Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Jack]

OK ! The bug seems to exist only on MacOSX and on a french Keyboard. No
probleme here with Ubuntu 17.10 and a french keyboard too.
++

Jack



Le 24/03/2018 à 11:32, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
>> I dont know if this is related, but on my system,
>>
>> Keyup object outputs  its value immediately after key, when I press a
>> key, not when I release it.
> 
> This is known: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/213
> 
> It's not directly related but more an issue with the TK Cocoa backend. 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Dan Wilcox]

> I dont know if this is related, but on my system,
> 
> Keyup object outputs  its value immediately after key, when I press a
> key, not when I release it.


This is known: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/213 


It's not directly related but more an issue with the TK Cocoa backend. 


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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Dan Wilcox]

After some testing, it looks like the issue is how the Tk is handling the Shift 
key with the French keyboard mapping.

For example, the Bang shortcut is bound as:

bind all <$::modifier-Shift-Key-B> {menu_send %W bng}
bind all <$::modifier-Shift-Key-b> {menu_send %W bng}

and the menu item:

$mymenu add command -label [_ "Bang"] -accelerator "$accelerator+Shift+B" \
-command {menu_send $::focused_window bng}

With the English keyboard mapping, the $::modifier-Shift-Key-b fires and the 
menu item's command is ignored (expected behavior).

With the French keyboard mapping, the $::modifier-Shift-Key-B fires AND the 
menu item command fires. It seems as though the capital B doesn't get matched 
to the menu accelerator binding.

The German keyboard mapping behaves the same as the English one.

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 10:29 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm seeing this with a French keyboard mapping and my system set to 
> English.


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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Dan Wilcox]

I can confirm seeing this with a French keyboard mapping and my system set to 
English.

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Jack  wrote:
> 
> It is with : Tk 8.5.19
> ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> Le 22/03/2018 à 18:21, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
>> Ok thanks for checking.
>> 
>> At least we can confirm it's a system language issue, although I'm
>> thinking it's more of a bug in Tk. Which version of TK does it display
>> when you put the log to all?
>> 
>> I'm wondering if it's also related to setting the available languages in
>> the app bundle. I'll see if I can look into it as it's pretty annoying.
>> I ran into the same problem with earlier buggy versions of Tk < 8.5.13.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 5:53 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Jack >
>>> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>>> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
>>> Message-ID: <163110eb-5078-0c07-8594-da9e350e3...@rybn.org
>>> >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> Yep, I confirm.
>>> I asked to a participant to launch Pd in english, but it doesn't solve
>>> the problem.
>>> ++
>>> 
>>> Jack
> 


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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Jack]

It is with : Tk 8.5.19
++

Jack



Le 22/03/2018 à 18:21, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
> Ok thanks for checking.
> 
> At least we can confirm it's a system language issue, although I'm
> thinking it's more of a bug in Tk. Which version of TK does it display
> when you put the log to all?
> 
> I'm wondering if it's also related to setting the available languages in
> the app bundle. I'll see if I can look into it as it's pretty annoying.
> I ran into the same problem with earlier buggy versions of Tk < 8.5.13.
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 5:53 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
>>  wrote:
>>
>> From: Jack >
>> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
>> Message-ID: <163110eb-5078-0c07-8594-da9e350e3...@rybn.org
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Yep, I confirm.
>> I asked to a participant to launch Pd in english, but it doesn't solve
>> the problem.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Nicolas Montgermont]

tk is:
Tk 8.5.19
n
--

http://nimon.org

Le 22/03/2018 à 18:21, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
> Ok thanks for checking.
>
> At least we can confirm it's a system language issue, although I'm
> thinking it's more of a bug in Tk. Which version of TK does it display
> when you put the log to all?
>
> I'm wondering if it's also related to setting the available languages
> in the app bundle. I'll see if I can look into it as it's pretty
> annoying. I ran into the same problem with earlier buggy versions of
> Tk < 8.5.13.
>
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 5:53 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
>>  wrote:
>>
>> From: Jack >
>> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
>> Message-ID: <163110eb-5078-0c07-8594-da9e350e3...@rybn.org
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Yep, I confirm.
>> I asked to a participant to launch Pd in english, but it doesn't solve
>> the problem.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com 
> robotcowboy.com 
>
>
>

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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Jack]

Yep, I confirm.
I asked to a participant to launch Pd in english, but it doesn't solve
the problem.
++

Jack



Le 22/03/2018 à 14:04, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
> Same problem here, that is not solved by switching to English.
> The interface is in English but the object are still created in double
> (with CMD+SHIFT+B for example)
> osx 10.9.5
> n
> 
> http://nimon.org
> 
> Le 22/03/2018 à 12:37, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
>> If you have a chance, can you also run Pd with the english translation
>> but keep a French system and keyboard? You can do this on the
>> commandline with:
>>
>> LANG=en.UTF8 open /Applications/Pd-0.48-1.app
>>
>> I'd be curious to know if it's related to Pd's language or to the
>> system, etc.
>>
>> At some point, I feel like I/we will need to actually fix the key
>> event issues in TK ourselves...
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jack >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Dan,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your reply.
>>> The workshop was with french people (with french keyboard), and Pd
>>> interface was in french too.
>>> If switching to english solves the problem, i will ask to particpants to
>>> test this.
>>> ++
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 22/03/2018 à 12:14, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
 Are you using an English keyboard and/or English local aka Pd is in
 English? There seems to be  weird bug that causes this on *some* systems
 and switching Pd to english fixes it. I'm not sure what's going on, but
 it's related to the TK 8.5 cocoa bindings backend which is also causing
 the issues [key].

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
> 
>  wrote:
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:18:34 +0100
> From: Jack 
> >
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
> 
> Subject: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
> Message-ID: <1fd3cfb5-f043-f751-4c0d-5cb3542c2...@rybn.org
> 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hello,
>
> Everything is in the title (Pd 0.48.1, MacOSX) : during a workshop some
> people with this configuration trying to create a GUI object with
> keyboard shortcut, create two times this object. (I don't know exactly
> the version of MacOSX).
> Is it a known bug ?
> ++
>
> Jack

 
 Dan Wilcox
 @danomatika 
 danomatika.com  
 robotcowboy.com  



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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Dan Wilcox]

If you have a chance, can you also run Pd with the english translation but keep 
a French system and keyboard? You can do this on the commandline with:

LANG=en.UTF8 open /Applications/Pd-0.48-1.app

I'd be curious to know if it's related to Pd's language or to the system, etc.

At some point, I feel like I/we will need to actually fix the key event issues 
in TK ourselves...

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Jack  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> The workshop was with french people (with french keyboard), and Pd
> interface was in french too.
> If switching to english solves the problem, i will ask to particpants to
> test this.
> ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 22/03/2018 à 12:14, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
>> Are you using an English keyboard and/or English local aka Pd is in
>> English? There seems to be  weird bug that causes this on *some* systems
>> and switching Pd to english fixes it. I'm not sure what's going on, but
>> it's related to the TK 8.5 cocoa bindings backend which is also causing
>> the issues [key].
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:18:34 +0100
>>> From: Jack >
>>> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>>> Subject: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>>> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
>>> Message-ID: <1fd3cfb5-f043-f751-4c0d-5cb3542c2...@rybn.org
>>> >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Everything is in the title (Pd 0.48.1, MacOSX) : during a workshop some
>>> people with this configuration trying to create a GUI object with
>>> keyboard shortcut, create two times this object. (I don't know exactly
>>> the version of MacOSX).
>>> Is it a known bug ?
>>> ++
>>> 
>>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika 
>> danomatika.com 
>> robotcowboy.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Jack]

Hello Dan,

Thank you for your reply.
The workshop was with french people (with french keyboard), and Pd
interface was in french too.
If switching to english solves the problem, i will ask to particpants to
test this.
++

Jack



Le 22/03/2018 à 12:14, Dan Wilcox a écrit :
> Are you using an English keyboard and/or English local aka Pd is in
> English? There seems to be  weird bug that causes this on *some* systems
> and switching Pd to english fixes it. I'm not sure what's going on, but
> it's related to the TK 8.5 cocoa bindings backend which is also causing
> the issues [key].
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:18:34 +0100
>> From: Jack >
>> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>> Subject: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>> shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
>> Message-ID: <1fd3cfb5-f043-f751-4c0d-5cb3542c2...@rybn.org
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Everything is in the title (Pd 0.48.1, MacOSX) : during a workshop some
>> people with this configuration trying to create a GUI object with
>> keyboard shortcut, create two times this object. (I don't know exactly
>> the version of MacOSX).
>> Is it a known bug ?
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
> 
> 
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> danomatika.com 
> robotcowboy.com 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard shortcut create two objects on MacOSX

[Dan Wilcox]

Are you using an English keyboard and/or English local aka Pd is in English? 
There seems to be  weird bug that causes this on *some* systems and switching 
Pd to english fixes it. I'm not sure what's going on, but it's related to the 
TK 8.5 cocoa bindings backend which is also causing the issues [key].

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:18:34 +0100
> From: Jack >
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
> Subject: [PD] Creating a GUI object on Pd 0.48.1 with keyboard
>   shortcut create two objects on MacOSX
> Message-ID: <1fd3cfb5-f043-f751-4c0d-5cb3542c2...@rybn.org 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Everything is in the title (Pd 0.48.1, MacOSX) : during a workshop some
> people with this configuration trying to create a GUI object with
> keyboard shortcut, create two times this object. (I don't know exactly
> the version of MacOSX).
> Is it a known bug ?
> ++
> 
> Jack


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