Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day.
Well, the photo is inverted as far as the land is concerned (the camera is looking behind itself at the ISS) so it doesn't seem familiar to me. But it is barren, winter or high altitude close to a coastline and an island or peninsula. What's the verdict? On Oct 5, 2009, at 17:38 , Graydon wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:55:43PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0910/iss_sts128_big.jpg Hi, Fred! :) Anyone recognize that rather desolate chunk of coastline down below? -- Graydon Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Using netbook as a photo-storage
Thanks for the report, Igor! On a similar line, I have tried for a while to sell my Jobo GIGAvu Pro Evolution (40 Gb), but got no offers. So I ended up playing with it instead. I replaced the disk with a 320 Gb equivalent, and it works like a breeze. A 320 Gb disk sold in bulk doesn't cost much these days, and the unit can already display DNG files. Maybe something to think of for other Jobo owners, while IDE disks are still available new :-). Jostein 2009/10/5 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org: Hi All, A netbook that costs ~$300-$400 and typically has a 160 GB HDD and an SD (and it looks like they are HCSD, at least the one in Toshiba Mini) - can be used as a photo-storage device. A while ago, I was throughing in this idea, and somebody suggested that I should test it. Well, now I am back with the report. This has been tested with a vanila Toshiba Mini, WinXP Home, 1GB RAM, stock 5400 rpm 160 HDD, and the latest LR. I first copied RAW files (DNG) from the card to the HDD, and then exported them into the LR. This worked just fine, as long as I didn't ask to have the full-size previews. Creating full-size previews was _painfully_ slow, so I had to interrupt it and disable it for the future. Clicking on the image to see a full-screen preview results in some ~1-3 second delay. Also, - the LR panels are not well suited for using with a typical netbook 1024x600 display (the height is the biggest problem), - so the solution was to minimize the preview panel at the top left, - otherwise I couldn't get to the folders because LR doesn't scroll the panels. (That's something for Adobe to think about.) Overall, - a typical $300-$400 netbook is a suitable solution for storing, checking and even selectively posting some screenshots - but do not expect to do any heaving processing. I haven't tried generating web-galleries, - I'd assume that would take some considerable time because just exporting screen-size (600x800) JPEGs (from full size 12MP JPEGs) was taking considerable time (if I very roughly estimated, - no more than ~5-7 images per minute). The only thing that such a PSD doesn't do, compared, say to my HyperDrive, - it doesn't check correctness of copying the files. Over the past ~8-9 years of using digital cameras, I only encountered some file-related errors once or twice. so it may not be as important. But definitely, having a peace of mind is better than to have a pissed-off mind later. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pef vs dng
On my Mac, PEF files are one single file (unless there are invisible files stored somewhere) and DNG files are stored as two files, one being a Data file (dark grey rectangle icon with DATA written across it). On Oct 5, 2009, at 09:16 , Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: So I simply won't recommend using a larger file format without a good reason, just because we've got the power to manage that. Compressed DNG *isn't* a larger file format than PEF. In theory or practice. Ther *are* good reasons for using DNG for archiving, like unification of the raw file and the XMP data. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com I couldn't remember most of what I know today if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge of my past on the Internet. Thank you… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7, shadow compensation and raw file conversion
2009/10/5 John Francis jo...@panix.com: I'm pretty sure I saw differences in the histograms on the chimping screen. Don't forget those histograms are built from the preview JPEG, not RAW data. Bingo! Thanks John. Didn't think of that... However I still suspect some processing instructions embedded in the MakerNotes, since the Pentax software comes up with a different default interpretation of the raw file than do ACR/LR. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: MI5
Bob W wrote: There are some photos here from a new officially-sanctioned book about the history of MI5, but take a look at photo number 5, which purports to show a night-training exercise. Have you ever seen such an obvious fake? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8290504.stm It's laughable! Bob no George Smiley? Sorry... ;o) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The BS of Digital Photography
I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will meet my present needs, though I'm pretty sure it's far too noisy for any astrophotography. It has started me thinking though about the tradeoffs between film and digital. WIth film (E6 or positives specifically): One had to wait for the results. What you saw is what you got. Notwithstanding the development process, the largest variables in the result was the metering accuracy of the camera body (MX or Pz-1P, both overall excellent), the attributes of the film that was selected, and the judgement of the photographer. When I scanned a transparency, I pretty much considered that it was, as recorded, based upon my decisions at exposure time. It was a 1st generation image. With digital (shooting RAW): I see the 'results' (almost immediately). I'm unsure what processing has occurred in camera. I'm unsure how the sensor has responded to the scene and how the software in the camera has adjusted the image. I can guess, but I'm not sure. I'm unsure if the image shown on the playback screen is an accurate representation of the scene or if it will match what I see on the computer screen. I'm unsure if Photoshop or ACR, or whatever software used, is displaying an accurate representation of the recorded image. Screen calibration is an issue unto itself. Maybe there was just as many variables with E6 and they were taken for granted at the time, because we didn't (or I didn't) have the knowledge 6 - 10 years ago to know the difference. Certainly all the post-capture and transposition to digital issues existed. Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Maybe my RAW image is the equivalent of my transparency, but it just does not feel the same. It seemed that I could look at a transparency and say Wow, that looks exactly like what I saw or Wow, I messed that one up. With digital I feel much more insecure. Was it me, the camera, the software, the hardware? It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: keywords in LightRoom
2009/10/5 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: That tree is really an acyclic directed graph, I'm sorry, I think we belong to different tribes... :-) and because of the one-and-only-one-path property of those graphs (there is only one way to get to any node in the graph from the root of the tree), if you move leaves like that, you're defining a different node, because it has different ancestry. Ah! You belong to the Object-Orientation tribe, don't you? :-) Sorry, just teasing. Don't put too much into the allegory. I don't think fancy explanations for why it doesn't work is actually necessary. The most important thing is to know why things work the way they do. By what I do for a living, I have to deal with dynamic controlled vocabularies. The dynamic thing is what set my thoughts spinning re: LR too. At work we define a plethora of business rules to deal with it, in terms of Change Control Procedures, latency times and so on. We also have ways to encode the status of different values in the hierarchy, like temporary and deprecated. At the end of the day, you need rather complex XML for exchange formats, and rather complex applications/databases to keep track of it all. Far beyond the current scope of the keywording in LR. What could amend quite a lot of the issues for my own part, though, is an option to mark certain keywords as deprecated. Meaning that they are still searchable and show up in the hierarchy with statistics, but are not possible to assign to new photos. Jostein It's not working by keyword comparison. (Or you could only ever have one use of vacation or work in your keyword hierarchy...) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? You're not obliged to do any post-processing - that's why cameras have jpeg options: set forget, just as you might have chosen a particular type of film. In the film days I normally shot Kodachrome, largely because I had no interest in post-processing other types of film. I didn't have the skills and didn't understand the variables in the way that someone like Bill Robb did, for example. However, I do have a good grasp of the variables of digital processing, and with the right tools I find it very easy to get a result that I'm happy with using a mechanical workflow which doesn't rely on my defective colour vision. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Depends on the outcome you're after, but that's not my experience. With prints, for example, I can get a far higher quality that satisfies me much more quickly than I ever could by getting even a really good printer to print from Kodachrome. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Oct 6, 2009, at 00:07 , Tom C wrote: It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? Tom C. Yes, it does. However, I can have prints made of the few good ones from a 100 image shoot that same day, looking as I want them to look, even if they were two stops underexposed. I also find that images that look great in chimp, even with good histograms, have highlights that can't be corrected. A limitation of the dynamic range of the camera, I suppose. Another way of expressing that is if you expose for the shadows, the highlight will be too bright. So I expose for the highlights, and fix the shadows in post. Much more data to work with down there. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO - Aikido belt tests
After a bit of a hiatus, I returned to the dojo tonight. It turns out that there were belt tests tonight. I asked the sensei and he said that I should indeed get photos. I shot the first set with the 31/1.8 and it was a bit wider than optimal. Fortunately I haven't sent the 50/1.4 in for repair yet, because it ended up being just about right. This set is of Rebecca. It turns out that I studied aikido with her father about 25 years ago. As of tonight, she is now the same belt I am (sankyu). I'm afraid there have been quite a few multi-year hiatuses in my training. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622402237617/ The collection of all the sets is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157622401949377/ Despite a bit of blurriness, this is probably the best shot of the evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3985871455/sizes/l/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Shadows of the Past
One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
Mark and Doug, I think you're both right. It's great to have one's photos evaluated by others sometimes. The problem is always that you don't know who the others are. At PPG, the taste of the voting flock is bound to drift depending on who's doing it at the time. There are some who do regular voting exercises, but I suspect most are either voting only when their own images are up for evaluation, or when a complaint about long acceptance times surface in the larger online forums like DPreview and PentaxForums. Jostein 2009/10/6 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Mark Roberts wrote: I find it very helpful to my growth as a photographer to shoot photos with the goal of meeting *someone else's* idea of a good shot, rather than my own, occasionally. I can't agree with that, since you can't know up front what qualities of a photo will help or hurt its chances of acceptance to the PPG. You don't and can't know what they will consider a good or bad shot, other than by reviewing what has been accepted in the past. And that's iffy at best, since the jury for each photo is different. Plus, the last time I wandered around in the PPG, a year or so ago, I mostly felt like I was wandering about in a hall of mirrors, the photos fell into so few genres. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Halloween comes early
In a message dated 10/4/2009 10:33:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsi...@gmail.com writes: My neighbor seems to be getting into the Spirit of the season early. http://georges.posterous.com/halloween-starts-early gs = Wow, they really go all out. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
Two quick points: Cost. Pure and simple the cost of film purchase and development makes digital capture right for 90%+ of my photography. E6 - I've always seen this as a different animal. Whilst it is available, it is an 'as well as'. I've always had issues with film or digital for certain uses and this is my simple way of resolving it. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
Certainly! Whenever I attempt to venture back to film, I can't seem to seriously do it (regardless of how much I enjoy the smell of a freshly open film canster). Cost of film and developing seem like an afterthought almost, because it didn't really bother me then (I also think what is my own time worth?) I'm not suggesting I would return to film... extremely hard to do... I'm just wondering because it seems I do a lot more work with digital. Maybe in the same vein as computers. Back when we didn't have PC's (I had Atari's and Commodore's and before/during that worked in the mainframe world), a Technical Services department would solve all the stupid issues and I would only worry about my own application programs. Now I must be tech services, data base admin, etc., + photographer... blah, blah, blah... :-) Tom C. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com wrote: Two quick points: Cost. Pure and simple the cost of film purchase and development makes digital capture right for 90%+ of my photography. E6 - I've always seen this as a different animal. Whilst it is available, it is an 'as well as'. I've always had issues with film or digital for certain uses and this is my simple way of resolving it. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Using netbook as a photo-storage
My photo shop next door is selling off their Jobo stock at 50%+ discounts. I have no idea if that is cheap relative to the bay etc. but just FYI Cheers Ecke 2009/10/6 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: Thanks for the report, Igor! On a similar line, I have tried for a while to sell my Jobo GIGAvu Pro Evolution (40 Gb), but got no offers. So I ended up playing with it instead. I replaced the disk with a 320 Gb equivalent, and it works like a breeze. A 320 Gb disk sold in bulk doesn't cost much these days, and the unit can already display DNG files. Maybe something to think of for other Jobo owners, while IDE disks are still available new :-). Jostein 2009/10/5 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org: Hi All, A netbook that costs ~$300-$400 and typically has a 160 GB HDD and an SD (and it looks like they are HCSD, at least the one in Toshiba Mini) - can be used as a photo-storage device. A while ago, I was throughing in this idea, and somebody suggested that I should test it. Well, now I am back with the report. This has been tested with a vanila Toshiba Mini, WinXP Home, 1GB RAM, stock 5400 rpm 160 HDD, and the latest LR. I first copied RAW files (DNG) from the card to the HDD, and then exported them into the LR. This worked just fine, as long as I didn't ask to have the full-size previews. Creating full-size previews was _painfully_ slow, so I had to interrupt it and disable it for the future. Clicking on the image to see a full-screen preview results in some ~1-3 second delay. Also, - the LR panels are not well suited for using with a typical netbook 1024x600 display (the height is the biggest problem), - so the solution was to minimize the preview panel at the top left, - otherwise I couldn't get to the folders because LR doesn't scroll the panels. (That's something for Adobe to think about.) Overall, - a typical $300-$400 netbook is a suitable solution for storing, checking and even selectively posting some screenshots - but do not expect to do any heaving processing. I haven't tried generating web-galleries, - I'd assume that would take some considerable time because just exporting screen-size (600x800) JPEGs (from full size 12MP JPEGs) was taking considerable time (if I very roughly estimated, - no more than ~5-7 images per minute). The only thing that such a PSD doesn't do, compared, say to my HyperDrive, - it doesn't check correctness of copying the files. Over the past ~8-9 years of using digital cameras, I only encountered some file-related errors once or twice. so it may not be as important. But definitely, having a peace of mind is better than to have a pissed-off mind later. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
Tom C wrote: Certainly! Whenever I attempt to venture back to film, I can't seem to seriously do it (regardless of how much I enjoy the smell of a freshly open film canster). How interesting. I don't feel anywhere near as confident with a digital camera as I do with film and I suspect in part this is why it remains in the camera bag; a film camera or digital camera is as much a choice as a lens. Cost of film and developing seem like an afterthought almost, because it didn't really bother me then (I also think what is my own time worth?) True and of course in this age of what can be done to a digital image, as much time is often taken here as in development. I'm not suggesting I would return to film... extremely hard to do... Can't comment as I never left! I'm just wondering because it seems I do a lot more work with digital. Maybe in the same vein as computers. Back when we didn't have PC's (I had Atari's and Commodore's and before/during that worked in the mainframe world), a Technical Services department would solve all the stupid issues and I would only worry about my own application programs. Now I must be tech services, data base admin, etc., + photographer... blah, blah, blah... :-) I appreciate that and it is something I find particularly difficult as I have no real interest in computers anymore, and yet, if I am to embrace the digital age, I'm pretty much forced to go into an area which gives me no joy. The one thing I still particularly like about E6 is that it forces you to consider the photo and then wait for the results. You nailed it or you didn't. I pretty much dread the day when I can't have film as an option. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Using netbook as a photo-storage
The only thing I dislike with the Jobo is the short battery life. However they do have a powerpack for it which could be a good option if you cand get it at a discounted price. Jostein 2009/10/6 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: My photo shop next door is selling off their Jobo stock at 50%+ discounts. I have no idea if that is cheap relative to the bay etc. but just FYI Cheers Ecke 2009/10/6 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: Thanks for the report, Igor! On a similar line, I have tried for a while to sell my Jobo GIGAvu Pro Evolution (40 Gb), but got no offers. So I ended up playing with it instead. I replaced the disk with a 320 Gb equivalent, and it works like a breeze. A 320 Gb disk sold in bulk doesn't cost much these days, and the unit can already display DNG files. Maybe something to think of for other Jobo owners, while IDE disks are still available new :-). Jostein 2009/10/5 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org: Hi All, A netbook that costs ~$300-$400 and typically has a 160 GB HDD and an SD (and it looks like they are HCSD, at least the one in Toshiba Mini) - can be used as a photo-storage device. A while ago, I was throughing in this idea, and somebody suggested that I should test it. Well, now I am back with the report. This has been tested with a vanila Toshiba Mini, WinXP Home, 1GB RAM, stock 5400 rpm 160 HDD, and the latest LR. I first copied RAW files (DNG) from the card to the HDD, and then exported them into the LR. This worked just fine, as long as I didn't ask to have the full-size previews. Creating full-size previews was _painfully_ slow, so I had to interrupt it and disable it for the future. Clicking on the image to see a full-screen preview results in some ~1-3 second delay. Also, - the LR panels are not well suited for using with a typical netbook 1024x600 display (the height is the biggest problem), - so the solution was to minimize the preview panel at the top left, - otherwise I couldn't get to the folders because LR doesn't scroll the panels. (That's something for Adobe to think about.) Overall, - a typical $300-$400 netbook is a suitable solution for storing, checking and even selectively posting some screenshots - but do not expect to do any heaving processing. I haven't tried generating web-galleries, - I'd assume that would take some considerable time because just exporting screen-size (600x800) JPEGs (from full size 12MP JPEGs) was taking considerable time (if I very roughly estimated, - no more than ~5-7 images per minute). The only thing that such a PSD doesn't do, compared, say to my HyperDrive, - it doesn't check correctness of copying the files. Over the past ~8-9 years of using digital cameras, I only encountered some file-related errors once or twice. so it may not be as important. But definitely, having a peace of mind is better than to have a pissed-off mind later. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Quote of the day
On 10/6/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: You're right - Windows smells nothing like piss either, whether in a subway, a toilet or a specimen jar. The author is obviously a complete idiot. On the other hand Don't step in the Microsoft is excellent advice in some contexts: http://yarchive.net/space/microsoft.html -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day.
On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Graydon wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:55:43PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0910/iss_sts128_big.jpg Hi, Fred! :) Anyone recognize that rather desolate chunk of coastline down below? I think I do. I've never really looked from that angle but it looks to me like New Zealand. In the centre is Cook Straight with Wellington just to the left (BTW left = North, top = East). I get the impression they're looking at it from a low angle as it seems slightly distorted. Pretty hazy too. On the right hand side is Banks Peninsula. I live just next to that. I'm going to have to save that photo. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
What Marnie said. Well seen. Paul On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:56 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/5/2009 7:46:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: I thought this looked interesting. Maybe you will, too. Hope you enjoy: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/still-life-on-queen-west.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank = Let's try that again. With a comment this time. :-0 Interesting collection of stuff, there's a story there. Fun shot (think the tones could be a little better, but I am not supposed to mention that am I? :-)) Marnie aka Doe - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Tom C wrote: I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will meet my present needs, though I'm pretty sure it's far too noisy for any astrophotography. It has started me thinking though about the tradeoffs between film and digital. WIth film (E6 or positives specifically): One had to wait for the results. What you saw is what you got. Notwithstanding the development process, the largest variables in the result was the metering accuracy of the camera body (MX or Pz-1P, both overall excellent), the attributes of the film that was selected, and the judgement of the photographer. When I scanned a transparency, I pretty much considered that it was, as recorded, based upon my decisions at exposure time. It was a 1st generation image. With digital (shooting RAW): I see the 'results' (almost immediately). I'm unsure what processing has occurred in camera. I'm unsure how the sensor has responded to the scene and how the software in the camera has adjusted the image. I can guess, but I'm not sure. When you shoot RAW, no processing has occurred in the camera. However, the jpeg viewed on the LCD screen has been processed. You can adjust how much or how little by tweaking yur jpeg settings. I'm unsure if the image shown on the playback screen is an accurate representation of the scene or if it will match what I see on the computer screen. Once your computer is calibrated and you understand the way your camera functions, you can count on a much better match than you ever could have achieved on film. After tens of thousands of rolls of film and close to 70,000 digital images, I'm absolutely certain of that. I'm unsure if Photoshop or ACR, or whatever software used, is displaying an accurate representation of the recorded image. Screen calibration is an issue unto itself. Screen calibration is a science. You can make your conversion software accurate and repeatable. Maybe there was just as many variables with E6 and they were taken for granted at the time, because we didn't (or I didn't) have the knowledge 6 - 10 years ago to know the difference. Certainly all the post-capture and transposition to digital issues existed. Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Maybe my RAW image is the equivalent of my transparency, but it just does not feel the same. It seemed that I could look at a transparency and say Wow, that looks exactly like what I saw or Wow, I messed that one up. With digital I feel much more insecure. Was it me, the camera, the software, the hardware? It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? No. Now that my workflow is consistent and well planned, my RAW images are just about right on with my ACR default settings. I never could say the same when it came to scanning transparencies. Paul Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Swirl
G'day all Here's a photo from my recent trip to Western Australia - one of the few occasions where the prevailing dull, overcast light wasn't a big issue. There's a bit of an optical illusion in this. To my eye, the water seems to be flowing towards the top of the frame whereas it was actually flowing out to the right. Does anyone else get the same impression? http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/170917/Swirl.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
Interesting mood. Subdued contrast and overall texture really befit the scene. Jack --- On Mon, 10/5/09, eactiv...@aol.com eactiv...@aol.com wrote: From: eactiv...@aol.com eactiv...@aol.com Subject: Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 8:56 PM In a message dated 10/5/2009 7:46:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: I thought this looked interesting. Maybe you will, too. Hope you enjoy: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/still-life-on-queen-west.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank = Let's try that again. With a comment this time. :-0 Interesting collection of stuff, there's a story there. Fun shot (think the tones could be a little better, but I am not supposed to mention that am I? :-)) Marnie aka Doe - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Nobel prize to inventor of CCD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Smith A photographic congratulations is in place, I feel. :-) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Swirl
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all Here's a photo from my recent trip to Western Australia - one of the few occasions where the prevailing dull, overcast light wasn't a big issue. There's a bit of an optical illusion in this. To my eye, the water seems to be flowing towards the top of the frame whereas it was actually flowing out to the right. Does anyone else get the same impression? http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/170917/Swirl.html Woah, that's one cool shot! I think I hate you. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
Brief response. In the case of film, I think the delay between making the shot and seeing the image tends to allow one to more readily accept the results. This anticipation period lends itself to a broad range of reactions from stinging disappointed to the satisfaction of pleasing surprise enhanced by the delay. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: The BS of Digital Photography To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 12:07 AM I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will meet my present needs, though I'm pretty sure it's far too noisy for any astrophotography. It has started me thinking though about the tradeoffs between film and digital. WIth film (E6 or positives specifically): One had to wait for the results. What you saw is what you got. Notwithstanding the development process, the largest variables in the result was the metering accuracy of the camera body (MX or Pz-1P, both overall excellent), the attributes of the film that was selected, and the judgement of the photographer. When I scanned a transparency, I pretty much considered that it was, as recorded, based upon my decisions at exposure time. It was a 1st generation image. With digital (shooting RAW): I see the 'results' (almost immediately). I'm unsure what processing has occurred in camera. I'm unsure how the sensor has responded to the scene and how the software in the camera has adjusted the image. I can guess, but I'm not sure. I'm unsure if the image shown on the playback screen is an accurate representation of the scene or if it will match what I see on the computer screen. I'm unsure if Photoshop or ACR, or whatever software used, is displaying an accurate representation of the recorded image. Screen calibration is an issue unto itself. Maybe there was just as many variables with E6 and they were taken for granted at the time, because we didn't (or I didn't) have the knowledge 6 - 10 years ago to know the difference. Certainly all the post-capture and transposition to digital issues existed. Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Maybe my RAW image is the equivalent of my transparency, but it just does not feel the same. It seemed that I could look at a transparency and say Wow, that looks exactly like what I saw or Wow, I messed that one up. With digital I feel much more insecure. Was it me, the camera, the software, the hardware? It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
Tom, in general I am with Paul Stenquist on this one. My reply is between your lines below... On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I just ordered a K-7 against what may may be my better judgement... I'm optimistic that it will meet my present needs, though I'm pretty sure it's far too noisy for any astrophotography. Jostein and Ralf pointed out a number of times that dark frame subtraction cannot be canceled with K-7 if exposure time is over some threshold (like 30 sec or so, but I am not sure I remember it correctly). Thus, they claimed K-7 is ill-suited for astrophotography. I tried shooting at night with K-7 only once and the results were reasonable, but I am not doing it often. If you wish I can supply you with PEFs for you to examine. WIth film (E6 or positives specifically): One had to wait for the results. What you saw is what you got. Notwithstanding the development process, the largest variables in the result was the metering accuracy of the camera body (MX or Pz-1P, both overall excellent), the attributes of the film that was selected, and the judgement of the photographer. When I scanned a transparency, I pretty much considered that it was, as recorded, based upon my decisions at exposure time. It was a 1st generation image. But you had to set up the scanner or scanning program to give you proper representation of the transparency, had you not? And if for any reason you did not hit it swiftly, it could become a rather tedious process of trial and error, could it not? This at least was my experience, though I was shooting and thence scanning negative film (mostly Fuji NPC 160). With digital (shooting RAW): I see the 'results' (almost immediately). I'm unsure what processing has occurred in camera. I'm unsure how the sensor has responded to the scene and how the software in the camera has adjusted the image. I can guess, but I'm not sure. I'm unsure if the image shown on the playback screen is an accurate representation of the scene or if it will match what I see on the computer screen. I'm unsure if Photoshop or ACR, or whatever software used, is displaying an accurate representation of the recorded image. Screen calibration is an issue unto itself. Didn't you have to calibrate your screen for work with scanned film? Wasn't you post processing your scanned film at all? If you did post process it, then you probably used the same Photoshop software, did you not? Who did your film processing? How did you solve the problem of dust on the film? Maybe there was just as many variables with E6 and they were taken for granted at the time, because we didn't (or I didn't) have the knowledge 6 - 10 years ago to know the difference. Certainly all the post-capture and transposition to digital issues existed. I remember that working with film after it has been processed was rather hectic for me, or better yet - tiresome. Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Maybe my RAW image is the equivalent of my transparency, but it just does not feel the same. It seemed that I could look at a transparency and say Wow, that looks exactly like what I saw or Wow, I messed that one up. With digital I feel much more insecure. Was it me, the camera, the software, the hardware? I found that having taken the film processing and scanning set up out of the game made my life significantly easier. Today my workflow is such that I usually spend 5-10 min of post processing per image and either it becomes something I'd rather share or it stays on my computer or even gets deleted. I sometimes process one image of the series and then apply post processing settings to the rest of the series. Yet this happens rarely and usually I process each image separately. Yet, I find that the technical or better yet technological component of my hobby has become much less tiresome and in general easier. It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. I do admit that I do my processing by the eye. That is, I don't have any measure or any template or any standard. I just sit down and do as I please in Lightroom. Often I catch myself thinking that I processed this image earlier and arrived to slightly (or not so slightly) different result. Yet, I don't seem to recall my film days with any nostalgia technology-wise. Does it seem that way to others as well? I suppose my answer would be definitely no, it does not seem so. However my film experience is far less than digital one. HTH. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shadows of the Past
I like this composition very much, Marnie. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, eactiv...@aol.com eactiv...@aol.com wrote: From: eactiv...@aol.com eactiv...@aol.com Subject: PESO - Shadows of the Past To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 12:20 AM One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Aikido belt tests
One sure has to know to fall properly... The last shot that you singled out is indeed very good! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shadows of the Past
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Lovely composition and rendering. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Aikido belt tests
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: After a bit of a hiatus, I returned to the dojo tonight. It turns out that there were belt tests tonight. I asked the sensei and he said that I should indeed get photos. I shot the first set with the 31/1.8 and it was a bit wider than optimal. Fortunately I haven't sent the 50/1.4 in for repair yet, because it ended up being just about right. This set is of Rebecca. It turns out that I studied aikido with her father about 25 years ago. As of tonight, she is now the same belt I am (sankyu). I'm afraid there have been quite a few multi-year hiatuses in my training. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622402237617/ The collection of all the sets is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157622401949377/ Despite a bit of blurriness, this is probably the best shot of the evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3985871455/sizes/l/ That's a wonderful set!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Nobel prize to inventor of CCD
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:47 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Smith A photographic congratulations is in place, I feel. :-) Yeah, but he only got a 1/4 share. ;-) And with yet another digital/film debate in another thread, perhaps it's either congratulations or blame! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Halloween comes early
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: My neighbor seems to be getting into the Spirit of the season early. http://georges.posterous.com/halloween-starts-early There's one on every street, eh? ;-) Fun pic! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shadows of the Past
The shadows certainly add impact to the image. The (former) engineer in me wants the walls on the left and right to be vertical, but I'm not sure that would be an improvement... Nicely composed and presented. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:20 -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: It's sort of Wegman meets Weston, isn't it? It's a wonderful parody. It would be better if it was printed down quite a bit, I think. Make it look more like an overwrought Penn. It is a Foundview, right? Yes, it was found. I'd never have thought of putting those elements together myself. By the way, which Penn are you talking about, William or Sean? Irving -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Almost had it
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM, gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote: There's a few more studies in blur that night: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N6MWazsTT1IguXZwDxQ7XQ?feat=directlink Actually, I really like this first one! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Swirl
Yes, Brian, indeed there is an illusion of flow upwards as you describe. My hat's off! On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all Here's a photo from my recent trip to Western Australia - one of the few occasions where the prevailing dull, overcast light wasn't a big issue. There's a bit of an optical illusion in this. To my eye, the water seems to be flowing towards the top of the frame whereas it was actually flowing out to the right. Does anyone else get the same impression? http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/170917/Swirl.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shadows of the Past
Tasteful composition. I cannot judge the rendering being at work, but composition is indeed very interesting. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:20 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
AlunFoto wrote: Mark and Doug, I think you're both right. It's great to have one's photos evaluated by others sometimes. Oh, that part, I definitely agree with. I just don't feel like the PPG is a good way to do that, due to the dynamic nature of the jury and the lack of a theme or focus, or, really, any direction at all to the jury. Between a changing jury and no focus, it seems to me that it's all really a crap shoot (dice game) with PPG. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Can I have a doughnut please? I think it's actually illegal to buy a Tim Horton's coffee without a doughnut... And it's in very poor taste to buy a Tim Horton's cofee any time. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Intense Mutual Stares
In the digital versus film debate, I have to say that noise isn't nearly as pretty as grain: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/mutual-intense-stares.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: And it's in very poor taste to buy a Tim Horton's cofee any time. Which explains why they sell more coffee in Canada than any other distributor. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - We're Here!
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:37 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Speaking of ghosts (re to frank, re Fort Point, SF)... This is a grab shot. As I was down the corridor in an old room, this kid walked in and pointed. Thinking I got to get that I raised the camera, but way too slowly. However, although not as good as the first shot that I lost, a kid joined him. Maybe it doubles the impact. I've played with this to up the eerie quality. Because it was sort of eerie at the time. Primitive vignetting technique and I can see I messed up the edge of his hat and his pants leg, so I will probably try this again sometime. Sort of fun. Made me think of Amityville or Shyamalan or something/someone like that. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/here.htm Comments, eerie technique suggestions, welcome. I like. That red hoodie really makes the shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Intense Mutual Stares
In fact, Frank, I find noise of K-7 much less objectionable than that of any other camera prior to it (K10D, *istD, etc). On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: In the digital versus film debate, I have to say that noise isn't nearly as pretty as grain: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/mutual-intense-stares.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Parasailing
love the shot, Pat. Dramatic and colorful! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Peso - Parasailing As Marnie has stated, it was quite windy at Fort Point yesterday. Larry thought it was MFC. I agree wholeheartedly with both. Didn't seem to bother this guy. http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Nn-R2KLB88M/Ssjkk6ve5vI/ApE/TQajQDsHXHI/s800/IMGP4892.JPG - Pat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:GESO - Aikido belt tests
My opinion, the first shot really it. I realize that it doesn't show much action, but to me, it is right visually. I like the composition of the background. Ted Beilby -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Intense Mutual Stares
The grain and apparent tension flowing between the two, make for a well caught, but unpleasant scene. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Intense Mutual Stares To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 5:40 AM In the digital versus film debate, I have to say that noise isn't nearly as pretty as grain: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/mutual-intense-stares.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Aikido belt tests
Very nice set, Larry! Good work here. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: GESO - Aikido belt tests After a bit of a hiatus, I returned to the dojo tonight. It turns out that there were belt tests tonight. I asked the sensei and he said that I should indeed get photos. I shot the first set with the 31/1.8 and it was a bit wider than optimal. Fortunately I haven't sent the 50/1.4 in for repair yet, because it ended up being just about right. This set is of Rebecca. It turns out that I studied aikido with her father about 25 years ago. As of tonight, she is now the same belt I am (sankyu). I'm afraid there have been quite a few multi-year hiatuses in my training. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622402237617/ The collection of all the sets is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157622401949377/ Despite a bit of blurriness, this is probably the best shot of the evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3985871455/sizes/l/ -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Will and the Rocket Boys
Thank, Will, for us. Really fun to see these pics. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: OT: Will and the Rocket Boys I've offered up a couple of pithy aphorisms to this list by Will Connell, Sr., the photographer who founded the photography department at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena. His son, Will Jr., is married to my aunt and we've become fast friends recently. When Will Jr. was in college studying engineering in the late 1950's, he and his peers were big into rocketry. They built their rockets, 7' long, 150lb monsters (some with two-stages), and launched them in the high desert above Los Angeles. If you've seen the movie October Sky about former NASA engineer Homer Hickam, well, Will's is a similar story. After college Will went into the aerospace industry and worked on the X-15 rocket plane among other projects. He asked me recently if I would scan some old 6x6 and 6x9 color negatives of his rocketry launches. I don't know what emulsions were used but it was some form of Kodak Safety Film from the late 50's. There were also two (2) 6x9 color transparencies. I don't know what kind of cameras were used for the 6x9 images, but the 6x6's were made on a TLR of some type. You'll notice that the pressure plate of this camera was not keeping the film flat at the time of exposure as the edges are uniformly soft. The negs were scanned on my Nikon 9000ED at 2000 dpi. The photos were taken by a friend of Will's. I asked Will if I could share these with y'all and he thought that was fine. Enjoy! http://www.primelensphoto.com/wills_rocketry_photos/index.html -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pdml meeting in SF: faces
Larry ought to be happy with your work here, Sasha. Very nice portrait of him. cheers, Christine http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/3981800583/in/set-72157622517810098/ - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: pdml meeting in SF: faces I hanged out with Larry so most of my photos are of him. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/sets/72157622517810098 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
2009/10/6 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Oh, that part, I definitely agree with. I just don't feel like the PPG is a good way to do that, due to the dynamic nature of the jury and the lack of a theme or focus, or, really, any direction at all to the jury. Between a changing jury and no focus, it seems to me that it's all really a crap shoot (dice game) with PPG. As often is, we're in violent agreement. :-) It may be a weakness, but I kinda like the PPG version of games of chance. Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
Me too. The variety of tastes represents, to some extent, that of the public and gives the images more of a chance of being accepted...maybe.(?) Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: pentax photo gallery To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:36 AM 2009/10/6 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Oh, that part, I definitely agree with. I just don't feel like the PPG is a good way to do that, due to the dynamic nature of the jury and the lack of a theme or focus, or, really, any direction at all to the jury. Between a changing jury and no focus, it seems to me that it's all really a crap shoot (dice game) with PPG. As often is, we're in violent agreement. :-) It may be a weakness, but I kinda like the PPG version of games of chance. Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
AlunFoto wrote: 2009/10/6 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: Oh, that part, I definitely agree with. I just don't feel like the PPG is a good way to do that, due to the dynamic nature of the jury and the lack of a theme or focus, or, really, any direction at all to the jury. Between a changing jury and no focus, it seems to me that it's all really a crap shoot (dice game) with PPG. As often is, we're in violent agreement. :-) It may be a weakness, but I kinda like the PPG version of games of chance. I agree for the most part. I'd probably be very annoyed if I had to pay to participate under these conditions, but it's free so what the heck? You definitely *can* learn through submitting to the PPG and I have certainly done so. My rate of getting photos through the first stage (public voting) is now 100% and it wasn't always that way. Getting through the final, Pentax employee stage is more difficult, but then it should be. By the way: I've had the interesting experience of speaking with some of the Pentax folks who do the judging for the final cut. It was definitely interesting to hear about it from their perspective. I commented to one about the people who submit 20 shots of a slight variation on a theme (being unable to simply too lazy to self-edit). I noted that I just vote no on the lot -- it's one of the times I wish voters could send messages to submitters: Learn to edit your work! I asked him about this annoyance and he just grinned and said We (the people at Pentax) never see those. Meaning that I'm not the only voter who just gives them all the thumbs down. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 02:07:38AM -0500, Tom C scripsit: [snip] Nevertheless, with the advent of digital capture, it seems or feels as if the process is far more complicated. Maybe my RAW image is the equivalent of my transparency, but it just does not feel the same. It seemed that I could look at a transparency and say Wow, that looks exactly like what I saw or Wow, I messed that one up. With digital I feel much more insecure. Was it me, the camera, the software, the hardware? I deal with this one as it was me; that's the one I can generally do something about. It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? Well, I've never shot film. So I really don't get the emotional transition. I find image adjustment to be straightforward; I don't have to do many, and if I did have to do many I have batch tools available. (Do one carefully by hand, do the rest to those settings.) I'm also very thankful I don't have to learn a pile of darkroom chemistry. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: keywords in LightRoom
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:14:14AM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: 2009/10/5 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: That tree is really an acyclic directed graph, I'm sorry, I think we belong to different tribes... :-) Oh, quite possibly. and because of the one-and-only-one-path property of those graphs (there is only one way to get to any node in the graph from the root of the tree), if you move leaves like that, you're defining a different node, because it has different ancestry. Ah! You belong to the Object-Orientation tribe, don't you? :-) Actually, no. They're over the next hill. I'm from the Functional tribe. :) Sorry, just teasing. Don't put too much into the allegory. I don't think fancy explanations for why it doesn't work is actually necessary. The most important thing is to know why things work the way they do. Which is what I thought I was talking about. By what I do for a living, I have to deal with dynamic controlled vocabularies. The dynamic thing is what set my thoughts spinning re: LR too. At work we define a plethora of business rules to deal with it, in terms of Change Control Procedures, latency times and so on. We also have ways to encode the status of different values in the hierarchy, like temporary and deprecated. At the end of the day, you need rather complex XML for exchange formats, and rather complex applications/databases to keep track of it all. Far beyond the current scope of the keywording in LR. What could amend quite a lot of the issues for my own part, though, is an option to mark certain keywords as deprecated. Meaning that they are still searchable and show up in the hierarchy with statistics, but are not possible to assign to new photos. I'm surprised that isn't in there already, and it certainly ought to be fairly easy to add. Maintaining a taxonomy of labels, long-term, is a lot more work than most people expect it to be, I find. Rather like terminology for indexes and similar, even if you don't have to translate it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
Mark, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: You definitely *can* learn through submitting to the PPG and I have certainly done so. My rate of getting photos through the first stage (public voting) is now 100% and it wasn't always that way. Can you please explain how does one *know* that their photo passed the public voting stage? Thanks. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day.
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:51:44PM +1300, David Mann scripsit: On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Graydon wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:55:43PM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0910/iss_sts128_big.jpg Hi, Fred! :) Anyone recognize that rather desolate chunk of coastline down below? I think I do. I've never really looked from that angle but it looks to me like New Zealand. In the centre is Cook Straight with Wellington just to the left (BTW left = North, top = East). I get the impression they're looking at it from a low angle as it seems slightly distorted. Pretty hazy too. On the right hand side is Banks Peninsula. I live just next to that. That's going to be reasonably definitive, then. Thanks! I was thinking New Zealand but I've never been in the Southern Hemisphere, never mind New Zealand, so was dubious. I'm going to have to save that photo. Thanks for pointing it out. I saved it, too. Don't forget to click for full resolution. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Almost had it
Pat, The last is a good shot of Godfrey. In most shots of him over the year, he seems to have a 'Deer in the Headlights' look! This is much better than that. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM, gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote: There's a few more studies in blur that night: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N6MWazsTT1IguXZwDxQ7XQ?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zHgoskxUwpLeRekJ-OHcjA?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wY0UBN3LsCY3-mf6PM9Wjw?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Rh9rFw3gazvIdVoww10iXw?feat=directlink On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote: Taken during dinner at the NorCal PDML meet last night. I can think of so many ways this image can be improved (expression, lighting, arm placement), but somehow the color tone and the softness work for me. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sMG4z85TX6TgZ-wi1REEXg?feat=directlink Tilted, blurry, it looks like a shot I might have taken. ;-) I agree with you, despite all of the above it works. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
Boris Liberman wrote: Mark, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: You definitely *can* learn through submitting to the PPG and I have certainly done so. My rate of getting photos through the first stage (public voting) is now 100% and it wasn't always that way. Can you please explain how does one *know* that their photo passed the public voting stage? If a photo is listed as Ready for Review after two weeks or more it has passed through voting but not through the final approval stage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
I'm, also, curious, Mark. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: pentax photo gallery To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:21 AM Mark, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: You definitely *can* learn through submitting to the PPG and I have certainly done so. My rate of getting photos through the first stage (public voting) is now 100% and it wasn't always that way. Can you please explain how does one *know* that their photo passed the public voting stage? Thanks. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pentax photo gallery
Okay, how did you learn that? I've 'guessed' that such a time span might be the case, but.. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: pentax photo gallery To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:35 AM Boris Liberman wrote: Mark, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: You definitely *can* learn through submitting to the PPG and I have certainly done so. My rate of getting photos through the first stage (public voting) is now 100% and it wasn't always that way. Can you please explain how does one *know* that their photo passed the public voting stage? If a photo is listed as Ready for Review after two weeks or more it has passed through voting but not through the final approval stage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
At 9:50 AM +0100 10/6/09, Malcolm Smith wrote: Tom C wrote: Certainly! Whenever I attempt to venture back to film, I can't seem to seriously do it (regardless of how much I enjoy the smell of a freshly open film canster). How interesting. I don't feel anywhere near as confident with a digital camera as I do with film and I suspect in part this is why it remains in the camera bag; a film camera or digital camera is as much a choice as a lens. My problem with digital is that it offers too many choices, variables and options. Most of the time I just want to take the picture, not fiddle with ISO, white balance, contrast settings, etc. etc. With film, once you've loaded the speed of film you want, your only choices are aperture and shutter speed, and you have to live with them. I know this is an oversimplification, but you get my drift. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: keywords in LightRoom
Graydon, 2009/10/6 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: Which is what I thought I was talking about. Then I must apologise for my cheekiness. I have also looked up what an acyclic directed graph is. :-) Curiously, I have always thought of it in terms of it being like a food web, from my long gone days of biology... Maintaining a taxonomy of labels, long-term, is a lot more work than most people expect it to be, I find. Rather like terminology for indexes and similar, even if you don't have to translate it. absolutely. Speaking of translation, one of the tasks we're trying to tackle is to provide information to the public in all EU/EEA countries on medicines approved for sale in each country, with all associated data and possibilities to view the information in all available languages. From Greek to Icelandic. :-) Not a lot of data in there yet, but you can have a go at http://www.eudrapharm.eu When you get to the Advanced Search screen, all the drop-down lists in there are examples of dynamic vocabularies that has to be maintained. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Halloween comes early
Early? The stores here have their Christmas stuff out already . . . Dan On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:34 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/4/2009 10:33:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsi...@gmail.com writes: My neighbor seems to be getting into the Spirit of the season early. http://georges.posterous.com/halloween-starts-early gs = Wow, they really go all out. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 12:48:49PM -0300, Steve Sharpe scripsit: My problem with digital is that it offers too many choices, variables and options. Most of the time I just want to take the picture, not fiddle with ISO, white balance, contrast settings, etc. etc. With film, once you've loaded the speed of film you want, your only choices are aperture and shutter speed, and you have to live with them. I know this is an oversimplification, but you get my drift. I never (well, ok, I've done it a couple-three times to make sure I understood how) chimp or even look at pictures on the rear LCD. It seems like precisely the sort of distraction that'll keep me from noticing the *next* photographic opportunity. I understand the whole heuristic, holistic, para-mathematical paralysis feeling, but this is what both the green mode and hyper program are for, or at least I think so. One doesn't have to tackle any of the variables one doesn't want to tackle. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:05:28 -0400 Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: I understand the whole heuristic, holistic, para-mathematical paralysis feeling Mark! :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
I think this is the essence of the problem. Since we can adjust so much, we feel the need, even an obligation to do. I've just stopped. I post process if the picture is bad, otherwise I leave it as is. Jpegs are film. If it really bothered me, I'd shoot one of each (jpeg and raw) and keep the raw files for a rainy day. My approach to digital has become How I learned to stop worrying and love jpegs. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sharpe Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: The BS of Digital Photography At 9:50 AM +0100 10/6/09, Malcolm Smith wrote: Tom C wrote: Certainly! Whenever I attempt to venture back to film, I can't seem to seriously do it (regardless of how much I enjoy the smell of a freshly open film canster). How interesting. I don't feel anywhere near as confident with a digital camera as I do with film and I suspect in part this is why it remains in the camera bag; a film camera or digital camera is as much a choice as a lens. My problem with digital is that it offers too many choices, variables and options. Most of the time I just want to take the picture, not fiddle with ISO, white balance, contrast settings, etc. etc. With film, once you've loaded the speed of film you want, your only choices are aperture and shutter speed, and you have to live with them. I know this is an oversimplification, but you get my drift. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca * http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: keywords in LightRoom
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 05:56:24PM +0200, AlunFoto scripsit: Graydon, 2009/10/6 Graydon o...@uniserve.com: Which is what I thought I was talking about. Then I must apologise for my cheekiness. It's quite all right -- I have had two separate eminent editors of English-language texts suggest I do not speak English, but instead a closely-related dialect. I don't assume I'm necessarily making sense. I have also looked up what an acyclic directed graph is. :-) Colloquially, tree, yeah. But the habit of precision creeps in, because I've had to explain why it matters to various sullen audiences who were finding their habitual mechanisms for doing work being changed. Being one of those weird people who *likes* XSLT probably doesn't help. Curiously, I have always thought of it in terms of it being like a food web, from my long gone days of biology... That's not too far off, though a food web is going to (usually) have multiple paths; almost everything eats mice. :) Maintaining a taxonomy of labels, long-term, is a lot more work than most people expect it to be, I find. Rather like terminology for indexes and similar, even if you don't have to translate it. absolutely. Speaking of translation, one of the tasks we're trying to tackle is to provide information to the public in all EU/EEA countries on medicines approved for sale in each country, with all associated data and possibilities to view the information in all available languages. From Greek to Icelandic. :-) A conceptually simple matter with XML. :) (I did a documentation-to-22-languages setup using an XML vocabulary for technical authoring; I was pleased to discover that, aside from the translators, it really *was* conceptually simple.) Not a lot of data in there yet, but you can have a go at http://www.eudrapharm.eu The absence of aspirin rather weirded me out. :) When you get to the Advanced Search screen, all the drop-down lists in there are examples of dynamic vocabularies that has to be maintained. You could just default target species to human, you now, and save a whole page template. :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Boston Pentax Meet-up: Sunday October 11th, 2009
Good stuff, Mark! I'll wait to hear back that you've been granted security clearance :-) In the meantime, I should point out there's been a slight change of plans. Instead of meeting in Boston, we're going to meet in Harvard Sq, to enjoy the annual Oktoberfest: http://www.harvardsquare.com/Home/Articles/Oktoberfest-2009.aspx Should be a great opportunity for some street shooting, with food, drink and chimping to follow. We're meeting at 4pm outside the Church St exit of Harvard Sq T station. To everyone: Let me know if you're coming so I know how many people we have to wait for. Cheers, --M. 2009/10/5 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Miserere wrote: After I failed to make last Sunday's Pentax Meet-up due to a stay in the ER courtesy of an evil eye infection, I am attempting a 2nd meet-up for Sunday the 11th of this month: Where: Quincy Market, Boston When: Oct. 11th @ 16:00 Why: Because we like mixing Pentax and Beer. And Photography. Yeah, let's not forget the Photography. Let me know if any of you in the Boston area are interested in coming. Eye infections permitting, I will be meeting my Pentaxian pirate friend regardless, but the more the merrier. Count me in. Well, tentatively. I'll check with She Who Must Be Obeyed to be certain we have no conflicts. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Aikido belt tests
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 06:02:03AM -0700, Theodore Beilby wrote: My opinion, the first shot really it. I realize that it doesn't show much action, but to me, it is right visually. I like the composition of the background. Ted Beilby Thanks a bunch for noticing. That is one of the shots that I took with the aim of photographic composition rather than capturing action. I wanted to capture the picture of O Sensei (the founder of Aikido), the calligraphy and the students. I had to position myself carefully so that I wouldn't get too much reflection on the portrait or the calligraphy. After that, it was a case of waiting for the action to happen in a place fortuitous to the composition. And, yes Boris, knowing how to take a fall is critical. It's pretty much the first thing you learn, and something you practice as much, or more than throwing. It's also the one part of Aikido that I've ever really needed. Years ago, I had a get-off where I parted company with my motorcycle at probably 40-50 MPH. A few months later the guy that was in the car in front of me recognized me at a trade show. He watched the incident in the mirror. Traffic had suddenly come to a stop. I hit the brakes, the front end went out from under the bike and I was launched six or eight feet in the air. He said that the roll I did was very impressive. lrc -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
- Mensaje original De: Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu I think this is the essence of the problem. Since we can adjust so much, we feel the need, even an obligation to do. I've just stopped. I post process if the picture is bad, otherwise I leave it as is. Jpegs are film. If it really bothered me, I'd shoot one of each (jpeg and raw) and keep the raw files for a rainy day. My approach to digital has become How I learned to stop worrying and love jpegs. That's exactly what I feel when I try raw and open it on whatever editing program (that tend to be very slow to operate BTW). I can change so many things that I get paralyzed. I assume that within some time I would discover the workflow that best suits my needs. Unfortunately, having two small kids I can hardly keep up with taking some pictures from time to time... Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shadows of the Past
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 03:20:56AM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: One more Ft. Point PESO before I got to a GESO (eventually). At Ft. Point I became intrigued with the shadows in the middle of the courtyard, shadows from the girders in the Golden Gate Bridge immediately above. The shadows seemed to line up with various openings. Fort Point was built-in approximately 1853 and the Golden Gate Bridge sometime in the 1930's so those particular shadows have been there for a long time. I could imagine people over the years watching them slowly move around and line up with different openings. Or maybe I just have too much imagination. :-) I know for a fact that at least one other photographer spent time taking pictures of those shadows. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/shadows.htm Comments, welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day.
2009/10/5 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0910/iss_sts128_big.jpg In case anyone is curious, this was shot with a NIKON D2Xs, which seems like a pretty big camera to be carrying up into space. Cheers, --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Wedding Photography made difficult!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8292164.stm LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: lens repair
2009/10/4 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Send it to Pentax Colorado. They do very good work. Paul Pentax have now outsourced repairs to another company: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/pentax-imaging-appoints-cris-as,913238.shtml --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
I personally had this mourning phase when I switched purely to digital and actually stooped shooting for a while. I had just gotten the *istD and wasn't making prints. I had stopped using my MZ-S (which I really enjoyed) and didn't adjust my mental workflow to include a good way to view my pictures on a regular basis. The big difference now is that I keep my favorite images on my ipod touch and my laptop and show them to folks and look at them myself. I know this sounds silly, but it's easy to get buried under thousands of images that you have no real practical way to access. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jaume Lahuerta Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography - Mensaje original De: Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu I think this is the essence of the problem. Since we can adjust so much, we feel the need, even an obligation to do. I've just stopped. I post process if the picture is bad, otherwise I leave it as is. Jpegs are film. If it really bothered me, I'd shoot one of each (jpeg and raw) and keep the raw files for a rainy day. My approach to digital has become How I learned to stop worrying and love jpegs. That's exactly what I feel when I try raw and open it on whatever editing program (that tend to be very slow to operate BTW). I can change so many things that I get paralyzed. I assume that within some time I would discover the workflow that best suits my needs. Unfortunately, having two small kids I can hardly keep up with taking some pictures from time to time... Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:07:10PM -0400, Desjardins, Steve scripsit: [snip] The big difference now is that I keep my favorite images on my ipod touch and my laptop and show them to folks and look at them myself. I know this sounds silly, but it's easy to get buried under thousands of images that you have no real practical way to access. While I don't carry around a video display device, these two sentences started me thinking. I don't know about PEF, but DNGs have a full-size (but wretched for compression) JPEG in them, and these can be directly extracted. draw -e *.dng works from the command line just fine, and I'm sure there are other ways to do this. Which gives me a really useful, yeah, that's the whole screen size (which is a quarter of the actual image size, so the JPEG compression isn't an issue) thumbnail to go through and have opinions about which of these is worth actually processing. Is there a widespread sense that you're stuck actually processing all the raw images, or at least firing up the full converter application, to get some sense of what your pictures might look like? -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Quote of the day
A. Adapt or get left behind and unread. B. What have I been told about formatting in email? On Oct 6, 2009, at 02:37 , Sandy Harris wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- It's not that life is too short, it's that you're dead for so long.. — Anon Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
In a message dated 10/6/2009 10:25:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, o...@uniserve.com writes: Is there a widespread sense that you're stuck actually processing all the raw images, or at least firing up the full converter application, to get some sense of what your pictures might look like? -- Graydon == Nope. IfranView. Lightroom. Marnie aka Doe :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Swirl
In a message dated 10/6/2009 4:28:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, supera1...@fastmail.fm writes: snip There's a bit of an optical illusion in this. To my eye, the water seems to be flowing towards the top of the frame whereas it was actually flowing out to the right. Does anyone else get the same impression? http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/170917/Swirl.html Cheers Brian == Not sure. But that is a very nice shot. I just like the swirling without thinking about it much. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:25:32PM -0400, Graydon wrote: Is there a widespread sense that you're stuck actually processing all the raw images, or at least firing up the full converter application, to get some sense of what your pictures might look like? Nope. I just use a Shell Extension http://forum.idimager.com/viewtopic.php?t=3150 and I can preview my PEFs and DNGs in Windows Explorer (with a nice tooltip-style popup showing most of the useful EXIF information). In any case, for raw images I shoot DNG+JPG on the K10D, so I've got a full-size JPG if I want to take a quick look at something. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Intense Mutual Stares
Nice. Nostalgia. Iwantcoffee.NOW! On Oct 6, 2009, at 05:40 , frank theriault wrote: In the digital versus film debate, I have to say that noise isn't nearly as pretty as grain: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/mutual-intense-stares.html Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. cheers, frank If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: MI5
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:52:40PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: OT: MI5 [snip British Army indoor training ranges] It is possible that the picture, especially given the weird perspective and silly height of the fence, was taken in a facility like that, with a projected night sky on the wall. You and Adam just amaze me with what you know. Have to have _some_ positive side effects from the mis-spent youth. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
Graydon asked: Is there a widespread sense that you're stuck actually processing all the raw images, or at least firing up the full converter application, to get some sense of what your pictures might look like? No, not at all. After five years of shooting RAW, I know exactly what I have based on the LCD display. You get a more accurate preview of a RAW image if yu draw down your jpeg parameters as mentioned here earlier. In fact, for most shoots, I only look at the LCD image of one or two exposures and the corresponding histogram. Then I just get down to work. The consistent exposures of the K7D are particularly valuable in this regard. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG Voting
Since we are on the subject of PPG voting, I'll, again, pass along what a Pentax rep. told me about the process some time back. If an image receives 20 NO votes before the image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO), the image is auto Declined. If an image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO) and the 60 votes is comprised of fewer than 20 NO votes, the image is referred to the judges for disposition. I have not asked the question in some time, so have no way of knowing if this system is still in place. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? You're not obliged to do any post-processing - that's why cameras have jpeg options: set forget, just as you might have chosen a particular type of film. I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. Most times its just a WB tweak or maybe just a brightness jump, but nothing severe.. If it is, i reshoot.:-) Now with the D1, they needed levels, wb and magenta teaks. I don't see anything wrong with spending a bit of tiem with post processing. If its not the photographer, i'm sure the lab does. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding Photography made difficult!
You posted this because you heard I'm doing a family wedding next July, didn't you. Dave On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8292164.stm LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
Life south of Steeles.:-) Dave On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I thought this looked interesting. Maybe you will, too. Hope you enjoy: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/still-life-on-queen-west.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pef vs dng
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On my Mac, PEF files are one single file (unless there are invisible files stored somewhere) and DNG files are stored as two files, one being a Data file (dark grey rectangle icon with DATA written across it). PEF files are always atomic ... one single file ... but if you use Bridge+Camera Raw or Lightroom to add IPTC metadata and perform your adjustments, and write the adjustments out (rather than keeping them hidden in a centralized database), the applications will create .XMP sidecar files for each PEF file. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The BS of Digital Photography
There are few perfect shots; almost anything can be processed in some way depending on your tastes. Most problems were much harder to fix with film so we just accepted what we got or, more to the point, took more time at the shooting end. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The BS of Digital Photography On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? You're not obliged to do any post-processing - that's why cameras have jpeg options: set forget, just as you might have chosen a particular type of film. I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. Most times its just a WB tweak or maybe just a brightness jump, but nothing severe.. If it is, i reshoot.:-) Now with the D1, they needed levels, wb and magenta teaks. I don't see anything wrong with spending a bit of tiem with post processing. If its not the photographer, i'm sure the lab does. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Peso - Almost had it
I like how in Blur 2 the thing most in focus is the word Pentax. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of gldnbearz Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Peso - Almost had it There's a few more studies in blur that night: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N6MWazsTT1IguXZwDxQ7XQ?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zHgoskxUwpLeRekJ-OHcjA?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wY0UBN3LsCY3-mf6PM9Wjw?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Rh9rFw3gazvIdVoww10iXw?feat=directlink On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, gldnbearz gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote: Taken during dinner at the NorCal PDML meet last night. I can think of so many ways this image can be improved (expression, lighting, arm placement), but somehow the color tone and the softness work for me. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sMG4z85TX6TgZ-wi1REEXg?feat=directlink Tilted, blurry, it looks like a shot I might have taken. ;-) I agree with you, despite all of the above it works. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: keywords in LightRoom
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 05:56:24PM +0200, AlunFoto wrote: I have also looked up what an acyclic directed graph is. :-) Usually referred to, I thought, as a Directed Acyclic Graph (aka DAG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fleet Week 2009
From: John Francis I don't know where we were when we had a PDML meet for the airshow (although some of the other attendees can probably tell you), but it seemed to work fairly well if you had a long lens: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/FatAlbert.jpg Based on the perspective of Alcatraz Island in the background, somewhere along the shore of The Presidio, down near the Exploratorium. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 01:52:41PM -0400, David J Brooks wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It seems the almost instant gratification of digital capture and the speediness of results has been eclipsed by the, OMG factor, and 'what do I have to do to adjust this image?'. Time saved by instant results is erased by time spent post-capture processing. Does it seem that way to others as well? You're not obliged to do any post-processing - that's why cameras have jpeg options: set forget, just as you might have chosen a particular type of film. I was chastised on the Pentax forums for saying i usually have to post process just about every shot i want to keep or sell. He said i don't know what i';m doing if i need to post process. Tell that to Ansel Adams. Post processing is just as critical to the final photograph as proper film developing and printing. Good photographers not only post process their work, but they consider the post processing when they shoot so that they get the best final product possible. An obvious example would be to over or under expose to save detail in shadows or highlights, and then correct the midrange in post processing. IMNSHO, whoever said that was a wanker who probably shot in green mode. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The BS of Digital Photography
Amen. Thank you. - Pat On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote: I think this is the essence of the problem. Since we can adjust so much, we feel the need, even an obligation to do. I've just stopped. I post process if the picture is bad, otherwise I leave it as is. Jpegs are film. If it really bothered me, I'd shoot one of each (jpeg and raw) and keep the raw files for a rainy day. My approach to digital has become How I learned to stop worrying and love jpegs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fleet Week 2009
Fleet Week and the Blue Angels are returning to San Francisco this coming weekend. Can those who have photographed this event here in the past (John Celio? J McAllister?) share the locations you used? I shoot from next to the small building here: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=enie=UTF8msa=0msid=109314549091145708161.00043bf1e4baf9fc8cb8cll=37.808254,-122.427655spn=0.00192,0.003449t=hz=18 If you're really dedicated you can climb on top of it. It seems to be high enough to avoid most boat masts. You can have my spot as I probably won't be going this year. Keep an eye on your stuff though: last year my headlight and speedometer were stolen right off my bicycle, and it was barely three feet from me. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: MI5
From: Michael Beacom n Oct 5, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Bob W wrote: There are some photos here from a new officially-sanctioned book about the history of MI5, but take a look at photo number 5, which purports to show a night-training exercise. Have you ever seen such an obvious fake? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8290504.stm It's laughable! Bob Harvest Moon? Someone in the photo section with way too much time on his hands. Fun with Photoshop and when the Professor started digging through the files for illustrations for his book, the perpetrator wasn't about to admit he'd been goofing off on the government's dime. Admit it. Sooner or later, just about everyone, once they get a copy of Photoshop, has a go at adding a giant full moon to some image whether it goes there or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still Life on Queen West
From: frank theriault I thought this looked interesting. Maybe you will, too. Hope you enjoy: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/10/still-life-on-queen-west.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank I do like that one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: how many (US) national parks have you been to?
Better late than never . been on the road for the last 12 days first around Lake SUperior, then a photo tour in western U.P of Michigan (Porcupine mountain area). By my count - 19 National Parks - some were National Monuments when I visited. Acadia Badlands Black Canyon of the Gunnison Capitol Reef Denali Glacier Glacier Bay Grand Canyon Grand Teton Great Sand Dunes Great Smoky Mountains Haleakala Isle Royale Katmai Kenai Fjords Petrified Forest Redwood Rocky Mountain Yellowstone Yosemite Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: how many (US) national parks have you been to? Here's the list of all 58 U.S. National Parks: Acadia American Samoa Arches Badlands Big Bend Biscayne Black Canyon of the Gunnison Bryce Canyon Canyonlands Capitol Reef Carlsbad Caverns Channel Islands Congaree Crater Lake Cuyahoga Valley Death Valley Denali Dry Tortugas Everglades Gates of the Arctic Glacier Glacier Bay Grand Canyon Grand Teton Great Basin Great Sand Dunes Great Smoky Mountains Guadalupe Mountains Haleakala Hawaii Volcanoes Hot Springs Isle Royale Joshua Tree Katmai Kenai Fjords Kings Canyon Kobuk Valley Lake Clark Lassen Volcanic Mammoth Cave Mesa Verde Mount Rainier North Cascades Olympic Petrified Forest Redwood Rocky Mountain Saguaro Sequoia Shenandoah Theodore Roosevelt Virgin Islands Voyageurs Wind Cave Wrangell-St. Elias Yellowstone Yosemite Zion -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
