Re: A 28/3.5 Shift Lens

2001-08-02 Thread Arnold Stark

Nicholas Wright schrieb:

 I am very interested in having a perspective control lens in my system. I
 know, I know, I should get a large format. Well, that's just not going to
 happen anytime soon. :] Anyway I was wondering, does anyone on the list have
 any experience with this lens? Image quality? Ease of use? Thanks for all
 input. :)

I guess you have seen the specifications and images of the lens at
http://www.BDimitrov.de/kmp/  (Lenses, Prime Lenses, 28 mm f/3.5 Shift)

The 28/f3.5 Shift lens is of course ideal for pictures of buildings, towers,
etc., even though I sometimes prefer to go farther away and take the picture
with a normal lens or even with a tele lens, if that is possible. The shift lens
is not really very sharp until f11, but in most cases it is no problem to stop
down to that value. Distortion is low, and flare is not much of a problem due to
the SMC coating (but of course some flare exists when shooting directly at the
sun). The lens is a mechanical dream like most orginal K lenses. The lens has so
many rings [1.) Filter selection ring, 2.) ring for selection of the aperture,
3.) ring for stopping down to the selected aperture, 4.) focusing ring, 5.)
shifting ring and 6.) lens rotation ring] that the handling requires some
practice, but as soon as you are used to them, you will enjoy turning all those
rings. However, the lens is rather large and heavy when compared to
constructions of other manufacturers. It is recommended to use the lens together
with a tripod and a grid screen, but I successfully use the lens without either
most of the time when traveling...   Prices for used samples are around US$ 700.

Arnold


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Re: A matter of identity

2001-08-02 Thread Jim Brooks

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
Jim, perhaps you should loan your sig file to Mafud? ;)

Aaron - are you sure that was me? ;D

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Re: the gallery, finally

2001-08-02 Thread Jostein Øksne


- Original Message -
From: CW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...snip...]
 Jostein Oksne-Night Pipe
 That green smoke is very very cool

Thanks, Cory. The smoke from that pipe is very strange.
It takes on different colours after the light. In bright daylight it's
usually white, but under heavy clouds it looks steel gray.
At sunset it can capture a lot of dramatic colours. I have lurked
around it many times, but it's not always easy to get a good
composition
with it. If I find other good viewpoints, it may end up in some future
PUGs
too...:-)

Glad you liked it.

Jostein

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Absolutely OT: Re: OT... way OT - more 2

2001-08-02 Thread Atvars_Karro

Mafud,
 would you please use that ~stressing~ marks a bit less than now? It lets
me think you are very nervous/agressive person. IMHO only, no personal
abuse at all :) Imagine I WOULD WRITE CAPSLOCK ONLY! :)

Regards,
 Atvars, looking at the unbelievable beautiful blue sky, light blue with a
bit greenish tint at the horizon+dark green foliage for contrast, bright
and intense blue above head - what an excellent gradient, and what a pity I
have BW film loaded now :(

 As for the intellectually stunted post involved: had anyone here
(including
 you) ~really~ noticed that I ~never~, ~ever~ sign anything but Mafud?

 Mafud


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Re: Smack

2001-08-02 Thread Jim Moniz

I enjoyed it, even though my stupid 56K modem didn't want me to...what is
the vote code they want me to enter?
Jim
- Original Message -
From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: Smack


 Hi everybody,

 I'm sending again this message (was: The First Kiss) hoping that
 you all can help us to improve our ranking: I'm competing for a
 short film contest on-line, the title of which is The First
 Kiss, with a movie in which I took part as director of
 photography.
 You can see it on

 http://www.shortvillage.com/english/Premio/index.htm

 The short we made is Smack, directed by Alessandro de
 Cristofaro, and is the very last one at the bottom of the page.

 I'd like to let you see it in a better way, but these are the
 obvious limits of the movies on line.
 To see it you should have the cookies on your browser enabled.

 It's a contest, and the winner is decided upon the votes made
 on-line.
 I would be glad if you could vote the movie, we need all the
 support you can give (tear-jerking music in background... :).
 The contest will end on the 30th of september, so... VOTE!!

 To stay barely on topic, the shots of the making were all made
 with an MZ-5n (you could see one clicking on the movie and then
 on the info button).

 Thanks in advance,

 Gianfranco

 PS: It would be great and very nice of you if you could vote
 from time to time, this is the fourth short film we have made
 and
 it's the first time we are able to achieve such a wide public
 and interest.

 PPS: Vote 5!!

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Re:OT: Professionals -- Markov says...

2001-08-02 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Juan J. Buhler wrote:

 I'll look in the web for something similar, or maybe I'll try to write
 my own (the one my friend wrote has some limitations I think--it could
 and should try to keep sentences a bit more coherent.)  If I come up
 with something, I'll let you know.

These responses remind me of MegaHAL, a chatbot who seems slightly
unhinged and is very good at association (I fed a copy 10 years worth of
negative Roger Ebert reviews, and it seems to have permanently linked
the Power Rangers, the Spice Girls and the Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles).  MegaHAL is a free download for pretty much every platform
imaginable.  Mac people, I suggest getting the older version of
MacMegaHAL, since the new one seems slightly crash-prone.

Yu can find MegaHAL at
http://www.amristar.com.au/~hutch/megahal/download/ .  I suggest poking
around and reading the transcripts and such, they're quite entertaining.
 The author has written a couple of others (including one that makes up
its own words), but so far I've enjoyed MegaHAL the most.

ME: MegaHAL, the Pentax LX is a professional camera.

MegaHAL: It is a professional camera because it is a professional camera.

ME: That is deeply profound.

MegaHAL: I can kill you in your sleep.

...and so on.

-Aaron
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Re: Re: Two B/W Shots

2001-08-02 Thread David J Brooks

Paul,I use the 400CN film for exactly your reasons,print
out on colour paper,view the ones i like then reprint
on BW paper.I remember last year having 2 rolls of BW
film done at a lab with xtra prints and i think it ran me
$50.00 Can to do.I can develop the CN for $7.99 and reprints
are $0.49 on 4x6.

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:19:30 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots


Kodak 400cn is a b/w film that can be processed as a colour film 
(c41), to
get decent results it really needs to be printed on black and white 
paper
though.

Compared to how much b/w costs to process it works out at an ok price 
for me
to get this film processed and printed on colour paper and use these 
as
proofs, then get any enlargements i want printed on b/w paper.
- Original Message -
 From: Anand DHUPKAR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots


 sorry, but what is that cn ?  with c41 process ?
 means negative uses color process and gives b+w photos ?
 i am not aware


 From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:52:25 +1000
 
 Thanks Anand,
 
 The film was with Kodak 400cn, so they were just processed and 
printed
as
 normal C41. But i've found you have to pick your lab with this 
film, as
 some
 places make an absolute mess of it.
 
 Cya
 - Original Message -
 From: Anand DHUPKAR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
 
 
   I agree.
   Both the shots are very beautiful.
   I feel like going back to B/W once again - but I don't have all 
the
 darkroom
   set up .. and more important I don't have that much time for 
that.
 Where
 is
   the printing done, btw ? at lab or you did it yourself ?
  
   anand
  
  
   From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
   Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:36:39 -0400
   
   Very nice shots
   
   Dave
   
    Begin Original Message 
   
   From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:00:28 +1000
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Two B/W Shots
   
   
   Hi,
   
   I am trying to shoot atleast one role of film during the 
working
   week, these
   are my better to shots for this week.
   
   Neither of the shots have been cropped and they were only 
sharpened
   slightly
   to correct for the scanning.
   
   At the moment i'm only using my Spotmatic and 55/1.8, i've had 
this
   camera
   since school.
   
   Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take 
it,
   aslong as
   it constructive :)
   
   http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/images01.html
   
   Thanks,
   Paul Jones
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Re: Re: Two B/W Shots

2001-08-02 Thread Paul Jones

A place near home actualy loads there fuji fronteir with b/w paper once a
day to print 400cn, for the same price as normal c41 process and print. Only
used them once, there not really convenient to go to.


- Original Message -
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Two B/W Shots


 Paul,I use the 400CN film for exactly your reasons,print
 out on colour paper,view the ones i like then reprint
 on BW paper.I remember last year having 2 rolls of BW
 film done at a lab with xtra prints and i think it ran me
 $50.00 Can to do.I can develop the CN for $7.99 and reprints
 are $0.49 on 4x6.

 Dave

  Begin Original Message 

 From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:19:30 +1000
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots


 Kodak 400cn is a b/w film that can be processed as a colour film
 (c41), to
 get decent results it really needs to be printed on black and white
 paper
 though.

 Compared to how much b/w costs to process it works out at an ok price
 for me
 to get this film processed and printed on colour paper and use these
 as
 proofs, then get any enlargements i want printed on b/w paper.
 - Original Message -
  From: Anand DHUPKAR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:44 PM
 Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots


  sorry, but what is that cn ? with c41 process ?
  means negative uses color process and gives b+w photos ?
  i am not aware
 
 
  From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
  Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:52:25 +1000
  
  Thanks Anand,
  
  The film was with Kodak 400cn, so they were just processed and
 printed
 as
  normal C41. But i've found you have to pick your lab with this
 film, as
  some
  places make an absolute mess of it.
  
  Cya
  - Original Message -
  From: Anand DHUPKAR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
  
  
I agree.
Both the shots are very beautiful.
I feel like going back to B/W once again - but I don't have all
 the
  darkroom
set up .. and more important I don't have that much time for
 that.
  Where
  is
the printing done, btw ? at lab or you did it yourself ?
   
anand
   
   
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two B/W Shots
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:36:39 -0400

Very nice shots

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:00:28 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Two B/W Shots


Hi,

I am trying to shoot atleast one role of film during the
 working
week, these
are my better to shots for this week.

Neither of the shots have been cropped and they were only
 sharpened
slightly
to correct for the scanning.

At the moment i'm only using my Spotmatic and 55/1.8, i've had
 this
camera
since school.

Any comments appreciated on or off list. Dont worry i can take
 it,
aslong as
it constructive :)

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/images01.html

Thanks,
Paul Jones
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Re: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread Pål Jensen



 Well I did bought  the MZ-S but the 24-90 mm did not felt solid at all. It is said 
that the optics are quit good.

Well, the bad news is that the FA* 28-70/2.8 isn't well built at all. Optically its 
great. If you want a lightweight and flexible zoom outfit your best bet is the 24-90. 
If you want a 28.70/2,8 buy a Tokina. I hate to say this being a Pentax lens users 
only, but the FA* 28-70/2.8 really isn't a contender.


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Re: August PUG

2001-08-02 Thread William Robb

Hmm, you need to have Java enabled for those links to operate.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts 
Subject: Re: August PUG




 Lots of nice images in the LX gallery but the Technical and
History links on
 the main page don't work for me. The The LX Gallery link
itself works fine,
 though.



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Re: August PUG

2001-08-02 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: August PUG


 Dear Pug Meister,

 The chain of photos still skips Gordie Clarke's submission.
You have to get there from the thumbnail on the main page only.

K, its fixed now.

 I also noticed the LX gallery on the bottom!

Regarding the LX gallery, I thought about copying the PUG format
when I put this thing together, then decided I wanted to make a
gallery that had a different look to it, but would still tie in
with the PUG. Hence there are some similarities, such as the
background colour, and I tried to maintain the general look of
the banners.
The gallery does require that you have java enabled on your
browser, and that your browser supports frames.
And yes, that is one of my own LX's as the model for the index
page image.
Shot with an LX, I might add.
William Robb




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Re: Equipment Question - Response Requested

2001-08-02 Thread Mark Roberts

Nenad Djurdjevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Harry Baughman wrote:

 i used that 1.7 converter when i had a sf1n a long time ago. i put it on
 with a 85 1.8 lens. you set the lens to infinity and let the
 teleconverter do the focusing. i don't remember how it worked with
 regards to close focusing.

Close focus distance remains the same as without the converter.

Well no, it doesn't. Minimum focusing distance decreases by about 40% (1/1.7).
So not only do you get a 1.7x increase in focal length, you can get closer to
your subject for an even greater magnification ratio. I just confirmed this
myself with my 1.7x TC.
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Re: Meter calibration with sunny 16.

2001-08-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 One of the problems w sunny-16 is 
 that when it was the way to meter 
 film speed was rated one stop lower 
 than it is today. No they didn't 
 improve the film, they just changed 
 the rating. The difference is that 
 before meters were common the film 
 makers had a one-stop safety factor 
 in the film speed. That allowed the
 film to be over-exposed one stop, or 
 under-exposed two stops and still get 
 a printable negative. Modern negative 
 film has a wider range than that so 
 sunny-16 is usually close enough. If 
 you are interested this change took 
 place in 1959, we photographers do
 like to keep up to date f.

Hi Tom ...

I don't doubt you, but I tend to.  Far be it for me to challenge the
veracity of your comments, for I'm far from well-versed in these
matters.  However, I am somewhat skeptical, so perhaps you'd care to
expand upon this point a little.

Tell me exactly how the film rating was changed.  Was it arbitrary? 
Did it take into account the film's latitude?  Is this true for color
negative film as well as BW negative?  If the actual film speed is
the same, then what you're saying is that film makers are just making
their emulsions faster by rating the film at a higher point within
it's latitude.  However, if the film speed is the same, then there's
still only one correct exposure in order to garner the best results
from the negative, and that would be the old speed rating, since, as
you say, it's not been changed.

Further, today there are very few emulsions that were available back
when this change was supposed to have occurred, and, of those that are
using the same name have been improved (i.e., changed) many times
over.  How would you use then sunny 16 rule with a new emulsion, one
that hasn't had its speed rating modified?

Finally, you mention that this change took place in 1959, and you also
noted that The difference is that before meters were common the film
makers had a one-stop safety factor in the film speed.  These
statements seem somewhat at odds with one another, since meters were
quite common before 1959 and TTL meters didn't appear until after
1959, with some possible exceptions.

So, perhaps you can explain this concept a little more for, being the
mental midget that I am, I'm having a hard time fully understanding
the concept.  

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why should I use a meter?  What if the darn thing broke on me
when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do?
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PUG themes

2001-08-02 Thread William Robb



 But speaking of the PUG, where do I find the list of themes
for upcoming
 months? I've always wondered.

http://pug.komkon.org/general/themes.html

There is a link below the thumbnails called previous galleries
and other stuff
Behind that link is another index page, leading to all sorts of
PUG related trivia.
William Robb

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Re: the gallery, finally

2001-08-02 Thread Mark Roberts

CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

After a quick trip through the shots,

The ones that made me say DAMN!:

Mark Roberts -Leicester Square Carousel
 Those images look ghostly!

Thanks! I took about 5 shots and they all came out quite similar and yet quite
different as different kids on the ride came by and I caught them at different
positions in relation to the camera with different amounts of blur. I had the
damnedest time picking out which one to use.
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Re: August PUG comments

2001-08-02 Thread JeffW.

Question on prices. Would $54 for a Honeywell Pentax Spotmatic 500 SP in
very to excellent condition and SMC Tak 55/f2 be about right?

TIA,

JeffW.

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Re: August PUG comments

2001-08-02 Thread Chris Brogden

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, JeffW. wrote:

 Question on prices. Would $54 for a Honeywell Pentax Spotmatic 500 SP in
 very to excellent condition and SMC Tak 55/f2 be about right?

It's not bad.  I've seen them go for less, but also for more (though not
much more).

chris

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Re: Offer from Kevin at JD Color

2001-08-02 Thread Chris Brogden

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Bucky wrote:

 Kevin wrote me the following note to pass on:
 
 Thanks for all the input.  I don't know if I mentioned this to you
 before but I work for a Retail camera store.  This of course means
 that we can get new product and I will be getting the stuff I buy for
 myself at cost.  It also means that I can supply you and your fellow
 mailing list members with new equipment.  The reason I mention this is
 that Chris [Brogden] wrote about wanting an MZ-S.  I can probably get
 him a better deal than any local retailer.

Ummm... I think he has me confused with someone else.  :)  I don't think
I've ever said that I want an MZ-S (I don't), and I, too, work in a camera
store.  I even get a better deal on new equipment than what our store pays
for it.  :)  But thanks for the offer!

chris

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Re: August PUG

2001-08-02 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1993, Juan Buhler. Nice picture of you and your nerd friends :-P . No,
 really, I like it, and it reminds me a lot of similar things we try to do
 with my friends.

Gracias, Albano.

Nerd friends, allright. That what we still are, actually.

It was the first year that I had an SLR, so I was doing the usual
experiments with bulb, long exposures, flash off camera, etc.

I tried to rescan it for the PUG, but couldn't find the negs... :-(
They're probably safely stored in a damp, warm and dusty storage bin
in my apartment...

j

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Re: Aug Pug:First impressions

2001-08-02 Thread Frank Theriault

Thanks for your comment, Dave!

-frank

David J Brooks wrote:

 Once again,a great gallery to look at.Just viewd it and
 some that make first impressions are:

 David A Mann: Hand very erie but  soft

 Cesar A Mantamoros:Barrel Racer in Florida nice action
 shot(we have to have 1 horse pic every gallery eh Cesar??)

 Frank Theriault:High on the Bank very nice colours,the blur
 makes for great speed

 Thanks to all who contributed
 (my submittion had to much sunlight.Oh well, next month)

 Dave

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Re: LX CPU? (was Re: LX with AF, realy it works !)

2001-08-02 Thread Alexander Krohe

Look these links; 

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/pentaxlx/metering/metering.htm


http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/pentaxlx/metering/exposure.htm


http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/pentaxlx/flash/options.htm

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone said:
 
   I was told by a Pentax rep. that they skipped
 the AE
   lock because the the exposure value (used in
 automatic
   mode) is not stored by the camera CPU.
 
 I've looked through all my LX, and several others. 
 I've read
 Crawley's book about the camera.  I've read
 countless threads here on
 the PDML and looked through numerous sites that
 describe the workings
 of the camera.  Nowhere have I been able to find, or
 find mention of,
 the CPU that you mention.  Where is it?  What
 functions does it
 support?
 
 -- 
 Shel Belinkoff
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Why should I use a meter?  What if the darn thing
 broke on me
 when I was out making a photograph? Then what would
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Re: Meter calibration with sunny 16.

2001-08-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Best way to calibrate for sunny 16 is 
 camera on manual-centre weight, set
 the lens at f/16 (ISO 100) point the lens 
 at a ~clear~ patch of the bluest part of 
 the sky, usually away from the sun. 

While this is an OK method if you don't care for or need precise
exposure, it's far from accurate, as the bluest part of the sky
varies at different times of the day and in different parts of the
world.  I suppose it's fine if one lives in Zawadiland g but it may
not be very good for those of use in Belinkovia.

 FYI: 50 mm is one of the worst lenses to 
 calibrate for sunny 16 in that it is
 too short (wide) and takes in too much 
 sky to be accurate. *Use your 200/300mm 
 tele or 70-200 zoom at 200 mm (manual).

And if one doesn't have these lenses?

 *If you get 1/60th sec (one stop over) 
 or 1/250th sec (one stop under) you
 have to dial in the difference with the 
 aperture or film speed indicator or
 by camera body compensation.

Or, depending on circumstances, 1/60 or 1/250 could be correct.

 If over or under, get your camera CLAed. But meanwhile, leave it compensated 
 and shoot your heart out.

Before playing around with all these tricks one must have the
camera/meter properly calibrated.  Anyone that points their camera at
the sky and the shoots their heart out deserves all the poorly exposed
negatives or slides that they may get.

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Re: PUG Observations

2001-08-02 Thread Ernest Alejandria

Great Gallery again this month. Here are just a few comments on some that 
stood out for me, in no particular order.

Hands by David Mann- There's almost a religious quality to this picture that 
evokes memories of my Catholic school days of yore. I love it.

Memory by Luis Pinar- Eerie and very poignant. Especially after reading the 
text.

Zero Hour Sky by Thomas Cakalic- One word, WOW.

Colorado Belle by Jan van Wijk- Seen this sight numerous time but never with 
a photo equipment in hand. Great shot.

Harbor Lights by Steve Larson- San Pedro never looked so tranquil. Steve 
must have some very steady nerves to handhold this shot. Great image all 
around.

City Lights by Gary Murphy- The contrast in the light intensities in the 
different parts of the frame is what made this picture for me.

Lights of Hong Kong by Henry Chu- Shot a few rolls of nighttime Hong Kong 
myself but none came out as good as this one.

Antim Monastery by Alin Flaider- That archway leading the eye directly to 
main subject of the image. Great composition.

There are several others that I enjoyed but the limitations of time 
precludes comments on those at this point.

P. Ernest





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RE: Problem with Tamron Adaptall mount

2001-08-02 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

 I just purchased a new Tamron 90mm f/2.8 adaptall macro lens and
 a adaptall
 2 mount for Pentax KA.  The lens and mount work perfectly with an older K
Why didn't you buy the AF version in Pentax mount? I have it, and it works
without a problem on my PZ-1. Perhaps you can exchange it?

Frits

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Re: Meter calibration with sunny 16.

2001-08-02 Thread ZawadiMedia

In a message dated 8/2/01 1:22:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 
 Yesterday, I read in Shaw's Closeups in Nature how to calibrate the
 camera's meter with sunny 16, and I found amazing that you can actually take
 pictures without using a meter, I think I'm veeery slwly starting to
 understand Shel!
  

Old PJ trick that is.

Best way to calibrate for sunny 16 is camera on manual-centre weight, set 
the lens at f/16 (ISO 100) point the lens at a ~clear~ patch of the bluest 
part of the sky, usually away from the sun. You should get the reciprocal 
your flash sync: 1/125th sec. 
FYI: 50 mm is one of the worst lenses to calibrate for sunny 16 in that it is 
too short (wide) and takes in too much sky to be accurate. 
*Use your 200/300mm tele or 70-200 zoom at 200 mm (manual).
*If you get 1/60th sec (one stop over) or 1/250th sec (one stop under) you 
have to dial in the difference with the aperture or film speed indicator or 
by camera body compensation. 
If over or under, get your camera CLAed. But meanwhile, leave it compensated 
and shoot your heart out.

Mafud
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Re: Meter calibration with sunny 16.

2001-08-02 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Congratulations you have just discovered why I tell people to
use sunny-11. 

Green grass is usually very close to 18%. But I would not change
your camera meter settings until I tried it with slide film.

One of the problems w sunny-16 is that when it was the way to
meter film speed was rated one stop lower than it is today. No
they didn't improve the film, they just changed the rating. The
difference is that before meters were common the film makers had
a one-stop safety factor in the film speed. That allowed the
film to be over-exposed one stop, or under-exposed two stops and
still get a printable negative. Modern negative film has a wider
range than that so sunny-16 is usually close enough. If you are
interested this change took place in 1959, we photographers do
like to keep up to date f.

Slide film while it has more latitude than in the old days had
far less than negative film, plus it never had the safety factor
so sunny-16 is pretty close to correct and a good way to check
your meter to within about a stop. So if you get a properly
exposed slide with sunny-16 and your meter reads within a stop
of that you can probably trust the meter. For closer than that
you need to have it calibrated by a good repair shop.

--Tom



Hernan Mouro wrote:
 
 Yesterday, I read in Shaw's Closeups in Nature how to calibrate the
 camera's meter with sunny 16, and I found amazing that you can actually take
 pictures without using a meter, I think I'm veeery slwly starting to
 understand Shel!
 
 However, today I tried (it can't get sunnier than today here in Kansas), it
 was about 10:30 am. I set the camera to ASA 100, f16, and 1/125 (am I doing
 things right?). I switched to spot meter (my camera is a ZX-5n) and set my
 28-80 lens to 80mm (I had to adjust the aperture to show me f16 in the
 viewfinder, since it's a variable aperture zoom (am I still right?).
 
 I had a hard time deciding what was middle gray. The concrete of a
 sidewalk should me -1/2 in the meter, the grass -1, a brick wall -1 1/2.
 Switching to multi-segment consistently showed me -1 pointing to what I
 think was
 average light compositions (some sky, some buildings, some trees, some
 grass).
 
 Does this mean that I should set the camera to underexpose 1/2 to 1 stop by
 default? I know, I should try bracketing some slides and see how the real
 results are (I never shot slides), but does this make any sense so far?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Hernan Mouro.
 
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LX and PUG Gallery

2001-08-02 Thread Norman Baugher

Just a quick note, the Aug gallery is great, I'll comment later. The LX
gallery I found to be *absolutely* outstanding. Great work guys.
Norm

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Re: PUG

2001-08-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Bill D. Casselberry wrote:

   Arf, Arf ho!   Ar-OooH
Chalk up another one for the 20mm f4.5 Super Bow-Wow Takumar
 
HIGH FIVE!
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Re: First Kiss

2001-08-02 Thread Ernest Alejandria

On Aug. 2, 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

Scooterman wrote:

So do we get to see the pics or not?!!!  g

I suggest 'various stages of undress' as an upcoming PUG theme...the
he'd be obligated to show us! ;)

H, why do I see a lawsuit in my future from someone I haven't seen in 
over 14 years. :) Is it too late to delete that part of my original post 
that alluded to the photoshoot? Me and my big mouth and uncontrollable 
fingers on the keyboard.

But speaking of the PUG, where do I find the list of themes for upcoming 
months? I've always wondered.

P. Ernest



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Re: August PUG

2001-08-02 Thread William Robb

I'll get that fixed later today.
Oh, yes, the LX Gallery is linked to this month's page.
You can't miss the link.
William Robb
- Original Message -
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: August PUG


 Dear Pug Meister,

 The chain of photos still skips Gordie Clarke's submission.
You have to get there from the thumbnail on the main page only.

 I also noticed the LX gallery on the bottom!

 Lots of fine images.  Comments will follow...

 Regards,  Bob S.
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LX CPU? (was Re: LX with AF, realy it works !)

2001-08-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Someone said:

  I was told by a Pentax rep. that they skipped the AE
  lock because the the exposure value (used in automatic
  mode) is not stored by the camera CPU.

I've looked through all my LX, and several others.  I've read
Crawley's book about the camera.  I've read countless threads here on
the PDML and looked through numerous sites that describe the workings
of the camera.  Nowhere have I been able to find, or find mention of,
the CPU that you mention.  Where is it?  What functions does it
support?

-- 
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Re: My Favs for this Month

2001-08-02 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Paul Jones wrote:
 
 Yaquina Bay Bridge by Bill Casselberry 
 this shots gives me a surreal feeling and not just because 
 of the Infrared film. Great Exposure and composition.

thanks!   exposure was strictly by the book - one of the
coolest things about IR is that exoticly bizarre  spooky
shots can be made w/ little regard for exotic metering!
I just set the camera by the guidelines inside the box and
have at it! After a bit one notices the sort of conditions
that reveal the film's best nature - strong sun from behind
w/ clear puffy cloud skies and interesting arrangment of
foliage  water (if available).

... as an addendum to the Alternative Light theme this month,
I have (for a while anyway) a qualifying shot up as my Photo
of the Week (more or less) at :

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb/Commercial/wkly/wklyphoto.html

the light source is burning kerosene and the film/gear is
Fuji 800 and the SuperProgram w/ SMCP 45-125mm f4 at f5.6 on AUTO

oh  and don't try this at home, either!  !8^D

Bill 

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Re: Smack

2001-08-02 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Hi Jim,
Thanks for looking.
When you want to express your opinion about the movie (and you
MUST!) they ask you a code to be sure you do not vote twice or
more a day. You can have the code by clicking on the button in
the window you see the movie in. You can have the code only if
you see the movie, of course.

Now go back there and vote 5!

Thanks again,

Gianfranco

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From: Jim Moniz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Smack


 I enjoyed it, even though my stupid 56K modem didn't want me
to...what is
 the vote code they want me to enter?
 Jim


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Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus

2001-08-02 Thread Jostein Øksne


- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Who's going to buy battery hungry, large, auto everything slr that
can shoot 5+ fps in the future? Nobody. People who want these cameras
are going to go digital. Whats left in the 35mm slr field, apart from
the absolute entry level, are going to be the traditionalists and
connoissuers.

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I think you're absolutely right in this. -But are you sure about the
entry level models? I have been under the impression that the vast
majority of digital cameras sold nowadays are pocketsized
point-n-shoots.

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Re: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread ZawadiMedia

In a message dated 8/2/01 8:52:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  A working professional
  could work very nicely with this lens plus the FA80-200 f2.8.  They would
  cover most focal lengths with prime quality.
 
 But only if he/she had a strong back or a mule. I love my 28-70 f2.8 but
 hardly ever use it because it adds so much weight to the bag. I
 generally carry the 28-70 f4 instead. I never seriously considered
 buying the 80-200 f2.8 once I saw how much it weighs. (Probably would
 not have bought it anyway because of the price.)
 
 Bob Harris 

Carried both lenses* for the last four years of my career. 
*But then, I also carried a 20lb machine gun w/250 rounds of ammo for a few 
(10) months.

My point would be that the two lenses plus a PENTAX 1.4 teleconverter covered 
98% of the needs of a working PJ.
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Re: First Kiss

2001-08-02 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Scooterman wrote:

 So do we get to see the pics or not?!!!  g

I suggest 'various stages of undress' as an upcoming PUG theme...the
he'd be obligated to show us! ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus

2001-08-02 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 8/2/01 6:15:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pal writes
 Absolutely not. The MZ-S is not an LX with AF. The director would never 
have said that they wanted to make an LX with AF if it was already made; 
particularly not in an article on Pentax future direction.

pal: As the owner of three LXs, I hope you are right, I just have my doubts.

 Vic 
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Re: K50 F1.4

2001-08-02 Thread Evan Hanson

Vic, If memory serves this lens is a k-mount version of the SMCT 50 1.4.
IMHO a great lens but I don't know about the price.  Given how normal primes
have fallen out of favor about $80 us seems a bit steep, or maybe I'm cheap.

Evan
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: K50 F1.4


 Guys I'm eyeing this lens. Mint condition and going for about $120 cdn.
I've
 read here and there that it is a good lens, but I don't tend to use a 50mm
 that much. If it's a great lens I'll buy it but if it's an average
 performer,I would likely pass. Anyone have opinions on the lens to
share

 Vic
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Re: Re[4]: LX with AF, realy it works !

2001-08-02 Thread Alexander Krohe

--- Nenad Djurdjevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Alexander Krohe wrote:
 
  The LX measures light in two different ways:
  -- For the viewfinder indication, the LX measures
 the
  light that is reflected from a secondary mirror
 onto
  the metering cell (this value is stored in the
 camera
  CPU).
 
 I read that only 15% of the light passes to the
 metering cell when the
 mirror is down which is why the LX metering cannot
 be as accurate in manual
 mode as in auto.  This is probably why Pentax
 decided not to fit AE lock and
 spot meter functions.
 
 Nenad
 

True, its only about 15% of the light. This may be a
bit dark for measuring a 1-2% spot area. 

I was told by a Pentax rep. that they skipped the AE
lock because the the exposure value (used in automatic
mode) is not stored by the camera CPU.  

BTW the light reflected from the film plane is also
only about 15%, so it's the same amount of light that
is measured in auto and manual mode. Yet, the light
meter is *very* accurate in both modes, but may yield
different values because it meters the brightness of
different surfaces in auto and manual ...
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Re: Astia Fuji

2001-08-02 Thread Pentxuser

I've shot a couple of rolls of Astia (actually it was on sale because it 
expired) and I loved it. Has many of the same qualities as Velvia. I bought 
more expired film for my upcoming trip to PEI. It's been in the fridge all 
along so I'm not the least bit worried about it
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Re: Smack

2001-08-02 Thread Robert Harris

Jim Moniz wrote:
 
 I enjoyed it, even though my stupid 56K modem didn't want me to...

Did you have any problem connecting? How did you do it?

I have tried several times, last night and this morning, and it will not
play for me. I click on the place that seems to be the place to play the
thing and absolutely nothing happens. (And as i write this I am
listening to BBC news, so I do not think it is a problem with my Real
Player installation -- but who knows.)

Bob Harris
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Re: 2 B/W shots + film for pro not

2001-08-02 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Paul Jones wrote:
 
 I once saw an article in a photog magazine with shots of seals on a
 windy/sandy beach, it was shot with Astia and the results were spectacular.
 
 Whats it like compared to Provia 100F as all purpose film?

Provia is more neutral, lower in contrast and finer-grained.  Provia
100F is a deadly accurate film in terms of colour...but I also find that
it lacks punch.

Astia is warmer, more saturated, more contrasty, and has a better skin
tone and a much better blue sky.

-Aaron


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Re: K50 F1.4

2001-08-02 Thread admin

It is a *great* lens optically, and what's more, it's mechanical construction
is simply magnificent. Manual focus at its finest.

Brilliant optics. A joy to hold and use. Anyone who has a K-series camera
(K1000, KM, KX, K2) owes it to themselves to get this lens. Mike Johnston
sold one (recently, I think) for about $100.00 US so your Canadian price
seems like a great deal.

-- Original Message --

Guys I'm eyeing this lens. Mint condition and going for about $120 cdn.
I've

read here and there that it is a good lens, but I don't tend to use a 50mm

that much. If it's a great lens I'll buy it but if it's an average 
performer,I would likely pass. Anyone have opinions on the lens to share

Vic 
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RE: 17mm fish-eye advice

2001-08-02 Thread Peter Alling

Lets not get back on the subject of self dating.


At 04:37 PM 7/29/2001 -0700, you wrote:
You are dating yourself there :) Christmas '75 - don't
remember that one, and not because of what I was
drinking (I was on a breastmilk diet at the time).
Just out of curiosity - which camera took the photo,
the ?Leica or the Spotmatic, or perhaps some unseen
camera in the background?

Jody.

--- Paul M. Provencher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://whitemetal.com/black_n_white/self/self_portrait_75_01.htm


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Re: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread Robert Harris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 A working professional
 could work very nicely with this lens plus the FA80-200 f2.8.  They would
 cover most focal lengths with prime quality.

But only if he/she had a strong back or a mule. I love my 28-70 f2.8 but
hardly ever use it because it adds so much weight to the bag. I
generally carry the 28-70 f4 instead. I never seriously considered
buying the 80-200 f2.8 once I saw how much it weighs. (Probably would
not have bought it anyway because of the price.)

Bob Harris
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Re: Problem with Tamron Adaptall mount

2001-08-02 Thread Alin Flaider


   Hi Richard,

   Never had this kind of problem with my Tamron KA Adaptall-2 mount
   but, normally you shouldn't get aperture readings when in aperture
   priority ( with a manual focus lens ). The fact that you do get
   aperture readings when setting the aperture ring anywhere else but
   AE (or 32) makes me suspect the camera still reads the lens as
   being on auto. It looks to me like an adapter mount problem -
   perhaps some of the electric contacts are imperfect.
 
   Servus, Alin

   BTW. My Tamron is solidly attached to the KA Adaptall-2 adapter.

Richard wrote:

RC I just purchased a new Tamron 90mm f/2.8 adaptall macro lens and a adaptall
RC 2 mount for Pentax KA.  The lens and mount work perfectly with an older K
RC mount camera (no electronic contacts) but with my Pentax PZ-1P and ZX-7
RC autofocus cameras which have electrical contacts, it does not function
RC correctly.  The AE/32 aperture setting is equivalent to the A setting in
RC my other Pentax lenses and that works fine on the Tamron.  But when the
RC aperture ring is moved to 2.8 through 22, the camera LCD show incorrect
RC aperture information.  For example, when I set the lens at AE, the correct
RC exposure is 1/125 and f/5.6.  If I move the aperture ring to f/2.8, the
RC camera lcd shows f/4 and 1/1000!  If I move the aperture ring to f/4, the
RC camera lcd shows f/19, 1/1000.  At f/22, the lcd would show f/5.6 and 1/250.
RC I followed the instruction and attached the mount to the lens.  I notice
RC that the connection between the lens and the mount is not completely solid
RC (I mean I am still able to twist the lens slight back and forth with regard
RC to the mount).  Are there any Tamron adaptall users that can give me any
RC suggestions?  I have also sent an email to Tamron for assistance.  Thanks in
RC advance for any advice.


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Re: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread Paul Jones

The FA28-70/4 is pretty cheap and is an excellent performer, is has a
constant aperture too.


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?



 Hi All out there,

 Well yesterday I discovered this mailing list.
 I'm an amateur photographer for 15 years in the Netherlands.

 that you have experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom

 Up till now I used the LX and Pentax prime lenses, favorits are FA24mm F2
and the M100mm macro 4.0,
 when weigth is no problem I also take the K35/2 and K135/2.5 with me
 I Like them for there sturdy build, and am satisfied with the optical
quality.

 Most of the time I can anticipate on the situation and choose the right
(prime)lens
 But, sometimes it takes just too much time to change lenses, autofocus and
a zoom lenses are handy,

 Since I own a nice range of lenses I will stay with Pentax. Else I would
have bought a Nikon F100 + 24~85/F 2.8~4
 or a Canon EOS3 with 28~135 IS

 Well I did bought  the MZ-S but the 24-90 mm did not felt solid at all. It
is said that the optics are quit good.

 My mind is circling around the FA 28 - 70 F2.8 / Tokina 28-70/80 F2.8 or
sigma 24/28-70 F2.8
 or should I be more carefull and opt for the FA24~90 3.5 ~4.5,   FA28~105
4.0~5.6  or Tamron 24~135 3.5~5.6

 The best would be 24 ~ 135 with speed of 1.4 and only 200 grams but thats
not possible

 Is the FA28-70F2.8 optical still the best I can get  or is it
oldfashioned?

 Any advice would be nice.


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Re: Pentax's Amatuer MZ-S and LX Autofocus

2001-08-02 Thread Pål Jensen

Vic wrote:

I certainly agree that the 
 autofocus LX will never be made. 


How can one agree on such things? It will be made or not be made regardless of whether 
you agree or not :-)


It may be fun to speculate about what it 
 should or should not have but it will never be made. 

Theres nothing new it these pesimistic opinions. We heard it all before: when the 43 
Limted was released there could never never never never never be another Limited 
lens.When the 77 Limited was released there would for always be just two Limited 
lenses; never never never never never would there ever ever ever be three or even 
more. It didn't matter at all that the director had uttered in public that the 
customers could have high hopes for the future regarding more Limited lenses. It would 
never never never never happen anyway! A Limited camera would of course never never 
never happen. Such things cannot be!
When the rumors about a metal camera priced close to the F100 started the pessimists 
said such things can never never never never never be! Pentax would never never never 
ever release an slr more expensive than the Z-1p. According to the same people Pentax 
would never never never release a digital slr ever for all eternity. 

An LX with AF makes sense if Pentax have decided to cater the 35mm slr film market in 
the future. Such a decision is probably been made; after all Pentax (and Nikon for 
that matter; look at the FM3a) have a large base of K-mount users; many can be 
cosidered conservative. Whos going to buy battery hungry, large, auto everything slr 
that can shoot 5+ fps in the future? Nobody. People who want these cameras are going 
to go digital. Whats left in the 35mm slr field, apart from the absolute entry level, 
are going to be the traditionalists and connoissuers. The camera thats going to cater 
this shrinking market are going to be suited for this market segment. The strong point 
of film slr over digital is going to be size and battery consumption - look at the 
MZ-S, FM3a and the upcoming LX(II) - all made to survive in a digital future. My guess 
would be that Minolta and Canon wont bother with this segment anymore mostly because 
they lack the customer base Nikon and Pentax enjoy.   


(as an aside: I believe 
 the limited lenses some of us think are for the new LX are really going to be 
 for the digital MZ-S Pentax is working on. They are the closest thing to 
 'retro' Pentax will get. I believe the MZ-S is the LX replacement that the 
 president is talking about. It's how the company has been marketing the 
 camera and to tell you the truth, in many ways, it is an autofocus LX.) 


Absolutely not. The MZ-S is not an LX with AF. The director would never have said that 
they wanted to make an LX with AF if it was already made; particularly not in an 
article on Pentax future direction.
The Limited lenses are designed to achieve legendary status like some of the older 
K-mount lenses; like the 85/1.8 and 30/2.8. They are going to be matched to an 
legendary camera and the only camera that comes to mind is the LX. The Limited lenses 
are made for a body of enduring quality - its no way they are primarily meant for a 
transient digital body. 
In case some people don't know the secretive japanese business culture; theres no way 
a director of camera divison in uttering something along the lines of wanting to make 
an LX with AF in an interview of Pentax future direction unless this camera exist and 
gotten the final go ahead. 


Pål

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Re: User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread Rfsindg

The FA28-70 f2.8 is a big and heavy lens.  It fits nicely on a PZ-1p (Z-1p) 
with a grip.  It may be a bit overpowering for a MZ-S in terms of size and 
weight.  It would be similar to using your FA24 f2.0 on the LX.

The lens is expensive but amazing.  It is sharp and fast plus it focuses to 
close distances.  Others will point out that it is too heavy to power zoom 
much past 35mm, but I am using manual zoom anyway.  A working professional 
could work very nicely with this lens plus the FA80-200 f2.8.  They would 
cover most focal lengths with prime quality.

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The best would be 24 ~ 135 with speed of 1.4 and only 200 grams but thats 
not possible
 
 Is the FA28-70F2.8 optical still the best I can get  or is it oldfashioned? 

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User experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom?

2001-08-02 Thread gert . jan . bollen


Hi All out there,

Well yesterday I discovered this mailing list.
I'm an amateur photographer for 15 years in the Netherlands.

that you have experiance with theSMC F*28 - 70 F2.8AL zoom

Up till now I used the LX and Pentax prime lenses, favorits are FA24mm F2 and the 
M100mm macro 4.0,
when weigth is no problem I also take the K35/2 and K135/2.5 with me
I Like them for there sturdy build, and am satisfied with the optical quality.

Most of the time I can anticipate on the situation and choose the right (prime)lens
But, sometimes it takes just too much time to change lenses, autofocus and a zoom 
lenses are handy,

Since I own a nice range of lenses I will stay with Pentax. Else I would have bought a 
Nikon F100 + 24~85/F 2.8~4
or a Canon EOS3 with 28~135 IS

Well I did bought  the MZ-S but the 24-90 mm did not felt solid at all. It is said 
that the optics are quit good.

My mind is circling around the FA 28 - 70 F2.8 / Tokina 28-70/80 F2.8 or sigma 
24/28-70 F2.8
or should I be more carefull and opt for the FA24~90 3.5 ~4.5,   FA28~105 4.0~5.6  or 
Tamron 24~135 3.5~5.6

The best would be 24 ~ 135 with speed of 1.4 and only 200 grams but thats not possible

Is the FA28-70F2.8 optical still the best I can get  or is it oldfashioned?

Any advice would be nice.


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We all have one of those days...

2001-08-02 Thread David A. Mann

Hi all,

 I've had a rather disappointing evening's shopping.

 The camera shop called me this afternoon telling me that my K2 is back from 
the repair shop (this is only the 4th time its been in).  So I go in this evening 
and the first thing I see is a Pentax 67II on the second hand shelf.  And I 
can't afford it (does anyone want to buy a Mamiya RB67 kit?).  Damn, I've 
been wanting one of these for a long time.

 Then I find out that my camera still isn't properly fixed.  The meter seems 
better than it was but the shutter speeds are still out.  And I'm not sure if I've 
paid the NZ$150 its cost me so far (I think I have; I hope I kept the receipt).

 I'm glad the PUG is up.  Something positive to look at :)  Nice work, guys.

 Now to go look for that receipt... and if anyone wants to buy a Pentax K2 
which is still good enough for print film, let me know :)

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield
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LX for sale

2001-08-02 Thread Jerome


Hi all,

I have to sell one of my LX...so here it goes.

This one is in really excellent condition AND it has been
CLA'd by Pentax France 8 months ago...so you're OK for 
another 10 year of trouble free shooting.
I'll include the french invoice from the FNAC for the CLA.
(around $120 of CLA)

Here are some pictures (warning they are king size)
http://jvila.free.fr/pentax4sale/lx524x1.jpg
http://jvila.free.fr/pentax4sale/lx524x2.jpg
http://jvila.free.fr/pentax4sale/lx524x3.jpg

The finder is the FA-1 in mint condition.
I'll include a Grip-B as this is really a great bonus for handling.
There is no brassing on the MLU button.

I'm asking $550 for the set LX body + Pentax genuine body cap + Grip-B
Email-me off the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you're interested.
I'm located in Paris, France.

Best
Jerome

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