Re: OT Battery for iBook G4

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Trautmann

David J Brooks wrote:

My battery up until very recently, would last about 2 1/2 hours, now
about 20 minutes.
I see that Apple is still having issues with these batteries from what
i read. Any 3rd party i could look at.??
Mac G4 iBook, 13 screen


iBook G4 with 13? I assume it's 12 only.

I got any battery from ebay sellers. You never know about the quality 
that much - especially how new the cells are, since li-ion does degrade 
by aging.


My battery here dropped from 4400 mAh (which it never actually had) down 
to now 3644 mAh after 486 cycles. Seems to be good enough.
It does fit sufficiently well and is slightly more grey than the white 
casing. Apple batteries are speced at 4000 mAh, AFAIR.


There are some better recommended brands - but I'd suggest to ask e.g. 
in news:comp.sys.mac.portables or any of the common web forums.


I think it's my third battery since 2004 - the first one was replaced by 
Sony's recall action.


I'm more annoyed by the fact that Apple claims much better battery 
quality for the current MacBooks with internal cells, but does not 
reflect this by any increased warranty - it's always limited to one year 
only, regardless of AppleCare, for manufacturing defects only.


- Martin

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

2009-12-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
From what I've seen so far with the K-x I have on test, I fully agree with 

DPReview's comments.
BTW, I've already taken around 800 shots with an old set of Eneloops on the 
K-x I have and is still running fine (no recharge needed so far).
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Re: OT?: Wireless question

2009-12-26 Thread Cotty
On 25/12/09, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

can you be more specific? you wrote about troubles with an old
PowerBook, but didn't say how that meant trouble for PCs ...

I seem to remember Jostein having a whole heap a trouble trying to get
his Windows laptop to join an Airport network - I can't remember if we
did it in the end or not. Ended up using an ethernet cable I think. IIRC
it was to do with setting the password so a PC could enter a hex
password or something. I now have that info at hand so whenever a
visitingPC wants to get on, it can.

More info Dave here:

http://tech.ifelix.net/1011.html





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Re: Boris PESO #43

2009-12-26 Thread Toine
Great composition and perspective. Very well done!
Toine

2009/12/25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Hi!

 Though I evidently don't stand a chance of posting more PESOs to get to
 sensible number 52, here is another one...

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-042_25.html

 Be brutal and honest.

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread mike wilson

Mark Roberts wrote:


I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade
my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can
support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21
widescreen).

Any suggestions/recommendations?


I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT.  I think it has 1Gb of memory but 
it might be the 512Mb.  What it does not have is a fan.  Blessed are the 
peacemakers...


http://www.silentpcreview.com/article770-page1.html

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Re: How many watt-seconds is the AF-540?

2009-12-26 Thread Jos from Holland
Indeed the true way to compare flash light output is the amount of 
energy in the  flash of light.

This is independend of the way the light is directed, bundeled or difused.

The basic principle of this kind of flash guns is:

  1. The voltage of the battery is boosted to a high voltage on a
 capacitor, might be 500 volt
  2. The (big) capacitor is discharged in to the flash bulb.
  3. So all the light energy has to come frome the electrical energy in
 the capacitor.
  4. The energy in the capacitor = 0.5 x C x  V x  V  could be: 0.5 x 2
 milli Farad  x 500Volt x 500 Volt = 125 Joule = 125 Watt seconds
  5. If this energy lands in the light output with with an efficiency
 of 80%  visible light, this would lead to 100 Ws real light energy
 and this could be called effective Ws
  6. To know the Ws figure of your 540, you could open the gun and read
 the value of the big capacitor and measure the voltage on it in
 charged condition. :-)

Regards, Jos

Peter Loveday wrote:

guide number
Watt Seconds
Effective Watt Seconds
BCPS (Beam Candle Power Seconds)


16x the light.  However its a largely irrelevant measure; GN is 
completely dependant on any sort of reflectors, diffusers, zoom heads 
etc etc.  So on a white lightening, this figure changes with anything 
you put on it.  As does the 540, but this is less common of course.


This is of course also why the 540 changes GN with zoom position; the 
Watt-Seconds would be the same no matter what; it is an absolute power.


Howeer even this is misleading, as it is the amount of power the flash 
uses, not how much light it puts out.  Different efficiencies etc can 
make this vary somewhat; and it is often only truly useful when 
comparing a range from one manufacturer.


I've not seen BCPS much, but I assume its the american or imperial 
equivalent of Lux /Lumens/Candela?  In any case, this is potentially 
the most useful, but least quoted spec.



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Re: OT?: Wireless question

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
My airport is always on, and i dont remember seeing the wireless icon,
but i have never really checked for it. I will next time.

Me thinks this being and older USB 1.1 PC variety,, it may not have
wireless built in.

Thanks for the info so far. I just like to have some info when i hit a
store so i dont sound like the dunce i am.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 25/12/09, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

can you be more specific? you wrote about troubles with an old
PowerBook, but didn't say how that meant trouble for PCs ...

 I seem to remember Jostein having a whole heap a trouble trying to get
 his Windows laptop to join an Airport network - I can't remember if we
 did it in the end or not. Ended up using an ethernet cable I think. IIRC
 it was to do with setting the password so a PC could enter a hex
 password or something. I now have that info at hand so whenever a
 visitingPC wants to get on, it can.

 More info Dave here:

 http://tech.ifelix.net/1011.html





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Re: Do you ever get what you want for Christmas, but can't keep it?

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
My eyes opened, so  i'm good.:-)

Dave

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 A friend showed up to my get together today with his niece. His extremely
 attractive niece. Who rides motorcycles and is the staff photographer for
 Motor Trend.

 It *might* be a very slight exaggeration to say that I'm besmitten.

 By the way, she did get a chuckle out of Doug's quote about photographing
 flowers versus photographing racecars.

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Re: OT Battery for iBook G4

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:

 iBook G4 with 13? I assume it's 12 only.

 I got any battery from ebay sellers. You never know about the quality that
 much - especially how new the cells are, since li-ion does degrade by aging.

 My battery here dropped from 4400 mAh (which it never actually had) down to
 now 3644 mAh after 486 cycles. Seems to be good enough.
 It does fit sufficiently well and is slightly more grey than the white
 casing. Apple batteries are speced at 4000 mAh, AFAIR.

 There are some better recommended brands - but I'd suggest to ask e.g. in
 news:comp.sys.mac.portables or any of the common web forums.

 I think it's my third battery since 2004 - the first one was replaced by
 Sony's recall action.

 I'm more annoyed by the fact that Apple claims much better battery quality
 for the current MacBooks with internal cells, but does not reflect this by
 any increased warranty - it's always limited to one year only, regardless of
 AppleCare, for manufacturing defects only.

 - Martin

Thanks

The drop seemed to happen all at once.
I went on the apple store site, and read a lot of battery reviews and
most of them are very negative in regards to reliability from apple
and or the supplier, thus the inquiry for 3rd party.

I'll have to dig up my BOS and check, i always thought it was 13, but
maybe i'm flashing back again.:-)

Dave

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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 That was fun!  Thanks for doing this, Mark.  I'll read it again in the
 morning when I'm sober! :-).  Cheers, Christine

If that's the pre requisite, i'll need to re read Jan 10th.:-)

Dave


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 Subject: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!


 Like all the rest of you, I'm sure, I always celebrate December 25th
 as the birthday of the discoverer of the visible light spectrum.
 There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
 gifts (to observe everyone's action and reaction) and later conducting
 some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.

 And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
 presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
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Re: Boris PESO #43

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice shot. Well sone.

Dave

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 Hi!

 Though I evidently don't stand a chance of posting more PESOs to get to
 sensible number 52, here is another one...

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-042_25.html

 Be brutal and honest.

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Re: Boris PESO #43

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Though I evidently don't stand a chance of posting more PESOs to get to
 sensible number 52, here is another one...

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-042_25.html

 Be brutal and honest.


Well, this ~must~ be art, because there's no bloody reason that I can
think of that I like it - but I do!

Inexplicably cool shot, Boris.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Christmas Window

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:51 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thats a wonderful shot, sort of Its a wonderful Life type.

Thanks, Dave!

cheers,
frank (bleary eyed on Boxing Day morning)

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Re: OT Battery for iBook G4

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Trautmann

David J Brooks wrote:


I went on the apple store site, and read a lot of battery reviews and
most of them are very negative in regards to reliability from apple
and or the supplier, thus the inquiry for 3rd party.


I don't know their expectations.

Mine here just says

Replacement Li-Ion Battery for iBook

Model No.:A1008 11.1V   4700mAh
... Made in China

No real manufacturer, model number, date code of manufacturing, but 
probably much cheaper and not really worse than the original type.


- Martin

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PESO - Mister Nobody's Day

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
A couple of weeks ago as I walked by a local gallery I thought what
was on the wall looked familiar, and as I walked in, sure enough it
was an exhibit of works by a friend of mine, Tanya Reid.  She
consented to my photographing her exhibit, a portion of which is here:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/mister-nobody.html

I kind of like the light.

Comments welcome.  Hope you enjoy.

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Re: GESO - On Christmas Morning - GDG

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 With felicitations and salutations for all folks on the turn of the year ...

   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/on-christmas-morning

 Happy Holidays to all, and to all a great New Year!

 Godfrey
 --
  a photo blog: http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com

Lack of Flash prevents my viewing them.

;-(

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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist
Lots of fun. Thanks for putting in the time.
Paul


On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 That was fun!  Thanks for doing this, Mark.  I'll read it again in the 
 morning when I'm sober! :-).  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
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 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:05 AM
 Subject: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!
 
 
 Like all the rest of you, I'm sure, I always celebrate December 25th
 as the birthday of the discoverer of the visible light spectrum.
 There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
 gifts (to observe everyone's action and reaction) and later conducting
 some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.
 
 And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
 presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
 http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm
 
 
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Re: GESO Paris by PS

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:


 What's so bad about adobe's flash? I like it.

It's not that it's bad, it's that I don't have it.  Tried downloading
it onto my new-to-me computer with newly-installed Ubuntu OS (which I
really like) but Ubuntu didn't like that so it didn't install
properly.  Whatever's there is corrupted so I can't uninstall it, and
all freeware Flash equivalents won't install as long as those corrupt
Adobe files are there.

So I'm stuck without it until I can figure out how to clean the
corrupt ones out.

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Re: Best of the Season folks

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Bran Everseeking
bran.everseek...@sasktel.net wrote:

 hope every one has some relaxation over the the past while and the
 while to come.

Yesterday was having fun day and today's relaxing day.

All the best of the season to you, Bran!

cheers,
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Re: Christmas morning

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Nothing like a pannukakku to start the day!

 http://www.zenfolio.com/smhPhotos/p155717848

 Best wishes to all for a healthy happy holiday.

A delicious photo!

Best of the season to you and your family, Stan.

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Re: OT PESO (x8) - Recent stuff

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:18 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Merry Christmas All,

 Well Chrissy lunch is done  I'm about to enjoy my alcohol buzz by
 watching Gran Torino. But before I do I thought I'd share some of my
 recent stuff:snip

Really like Fuel, Browsing and Feisty - those are excellent!

Blue Steel really looks more like Magnum to me, but whatever...

;-)

All in all a wonderful set.

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Christian wrote:

http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

 Why, yes we were, in fact. You've let us down.

 I'll try to make up for it:

 CORMORANTS FOR CHRISTMAS (by Speck Roberts)

 Cormorants for Christmas,
 They make me very glad!
 (A Christmas without cormorants,
 Ought never to be had!)

 If you've no cormorants this year,
 I surely wish you well,
 But you won't have as much fun as,
 We of the PDML.

 I've found most congenial way,
 This day to celebrate,
 I'll raise my glass until I drink,
 Frank's horizons straight.

 It's Cotty whom we have to thank,
 For all this cormorant fun,
 It's clear he's gone to the dark side,
 In more ways than just one.

 But Christian was first to see,
 The ideal that we seek:
 A dirty, smelly seabird,
 With a dead fish in its beak.

 Paul Stenquist shoots a lot of cars,
 In motion and at rest,
 But - no offense - we all prefer,
 Snaps of his grandkids best.

 Should any PDML member,
 Get a little out of hand,
 We know Bill Robb will offer,
 A gentle reprimand.

 And when Doug Brewer gets upset,
 You'll surely hear him shout,
 The traditional invective:
 Marnie, clean your mailbox out!

 The PDML's official drink?
 Of course it is tequila,
 ('Cause it's the only word I know,
 That rhymes with Christine Aguila)

 Shall we renounce our cormorants?
 Not till it snows in hell!
 (Or not, at least, until Dave Brooks,
 Learns how to type and spell).

 And so another Christmas day,
 Is almost in the bag,
 I wish you all a cormorant,
 Or at least a damn good shag.

Who says we're not a cultured lot, with poetry (I used the term
loosely) like that!!

Thanks, Mark, for a good laugh.  All the best to you and Dr. Lisa!!

cheers,
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Re: Do you ever get what you want for Christmas, but can't keep it?

2009-12-26 Thread drd1135
Damn. Now I want beef and I have a fridge full of turkey. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: Do you ever get what you want for Christmas, but can't keep it?


On Dec 25, 2009, at 7:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 Julia LaPalme?

Yes, that's her. Lovely lass, and very nice.

We'd start talking cars, motorcycles or photography and after about  
two minutes August and Zab's eyes would glaze over.

On a slight tangent, I'm happy to say that the traditional whiskymas  
roast came out yummy, even if the experimental wasabi crust didn't  
quite work out. And while we didn't get around to the single malts,  
the '97 Rosenblum zin was very nice.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4214011229/in/set-72157623070248768/

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 A friend showed up to my get together today with his niece. His  
 extremely attractive niece. Who rides motorcycles and is the staff  
 photographer for Motor Trend.

 It *might* be a very slight exaggeration to say that I'm besmitten.

 By the way, she did get a chuckle out of Doug's quote about  
 photographing flowers versus photographing racecars.

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Boris PESO #44

2009-12-26 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

Usually I am photo-active during the weekend. So, I reckon it will be 
the last photo until the next week or likely until the next year...


I realize it is imitation of Godfrey's, but what can I do.

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-044.html

Be brutal and honest.

Boris

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread P N Stenquist

As Bill would say, HAR!
Well done, sir!
Paul
On Dec 26, 2009, at 9:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com  
wrote:

Christian wrote:


http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)


Why, yes we were, in fact. You've let us down.

I'll try to make up for it:

CORMORANTS FOR CHRISTMAS (by Speck Roberts)

Cormorants for Christmas,
They make me very glad!
(A Christmas without cormorants,
Ought never to be had!)

If you've no cormorants this year,
I surely wish you well,
But you won't have as much fun as,
We of the PDML.

I've found most congenial way,
This day to celebrate,
I'll raise my glass until I drink,
Frank's horizons straight.

It's Cotty whom we have to thank,
For all this cormorant fun,
It's clear he's gone to the dark side,
In more ways than just one.

But Christian was first to see,
The ideal that we seek:
A dirty, smelly seabird,
With a dead fish in its beak.

Paul Stenquist shoots a lot of cars,
In motion and at rest,
But - no offense - we all prefer,
Snaps of his grandkids best.

Should any PDML member,
Get a little out of hand,
We know Bill Robb will offer,
A gentle reprimand.

And when Doug Brewer gets upset,
You'll surely hear him shout,
The traditional invective:
Marnie, clean your mailbox out!

The PDML's official drink?
Of course it is tequila,
('Cause it's the only word I know,
That rhymes with Christine Aguila)

Shall we renounce our cormorants?
Not till it snows in hell!
(Or not, at least, until Dave Brooks,
Learns how to type and spell).

And so another Christmas day,
Is almost in the bag,
I wish you all a cormorant,
Or at least a damn good shag.


Who says we're not a cultured lot, with poetry (I used the term
loosely) like that!!

Thanks, Mark, for a good laugh.  All the best to you and Dr. Lisa!!

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

2009-12-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Wow!  That's up close  personal!  Cute bird.  Hope you're having a great 
time.  Cheers, Christine



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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under



http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Mat Maessen
On 12/25/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
  Or at least a damn good shag.

I'm fresh out of carpet pictures this Christmas.

But a merry one, nonetheless!

-Mat

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Re: Boris PESO #44

2009-12-26 Thread Jack Davis
Nicely titled, Boris. Adds greatly by giving it the additional benefit of 
meaning.

Jack

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 From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Subject: Boris PESO #44
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 7:41 AM
 Hi!
 
 Usually I am photo-active during the weekend. So, I reckon
 it will be the last photo until the next week or likely
 until the next year...
 
 I realize it is imitation of Godfrey's, but what can I do.
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-044.html
 
 Be brutal and honest.
 
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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

2009-12-26 Thread P. J. Alling
You have to be quite a fan to want to understand the dialog in Mel 
Gibson/s movie about Christ.


On 12/24/2009 10:41 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:


From: Bob W p...@web-options.com



Teach Yourself Welsh!?



The tapes were moved,  now we can't find them, so I never got very 
far. How goes it with Amharic?  :-) Cheers, Christine








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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread Mat Maessen
On 12/25/09, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 BTW Matt, did you see the shot of you in this video?

  Yes that's you stood photographing the tonal gradation of the ridges,
  penultimate shot.

  http://www.vimeo.com/8226245

I missed that the first time around, but excellent video!

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Re: Boris PESO #44

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Usually I am photo-active during the weekend. So, I reckon it will be the
 last photo until the next week or likely until the next year...

 I realize it is imitation of Godfrey's, but what can I do.

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-044.html

 Be brutal and honest.


Beautifully rendered, interesting composition.

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Re: GESO Paris by PS

2009-12-26 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 09:08:32AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
 On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
  What's so bad about adobe's flash? I like it.
 
 It's not that it's bad, it's that I don't have it.  Tried downloading
 it onto my new-to-me computer with newly-installed Ubuntu OS (which I
 really like) but Ubuntu didn't like that so it didn't install
 properly.  Whatever's there is corrupted so I can't uninstall it, and
 all freeware Flash equivalents won't install as long as those corrupt
 Adobe files are there.
 
 So I'm stuck without it until I can figure out how to clean the
 corrupt ones out.

Did you install using an Adobe tarball or something?  (If you give me
more information I can probably tell you what to do to fix it, though
you're safer getting somebody to come by and look at it.  If all else
fails, getting a list of the files and using rm -f as the superuser
(root) _will_ remove those files.)

Ok, Rule 1 -- if it's not in a package (I think the current Ubuntu
package manager is called synaptic; if you can't find it in the
package manager GUI regardless) you don't install it.  Period, end of
sentence, full stop.

Instructions for installing flash on Ubuntu 9.04 and subsequent: 

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash

Rule 2 - Adobe hates and fears Linux; we don't know why, but we *do*
know that you're much, much better off letting someone else figure out
how to really get the Adobe application to run on your linux distro, so
you never use the Adobe version of anything for linux raw, you find
the website that the crazed guy who has figured out how to make it work
has put up and use the download from there.

Rule 3 - There are open source browsers so standards compliant that
almost all JavaScript and flash don't work when they load the page.  It
doesn't mater if you have Flash properly installed or not, the browser
is expecting the web page to conform to the standard, it doesn't, and
the Flash or Javascripty part of the page doesn't load.

This is usually useful -- many ads, pop-overs, etc. never manage to
load, never mind display -- but it means you should use something using
the Gecko engine (Firefox, Galleon, etc.) for looking at JavaScript or
Flash heavy websites.

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Re: Boris PESO #44

2009-12-26 Thread P N Stenquist

Excellent. Like the tonality and the composition.

Stuff laying on the pavement is a genre that precedes Godders by many  
decades. Shoot away, it's yours as well!!


Paul


On Dec 26, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!

Usually I am photo-active during the weekend. So, I reckon it will  
be the last photo until the next week or likely until the next year...


I realize it is imitation of Godfrey's, but what can I do.

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-044.html

Be brutal and honest.

Boris

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
That's an interesting test site. I'm in the market for a power supply.
My old desktop makes a lot of noise.

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2009/12/26 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
 Mark Roberts wrote:

 I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade
 my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can
 support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21
 widescreen).

 Any suggestions/recommendations?

 I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT.  I think it has 1Gb of memory but it
 might be the 512Mb.  What it does not have is a fan.  Blessed are the
 peacemakers...

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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread Boris Liberman
I wonder if cumulative wisdom of PDML (quotes) can ever approach that of 
the man who's birthday is being celebrated in the subject line...


;-)

Boris

On 12/25/2009 3:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Like all the rest of you, I'm sure, I always celebrate December 25th
as the birthday of the discoverer of the visible light spectrum.
There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
gifts (to observe everyone's action and reaction) and later conducting
some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.

And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm





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OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist

My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is only about 
130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a 3.5 SATA drive 
in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that enclosure for any SATA 3.5 
drive. I'm going to  replace it with a 1.5 terabyte Seagate 7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. 
Are all enclosures created equal? 

BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free shipping.

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Re: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: paul stenquist

Subject: OT: Hard drive enclosures?




My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is only 
about 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a 3.5 
SATA drive in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that enclosure for 
any SATA 3.5 drive. I'm going to  replace it with a 1.5 terabyte Seagate 
7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. Are all enclosures created equal?


BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free shipping.


You should be able to just drop a new drive in and keep playing.
I think bigger drives produce more heat, so if the enclosure doesn't have a 
cooling fan, the new drive might have a rather short life.


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Re: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:49:30PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
 - Original Message - From: paul stenquist
 Subject: OT: Hard drive enclosures?
 My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is only 
 about 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a 
 3.5 SATA drive in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that 
 enclosure for any SATA 3.5 drive. I'm going to  replace it with a 1.5 
 terabyte Seagate 7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. Are all enclosures created equal?

 BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free shipping.

 You should be able to just drop a new drive in and keep playing.
 I think bigger drives produce more heat, so if the enclosure doesn't have 
 a cooling fan, the new drive might have a rather short life.

I'm reading Paul's description as the *drive* is nigh 10 years old, and the
enclosure is newer.  (I certainly don't remember SATA external
enclosures being available in 1999 or 2000.)

If that is the case, *and* if the enclosure is one of the solid hunk of
aluminium extrusion ones, terabyte drives won't be a problem; the
enclosure gets warm but that's _why_ it's a solid hunk of aluminium
extrusion.  If the enclosure is the bulky, air-gap kind, yes, you should
probably make sure it has some kind of cooling fan.

The other possible issue is the SATA standard supported by the enclosure
and its various generational permutations; a very first generation SATA
enclosure will work, but it'll be a good deal slower in terms of
read/write throughput than a new terabyte range drive itself is capable
of being.  That might not matter for one component of a backup.

The thing I will note is that terabyte range drives are not particularly
robust; I wouldn't plan on getting nigh 10 years out of it.

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PESO: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread Graydon
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wj7AowTcVM/SzZY_DCvGQI/DSc/_La1HhzeEA0/s1600-h/amarylis.jpg

DA35, in conditions that were not that dark -- pretty dim, but not that
dark.  The rendering is the result of trying to get a similar look to
what the in-DNG preview JPG looked like.

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Ken Waller

I learn something everyday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shag

Wasn't sure of the meaning of shag...

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!



On 12/25/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Or at least a damn good shag.


I'm fresh out of carpet pictures this Christmas.

But a merry one, nonetheless!

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Re: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread Ken Waller

Ya think it might be a little big for most monitors ?

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Graydon o...@uniserve.com

Subject: PESO: amaryllis



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wj7AowTcVM/SzZY_DCvGQI/DSc/_La1HhzeEA0/s1600-h/amarylis.jpg

DA35, in conditions that were not that dark -- pretty dim, but not that
dark.  The rendering is the result of trying to get a similar look to
what the in-DNG preview JPG looked like.

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Re: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 02:46:03PM -0500, Ken Waller scripsit:
 - Original Message - From: Graydon o...@uniserve.com
 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wj7AowTcVM/SzZY_DCvGQI/DSc/_La1HhzeEA0/s1600-h/amarylis.jpg

 DA35, in conditions that were not that dark -- pretty dim, but not that
 dark.  The rendering is the result of trying to get a similar look to
 what the in-DNG preview JPG looked like.

 Ya think it might be a little big for most monitors ?

Whups!

Pardon the the-neuron-you-have-reached-is-not-in-service moment; forgot
to scale that at all.

Try
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wZcVQxu9JTbWUCvkzoGGYw?feat=directlink
for a more reasonably scaled version.

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/26/2009 11:43:00 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
kwal...@peoplepc.com writes:
I learn something  everyday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shag

Wasn't sure of the meaning of  shag...

Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


===
Cough, you  forgot to also consult the online urban  dictionary...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shag

HTH,  Marnie

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Re: GESO - On Christmas Morning - GDG

2009-12-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks for your comments!

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:04 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/on-christmas-morning

 Lack of Flash prevents my viewing them.

Hi Frank,

The link to the individual photos off the blog post should take you to
a screen which then links to an HTML display if you cannot use flash.
The direct link is

  http://www.gdgphoto.com/2009-holiday_cards/html/

:-)

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/12/09, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cough, you  forgot to also consult the online urban  dictionary...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shag


 ' shag (a softer sound) sounds more like an enjoyable fun activity.'

Can't argue with that!

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Ken Waller


Kenneth Waller
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From: eactiv...@aol.com

Subject: Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!


In a message dated 12/26/2009 11:43:00 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
kwal...@peoplepc.com writes:

I learn something  everyday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shag

Wasn't sure of the meaning of  shag...

Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


===
Cough, you  forgot to also consult the online urban  dictionary...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shag

HTH,  Marnie


That's more like what I initially took it to mean.


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Re: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
Without regard for the age of the drive, if the enclosure and it's  
power supply are 5-10 years old, I'd replace it as well. Just to get a  
pore modern and probably more robust power supply.


More than 50% of my hard drive failures over the years turned out to  
be power supply failures. In a new enclosure, the old drives worked  
fine.


Joseph McAllister
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On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:09 , Graydon wrote:


On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:49:30PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:

- Original Message - From: paul stenquist
Subject: OT: Hard drive enclosures?
My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is  
only

about 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a
3.5 SATA drive in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that
enclosure for any SATA 3.5 drive. I'm going to  replace it with a  
1.5
terabyte Seagate 7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. Are all enclosures created  
equal?


BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free  
shipping.


You should be able to just drop a new drive in and keep playing.
I think bigger drives produce more heat, so if the enclosure  
doesn't have

a cooling fan, the new drive might have a rather short life.


I'm reading Paul's description as the *drive* is nigh 10 years old,  
and the

enclosure is newer.  (I certainly don't remember SATA external
enclosures being available in 1999 or 2000.)

If that is the case, *and* if the enclosure is one of the solid hunk  
of

aluminium extrusion ones, terabyte drives won't be a problem; the
enclosure gets warm but that's _why_ it's a solid hunk of aluminium
extrusion.  If the enclosure is the bulky, air-gap kind, yes, you  
should

probably make sure it has some kind of cooling fan.

The other possible issue is the SATA standard supported by the  
enclosure
and its various generational permutations; a very first generation  
SATA

enclosure will work, but it'll be a good deal slower in terms of
read/write throughput than a new terabyte range drive itself is  
capable

of being.  That might not matter for one component of a backup.

The thing I will note is that terabyte range drives are not  
particularly

robust; I wouldn't plan on getting nigh 10 years out of it.




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Re: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread drd1135
It looked nice on my cell phone. ;-). Very sharp with impressive Dof for a 
macro shot. 
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 02:46:03PM -0500, Ken Waller scripsit:
 - Original Message - From: Graydon o...@uniserve.com
 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wj7AowTcVM/SzZY_DCvGQI/DSc/_La1HhzeEA0/s1600-h/amarylis.jpg

 DA35, in conditions that were not that dark -- pretty dim, but not that
 dark.  The rendering is the result of trying to get a similar look to
 what the in-DNG preview JPG looked like.

 Ya think it might be a little big for most monitors ?

Whups!

Pardon the the-neuron-you-have-reached-is-not-in-service moment; forgot
to scale that at all.

Try
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wZcVQxu9JTbWUCvkzoGGYw?feat=directlink
for a more reasonably scaled version.

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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread Tom C
If Isaac Newton hadn't discovered gravity, one of us surely would have.

:-)

Tom

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 I wonder if cumulative wisdom of PDML (quotes) can ever approach that of the
 man who's birthday is being celebrated in the subject line...

 ;-)

 Boris

 On 12/25/2009 3:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Like all the rest of you, I'm sure, I always celebrate December 25th
 as the birthday of the discoverer of the visible light spectrum.
 There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
 gifts (to observe everyone's action and reaction) and later conducting
 some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.

 And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
 presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
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RE: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Mitchell


 -Original Message-
 From paul stenquist
 Subject: OT: Hard drive enclosures?
 
 
 My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is only
 about 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a 3.5
 SATA drive in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that enclosure for
 any SATA 3.5 drive. I'm going to  replace it with a 1.5 terabyte Seagate
 7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. Are all enclosures created equal?
 
 BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free shipping.
 
 Paul

Paul, I'd be surprised if it is SATA - I don't think SATA was around 10
years ago. I reckon it's more likely to be ATA, (aka PATA or IDE). If that's
the case, the enclosure won't work for a SATA drive - the interface is
different. The power connector is different too...

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA for info (not guaranteed to be
definitive of course)

Chris



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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Same procedure as every year.
With one exception; both of my scores are deliberate this year.

Spank you Mark.
Happy new year!

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 Like all the rest of you, I'm sure, I always celebrate December 25th
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 There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
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 some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.

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 presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
 http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm


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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27/12/2009, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is only about 
 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem. It's a 3.5 SATA drive 
 in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use that enclosure for any SATA 3.5 
 drive. I'm going to  replace it with a 1.5 terabyte Seagate 7200 rpm 3.5 
 SATA. Are all enclosures created equal?

 BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free shipping.

Hi Paul,

As others have suggested you may run into problems, you might be best
off just buying a new integrated external drive. Often they can be
picked up for the same price or less than a bare drive less the
hassles.

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote:


I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT.


Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and 
those are generally available for under US$50 here in the States.


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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2009-12-26 14:57, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shag


2) A sea bird, A small cormorant.

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Re: [OT] Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread steve harley

On 2009-12-26 12:09 , Graydon wrote:

I'm reading Paul's description as the *drive* is nigh 10 years old, and the
enclosure is newer.  (I certainly don't remember SATA external
enclosures being available in 1999 or 2000.)

If that is the case, *and* if the enclosure is one of the solid hunk of
aluminium extrusion ones, terabyte drives won't be a problem; the
enclosure gets warm but that's _why_ it's a solid hunk of aluminium
extrusion.  If the enclosure is the bulky, air-gap kind, yes, you should
probably make sure it has some kind of cooling fan.


yeah, plus many (most?) new drives produce less heat than their 
lower-capacity forebears



The other possible issue is the SATA standard supported by the enclosure
and its various generational permutations; a very first generation SATA
enclosure will work, but it'll be a good deal slower in terms of
read/write throughput than a new terabyte range drive itself is capable
of being.  That might not matter for one component of a backup.


all the consumer grade spinning disk drives are significantly slower 
than even older 1.5Gb/s SATA, and anyhow the external interface (USB? 
FireWire?) is certainly the limiting factor; if it's a 10 year old 
enclosure it may even be USB 1, and if so definitely not worth saving; 
if it's PATA/IDE (not SATA) then the only reason i'd suggest saving it 
is if the user has other PATA drives to put in it -- since it has 
survived 10 years it's likely to survive many more



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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread P N Stenquist
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not an SATA. I'll pick up another  
enclosure. The last one I bought isn't really an enclosure, it's just  
a dock. It's called EZ- Dock, and it's made by a company called  
Kingwin. The drive plugs into a slot and stands up vertically. With no  
enclosure it seems to run quite cool. I think the dock sells for  
around twenty bucks.

Paul
On Dec 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


On 27/12/2009, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:


My oldest external drive failed. It's close to 10 years old and is  
only about 130 meg. It was fully backed up, so it's not a problem.  
It's a 3.5 SATA drive in  an enclosure. I'm wondering if I can use  
that enclosure for any SATA 3.5 drive. I'm going to  replace it  
with a 1.5 terabyte Seagate 7200 rpm 3.5 SATA. Are all enclosures  
created equal?


BTW, amazon currently has that Seagate drive for $114 with free  
shipping.


Hi Paul,

As others have suggested you may run into problems, you might be best
off just buying a new integrated external drive. Often they can be
picked up for the same price or less than a bare drive less the
hassles.

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Re: Trafalger Square, That's in London, right?

2009-12-26 Thread mike wilson

William Robb wrote:


This might be of interest to our British compatriots.

http://photographernotaterrorist.org/


Trafalger?  Never heard of it.

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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread mike wilson

Mark Roberts wrote:

And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm


Thank you once more.  It seems that I need to stop my mind running off 
at the fingertips.


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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27/12/2009, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not an SATA. I'll pick up another enclosure. The
 last one I bought isn't really an enclosure, it's just a dock. It's called
 EZ- Dock, and it's made by a company called Kingwin. The drive plugs into a
 slot and stands up vertically. With no enclosure it seems to run quite cool.
 I think the dock sells for around twenty bucks.

I use a dock system along side my integrated external drives, the dock
unit connects via USB2, Firewire and eSATA, the latter being my
preference as it makes the drive as fast as the internal unit. I
generally use the dock and drive to make live clones of my system
partitions. The Vantec enclosures/docks are pretty good, if you do go
for an enclosure try to get one that has a dual supply, ie 5v + 12v.

http://www.vantecusa.com/front/product/view_detail/377

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Christian

Beautiful.  Tears forming...  choking up... sniff

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Mark Roberts wrote:

Christian wrote:


http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)


Why, yes we were, in fact. You've let us down.

I'll try to make up for it:

CORMORANTS FOR CHRISTMAS (by Speck Roberts)

Cormorants for Christmas,
They make me very glad!
(A Christmas without cormorants,
Ought never to be had!)

If you've no cormorants this year,
I surely wish you well,
But you won't have as much fun as,
We of the PDML.

I've found most congenial way,
This day to celebrate,
I'll raise my glass until I drink,
Frank's horizons straight.

It's Cotty whom we have to thank,
For all this cormorant fun,
It's clear he's gone to the dark side,
In more ways than just one.

But Christian was first to see,
The ideal that we seek:
A dirty, smelly seabird,
With a dead fish in its beak.

Paul Stenquist shoots a lot of cars,
In motion and at rest,
But - no offense - we all prefer,
Snaps of his grandkids best.

Should any PDML member,
Get a little out of hand,
We know Bill Robb will offer, 
A gentle reprimand.


And when Doug Brewer gets upset,
You'll surely hear him shout,
The traditional invective:
Marnie, clean your mailbox out!

The PDML's official drink?
Of course it is tequila,
('Cause it's the only word I know,
That rhymes with Christine Aguila)

Shall we renounce our cormorants?
Not till it snows in hell!
(Or not, at least, until Dave Brooks,
Learns how to type and spell).

And so another Christmas day,
Is almost in the bag,
I wish you all a cormorant,
Or at least a damn good shag.




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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread AlunFoto
eSATA is absolutely fabulous when it works. My laptop has a good
hot-swap support for eSATA. My stationary is a little more quirky,
allowing dismounting an remounting if the disk was present at startup,
but not otherwise. But that's Windows. I recently read somewhere that
OSX does not support eSATA hotswap. It may have been outdated
information, but it could be worth the bother to check out before
buying.

Jostein

2009/12/26 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
 On 27/12/2009, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not an SATA. I'll pick up another enclosure. The
 last one I bought isn't really an enclosure, it's just a dock. It's called
 EZ- Dock, and it's made by a company called Kingwin. The drive plugs into a
 slot and stands up vertically. With no enclosure it seems to run quite cool.
 I think the dock sells for around twenty bucks.

 I use a dock system along side my integrated external drives, the dock
 unit connects via USB2, Firewire and eSATA, the latter being my
 preference as it makes the drive as fast as the internal unit. I
 generally use the dock and drive to make live clones of my system
 partitions. The Vantec enclosures/docks are pretty good, if you do go
 for an enclosure try to get one that has a dual supply, ie 5v + 12v.

 http://www.vantecusa.com/front/product/view_detail/377

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

2009-12-26 Thread Christian
Thanks, Christine.  Having a great time with the in-laws.  This 
kookaburra was very patient with me and let me get multiple angles from 
just a few yards away.



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Christine Aguila wrote:
Wow!  That's up close  personal!  Cute bird.  Hope you're having a 
great time.  Cheers, Christine



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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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Subject: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under



http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html

You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

2009-12-26 Thread Adam Maas
2009/12/25 Margus Männik mar...@eol.ee:


 I don't like small-sized bodies. Nikon D3x was quite perfect for me. OK, if
 it can't be K20D body, then let it be at least the digital version of Z-1p.
 K-7 is a bit too short from left.
 Megapixels... as long as there's enough pixels to fill A4 (8x12) at
 300dpi, I'm happy. It's APS-C body and there's no reason to increase the
 sensor density without end. If I really do need more, I still have my film
 bodies and possibility to use Imacon scanner. No digital camera can beat 'em
 :) If even that's not enough, I have also some 6x6 cameras.
 But that's just my point of view.

 BR, Margus


I'm exactly the opposite, the small size of the K-7 was the biggest
draw for me (although the Oly E-30 ended up being my choice due to
offering a better everyday zoom in the 14-54 II at a  significantly
lower package cost). I don't like today's oversized bodies, my
preferred size is that of a mid-sized AF film body(think Nikon F801s
or Minolta Maxxum 7) down to a mid-sized MF film body (Nikon FM2n)



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Re: OT - Samsung NX10

2009-12-26 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de wrote:
 Brian Walters wrote:

 Just came across this while looking for something else.


 http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr/163567-samsung-nx10.html

 Does this have basically the same sensor as the K20/K7?

 What puzzles me more: what kind of mount is this? I can't imagine that
 Samsung does want to build a full range of lenses on their own.

 - Martin


It's a short register mount like Micro-4/3rds and will likely have an
available K mount adapter which supports auto-aperture and possibly AF
with SDM lenses.

Given that lenses are a major profit centre, I'm pretty sure Samsung
wants to get into them when possible.



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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Doug Franklin

Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card



On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote:


I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT.


Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and those 
are generally available for under US$50 here in the States.


Mike has the silent version of the Asus that I used up until I thought it 
had croaked.

Mine has a fan, but I didn't think it was terribly noisy.
I'm pretty sure is isn't croaked though.
Anyway, it is really a very nice board.

William Robb 



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GESO here's one for Knarf

2009-12-26 Thread Larry Colen
About a week ago, when I left the dojo after the morning Aikido class,  
the weather was too nice to do what I was supposed to, so I went down  
to Pacific Ave in Santa Cruz, grabbed a bite to eat then spent some  
time wandering around the area learning to shoot with my 20mm lens.  I  
was somewhat surprised at how educational it can be to go on a photo  
walk with a new focal length, especially one that isn't in the  
standard range.  I'd say that my chief lesson of the day is to use a  
wide angle lens to include more of the background, no matter how much  
of the frame the primary subject fills.


With all of the work that I've been doing on the house, I didn't get  
around to processing those shots until this afternoon. When I was  
processing them, I saw this street shot of a 20ish year old roadbike  
and thought of Frank, so I processed it in black and white:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4217410740/in/set-72157622951220933/


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Re: Boris PESO #44

2009-12-26 Thread Larry Colen


On Dec 26, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!

Usually I am photo-active during the weekend. So, I reckon it will  
be the last photo until the next week or likely until the next year...


I realize it is imitation of Godfrey's, but what can I do.

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-044.html

Be brutal and honest.


It really sucks

that I didn't take that shot.

I like it.

I was just thinking that it would be a fun challenge to pick a member  
of the list and have everyone who wanted to play take and post a  
picture or two in their style. I have to admit that I'm a little  
curious about what people see my style as.  People would probably each  
post galleries of 327 photos of just about anything, many shot when  
normal people are sound asleep.




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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/12/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

  Tears forming...  choking up...

That Australian beer'll do that to you.

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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Cotty
On 27/12/09, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I recently read somewhere that
OSX does not support eSATA hotswap. It may have been outdated
information, but it could be worth the bother to check out before
buying.

This page may be of help:

http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/faq-esata.php

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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist

On Dec 26, 2009, at 6:10 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

 eSATA is absolutely fabulous when it works. My laptop has a good
 hot-swap support for eSATA. My stationary is a little more quirky,
 allowing dismounting an remounting if the disk was present at startup,
 but not otherwise. But that's Windows. I recently read somewhere that
 OSX does not support eSATA hotswap. It may have been outdated
 information, but it could be worth the bother to check out before
 buying.
 
I turn drives off  or unplug them all the time. OSX issues a warning that a 
device was removed and data may have been damaged. Data is never damaged. Not 
once in probably 1000 removals. I also plug drives in or turn them on randomly. 
OSX doesn't seem to care about that and mounts them immediately. Ignorance is 
bliss:-).
Paul
 Jostein
 
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 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not an SATA. I'll pick up another enclosure. The
 last one I bought isn't really an enclosure, it's just a dock. It's called
 EZ- Dock, and it's made by a company called Kingwin. The drive plugs into a
 slot and stands up vertically. With no enclosure it seems to run quite cool.
 I think the dock sells for around twenty bucks.
 
 I use a dock system along side my integrated external drives, the dock
 unit connects via USB2, Firewire and eSATA, the latter being my
 preference as it makes the drive as fast as the internal unit. I
 generally use the dock and drive to make live clones of my system
 partitions. The Vantec enclosures/docks are pretty good, if you do go
 for an enclosure try to get one that has a dual supply, ie 5v + 12v.
 
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Re: OT: Hard drive enclosures?

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27/12/2009, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 I turn drives off  or unplug them all the time. OSX issues a warning that a 
 device was removed and data may have been damaged. Data is never damaged. Not 
 once in probably 1000 removals. I also plug drives in or turn them on 
 randomly. OSX doesn't seem to care about that and mounts them immediately. 
 Ignorance is bliss:-).

The potential for data loss in the case of removable drives is due to
data not being written back to the drive from the RAM cache, it
depends how the OS is configured. Windows XP and up provide an option
to optimise external drive for performance (with cache enabled) or
quick removal (cache disabled), I would assume the current Mac O/S's
have a similar configuration option. Luck comes into it too of course
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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread mike wilson

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin
Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card



On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote:


I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT.



Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and 
those are generally available for under US$50 here in the States.



Mike has the silent version of the Asus that I used up until I thought 
it had croaked.

Mine has a fan, but I didn't think it was terribly noisy.
I'm pretty sure is isn't croaked though.
Anyway, it is really a very nice board.


I think mine cost me about £60.  Another plus.

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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

2009-12-26 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson

Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card



I think mine cost me about £60.  Another plus.


Good deal. I think mine was closer to 3x that amount.

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

2009-12-26 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:28 -0600, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Wow!  That's up close  personal!  Cute bird.  Hope you're having a great 
 time.  Cheers, Christine


Cute!??

Kookaburras have many attractive features but I don't think 'cute' is
among them - especially when one swoops down and steals a sausage off
your picnic table

:-)


Cheers

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 Subject: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under
 
 
  http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
 
  You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)
 
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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
Ken Rockwell made gravity, but it was under saturated for him.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 If Isaac Newton hadn't discovered gravity, one of us surely would have.

 :-)

 Tom

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 I wonder if cumulative wisdom of PDML (quotes) can ever approach that of the
 man who's birthday is being celebrated in the subject line...

 ;-)

 Boris

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 There's nothing like gathering around the calculus tree, exchanging
 gifts (to observe everyone's action and reaction) and later conducting
 some (alcohol-induced) experiments in the effects of gravity.

 And in honor of Sir Isac's birthday, I'm starting a new tradition by
 presenting my annual gift (the PDML Quotations List) today. Enjoy:
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Re: Happy Isaac Newton's Birthday!

2009-12-26 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:14 +0100, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Same procedure as every year.
 With one exception; both of my scores are deliberate this year.
 
 Spank you Mark.


Mark!!



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Re: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:
Thats better.;-)

Nice flower, good detail.

I'd just nip that bit of green at the bottom off.

Dave
 Whups!

 Pardon the the-neuron-you-have-reached-is-not-in-service moment; forgot
 to scale that at all.

 Try
 http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wZcVQxu9JTbWUCvkzoGGYw?feat=directlink
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Christmas morning fire

2009-12-26 Thread Tim Bray
There was a nasty little file in a 2nd-rate commercial district of
Vancouver yesterday morning.  Not relevant to anything, but I thought
the local paper's photog's work was outstanding.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Gallery+Christmas+morning+fire+strikes+Vancouver/2379986/story.html

BTW, the businesses that burned down included a medical-cannabis
dispensary.  Maybe that's why the photog had to crank the saturation
so the pictures would look the way he saw it. -T

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Re: GESO here's one for Knarf

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist
Nice framing of the bike. But the background is too distracting. A lot going on 
back there.
Paul
On Dec 26, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 About a week ago, when I left the dojo after the morning Aikido class, the 
 weather was too nice to do what I was supposed to, so I went down to Pacific 
 Ave in Santa Cruz, grabbed a bite to eat then spent some time wandering 
 around the area learning to shoot with my 20mm lens.  I was somewhat 
 surprised at how educational it can be to go on a photo walk with a new focal 
 length, especially one that isn't in the standard range.  I'd say that my 
 chief lesson of the day is to use a wide angle lens to include more of the 
 background, no matter how much of the frame the primary subject fills.
 
 With all of the work that I've been doing on the house, I didn't get around 
 to processing those shots until this afternoon. When I was processing them, I 
 saw this street shot of a 20ish year old roadbike and thought of Frank, so I 
 processed it in black and white:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4217410740/in/set-72157622951220933/
 
 
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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist
Excellent pic, as usual. Keep 'em coming.
Paul
On Dec 26, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Christian wrote:

 Thanks, Christine.  Having a great time with the in-laws.  This kookaburra 
 was very patient with me and let me get multiple angles from just a few yards 
 away.
 
 
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Re: PESO: Merry, Merry

2009-12-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10401013

Hello Kitty leads to dating bikers at age 14.  Must be true, I read it
on the Internet. But think of the savings on college tuition. -T

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Re: GESO - On Christmas Morning - GDG

2009-12-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 With felicitations and salutations for all folks on the turn of the year ...

   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/on-christmas-morning

Lovely.

I suspect most here already know this, but for the one or two who
might not: It's really easy to make a customized calendar with your
pictures. Download templates (they come in Excel, PDF, whatever), drop
your pictures in, print on letter-size matte photo paper, get it bound
at any old office-services store.  Guaranteed to make grandparents
melt in front of your eyes.  -T

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Re: PESO: Merry, Merry

2009-12-26 Thread paul stenquist
The kitty is king here. Hopefully, college won't be my problem. Did that four 
times already to the tune of about half a million. One more? Perhaps.
Paul

On Dec 26, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, paul stenquist
 pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10401013
 
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Re: GESO Paris by PS

2009-12-26 Thread Rick Womer

--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:


 What's so bad about adobe's flash? I like it.
 

Things load s-l-o-w-l-y.  One is given less time than one wants with some pix, 
and more time than one wants with others.

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Re: GESO - On Christmas Morning - GDG

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:

  http://www.gdgphoto.com/2009-holiday_cards/html/

 :-)

Thanks, Godfrey!  I especially like Little Polar Bears and Holiday
Lights (but they're all quite good).

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 26/12/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

  Tears forming...  choking up...

 That Australian beer'll do that to you.

I thought it might be more the result of Australian wine.

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Re: Christmas morning fire

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 There was a nasty little file in a 2nd-rate commercial district of
 Vancouver yesterday morning.  Not relevant to anything, but I thought
 the local paper's photog's work was outstanding.

 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Gallery+Christmas+morning+fire+strikes+Vancouver/2379986/story.html

 BTW, the businesses that burned down included a medical-cannabis
 dispensary.  Maybe that's why the photog had to crank the saturation
 so the pictures would look the way he saw it. -T

Maybe the photographer was really an incognito Ken Rockwell...

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Re: amaryllis

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote:

 Try
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That's quite beautiful!

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PESO - At Saint Lawrence Market

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
Not much more than a slice o' life (or should that be a slice of
meat?) shot.  St. Lawrence Market is downtown Toronto's largest
indoor market, with lots of meat, cheese, bread and fruit/vegetable
vendors.  I actually rarely buy anything there as there are cheaper
places in town, but it's a fun place to visit.  Hope you enjoy:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/at-saint-lawrence-market.html

Comments always welcome.

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Re: GESO here's one for Knarf

2009-12-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Nice framing of the bike. But the background is too distracting. A lot going 
 on back there.

I have to agree with Paul here (although I recognize that I can be the
king of distracting backgrounds).  Interesting lugs on that old thing.
 Did you notice what make of bike it is?

Looks like it's seen better days, but still, all bikes are beautiful
(in their own way).  As Paul said, the framing of the bike is very
well done, and I like the conversion, too.

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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Brian Walters
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:13 -0500, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
  On 26/12/09, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
   Tears forming...  choking up...
 
  That Australian beer'll do that to you.
 
 I thought it might be more the result of Australian wine.


I don't mind jokes at the expense of Australian beer, but them's
fightin' words.. 





Cheers

Brian

Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia


 cheers,
 frank
 
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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread Dario Bonazza

I learn something everyday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shag


Me too. Unfortunately I also forget something every day, hence I'm unsure of 
the balance.


Dario 



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Re: Christian let you all down but I won't!

2009-12-26 Thread gldnbearz
Thanks, Mark.  Quite nice. sniff That pretty much covers the lists
preference for birds and drinks.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 CORMORANTS FOR CHRISTMAS (by Speck Roberts)

 Cormorants for Christmas,
 They make me very glad!
 (A Christmas without cormorants,
 Ought never to be had!)

 If you've no cormorants this year,
 I surely wish you well,
 But you won't have as much fun as,
 We of the PDML.

 I've found most congenial way,
 This day to celebrate,
 I'll raise my glass until I drink,
 Frank's horizons straight.

 It's Cotty whom we have to thank,
 For all this cormorant fun,
 It's clear he's gone to the dark side,
 In more ways than just one.

 But Christian was first to see,
 The ideal that we seek:
 A dirty, smelly seabird,
 With a dead fish in its beak.

 Paul Stenquist shoots a lot of cars,
 In motion and at rest,
 But - no offense - we all prefer,
 Snaps of his grandkids best.

 Should any PDML member,
 Get a little out of hand,
 We know Bill Robb will offer,
 A gentle reprimand.

 And when Doug Brewer gets upset,
 You'll surely hear him shout,
 The traditional invective:
 Marnie, clean your mailbox out!

 The PDML's official drink?
 Of course it is tequila,
 ('Cause it's the only word I know,
 That rhymes with Christine Aguila)

 Shall we renounce our cormorants?
 Not till it snows in hell!
 (Or not, at least, until Dave Brooks,
 Learns how to type and spell).

 And so another Christmas day,
 Is almost in the bag,
 I wish you all a cormorant,
 Or at least a damn good shag.

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