GESO - War No More
This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
On 6/12/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't understand the relevance. As far as I can tell, your reply is a non sequitur. His reply is irrelevant and he will be assimilated -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Darling Harbour
Very nice, Derby. The step in the handrail would be a result of the tripod head's vertical axis not being centred under the nodal point of the lens (front or rear nodal point? I don't know). You might recover the lost width of the handrail from a cropped out part of one of the frames, if there was enough overlap. Just copy the piece from the uncropped frame and paste it on the pan as a new layer. When it's aligned merge it down. If the missing piece isn't there to be recovered, you'll have to bump the edge out by copying a slice of the edge and pasting it across into it's proper place, then do some random cloning in the middle to disguise the join. There's also a funky join where the lightpole intersects the footpath, in front of one of the green roadsigns. The taillight streaks drop out for a short way and you should cut and paste the missing streaks from an original frame if they're there. The lighting quality also changes at that join so you should do a little local dodge and burn to blend the difference. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 6:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Darling Harbour An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
On 12/5/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The killer quote is The notion that more cars equals more wealth is really more myth than reality. and it goes on to say It found that, among cities in the developed world, regional wealth (as measured by per capita gross regional product - or GRP) actually goes down as car use go up. In other words, the more we drive, the poorer we get That's because the people who run car companies don't live in your neighborhood, Bob. Duh. I don't understand the relevance. As far as I can tell, your reply is a non sequitur. I suppose I wasn't clear. It found that, among cities in the developed world The CEO of gigantic car company is going to get richer and richer and probably doesn't give a damn how poor you are, so long as you have enough money to buy another car. And he probably lives in a mansion out in the country. Right. That's what I thought you meant. But it's irrelevant where the money goes, the fact remains that the more we drive, the poorer we get. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
I don't understand the relevance. As far as I can tell, your reply is a non sequitur. His reply is irrelevant and he will be assimilated He will be recycled as a car tyre. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books
Brian Walters escribió: PDML BESO - A Book Every So Often Now that's good. That should be the title. Seriously. That sounds interesting in Spanish, as Beso means Kiss Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
It's hard to know what to say, Marnie. From a formal point of view, I like http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/pages/nowar3.html ...they seem to go on forever. But there is something mute and powerless about these photos that makes it even sadder. D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
Bob, Don't overlook that the Fed paper is considering St Louis, not Chicago. St Louis doesn't have heavy rail. If the light rail shut down, that means 55,000 commuters will turn to the roads, whether in cars or buses. There's nothing else without the MetroLink. While the paper gave the financial offsets for the total number of commuters, it conveniently only counted 7,700 extra vehicles, the 'Priuses for the poor', when considering the physical impact of a MetroLink shutdown. The existing bus and car commuters would be none too pleased if 55,000 extra commuters turned up on the roads all at once. Plus, how politically acceptable would it be to Mr, Mrs, Ms Miss Average Taxpayer to see a bunch of losers (if you can't afford a car you must be a loser, right?)presented with brand new, gassed up and maintained foreign brand cars, bought by their own government with taxpayer dollars? It won't happen. Ever. And who wrote this paper? The St Louis Federal Reserve. Aren't they a little out of their jurisdiction here? Transport and highways have their own state and federal administrations. Isn't the Fed meddling just a little in someone else's business? This papers conclusion, if you care to read between the lines, is a 'straw man argument'. My guess is that their political and private bank bosses ordered this conclusion. The real case, if not the nominal case, was made earlier when they wrote, To permanently alleviate the problems of traffic congestion and pollution, policy-makers must address the root cause of both: the inefficient pricing of roadway usage. Traffic congestion and pollution exist because the costs of driving an automobile are artificially low. Consider the following explanation: A driver's use of the roadway imposes upon him certain costs (such as the costs of fuel, time and depreciation of his automobile); the driver himself bears these costs. The driver also imposes costs on others by contributing to pollution and congestion, but the driver does not incur these costs he imposes on other drivers. (Economists term these costs externalities.) Because each driver does not bear the full cost (driver's own cost + externalities), the costs of driving are artificially low; so, each driver overuses the roadway rather than use alternative means of transportation like light rail. Finally, the argument that people have voted against mass transit by preferring cars ignores the plain fact that most people are selfish sods. It's the government's duty to grow some balls and govern the people in a way that is best for the country, and not pander to the people's softness and greed. After all, if you asked the people if they wanted to pay taxes, the popular choice would be not to pay, but taxes aren't about to be abolished by popular choice. Just because a majority of people want something doesn't make it right. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall Anthony, I don't think the analysis is that faulty, but whatever. In Chicago, public transit works for 100,000-200,000 people who work in the city center (2 square miles) and travel in and out daily. Suburbanites fill heavy rail trains for a 20+ minute ride into the city. The rest of the system is sad expensive. A last resort for those without autos. Short trips with stops every 1/2 mile trying to attract customers. Travel speeds are low and travel times long, and safety is a concern, especially when waiting at transfer points in off hours. It doesn't work for a reason. The folks from the Federal Reserve are just trying to point out the absurdity of it all. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, That quoted argument is so faulty in its conclusion as to be laughable. The 7,700 poor riders (lack of a car being the factor defining the riders' impoverishment)do not necessarily number the entire ridership of the light rail, yet 7,700 is the number of extra vehicles that the author suggests would hit the road if the light rail service ceased. That is clearly wrong. And what of the car owners who choose not to commute by car, because of either the running costs or a lack of desire to drive in peak traffic, among many reasons? Shouldn't they be subsidised for their extra costs, and that figure added to the equation? If not , why not? IOW the St Louis Federal Reserve is attempting to promote a point of view by the use of deception. It's rubbish. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 6:04 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall Scott, Good article from the Federal Reserve
My secret pleasure
I have a confession Once a week, I pop over to Bill Cunningham's slideshow blog (slog?) in the NYT. The excuse is some dynamic street photography, but there is more going on there, clearly. I love looking at boots. http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?query=%22on+the+street%22srchst=m Phew. Got that off my chest. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 2:22:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's hard to know what to say, Marnie. From a formal point of view, I like http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/pages/nowar3.html ...they seem to go on forever. But there is something mute and powerless about these photos that makes it even sadder. D == Thanks for looking Derby. I like that one too. Paradoxically, the sight of the crosses sort of makes me feel proud (best word I can come up with. Not proud that people died, proud that people have protested. Proud someone had the guts to put up those crosses despite all the initial negative reaction -- see story). Why? Because news coverage of the war has been so censored in this country. With the Vietnam War we saw it on the news every night, and that is what helped bring the war to a end (US citizens tend to be gung ho about wars when they start, but when they see the toll, they turn against them). So here is a reminder of war's real cost. A witnessing of the fact, rather than denial and censorship. Over the years, this war (these wars) have made me incredibly sad, but turning toward the truth, rather than away from it, is always good. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
Plus, how politically acceptable would it be to Mr, Mrs, Ms Miss Average Taxpayer to see a bunch of losers (if you can't afford a car you must be a loser, right?) A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure --- Margaret Thatcher Obviously, since most people go to the high mountains to find themselves. Bob (nearly twice that age, finds himself on a bus about once a week) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
I think the dying light lends an appropriate somber atmosphere. I like the BW mood accept for the fact that it would tend to obscure some cross decorations. Great attempt at a scene that's difficult to get a lens around. Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GESO - War No More To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:28 AM This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 4:27:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the dying light lends an appropriate somber atmosphere. I like the BW mood accept for the fact that it would tend to obscure some cross decorations. Great attempt at a scene that's difficult to get a lens around. Jack = Thanks, Jack. It was (difficult -- show up close and personal, show a lot for impact? etc.) I think I need a bluer sky day, a wider angle lens (which I don't have), and to stand across the street. While I like some of what I got, I will probably try again in a few weeks and see if I can get some other perspectives as well. Thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need a bluer sky day, a wider angle lens (which I don't have), and to stand across the street. While I like some of what I got, I will probably try again in a few weeks and see if I can get some other perspectives as well. Googling for images and flanders fields turns up a lot of shots of crosses in real WW I graveyards. Eerie, but they might suggest techniques you could use. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need a bluer sky day, a wider angle lens (which I don't have), and to stand across the street. While I like some of what I got, I will probably try again in a few weeks and see if I can get some other perspectives as well. Googling for images and flanders fields turns up a lot of shots of crosses in real WW I graveyards. Eerie, but they might suggest techniques you could use. I think this one stands out the best, IMO http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/pages/nowar6.html Dave -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Santas in Portugal
Nicely seen and composed. I guess you need +2 ev with an ap of F0.:-) Dave On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Merlin Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to put out my first PESO. And my first photo here is more fun than art. I found Santa dolls on windows, doors and this one - the first one I saw - on chimney. I first thought this Santa was alive as it moved in the wind... URL: http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/index.php?album=2008-11-23+Costa+da+Caparica+and+Trafariaimage=IMGP3676.jpg Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/5comny Pentax K100D Super, Pentacon 135mm f/2.8 M42 ISO 200, f/11, 1/320s (and EXIF on the page) Comments appreciated... Merlin PS: If you want you can see my other photos from Portugal at http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/. Of course comments are more than welcomed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Caught in the Act
Interesting, but my eye keeps getting drawn to the poster on the left. Dave On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:17 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think she was entirely pleased to have me point the camera in her general direction. (for those of you don't do it routinely, make sure you click on the photo to look at the full size version - you really don't get the look on her face otherwise) http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/12/caught-in-act-on-yonge-line.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Caught in the Act
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say that I'm not a great fan of these type of pics, people on trains - but this is excellent. Well done Frankie. How about D200 shots looking out of a truck wind shield.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
Nicely done. I think the third from the left is my favorite, because it best communicates the scope of this scene. You might try shooting it from an even closer camera position with a wider lens. Paul On Dec 6, 2008, at 3:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
Michel, I think it needs more documentation to justify it's 3-5X pricing. That might be a $50 early K1000 with a bit of red paint added. The only odd part is the extra flash synch. The lens should also have a plastic, not screw in lens cap. And the 55mm f1.8 was the better lens introduced with the camera. I've never heard of extra SMC coatings being applied. Some kind of soft shutter release button has been added. The seller is from a location with many older retired people. The camera looks nice, but at a lower price please... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Silly rhymes
Bob W wrote: If doggerel didn't come readily Or scansion appeared much less steadily From out of my head I would not be misled To mispronounce Miss annsan feadily LOL! That's MS to you brother :-) I hope none of this ends up marked Miss???, harumph -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books
From: Scott Loveless On 12/5/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petty. Pretty isn't something I'd associate with this lists membership. :-D We could use a little more pretty. And less clothing. Mutually exclusive goals. I know you're supposed to be able to believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast, but don't be redikulus. With no disrespect to the fairer sex here, this list is composed predominantly of grumpy old men, whose attractiveness will not improve by eschewing clothing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
I think I've seen lenses with the smc in red before, not very many, but not 50mm f2.0's either IIRC. However it's easy enough to produce the same effect using something like this: http://www.krylon.com/products/short_cuts_hobbycraft_paint_pens/ In fact there was an article I read somewhere that gave detailed instructions for renewing the paint in the engraving on lenses and cameras that had become warn or faded. That was some time ago, and the Krylon product is relatively new, but there was a stick material, (maybe it's no longer made), that was recommended. I can;t find a reference to it on the web. Either way it's a relatively easy process. Let's just say I'm sceptical that this camera and lens are particularly collectible, or for that matter unmodified. Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darling Harbour
Derby, Marvelous pano with the 6x7. What did you scan the negatives with? Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books
Not bad Bill. She shows promise... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books We could use a little more pretty. And less clothing. I'm working on it. This isn't my best work, but it's what I've done lately. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/lynds3/index.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
Anthony, I don't know where you live, but around here we throw politicians out when they insist on imposing their will on us. Don't expect any of them to run on a platform of more public transit. Remember what Marnie wrote. To paraphrase, the biggest, newest transit system in the US is a pain in the ass as soon as you have to take a bus to get to the station. You're swimming up stream here! And don't pick on the Federal Reserve analysts. Part of their mission is to illuminate public policy choices. And Bob W., I agree with Margret Thatcher. You've got to stop slumming... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, Don't overlook that the Fed paper is considering St Louis, not Chicago. St Louis doesn't have heavy rail. If the light rail shut down, that means 55,000 commuters will turn to the roads, whether in cars or buses. There's nothing else without the MetroLink. While the paper gave the financial offsets for the total number of commuters, it conveniently only counted 7,700 extra vehicles, the 'Priuses for the poor', when considering the physical impact of a MetroLink shutdown. The existing bus and car commuters would be none too pleased if 55,000 extra commuters turned up on the roads all at once. Plus, how politically acceptable would it be to Mr, Mrs, Ms Miss Average Taxpayer to see a bunch of losers (if you can't afford a car you must be a loser, right?)presented with brand new, gassed up and maintained foreign brand cars, bought by their own government with taxpayer dollars? It won't happen. Ever. And who wrote this paper? The St Louis Federal Reserve. Aren't they a little out of their jurisdiction here? Transport and highways have their own state and federal administrations. Isn't the Fed meddling just a little in someone else's business? This papers conclusion, if you care to read between the lines, is a 'straw man argument'. My guess is that their political and private bank bosses ordered this conclusion. The real case, if not the nominal case, was made earlier when they wrote, To permanently alleviate the problems of traffic congestion and pollution, policy-makers must address the root cause of both: the inefficient pricing of roadway usage. Traffic congestion and pollution exist because the costs of driving an automobile are artificially low. Consider the following explanation: A driver's use of the roadway imposes upon him certain costs (such as the costs of fuel, time and depreciation of his automobile); the driver himself bears these costs. The driver also imposes costs on others by contributing to pollution and congestion, but the driver does not incur these costs he imposes on other drivers. (Economists term these costs externalities.) Because each driver does not bear the full cost (driver's own cost + externalities), the costs of driving are artificially low; so, each driver overuses the roadway rather than use alternative means of transportation like light rail. Finally, the argument that people have voted against mass transit by preferring cars ignores the plain fact that most people are selfish sods. It's the government's duty to grow some balls and govern the people in a way that is best for the country, and not pander to the people's softness and greed. After all, if you asked the people if they wanted to pay taxes, the popular choice would be not to pay, but taxes aren't about to be abolished by popular choice. Just because a majority of people want something doesn't make it right. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall Anthony, I don't think the analysis is that faulty, but whatever. In Chicago, public transit works for 100,000-200,000 people who work in the city center (2 square miles) and travel in and out daily. Suburbanites fill heavy rail trains for a 20+ minute ride into the city. The rest of the system is sad expensive. A last resort for those without autos. Short trips with stops every 1/2 mile trying to attract customers. Travel speeds are low and travel times long, and safety is a concern, especially when waiting at transfer points in off hours. It doesn't work for a reason. The folks from the Federal Reserve are just trying to point out the absurdity of it all. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, That quoted argument is so faulty in its conclusion as to be laughable. The 7,700 poor riders (lack of a car being the factor defining the riders' impoverishment)do not necessarily number the entire ridership of the light rail, yet 7,700 is the number of extra vehicles that the author suggests would hit the road if the light rail service ceased. That is
Re: GESO - War No More
Marnie, I like the 1st because of the mood, black white with the hard panbase of the hill stretched before it. Directly below that, #6 does a good job of conveying the vastness of the field. And the two immediately to the left #7 #8 give an interesting detailed perspective. You should work with those a bit more and see what you get. It's an interesting and difficult thing to photograph. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
Hi Marnie: A very worthy subject to shoot. You're off to a nice start here; I think the wide angle lens suggestion is worth a try. Also, I agree with Paul's choice of pic. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:28 AM Subject: GESO - War No More This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Boris Peso Week 49
Hi! Here are few images for you fresh from the oven today. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/12/paw-2008-week-49.html Be brutal and honest. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Today is Cesar's birthday
Happy birthday, Cesar! (Please, keep the birthday suit photos to yourself.) -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris Peso Week 49
Boris, I like the 1st and 2nd best. The older man blowing soap bubbles, cigarette in hand, with a sign in hebrew behind him - it's all unique. The girls' happiness in the 2nd is contagious. In the 4th picture, what is the significance of the boys in the fake window? A memorial perhaps? Again, the older man is interesting. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Here are few images for you fresh from the oven today. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/12/paw-2008-week-49.html Be brutal and honest. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Today is Cesar's birthday
Yes, Happy birthday if you are still lurking! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy birthday, Cesar! (Please, keep the birthday suit photos to yourself.) -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My secret pleasure
Curse you, now another damned web page I'll have to look at... Derby Chang wrote: I have a confession Once a week, I pop over to Bill Cunningham's slideshow blog (slog?) in the NYT. The excuse is some dynamic street photography, but there is more going on there, clearly. I love looking at boots. http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?query=%22on+the+street%22srchst=m Phew. Got that off my chest. D -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris Peso Week 49
Bob, I couldn't possible tell you about the reason why these two boys were drawn on the wall. But it seemed somehow fitting to have this old man and the two of them on the same frame together. Thanks for your kind words. Boris Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris, I like the 1st and 2nd best. The older man blowing soap bubbles, cigarette in hand, with a sign in hebrew behind him - it's all unique. The girls' happiness in the 2nd is contagious. In the 4th picture, what is the significance of the boys in the fake window? A memorial perhaps? Again, the older man is interesting. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Here are few images for you fresh from the oven today. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/12/paw-2008-week-49.html Be brutal and honest. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 4:59:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need a bluer sky day, a wider angle lens (which I don't have), and to stand across the street. While I like some of what I got, I will probably try again in a few weeks and see if I can get some other perspectives as well. Googling for images and flanders fields turns up a lot of shots of crosses in real WW I graveyards. Eerie, but they might suggest techniques you could use. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China Not a bad idea, thanks, Sandy. Part of the reason, though, they are a bit difficult to shoot, among other reasons, is they are so close together. Not real graves spaced apart, as you can tell from some shots. I debated shooting some crosses individually, but it would be hard to not get others in the shot, for instance. But I like that idea and I will look around. Thanks for looking. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 6:00:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need a bluer sky day, a wider angle lens (which I don't have), and to stand across the street. While I like some of what I got, I will probably try again in a few weeks and see if I can get some other perspectives as well. Googling for images and flanders fields turns up a lot of shots of crosses in real WW I graveyards. Eerie, but they might suggest techniques you could use. I think this one stands out the best, IMO http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/pages/nowar6.html Dave Thanks, Dave. Since I obviously worked on that shot, I wondered if anyone would like it. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 6:42:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicely done. I think the third from the left is my favorite, because it best communicates the scope of this scene. You might try shooting it from an even closer camera position with a wider lens. Paul Trouble is, I don't have a wider lens (a fish eye right now would even be handy). Okay, that's the same one Derby liked because they seem to go on forever. Feedback like this let's me know how to go about it next time around and what is a keeper now. I must admit when I got over there I was a bit overwhelmed. There were more crosses than I remembered, and walking by and among them was different than driving by them. I think it's a worthwhile enough subject to try again, maybe more than once. I was running out of light so had to cut it short, anyway. Thanks for looking. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 8:21:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, I like the 1st because of the mood, black white with the hard panbase of the hill stretched before it. Directly below that, #6 does a good job of conveying the vastness of the field. And the two immediately to the left #7 #8 give an interesting detailed perspective. You should work with those a bit more and see what you get. It's an interesting and difficult thing to photograph. Regards, Bob S. == Thanks for the input, Bob. I thought BW gave it a grittness that was appropriate, rather than a prettiness, which some of them had. So I went both ways, color to show details, and BW. Good to know someone had some of the same reaction I did. Thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 8:24:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Marnie: A very worthy subject to shoot. You're off to a nice start here; I think the wide angle lens suggestion is worth a try. Also, I agree with Paul's choice of pic. Cheers, Christine === Thanks for the input. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
An additional comment after another look, Marnie, For whatever reason, I feel that the bottom of the front row (closest to the camera) should be visible. On that basis, my choices are #8 and #9. Love the mini crosses in #9. They evoke additional emotions..at least for me. Tiny nit: I'd crop a small amount off of the bottom either with the crop tool or when and if matted. Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GESO - War No More To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:28 AM This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 This is visible: * The top of the camera has 3 nice black plastic coverings. * A''Made in Japan''label is on the back of the body. * On top of the camera, there are engravings of PENTAX,''ASAHIK1000 ASAHI OPT. CO.''And the Asahi Co. Emblem. All of these engravings are red. * The camera has an 55mm f2 RED Pentax SMC. But it probably does not: * The camera has a shutter low vibration and highly responsive light meter. * The red SMC engraving is different from the white engraving because the red has more coating layers. Here is not certain: * The camera has an additional double flash X terminal. * He bought this camera at a show organized by Asahi Co. Ltd.. Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris Peso Week 49
Thoroughly enjoyed each Boris. Is #1 bubble blower filling some with smoke? G Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Boris Peso Week 49 To: PAW Project Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 8:37 AM Hi! Here are few images for you fresh from the oven today. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/12/paw-2008-week-49.html Be brutal and honest. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Another from Union Station, St Louis
Rick, there is this movie with Kevin Costner that has to do with printing Al Capone to justice. And there there is a scene that involves shooting in the building of the train station. For some reason I got this scene right in front of my eyes, while looking at your photograph. Boris Rick Womer wrote: These stairs lead up to the Great Hall (previous PESO). It took a while before people came along and paused in just the right position. The red jacket was a bonus. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8317477 K10D, FA 28/2.8, ISO 800, f/2.8 @ 1/10, handheld, RAW via LR2. (That used to be your lens, Godders!) Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Grace Does Thanksgiving
I have to ask you, sir Paul, is there such a thing as Formal portrait if it involves Grace? I can tell you that formal portrait and Galia are completely incompatible chemicals, they never mix together. Boris PN Stenquist wrote: A few pics of Grace from today. All are with the K20D and the 540 flash with the lightsphere. The third one is in wireless flash mode with the flash handheld off to the right of camera a couple of feet. The first is f4.5, 1/45th and 29mm, the second is wide open at f2.8, 1/30th and 33mm, the third is at f3.6, 1/45th and 34mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307671size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307673 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307675 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 3 PESOs: Nephew (or: The Joys of Slave Flash Photography)
John, I should tell you that on my screen the skin of the baby boy looks a bit too yellowish not to be noticed. Boris John Celio wrote: On sunday my family had a little mini Thanksgiving dinner, since some of us would be travelling this weekend. I used the opportunity to take lots of photos of my 6-month old nephew Anthony, who learned to crawl a month ago and is just curious as heck! I also rediscovered the joys of off-camera flash photography and put my AF540FGZ through its paces. http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=865 I don't know about other babies, but this guy is a joy to photograph. He's pretty easy-going and easily distracted. :) http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=857 Fire the flash once and he looks towards it. Fire again and you've got a photo like this. http://www.neovenator.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=859 Anthony's mom, bottom right, knows how to make him smile, and his dad (the blur in the top right, my brother) is just plain goofy. Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Americans! John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 9:21:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An additional comment after another look, Marnie, For whatever reason, I feel that the bottom of the front row (closest to the camera) should be visible. On that basis, my choices are #8 and #9. Love the mini crosses in #9. They evoke additional emotions..at least for me. Tiny nit: I'd crop a small amount off of the bottom either with the crop tool or when and if matted. Jack == Yeah, relooking at them, I am not happy the crosses were cut off. Ditto mini-crosses (I am not totally sure what they symbolize, but I do think there are crosses on the hill for children and/or civilians. Which children I am not sure if that's what they are, but I suspect so. I must admit to a senior moment, I think I heard something once about civilians on the hill, but I don't remember. I suppose I could read the blog.) I think a lot of them could be cropped a tad on relooking, too. Nine is one of my personal favorites (which seems an odd word in this context). Thanks for looking, Jack. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books
I'm surprised she has no tat's. (I spelled that correctly for what I meant!) Bob Sullivan wrote: Not bad Bill. She shows promise... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:56 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books We could use a little more pretty. And less clothing. I'm working on it. This isn't my best work, but it's what I've done lately. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/lynds3/index.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books
On 12/5/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: PDML Annual, was - Blurb books Yeah, and I'll even help put the book together, Scott, in case you're worried that we'll dump the whole project on you ;-) You beat me to it, you bugger. Division of labor is good. We can have one person prep the images, someone else organize the text (quotes, etc.) and someone else to do page layout. Perhaps an image submission web page would be the way to go for acquiring the photos and photographer's information. Scott, you up to it? That shouldn't be a problem. I still need to finish up this month's PUG and get the new submit forms online. Should be done this weekend. After that I'll work on a form the book. In the meantime I'll contact the guy who handles the LUG book and see if he can share his method for prepping the submissions. -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Published (redux)
Brendan, all are very good pictures. I can only say (half jokingly) that if you shoot with DA* 16-50, you might want to consider renaming your web site ;-). Boris Brendan MacRae wrote: I had six more photos published recently in the same magazine as last time, Sierra Heritage. This time the story profiled the good men and women who perform animal rescue services on behalf of the California Dept. of Fish and Game. Not the most stunning photos, but it was a fun experience. The best photos were actually cut from the spread. They were of a couple who rescue fawns and while disappointing, I suppose photo editors have their own agendas. http://www.primelensphoto.com/animal_rescue/index.html All of these photos were shot with the K10D and on camera 540 flash. All were captured with the DA* 16-50, a lens I'm starting to love. Comments encouraged. -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darling Harbour
Very nice image, Derby. Now you make me miss my 67. Damn. Is the garbage (banding) in the sky 1/3 of the way across from the left a result of the scanning, the stitching, or? I really do enjoy the expanse of the view... Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 5, 2008, at 23:14 , Derby Chang wrote: An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Today is Cesar's birthday
Scott Loveless wrote: Happy birthday, Cesar! (Please, keep the birthday suit photos to yourself.) Ditto ann, fellow sagitarian semi-lurking (Cesar is the FIRST PDML'er I met In real life... and I still was up for meeting more!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
War is a horrible business, every death in war is a tragedy. But hell every death is a tragedy. When we think that one country has the ability to simply stop making war, of merely preparing for war, for there to be peace it is best to contemplate this quote from George Orwell; We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. You can disagree that the war in Iraq is necessary, but the people who's idea this was probably think that if we simply stop fighting and give up our arms there will be no more war. The only way that will work is if we force every other Empire. Nation and Tribe to do that, it won't be done voluntarily, it just takes one to cheat. So force is the way. Just look how happy they are that we're trying to bend just one violent nation to our will. How would the feel if we went about subduing the rest. I hate propaganda, and this is vile propaganda. This statement while powerful, essentially, says that each and every one of the men, (and a few women), who died did so meaninglessly. That's a horrible lie. They died for something that they believed in. That's more than 90% of the people in the world will ever do. They died for that belief not because someone forced them to, but because they thought it was important. Most if not all did not plan to die, but they knew it could happen. For that they deserve honor. Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. This is no reflection on your photography Marnie, you captured them well, and I know you're anti-war, so is any sane person. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2008 8:21:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, I like the 1st because of the mood, black white with the hard panbase of the hill stretched before it. Directly below that, #6 does a good job of conveying the vastness of the field. And the two immediately to the left #7 #8 give an interesting detailed perspective. You should work with those a bit more and see what you get. It's an interesting and difficult thing to photograph. Regards, Bob S. == Thanks for the input, Bob. I thought BW gave it a grittness that was appropriate, rather than a prettiness, which some of them had. So I went both ways, color to show details, and BW. Good to know someone had some of the same reaction I did. Thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: Grace Does Thanksgiving
I haven't tried to shoot a formal portrait of Grace. But one of these days I'm going to ask grandma to get her all spiffed up and march her down to my studio. I'm sure it won't be easy! Paul On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I have to ask you, sir Paul, is there such a thing as Formal portrait if it involves Grace? I can tell you that formal portrait and Galia are completely incompatible chemicals, they never mix together. Boris PN Stenquist wrote: A few pics of Grace from today. All are with the K20D and the 540 flash with the lightsphere. The third one is in wireless flash mode with the flash handheld off to the right of camera a couple of feet. The first is f4.5, 1/45th and 29mm, the second is wide open at f2.8, 1/30th and 33mm, the third is at f3.6, 1/45th and 34mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307671size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307673 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8307675 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Silly rhymes
If doggerel didn't come readily Or scansion appeared much less steadily From out of my head I would not be misled To mispronounce Miss annsan feadily LOL! That's MS to you brother :-) I hope none of this ends up marked Miss???, harumph Of course! It's a limerick about MSpronunciation! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Silly rhymes
Bob W wrote: If doggerel didn't come readily Or scansion appeared much less steadily From out of my head I would not be misled To mispronounce Miss annsan feadily LOL! That's MS to you brother :-) I hope none of this ends up marked Miss???, harumph Of course! It's a limerick about MSpronunciation! Bob ohoh - ok I'm skunked :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Silly rhymes
Bob W wrote: If doggerel didn't come readily Or scansion appeared much less steadily From out of my head I would not be misled To mispronounce Miss annsan feadily LOL! That's MS to you brother :-) I hope none of this ends up marked Miss???, harumph Of course! It's a limerick about MSpronunciation! Bob ohoh - ok I'm skunked :-) Phew - got away with it... B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Santas in Portugal
OK, I laughed out loud when I saw that. Bright and simple and funny is good. -Tim On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Merlin Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to put out my first PESO. And my first photo here is more fun than art. I found Santa dolls on windows, doors and this one - the first one I saw - on chimney. I first thought this Santa was alive as it moved in the wind... URL: http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/index.php?album=2008-11-23+Costa+da+Caparica+and+Trafariaimage=IMGP3676.jpg Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/5comny Pentax K100D Super, Pentacon 135mm f/2.8 M42 ISO 200, f/11, 1/320s (and EXIF on the page) Comments appreciated... Merlin PS: If you want you can see my other photos from Portugal at http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/. Of course comments are more than welcomed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
On Dec 6, 2008, at 07:25 , Bob Sullivan wrote: Michel, I think it needs more documentation to justify it's 3-5X pricing. That might be a $50 early K1000 with a bit of red paint added. Probably is, though the red on the camera body is very well done. Very difficult to get all the black paint out and not mar the surface physically or chemically. The only odd part is the extra flash synch. I have several of those . They are a common splitter that was around many years ago. It just plugs in to the normal flash p.c. socket.. The lens should also have a plastic, not screw in lens cap. Pentax would not release a special addition lens with a plain lens cap. That is a filter stack cap (male). And the 55mm f1.8 was the better lens introduced with the camera. I've never heard of extra SMC coatings being applied. And the red paint over the SMC white is poorly done. Not a factory thing. I expected from the description to see the word Red on the lens, and perhaps on the body. Some kind of soft shutter release button has been added. And not a good one. Looks more like a straight slot screw threaded in there. The seller is from a location with many older retired people. The camera looks nice, but at a lower price please... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darling Harbour
Groovy... I'm sure you didn't enhance the colour at all. -T On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:42:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. This is no reflection on your photography Marnie, you captured them well, and I know you're anti-war, so is any sane person. == You and I will always disagree politically, Peter. You might read the article on the blog, over the years, many came to feel the crosses honor the soldiers who died. There is, to me, no incompatibility between honoring, grieving, and wanting war to end. But, like I said, we will always disagree. And this is a very emotional subject, ergo, just the viewing the crosses is emotional. So thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
Sad and very beautiful. Thank you. - misty eyed, T On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
Forgot to comment on those nice black plastic coverings. X-Acto knife, straight edge, and sheet plastic. Why under any circumstances would Pentax apply such things to a perfectly good and well designed prism housing? IF they did, I'd expect the housing to be recessed so the plastic (I think they'd continue the leather look) would be flush, not protruding where it could be easily caught and/or damaged. The value of that camera on the collectable market is and should be less than a mint standard K1000. Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who spent several years on the other side of the camera show counter from the buyers/collectors, head buried in all the used and collectable camera books. On Dec 6, 2008, at 09:26 , Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 This is visible: * The top of the camera has 3 nice black plastic coverings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
At the bar
Had a couple of beers with a friend earlier this afternoon. He has a couple of nice friendly little dogs which he brought along. The bar was full of very young children in for a party upstairs, and they kept coming down to pat the dogs, which the dogs put up with very patiently. When this guy came in, the dogs went apeshit, barking and yapping and straining at the leash. Guy seemed harmless enough, just wanted a quiet Guinness, but he seemed a bit out of place in this type of bar. I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Santas in Portugal
Funny pic, LOL! I love Portugal; had a great time for a month is Cabanas. Norm Merlin Who wrote: It's time to put out my first PESO. And my first photo here is more fun than art. I found Santa dolls on windows, doors and this one - the first one I saw - on chimney. I first thought this Santa was alive as it moved in the wind... URL: http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/index.php?album=2008-11-23+Costa+da+Caparica+and+Trafariaimage=IMGP3676.jpg Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/5comny Pentax K100D Super, Pentacon 135mm f/2.8 M42 ISO 200, f/11, 1/320s (and EXIF on the page) Comments appreciated... Merlin PS: If you want you can see my other photos from Portugal at http://merlinwho.no-ip.org/portugal/. Of course comments are more than welcomed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
Nice stuff. Looks like a damn good camera. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: 06 December 2008 19:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: At the bar
I like the placement of the man against the background. I'm not sure about the soft OOF image, however. Sort of escapes me as to why you chose that style. Shady, indistinct, mysterious character and atmosphere, perhaps? Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: At the bar To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 11:29 AM Had a couple of beers with a friend earlier this afternoon. He has a couple of nice friendly little dogs which he brought along. The bar was full of very young children in for a party upstairs, and they kept coming down to pat the dogs, which the dogs put up with very patiently. When this guy came in, the dogs went apeshit, barking and yapping and straining at the leash. Guy seemed harmless enough, just wanted a quiet Guinness, but he seemed a bit out of place in this type of bar. I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
From: Michel Carr?re-G?e Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 This is visible: * The top of the camera has 3 nice black plastic coverings. * A''Made in Japan''label is on the back of the body. * On top of the camera, there are engravings of PENTAX,''ASAHIK1000 ASAHI OPT. CO.''And the Asahi Co. Emblem. All of these engravings are red. * The camera has an 55mm f2 RED Pentax SMC. But it probably does not: * The camera has a shutter low vibration and highly responsive light meter. * The red SMC engraving is different from the white engraving because the red has more coating layers. Here is not certain: * The camera has an additional double flash X terminal. * He bought this camera at a show organized by Asahi Co. Ltd.. Michel I suspect this is just a gussied up version of the K1000, perhaps one prettied up for the Japanese home market to celebrate some anniversary. Or not. Looking at it the only differences I see from my own K1000 SE are: *Red paint/ink in the K1000 and Asahi logo. That wouldn't be too hard to reproduce ... or it may be original. The K1000 looks pretty worn though. Yet the metal looks extra polished. My K1000 has seen some hard usage, but there's no wear in color filling the letters. And why doesn't the red letter scheme follow through on the front of the penta-prism? Looks like there's NO color fill at all in the ASAHI PENTAX. *Black leatherette instead of reddish-brown. From the original posting, that's what I first thought the Red would refer to. The K1000 SE was available with different colored leatherette, although the only two colors I've ever seen are black and reddish-brown. *Intact JCII label - located where the letters SE are engraved on mine. That is a rarity. They wear off if you actually USE the camera. That JCII looks like it might be engraved instead of a label, which might account for it being so pristine. But again, if it is engraved, why isn't it red lettered as well? *Black paste-on panels on the penta-prism cover. Wallpaper/Contact Paper. *Plastic cap over the X-terminal. There's no additional double X flash terminal visible in the photos - every K1000 I've ever seen has that X-terminal on the front, and all had a plastic cap when they came out of the box. *Mushroom head screw in the cable release socket atop the shutter button. That screw could have been an accessory, or it might just be a screw someone found would fit nicely in there. I think it might be a generic after-market accessory like Stofen Omnibounce for flash. Don't all cable release sockets use a standardized thread? I'd say it's a genuine K1000, but it's not some ultra rare special edition. Although I don't doubt the seller came into possession exactly as described; i.e. he bought it second hand from a friend who told him the story about it being a special model from an Asahi Ltd organized camera show. BUT, I DO HAVE ONE RANT RESULTING FROM THIS! I looked at a lot of K1000s on eBay comparing to this one and mine and one thing struck me. If you're selling a camera on eBay, post photos of the camera that are IN FOCUS for crying out loud! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: At the bar
The hat is what I focused on, and it looks reasonable to me - I _think_ the guy's cheekbone is in the same plane. It was handheld - 1/8th at f/1.4. In fact at the time of shooting I thought I would crop to isolate the hat and the Guinness, but I like the composition as it is. If it's too blurry then I'll give up. I'm no Frank. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 06 December 2008 20:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: At the bar I like the placement of the man against the background. I'm not sure about the soft OOF image, however. Sort of escapes me as to why you chose that style. Shady, indistinct, mysterious character and atmosphere, perhaps? Jack [...] I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
Very nice, Marnie. I've seen that hill many times from BART, but didn't know you could actually get up there. I may go visit it myself one of these days. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: GESO - War No More This is subtitled The Crosses of Lafayette. I am very proud of Lafayette. I grew up there, and it is the next town over. Some years back an ordinary citizen started erecting crosses on private land, to symbolize the fallen US soldiers in Iraq. It's been a lot of work, but they have kept the count up-to-date and accurate. Yes, it started as, and remains, a peace thing. But over the years it has also become a memorial with people adopting crosses for their loved ones, and decorating them. So it now serves two purposes, which aren't really, far apart. (If you want to read more about it there is a link on the gallery index page.) It covers a hill, a lot of a hill, and is directly across from the Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) station, so a lot of people have seen it. It's rather impressive, actually. I went over in the dying light yesterday and took some pictures. I've been meaning to do it for years. http://www.mapphotography.com/WarNoMore/index.html Comments welcome. If you like any one (or several) in particular, I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
Nice shots, nice story Tim... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:12 , John Sessoms wrote: *Intact JCII label - located where the letters SE are engraved on mine. That is a rarity. They wear off if you actually USE the camera. That JCII looks like it might be engraved instead of a label, which might account for it being so pristine. But again, if it is engraved, why isn't it red lettered as well? On one of the views of the front of the camera, you can see the JCII label reflects as gold, as they were originally. I think it is a label, not engraved. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:42:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. BEING an Iraq War Veteran, it doesn't annoy me at all. Nor does it annoy any of the veterans I know, even the ones who do still believe we are accomplishing something in Iraq. War is bad, but unfortunately sometimes necessary. But it does not honor the soldier to send him or her to war on false pretense. Particularly a war for PROFIT espoused by those who never have, nor ever will, sacrifice anything themselves in pursuit of that war. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
Makes me hungry for a Sabrett with kraut and mustard. When I was an impoverished New York journalist, I lived on street food. Paul On Dec 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Tim Bray wrote: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
If you're selling a camera on eBay, post photos of the camera that are IN FOCUS for crying out loud! What, and lose their amateur standing? John Sessoms wrote: From: Michel Carr?re-G?e Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 This is visible: * The top of the camera has 3 nice black plastic coverings. * A''Made in Japan''label is on the back of the body. * On top of the camera, there are engravings of PENTAX,''ASAHIK1000 ASAHI OPT. CO.''And the Asahi Co. Emblem. All of these engravings are red. * The camera has an 55mm f2 RED Pentax SMC. But it probably does not: * The camera has a shutter low vibration and highly responsive light meter. * The red SMC engraving is different from the white engraving because the red has more coating layers. Here is not certain: * The camera has an additional double flash X terminal. * He bought this camera at a show organized by Asahi Co. Ltd.. Michel I suspect this is just a gussied up version of the K1000, perhaps one prettied up for the Japanese home market to celebrate some anniversary. Or not. Looking at it the only differences I see from my own K1000 SE are: *Red paint/ink in the K1000 and Asahi logo. That wouldn't be too hard to reproduce ... or it may be original. The K1000 looks pretty worn though. Yet the metal looks extra polished. My K1000 has seen some hard usage, but there's no wear in color filling the letters. And why doesn't the red letter scheme follow through on the front of the penta-prism? Looks like there's NO color fill at all in the ASAHI PENTAX. *Black leatherette instead of reddish-brown. From the original posting, that's what I first thought the Red would refer to. The K1000 SE was available with different colored leatherette, although the only two colors I've ever seen are black and reddish-brown. *Intact JCII label - located where the letters SE are engraved on mine. That is a rarity. They wear off if you actually USE the camera. That JCII looks like it might be engraved instead of a label, which might account for it being so pristine. But again, if it is engraved, why isn't it red lettered as well? *Black paste-on panels on the penta-prism cover. Wallpaper/Contact Paper. *Plastic cap over the X-terminal. There's no additional double X flash terminal visible in the photos - every K1000 I've ever seen has that X-terminal on the front, and all had a plastic cap when they came out of the box. *Mushroom head screw in the cable release socket atop the shutter button. That screw could have been an accessory, or it might just be a screw someone found would fit nicely in there. I think it might be a generic after-market accessory like Stofen Omnibounce for flash. Don't all cable release sockets use a standardized thread? I'd say it's a genuine K1000, but it's not some ultra rare special edition. Although I don't doubt the seller came into possession exactly as described; i.e. he bought it second hand from a friend who told him the story about it being a special model from an Asahi Ltd organized camera show. BUT, I DO HAVE ONE RANT RESULTING FROM THIS! I looked at a lot of K1000s on eBay comparing to this one and mine and one thing struck me. If you're selling a camera on eBay, post photos of the camera that are IN FOCUS for crying out loud! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My secret pleasure
I love looking at boots. Ah, a foot fetish have we My interests remain a little bit higher. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My secret pleasure I have a confession Once a week, I pop over to Bill Cunningham's slideshow blog (slog?) in the NYT. The excuse is some dynamic street photography, but there is more going on there, clearly. I love looking at boots. http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?query=%22on+the+street%22srchst=m Phew. Got that off my chest. D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
John Sessoms wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:42:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. BEING an Iraq War Veteran, it doesn't annoy me at all. Nor does it annoy any of the veterans I know, even the ones who do still believe we are accomplishing something in Iraq. War is bad, but unfortunately sometimes necessary. But it does not honor the soldier to send him or her to war on false pretense. Particularly a war for PROFIT espoused by those who never have, nor ever will, sacrifice anything themselves in pursuit of that war. Well, I'm glad you're not annoyed, and I guess you know different veterans than I do. I'm also sorry you think you were sent under false pretenses, I can't change that. In every war there are those who profit and those who think they will, who are perfectly willing to let others take the burden. No human endeavor ever completely free of that. At least you had the choice to volunteer or not. I'm old enough that I wouldn't have had that choice, and that would have been to fight in a war that the political powers decided we shouldn't win, pretty much from it's inception. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
I don't know where you live, but around here we throw politicians out when they insist on imposing their will on us. I wish that were so Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall Anthony, I don't know where you live, but around here we throw politicians out when they insist on imposing their will on us. Don't expect any of them to run on a platform of more public transit. Remember what Marnie wrote. To paraphrase, the biggest, newest transit system in the US is a pain in the ass as soon as you have to take a bus to get to the station. You're swimming up stream here! And don't pick on the Federal Reserve analysts. Part of their mission is to illuminate public policy choices. And Bob W., I agree with Margret Thatcher. You've got to stop slumming... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, Don't overlook that the Fed paper is considering St Louis, not Chicago. St Louis doesn't have heavy rail. If the light rail shut down, that means 55,000 commuters will turn to the roads, whether in cars or buses. There's nothing else without the MetroLink. While the paper gave the financial offsets for the total number of commuters, it conveniently only counted 7,700 extra vehicles, the 'Priuses for the poor', when considering the physical impact of a MetroLink shutdown. The existing bus and car commuters would be none too pleased if 55,000 extra commuters turned up on the roads all at once. Plus, how politically acceptable would it be to Mr, Mrs, Ms Miss Average Taxpayer to see a bunch of losers (if you can't afford a car you must be a loser, right?)presented with brand new, gassed up and maintained foreign brand cars, bought by their own government with taxpayer dollars? It won't happen. Ever. And who wrote this paper? The St Louis Federal Reserve. Aren't they a little out of their jurisdiction here? Transport and highways have their own state and federal administrations. Isn't the Fed meddling just a little in someone else's business? This papers conclusion, if you care to read between the lines, is a 'straw man argument'. My guess is that their political and private bank bosses ordered this conclusion. The real case, if not the nominal case, was made earlier when they wrote, To permanently alleviate the problems of traffic congestion and pollution, policy-makers must address the root cause of both: the inefficient pricing of roadway usage. Traffic congestion and pollution exist because the costs of driving an automobile are artificially low. Consider the following explanation: A driver's use of the roadway imposes upon him certain costs (such as the costs of fuel, time and depreciation of his automobile); the driver himself bears these costs. The driver also imposes costs on others by contributing to pollution and congestion, but the driver does not incur these costs he imposes on other drivers. (Economists term these costs externalities.) Because each driver does not bear the full cost (driver's own cost + externalities), the costs of driving are artificially low; so, each driver overuses the roadway rather than use alternative means of transportation like light rail. Finally, the argument that people have voted against mass transit by preferring cars ignores the plain fact that most people are selfish sods. It's the government's duty to grow some balls and govern the people in a way that is best for the country, and not pander to the people's softness and greed. After all, if you asked the people if they wanted to pay taxes, the popular choice would be not to pay, but taxes aren't about to be abolished by popular choice. Just because a majority of people want something doesn't make it right. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall Anthony, I don't think the analysis is that faulty, but whatever. In Chicago, public transit works for 100,000-200,000 people who work in the city center (2 square miles) and travel in and out daily. Suburbanites fill heavy rail trains for a 20+ minute ride into the city. The rest of the system is sad expensive. A last resort for those without autos. Short trips with stops every 1/2 mile trying to attract customers. Travel speeds are low and travel times long, and safety is a concern, especially when waiting at transfer points in off hours. It doesn't work for a reason. The folks from the Federal Reserve are just trying to point out the absurdity of it all. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, That quoted argument is so faulty in its conclusion as to be laughable. The 7,700 poor
RE: At the bar
I think blurry is a bit drastic. The soft appears to be largely the edge glow from the extreme contrast along with a shallow DOF. I believe the hat and Guinness crop would have, also, worked. Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: At the bar To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:20 PM The hat is what I focused on, and it looks reasonable to me - I _think_ the guy's cheekbone is in the same plane. It was handheld - 1/8th at f/1.4. In fact at the time of shooting I thought I would crop to isolate the hat and the Guinness, but I like the composition as it is. If it's too blurry then I'll give up. I'm no Frank. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 06 December 2008 20:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: At the bar I like the placement of the man against the background. I'm not sure about the soft OOF image, however. Sort of escapes me as to why you chose that style. Shady, indistinct, mysterious character and atmosphere, perhaps? Jack [...] I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
There's something extra special about food purchased from a street vendor ! Thanks for the memory. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: At the bar
Never really noticed the hat until you pointed it out. Interesting capture of the bottles, but the rest of this image leaves me cold - hey you asked! A lot of dogs were disturbed by me in years past when I kept a thicker beard. My staring at them didn't help. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: At the bar The hat is what I focused on, and it looks reasonable to me - I _think_ the guy's cheekbone is in the same plane. It was handheld - 1/8th at f/1.4. In fact at the time of shooting I thought I would crop to isolate the hat and the Guinness, but I like the composition as it is. If it's too blurry then I'll give up. I'm no Frank. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 06 December 2008 20:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: At the bar I like the placement of the man against the background. I'm not sure about the soft OOF image, however. Sort of escapes me as to why you chose that style. Shady, indistinct, mysterious character and atmosphere, perhaps? Jack [...] I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: At the bar
Ah - I understand now. I didn't have much choice about it under the circumstances. Thanks for your comments - very helpful and interesting. Bob I think blurry is a bit drastic. The soft appears to be largely the edge glow from the extreme contrast along with a shallow DOF. I believe the hat and Guinness crop would have, also, worked. Jack --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: At the bar To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:20 PM The hat is what I focused on, and it looks reasonable to me - I _think_ the guy's cheekbone is in the same plane. It was handheld - 1/8th at f/1.4. In fact at the time of shooting I thought I would crop to isolate the hat and the Guinness, but I like the composition as it is. If it's too blurry then I'll give up. I'm no Frank. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 06 December 2008 20:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: At the bar I like the placement of the man against the background. I'm not sure about the soft OOF image, however. Sort of escapes me as to why you chose that style. Shady, indistinct, mysterious character and atmosphere, perhaps? Jack [...] I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: At the bar
From the rear, and with that hat and Guinness, he has a passable resemblance to Van Morrison (maybe the dogs don't like old rockers) I like it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:29:36 -, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Had a couple of beers with a friend earlier this afternoon. He has a couple of nice friendly little dogs which he brought along. The bar was full of very young children in for a party upstairs, and they kept coming down to pat the dogs, which the dogs put up with very patiently. When this guy came in, the dogs went apeshit, barking and yapping and straining at the leash. Guy seemed harmless enough, just wanted a quiet Guinness, but he seemed a bit out of place in this type of bar. I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food
Yes - botulism. There's something extra special about food purchased from a street vendor ! Thanks for the memory. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Rainy Manhattan food http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/-big/R0010907.jpg For a buncha other Manhattan-cliché shots, http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/12/05/Fuzzy-New-York I was traveling light, so these are the little Ricoh GX100. It's a honey, but damn, I wished I'd had the K20 along approximately every 15 minutes. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Union Station Grand Hall
http://www.web-options.com/L1030007.jpg I don't know where you live, but around here we throw politicians out when they insist on imposing their will on us. I wish that were so -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:12:30 -0500 John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're selling a camera on eBay, post photos of the camera that are IN FOCUS for crying out loud! thats what happens when you try to sell pentax with canon pictures -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: At the bar
That is a way way cool pic. Thanks -T On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a couple of beers with a friend earlier this afternoon. He has a couple of nice friendly little dogs which he brought along. The bar was full of very young children in for a party upstairs, and they kept coming down to pat the dogs, which the dogs put up with very patiently. When this guy came in, the dogs went apeshit, barking and yapping and straining at the leash. Guy seemed harmless enough, just wanted a quiet Guinness, but he seemed a bit out of place in this type of bar. I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
Unless there's some documentation that proves that this is a real Pentax special edition it isn't worth any more than any other K1000. Even if it *is* a special made for a trade show or other event. Without documented evidence of provenance it's nothing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:27 , John Sessoms wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:42:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. BEING an Iraq War Veteran, it doesn't annoy me at all. Nor does it annoy any of the veterans I know, even the ones who do still believe we are accomplishing something in Iraq. War is bad, but unfortunately sometimes necessary. But it does not honor the soldier to send him or her to war on false pretense. Particularly a war for PROFIT espoused by those who never have, nor ever will, sacrifice anything themselves in pursuit of that war. As I would have said were I so eloquent. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian Vietnam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX RED K1000! RARE LIMITED EDITION
From Michel: Seen on Ebay, this Pentax K1000: red markings on body and lens. A fake or a commemorative series? # 160303122400 From the listing: The red SMC engraving is different from the white engraving because the red has more of these coating layers. Because of the technical difficulty of applying many of these coating layers, these ''Red'' lenses were only produced for a short period of time. Errr... as I understand it, the 55 F2 was a cheaper version of the 55 F1.8. Same optically, but restricted to F2 so it could be sold at a lower price. So this fellow is claiming that Pentax applied this special treatment to a bargain-basement lens? Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
In a message dated 12/6/2008 12:23:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very nice, Marnie. I've seen that hill many times from BART, but didn't know you could actually get up there. I may go visit it myself one of these days. John = Yes, actually, they are quite easy to get to. Although parking near them is a huge problem. Good luck. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darling Harbour
In a message dated 12/5/2008 11:15:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D = Wow, that's one incredible shot. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: At the bar
In a message dated 12/6/2008 11:30:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Had a couple of beers with a friend earlier this afternoon. He has a couple of nice friendly little dogs which he brought along. The bar was full of very young children in for a party upstairs, and they kept coming down to pat the dogs, which the dogs put up with very patiently. When this guy came in, the dogs went apeshit, barking and yapping and straining at the leash. Guy seemed harmless enough, just wanted a quiet Guinness, but he seemed a bit out of place in this type of bar. I'd welcome opinions about the photo: http://www.web-options.com/L1030041.jpg Bob I like it. The background, makes it, of course. There's something about it that says, in from the cold, at a nice warm bar. Well, it seems to anyway. Marnie aka doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - War No More
From: P. J. Alling John Sessoms wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:42:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, they also died so that you and I could live to a ripe old age and die a relatively meaningless death in bed. For this they deserve our deepest gratitude. These memorials simply annoy the Iraq war veterans that I know, and I do know a few. BEING an Iraq War Veteran, it doesn't annoy me at all. Nor does it annoy any of the veterans I know, even the ones who do still believe we are accomplishing something in Iraq. War is bad, but unfortunately sometimes necessary. But it does not honor the soldier to send him or her to war on false pretense. Particularly a war for PROFIT espoused by those who never have, nor ever will, sacrifice anything themselves in pursuit of that war. Well, I'm glad you're not annoyed, and I guess you know different veterans than I do. I'm also sorry you think you were sent under false pretenses, I can't change that. In every war there are those who profit and those who think they will, who are perfectly willing to let others take the burden. No human endeavor ever completely free of that. At least you had the choice to volunteer or not. I'm old enough that I wouldn't have had that choice, and that would have been to fight in a war that the political powers decided we shouldn't win, pretty much from it's inception. Oh, I'm old enough. Still got my draft card. It's a little frayed after 40 years, but I still carry it. And even in 1968 the military was a mostly volunteer force. A minority didn't get a choice, but everyone else did ... and most chose not to serve. They had other priorities. The Army in Vietnam was about 25% draftees ... the other 75% were volunteers. The USMC was 6.5% draftees; 19,500 draftees out of 300,000 total authorized strength - 85,000 of whom served in Vietnam. If you were a Marine Corps draftee, you had a higher percentage chance of serving in Vietnam, because they only drafted riflemen. Approximately 1.6% of the U.S. population served in Vietnam in all branches of service; 3.5% of adult males - women didn't get drafted, but don't let anyone tell you women didn't serve in combat in Vietnam. They didn't get to carry guns, but they were there. Now, under the current All Volunteer force, approximately 0.1% of the U.S. population serves in the military. Of that, less than 1/3 will actually serve in Iraq or Afghanistan. But that 0.033% of the population will be asked to return there again and again and again. And I don't THINK I was sent there under false pretenses; I know I was, because I was there and saw it all. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A few photos
Here is a small page of photos, some from Lyons last weekend, and some from yesterday. Nothing world-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them. http://www.web-options.com/Dec7/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Darling Harbour
Thanks Anthony, Did a bit of a fix, but I think I could spend a lot more time tweaking. If in the right mood, this is quite a pleasant pastime. Bob, the scanner is the venerable Epson 3200 Photo. Works reasonably well for MF. Joseph, I suspect the garbage is the negative (uneven developing, washing?). It comes up in the raw scan and not on every frame. Thanks for the comments. D Anthony Farr wrote: Very nice, Derby. The step in the handrail would be a result of the tripod head's vertical axis not being centred under the nodal point of the lens (front or rear nodal point? I don't know). You might recover the lost width of the handrail from a cropped out part of one of the frames, if there was enough overlap. Just copy the piece from the uncropped frame and paste it on the pan as a new layer. When it's aligned merge it down. If the missing piece isn't there to be recovered, you'll have to bump the edge out by copying a slice of the edge and pasting it across into it's proper place, then do some random cloning in the middle to disguise the join. There's also a funky join where the lightpole intersects the footpath, in front of one of the green roadsigns. The taillight streaks drop out for a short way and you should cut and paste the missing streaks from an original frame if they're there. The lighting quality also changes at that join so you should do a little local dodge and burn to blend the difference. Regards, Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 6:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Darling Harbour An on-topic PESO from me for a change. Haven't donned the Brotherhood cloak for a while. A cold change had just come through and it was pretty durned blustery, but luckily, the 6x7 sways not in the wind. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_darlingharbour/01.htm Suggestions on how to fix that kinky railing would be most welcome. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A few photos
Bob, I like the sharp ones better. :-) The chocolatier shop and the oyster bar are very nice, colorful and interesting. London from the Waterloo bridge and the shot from the Tate - is that Centenial Bridge? All very nice. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a small page of photos, some from Lyons last weekend, and some from yesterday. Nothing world-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them. http://www.web-options.com/Dec7/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A few photos
Bob, I really like all of these. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A few photos To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 8:01 PM Here is a small page of photos, some from Lyons last weekend, and some from yesterday. Nothing world-shattering, but I hope you enjoy them. http://www.web-options.com/Dec7/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Today is Cesar's birthday
From me, too. Don't forget to get up and open the gate. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Today is Cesar's birthday To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 11:48 AM Happy birthday, Cesar! (Please, keep the birthday suit photos to yourself.) -- Scott Loveless New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
