with the remarks
> that it doesn't have "ALL YOU NEED" . And saying that then you can just use
> deken later also gives a wrong idea, because there are many new libraries
> are only in deken and not in Purr Data, plus some of the verisions in deken
> are more up to date. So I'd say Purr Data's got some (ok, actually a lot)
> of batteries included, but not "all" (as in "all you need").
> 
> Sorry for nit picking
> 
> cheers
>



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em ter., 3 de dez. de 2019 às 16:04, Christof Ressi 
escreveu:

> > I'm surprised no one has assembled a package of all the things you'd need
>
>

> different people need different things.
>

Yeah, I don't think there's such a thing, as this would vary. Not sure if
this comes from the idea that we should pack libraries that were in Pd
Extended in a single download, which I'd also have thoughts against.


> if you're looking for a modern Pd with "batteries included", you can try
> PurrData. but once you've figured out which libraries you need, it's easy
> to just use Pd vanilla + Deken.
>

Yeah, this is where I'd say, but I do propose Purr Data with the remarks
that it doesn't have "ALL YOU NEED" . And saying that then you can just use
deken later also gives a wrong idea, because there are many new libraries
are only in deken and not in Purr Data, plus some of the verisions in deken
are more up to date. So I'd say Purr Data's got some (ok, actually a lot)
of batteries included, but not "all" (as in "all you need").

Sorry for nit picking

cheers
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Christof Ressi]

> I'm surprised no one has assembled a package of all the things you'd need

 

different people need different things.

 


if you're looking for a modern Pd with "batteries included", you can try PurrData. but once you've figured out which libraries you need, it's easy to just use Pd vanilla + Deken.

 

Christof

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 03. Dezember 2019 um 19:49 Uhr
Von: "henry birdseye" 
An: pd-list@lists.iem.at
Betreff: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again


Thanks Roman and zmoelnig,

I was getting ahead of myself. Plus, my expectations were w-a-y too high. I expected to be able to install the whole thing, a current and desirable version of pure data with everything I'd need.

Now that I know that is not, and will never be the case, I'll be pleased to sift thru those links from 2011 to find the good stuff.

I'm surprised no one has assembled a package of all the things you'd need, libraries, GEM, everything in one single .zip file.

And instrux on what to do.

The user base is very broad, with thousands of people approaching it for different reasons, and my tiny niche application is tough to track down.

Or I haven't dived deep enough to find it.

Thanks again.

H

On 12/3/2019 11:07 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:


Hi Henry

On Tue, 2019-12-03 at 10:50 -0500, henry birdseye wrote:



I made a very simple .pd, and no sound comes out.

What am I missing?



It looks like you are looking for [osc~]. It expects a frequency and
outputs sine wave with given frequency as audio signal. This signal
sent to [dac~] will actually create an audible sound.

Be also careful not to confuse message boxes and object boxes. [sin~(
is a message box and just sends a message 'sin~' when it receives
something.

Also, [440] simply holds the number '440'. For this object to output
anything at all, you'd have to send a 'bang' message to it. Probably
the simpler approach would be to write '440' into a message box, since
message boxes can clicked and they output their content when clicked.

So, something like this would generate sound:

[440(
|
[osc~]
|
[dac~]

and make sure to click [440( with the mouse, once you patched this.

Alternatively, you could simple do this, since [osc~] takes an
argument:

[osc~ 440]
|
[dac~ ]

NOTE: Be careful with volume, when you connect sound generators to
[dac~] directly.

Roman



 

 

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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 3. Dezember 2019 16:50:08 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
: 
>pd-0.50-2, and some things won't work.
>
>GEM is one of them. I'd like see my results better. I cannot make a 
>gemwin to save my life.

you should start by installing Gem.
then you have to load it, before you can use it.
this might seem obvious advice, but so far the only thing you told us is thay 
"it doesn't work". it's much easier to help if you tell us what you did and 
what happened as a result.


>
>One of the .pd's I'd like to use makes use of the triangle~ object, but
>
>I get a "can't create" message in the console.

there's no such object in Pd.

> Is there a library of 
>objects I can use instead?

probably. have you tried searching for "triangle" in deken?


>
>I made a very simple .pd, and no sound comes out.
>
>What am I missing?


you probably should start reading the documentation :-)

only [objects]   (rectangles) can actually be made to emit signals (eg sound). 
if the thingy has a wedge on the righthand side (eg "[bang("), it's a 
messagebox and will never make any noises.
most objects that dont end with " ~" wont do audio either. and most of them 
will only send messages when triggered. eg [123] will never send its number 
unless you send a [bang( to it, so your osc~ might happily humm at 0Hz...



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[Roman Haefeli]

Hi Henry

On Tue, 2019-12-03 at 10:50 -0500, henry birdseye wrote:
> 
> I made a very simple .pd, and no sound comes out.
> 
> What am I missing?

It looks like you are looking for [osc~]. It expects a frequency and
outputs sine wave with given frequency as audio signal. This signal
sent to [dac~] will actually create an audible sound.

Be also careful not to confuse message boxes and object boxes. [sin~(
is a message box and just sends a message 'sin~' when it receives
something.

Also, [440] simply holds the number '440'. For this object to output
anything at all, you'd have to send a 'bang' message to it. Probably
the simpler approach would be to write '440' into a message box, since
message boxes can clicked and they output their content when clicked.

So, something like this would generate sound:

[440(
|
[osc~]
|
[dac~]

and make sure to click [440( with the mouse, once you patched this.

Alternatively, you could simple do this, since [osc~] takes an
argument:

[osc~ 440]
|
[dac~ ]

NOTE: Be careful with volume, when you connect sound generators to
[dac~] directly.

Roman




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[PD] pd for oscilloscopes again

[henry birdseye]

N00b problems...

Following up on my previous thread, my first goal was to get dac~ from 
pd-0.50-2 into my DAW, Reaper, which is easy to do using ReaRoute.


There are several versions of PureData out there, and I'm stuck on a 
couple bits.


The master of oscilloscope music, Jerobeam Fenderson, suggests 
pd-extended, which I later learned is out of date, so I'm using 
pd-0.50-2, and some things won't work.


GEM is one of them. I'd like see my results better. I cannot make a 
gemwin to save my life.


One of the .pd's I'd like to use makes use of the triangle~ object, but 
I get a "can't create" message in the console. Is there a library of 
objects I can use instead?


I made a very simple .pd, and no sound comes out.

What am I missing?

More q's will surely follow and I thank you for your help.

HB



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Patrick Pagano]

Also if you just need an quick fancy scope in pd check out Malinette   Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Berenger RecoulesSent: Friday, November 29, 2019 2:03 PMTo: henry birdseye; Pd-ListSubject: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were probably created with pd-extended back then.If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla distribution and because they use objects from community contributed libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken : https://puredata.info/docs/Deken You probably should have a look here : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.phpThere are pd patches to do what you want : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.phpThey advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/ For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.  Have fun ! Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye <henry.birds...@gmail.com> a écrit :Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. "Cannot create osc~", really? On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:  http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye <henry.birds...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello PD List.. noob here.I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector display, and have a couple questions.1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular synthesizer now.The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.Thanks, list.Henry___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://b2renger.github.io/http://berengerrecoules.wordpress.com/ 



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Patrick Pagano]

There is also a really great scope system made in Gem that works very well as I recallscope~ is in cyclone Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Berenger RecoulesSent: Friday, November 29, 2019 2:03 PMTo: henry birdseye; Pd-ListSubject: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were probably created with pd-extended back then.If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla distribution and because they use objects from community contributed libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken : https://puredata.info/docs/Deken You probably should have a look here : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.phpThere are pd patches to do what you want : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.phpThey advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/ For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.  Have fun ! Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye <henry.birds...@gmail.com> a écrit :Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. "Cannot create osc~", really? On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:  http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye <henry.birds...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello PD List... noob here.I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector display, and have a couple questions.1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular synthesizer now.The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.Thanks, list.Henry___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://b2renger.github.io/http://berengerrecoules.wordpress.com/ 



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Berenger Recoules]

That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were
probably created with pd-extended back then.
If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla
distribution and because they use objects from community contributed
libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken :
https://puredata.info/docs/Deken

You probably should have a look here :
https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.php
There are pd patches to do what you want :
https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.php
They advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/

For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.


Have fun !

Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye  a
écrit :

> Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken.
> "Cannot create osc~", really?
>
>
> On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:
>
> try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
>
> also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?
>
> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
>
> Hello PD List... noob here.
>
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a
> vector display, and have a couple questions.
>
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
>
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for
> recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my
> modular synthesizer now.
>
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
>
> Thanks, list.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em sex., 29 de nov. de 2019 às 10:34, Simon Iten 
escreveu:

> try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
>
> also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?
>

it's from cyclone, btw



>
> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
>
> Hello PD List... noob here.
>
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a
> vector display, and have a couple questions.
>
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
>
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for
> recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my
> modular synthesizer now.
>
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
>
> Thanks, list.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 16:19:59 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
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>Sweet. I have not been able to get squat out of GEM.


what's a "squat"?


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. 
"Cannot create osc~", really?



On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

I'll look into JACK. Does it still not work on 64-bit? So few of the 
sites I've cruised have included the date, so I'm sure sure how far back 
ancient these links go.




On 11/29/2019 8:49 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:

Hi,

On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to
You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen 
apps.


I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
(note: Fridays are strike days)
I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.

I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as 
.wav files
You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] 
to write WAV files from Pd.



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Sweet. I have not been able to get squat out of GEM.

On 11/29/2019 9:27 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

Am 29. November 2019 15:15:55 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
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an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

Gem has a `[scopeXYZ~]`.

iirc, it's working for me.


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

unfortunately we are both wrong...

it depends on the  technology. IPS or TN

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 15:36 Roman Haefeli  wrote:

> On Fri, 2019-11-29 at 15:29 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten <
> > itensi...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen <
> > > > cla...@mathr.co.uk>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> > > > https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> > > > (note: Fridays are strike days)
> > >
> > > then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
> > > save so much more energy….
> >
> > are you still using a CRT?
>
> He's probably already using OLED...
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2019-11-29 at 15:29 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten <
> itensi...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > > On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen <
> > > cla...@mathr.co.uk>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> > > https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> > > (note: Fridays are strike days)
> > 
> > then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
> > save so much more energy….
> 
> are you still using a CRT?

He's probably already using OLED...

Roman


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten :
>
>
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
>> https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
>> (note: Fridays are strike days)
>then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
>save so much more energy….

are you still using a CRT?


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 15:15:55 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
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>an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

Gem has a `[scopeXYZ~]`.

iirc, it's working for me.


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

Henry




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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

This drives me nuts: so many conflicting and very ancient pages for PD 
that I haven't caught yet caught on to what's the latest greatest.


On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

Henry




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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
>> what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ 
>> objects to
> You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen apps.
> 
> I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> (note: Fridays are strike days)
then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will save so 
much more energy….
> I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.
> 
>> I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav 
>> files
> You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] to 
> write WAV files from Pd.
> 
> 
> Claude
> -- 
> https://mathr.co.uk
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> 
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Hi,

On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to

You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen apps.

I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
(note: Fridays are strike days)
I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.

I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as 
.wav files
You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] to 
write WAV files from Pd.



Claude
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https://mathr.co.uk




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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html 

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
> 
> Hello PD List... noob here.
> 
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector 
> display, and have a couple questions.
> 
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my 
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good 
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can 
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
> 
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording 
> as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular 
> synthesizer now.
> 
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
> 
> Thanks, list.
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
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[PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display 
my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a 
good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects 
to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record 
my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

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