Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread mike wilson

Cotty wrote:

Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could
really get my chance to justify the holocaust...


Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there.  At least one list 
memeber in Krakow, also.


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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-04 Thread mike wilson

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose
Sting is native enough, isn't he?


If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native
English speaker or not.



I have a biography of his life prior to The Police somewhere (or I
gave it to my brother). IIRC his mother or father came from the Isle
of Man, but he was born and grew up in Wallsend, Northumberland (near
Newcastle On Tyne).

Native English speaker ... I can't judge. That's awfully close to
Scotland ... ];-)



Wallsend is England's equivalent to RabCNesbittland.
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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread DagT

When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...



The same time that we start referring to darkroom work as analogue post 
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Gasha

Welcome to the club!

Gasha, 6x7/MLU/75mm

Jens wrote:

Hi guys
Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out and bought 
one :-)
I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's. Mostly used by fashion 
photographers, of which there are not many left in this studio. The photographer I spoke 
to told me, that theys used to have an extra Pentax 67, because there was always one in 
for repair. As he said, If you pull 200 rolls through it every day, it's got brake 
sooner or later.

Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered Prism and a 
90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter lens for studio 
work. And perhaps a 55mm.

Regards
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Re: GESO: Quake (#3)

2010-11-04 Thread David Mann
On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 You're pretty good with a cell phone.  what kind is it?

Thanks, but all I do is point the thing and press the button.

It's a fairly basic model, Sony Ericsson K610i.  I bought it 3 years ago after 
I broke my T100 in the same fall that broke my collarbone.

Cheers,
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Re: Re: Enablement: Pentax 67 - user manual

2010-11-04 Thread Jens
Thanks Gasha
Do anyone her happen to have a pdf manual for the camera nad prism finder?
Or know where to find these for free?
Regards
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On Nov 4, 2010 09:35 Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote:
 Welcome to the club!
 Gasha, 6x7/MLU/75mm
 
 Jens wrote:
  Hi guys
  Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out
  and bought one :-)
  I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's.
  Mostly used by fashion photographers, of which there are not many
  left in this studio. The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys
  used to have an extra Pentax 67, because there was always one in for
  repair. As he said, If you pull 200 rolls through it every day,
  it's got brake sooner or later.
  
  Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered
  Prism and a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf
  shutter lens for studio work. And perhaps a 55mm.
  
  Regards
  Jens
   
  
  
 
 
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Re: Re: Enablement: Pentax 67 - user manual

2010-11-04 Thread Dario Bonazza

Jens wrote:


Do anyone her happen to have a pdf manual for the camera nad prism finder?
Or know where to find these for free?


http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/manuals-and-literature/

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Re: Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Jens
Go for it, Nick.
They seem to be getting cheaper each day :-) Although I've noticed, that on 
ebay the prices seem to vary a great deal. For instance a 165mm LS lens (which 
I want soon) seem to sell for sometimes 100 USD and sometimes 500 USD, 
according to completed listings.

Regards
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On Nov 3, 2010 23:40 Nick David Wright pedalsandpr...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Nice.
 I've so far been able to resist the urge to get one. But every time I
 think about it I feel my resolve weakening.
 
 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
  Jens wrote:
 
  Hi guys
  Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out
  and
  bought one :-)
  I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's.
  Mostly
  used by fashion photographers, of which there are not many left in
  this
  studio. The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys used to
  have an
  extra Pentax 67, because there was always one in for repair. As he
  said, If
  you pull 200 rolls through it every day, it's got brake sooner or
  later.
 
  Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered
  Prism
  and a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter
  lens for
  studio work. And perhaps a 55mm.
 
  Hey Jens, looks like a new (actually older  cheaper) brotherhood is
  getting
  together, as I bought one from Paul not long ago! Now I own a 6x7
  body with
  wooden grip, its metered prism and a SMC Takumar 105mm f/2.4 lens.
  Not put
  any roll of film through it yet.
 
  Dario
 
 
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Thibouille
Jens, you only fuel my wants to get one myself (or at least a 645/66).
I'm certain you will produce beautiful work with it.

Cheers

Thibs


2010/11/3 Jens p...@planfoto.dk:
 Hi guys
 Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out and bought 
 one :-)
 I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's. Mostly used 
 by fashion photographers, of which there are not many left in this studio. 
 The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys used to have an extra Pentax 
 67, because there was always one in for repair. As he said, If you pull 200 
 rolls through it every day, it's got brake sooner or later.

 Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered Prism and 
 a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter lens for studio 
 work. And perhaps a 55mm.

 Regards
 Jens



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Re: Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Jens
Thanks.
Yes film is great - again. I believe that the digital photography revolution 
have really killed many of the bad or not so good labs. No developing at the 
nearest street corner anymore. Now we MUST go to a real pro-lab. And when we 
do, we get excellent high rez. negs, that will scan to 50-100 MegaPixel. 
Brilliant!

BTW: At the pro studio, where I bougt my camera, I could see there were still 
some film wrappings lying arround. So, it seems that some pro's are actually 
still shooting film :-)

Reagards
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On Nov 3, 2010 23:45 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/11/3 Nick David Wright pedalsandpr...@gmail.com:
  Nice.
 
  I've so far been able to resist the urge to get one. But every time
  I
  think about it I feel my resolve weakening.
 
 same here... film has its attraction... congrats Jens! Enjoy!
 
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Re: Small GESO - from the recent trip to Chicago

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Hmmm, the pictures are really wonderful, including that of an odd fellow 
in the restaurant of some sort *friendly grin*. But where's Frank? I 
wanna see Frank's picture *broad grin*.


Glad to have you back with these most enjoyable pictures, Ann!

Boris


On 11/3/2010 5:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/An-October-Journey/14271775_LM676#1055407741_ErPnT


The one of Paul Stenquist was with my cell phone...

All others with the dark side camera. I had intended to take the 28mm
Pentax lens with me to shoot when I could but discovered
on route that I had packed the wrong lens in my bag - the one without
the adaptor on it :(

This was certainly not a photo trip but doing some stuff helped me deal
with what had to be dealt with. sorry not to
be making more noise on list right now - I'm back but not quite back :-)

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Re: Pentax Photo Gallery acceptance + semi-OT question

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/3/2010 6:38 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Hi all,

OK, I'll get the boasting out of the way, first: I found out yesterday
that I've had three more of my submissions accepted, and one declined,
for the Pentax Photo Gallery. I'll take those odds! I still have two of
my original submissions pending, and two new ones uploaded since I got
my first rejection. And, in all honesty, I'm somewhat surprised at my
accept/reject rate. I submitted seven shots originally, and was happy to
have one of them accepted, much less four!

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert


Well done, sir!

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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Thibouille
My take on this is the following:

There's no wonder that cameras do indeed change the exact values of
exposure parameters. This is nothing new.
Oe will display 1/30 at f/2.8 (AV mode) when really the camera decided
to use 1/27 but for clarity purposes, displays 1/30.
I have no problem with that.

The problem I have is when the manufacturer decides to ALWAYS use a
number instead of another.
If you use two cameras with same sensor and same 3rd party lens and
you get (for 2 fixed parameters) a third parameter completely
different, it sucks.
With reviews as they are done now (good or bad) the fact that some
cameras (yes, Nikon being one of them but Pentax might be as well)
display (always) Iso6400 but use Iso5000 is nothing but a lie.
Of course the review favors the Nikon because High Isos are better. Uh...
Strangely the accuracy of displayed values are almost NEVER tested.

Same goes for max shutter speed. The rule was (I dunno how it is in
digital age, really) that the the max shutter speed has the interest
to garantee the the second one is indeed accurate.
Even 10-15 years ago, Penatx cameras has a 1/100 flash sync which was
accurate. Most competing Canikon cameras has a 1/125 sync but they all
were in fact 1/100.

Those are bold lies and should be presented as such.


Thibs.

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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 My take on this is the following:
 
  ... snip ...

 With reviews as they are done now (good or bad) the fact that some
 cameras (yes, Nikon being one of them but Pentax might be as well)
 display (always) Iso6400 but use Iso5000 is nothing but a lie.
 Of course the review favors the Nikon because High Isos are better. Uh...
 Strangely the accuracy of displayed values are almost NEVER tested.
 
 Same goes for max shutter speed. The rule was (I dunno how it is in
 digital age, really) that the the max shutter speed has the interest
 to garantee the the second one is indeed accurate.
 Even 10-15 years ago, Penatx cameras has a 1/100 flash sync which was
 accurate. Most competing Canikon cameras has a 1/125 sync but they all
 were in fact 1/100.
 
 Those are bold lies and should be presented as such.

First you want honesty in advertising? What next? Honesty in politics? 
Politeness on mailing lists? A Pentax with decent autofocus?



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Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/10, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there.  At least one list
memeber in Krakow, also.

Thanks. On a coach straight from Krakow to Auschwitz and then return
some hours later. 5am flight from Gatwick, so hotel night before and
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread paul stenquist
My 165/4LS, which was truly mint, went for $175. I had purchased it new from a 
store that was going out of business for the same price about seven years ago. 
My 55/4 -- the most recent and most desirable version of the three 55 mm 
lenses-- went for $326. It was also in like new condition. 
Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Jens wrote:

 Go for it, Nick.
 They seem to be getting cheaper each day :-) Although I've noticed, that on 
 ebay the prices seem to vary a great deal. For instance a 165mm LS lens 
 (which I want soon) seem to sell for sometimes 100 USD and sometimes 500 USD, 
 according to completed listings.
 
 Regards
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 On Nov 3, 2010 23:40 Nick David Wright pedalsandpr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Nice.
 I've so far been able to resist the urge to get one. But every time I
 think about it I feel my resolve weakening.
 
 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Jens wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out
 and
 bought one :-)
 I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's.
 Mostly
 used by fashion photographers, of which there are not many left in
 this
 studio. The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys used to
 have an
 extra Pentax 67, because there was always one in for repair. As he
 said, If
 you pull 200 rolls through it every day, it's got brake sooner or
 later.
 
 Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered
 Prism
 and a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter
 lens for
 studio work. And perhaps a 55mm.
 
 Hey Jens, looks like a new (actually older  cheaper) brotherhood is
 getting
 together, as I bought one from Paul not long ago! Now I own a 6x7
 body with
 wooden grip, its metered prism and a SMC Takumar 105mm f/2.4 lens.
 Not put
 any roll of film through it yet.
 
 Dario
 
 
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67 - user manual

2010-11-04 Thread Gasha

also check this link:

http://www.antiquecameras.net/pentax6x7lenses.html

G

Dario Bonazza wrote:

Jens wrote:

Do anyone her happen to have a pdf manual for the camera nad prism 
finder?

Or know where to find these for free?


http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/manuals-and-literature/

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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Gasha


What was your impression about 55/4 ?
Is it worth to get it ?

I didnt had luck to get reasonable price on ebay...

Gasha

paul stenquist wrote:
My 165/4LS, which was truly mint, went for $175. I had purchased it new from a store that was going out of business for the same price about seven years ago. My 55/4 -- the most recent and most desirable version of the three 55 mm lenses-- went for $326. It was also in like new condition. 
Paul

On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Jens wrote:


Go for it, Nick.
They seem to be getting cheaper each day :-) Although I've noticed, that on 
ebay the prices seem to vary a great deal. For instance a 165mm LS lens (which 
I want soon) seem to sell for sometimes 100 USD and sometimes 500 USD, 
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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Thibouille
Hehe, got your point Larry but there's a difference between promoting
the good things of a product (not stating bad ones) and bold lies.
I'll add that politics lies are no reason to accept lies everywhere
else except maybe if this is the world one wants to live in.

2010/11/4 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 My take on this is the following:

  ... snip ...

 With reviews as they are done now (good or bad) the fact that some
 cameras (yes, Nikon being one of them but Pentax might be as well)
 display (always) Iso6400 but use Iso5000 is nothing but a lie.
 Of course the review favors the Nikon because High Isos are better. Uh...
 Strangely the accuracy of displayed values are almost NEVER tested.

 Same goes for max shutter speed. The rule was (I dunno how it is in
 digital age, really) that the the max shutter speed has the interest
 to garantee the the second one is indeed accurate.
 Even 10-15 years ago, Penatx cameras has a 1/100 flash sync which was
 accurate. Most competing Canikon cameras has a 1/125 sync but they all
 were in fact 1/100.

 Those are bold lies and should be presented as such.

 First you want honesty in advertising? What next? Honesty in politics? 
 Politeness on mailing lists? A Pentax with decent autofocus?



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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Nick David Wright
Maybe about the same time we stop referring to 35mm-sized imaging
sensors as full-frame?

;-)

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:31 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...



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Re: PESO One more Teresa (GESO addition)

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker

On 10-11-03 9:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


If you liked Teresa, I added one more shot of her in body-building mode to my 
mini GESO ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/5143832857/lightbox/

I like it.

The one suggestion I'd make is that there are some details in the back ground 
that haven't quite blown out, finish the job and bring the background to a 
solid, continuous white.

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For you, Larry: done!  :)

Good suggestion, and I went back and did that to image #3 as well.  The 
darkish strip down the left side has been bugging me anyway.  I was 
afraid it would mean a trip into Photoshop, but I've figured out how to 
use the Adjustment Brush in ACR to do it. I'm getting rather handy with 
Camera Raw now. :)


Thanks, Larry!

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Re: OT - Atomic Bomb Test Photographs

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
I didn't see any references to Harold Edgerton, Papa Flash, in the bomb photos.
He formed a company EGG and created a special camera to capture the blasts.
Mechanical shutters were way too slow to stop a blast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapatronic_camera
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Fascinating, Cotty.  Thanks for posting.  Darrel  I had a look and just
 kept saying wow, wow, wow.  Cheers, Christine


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 Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:39 PM
 Subject: OT - Atomic Bomb Test Photographs


 Wondrous, shocking, frightening, all at once.

 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/09/14/science/20100914_atom.html

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Re: PESO One more Teresa (GESO addition)

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker

Thank you very much, Paul.

-bmw

On 10-11-03 9:24 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

Good one. Love that glow.
Paul
On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


If you liked Teresa, I added one more shot of her in body-building mode to my 
mini GESO ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/5143832857/lightbox/

K20D, DA* 16-50mm @ 43mm, f/2.8, 1/45th sec, ISO 800.
Silver 40 reflector below and slightly camera-left.  [Scary look intended in 
this one. :) ]


The 3-shot gallery is here (I removed the WB-impaired shot until I can fix it) 
...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157625284661826/show/


I really appreciate the feedback you've given me, and thanks to everyone who 
has looked and commented.

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Re: PESO One more Teresa (GESO addition)

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker

Power which, I feel, is reflected in her eyes too.

Thank you, Steven!

-bmw


On 10-11-03 9:31 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I like this one.  It's kind of a glam shot but there is a clear hint
of power in that muscle definition.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:24 PM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:

Good one. Love that glow.
Paul
On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


If you liked Teresa, I added one more shot of her in body-building mode to my 
mini GESO ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/5143832857/lightbox/

K20D, DA* 16-50mm @ 43mm, f/2.8, 1/45th sec, ISO 800.
Silver 40 reflector below and slightly camera-left.  [Scary look intended in 
this one. :) ]


The 3-shot gallery is here (I removed the WB-impaired shot until I can fix it) 
...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157625284661826/show/


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Re: PESO One more Teresa (GESO addition)

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker

Thank you, Christine.

-bmw


On 10-11-03 11:19 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
What Paul Said.  the 1st one of the 3-shot gallery--very, very nice! 
Cheers, Christine



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Good one. Love that glow.
Paul
On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

If you liked Teresa, I added one more shot of her in body-building 
mode to my mini GESO ...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/5143832857/lightbox/

K20D, DA* 16-50mm @ 43mm, f/2.8, 1/45th sec, ISO 800.
Silver 40 reflector below and slightly camera-left.  [Scary look 
intended in this one. :) ]



The 3-shot gallery is here (I removed the WB-impaired shot until I 
can fix it) ...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157625284661826/show/ 




I really appreciate the feedback you've given me, and thanks to 
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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread Thibouille
But yes, you did. That's what I was after.
I don't ask anyone to like it. Just to do it.
If you hate it, you'll love digital way of doing things a lot more.

But then if have quite some convenience you probably did not get:
1/ the Durst are fully automatic, meaning it will do the math itself
if you change grade. Grade filters are built-in etc.
Really, simple as it could be. As or the chemistry, the machine does
it for us (obviously RC paper). Nada. Nothing else.
3 minutes later the picture arrives, cleaned and not even wet. Just
done. Couldn't be easier, could it?

Now, if one begins the hard way, yep, I see how one could be disgusted
very easily.

2010/11/1 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 On 10/28/2010 3:32 PM, Thibouille wrote:

 Those who never had the opportunity to develop/make prints from films,
 you dunno what you're missing. Just do it !

 No, thank you so much. Did it several times, and had no fun at all. It was
 neither fun nor its opposite - just some patient preparations and waiting. I
 much rather pay for someone who is really professional and proficient in it.

 Boris (the heretic)

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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread P N Stenquist
The last version of the 55/4, with the lens information printed on the  
tapered end of the focusing barrel (like an SMC-A lens) is excellent.  
The 55/4 that precedes it was not.

Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Gasha wrote:



What was your impression about 55/4 ?
Is it worth to get it ?

I didnt had luck to get reasonable price on ebay...

Gasha

paul stenquist wrote:
My 165/4LS, which was truly mint, went for $175. I had purchased it  
new from a store that was going out of business for the same price  
about seven years ago. My 55/4 -- the most recent and most  
desirable version of the three 55 mm lenses-- went for $326. It was  
also in like new condition. Paul

On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Jens wrote:

Go for it, Nick.
They seem to be getting cheaper each day :-) Although I've  
noticed, that on ebay the prices seem to vary a great deal. For  
instance a 165mm LS lens (which I want soon) seem to sell for  
sometimes 100 USD and sometimes 500 USD, according to completed  
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have an old-style 6X7.  It is a wonderful camera.  I have a few
rolls of film in the freezer, and one of these days, I'm going to go
out and re-live the good old days.

Most of the folks who used to develop my film and make reasonable
priced contacts are long gone, unfortunately, so developing the film
will be more difficult and expensive than it used to be, but still
worth it.

Congratulations!

Dan
http://tinyurl.com/matyola

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote:
 Hi guys
 Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out and bought 
 one :-)
 I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's. Mostly used 
 by fashion photographers, of which there are not many left in this studio. 
 The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys used to have an extra Pentax 
 67, because there was always one in for repair. As he said, If you pull 200 
 rolls through it every day, it's got brake sooner or later.

 Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered Prism and 
 a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter lens for studio 
 work. And perhaps a 55mm.

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Re: PESO - Halloween Lights

2010-11-04 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Frank!  Sometime I may try playing with the luminance sliders to see if 
I can improve the appearance of sharpness.

Rick

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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 8:41 PM
 On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM, paul
 stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  I like the fading DOF, but I wish the first pumpkin
 was a bit sharper. Although light diffusion may be to blame
 for the perceived softness. But a very nice concept and
 composition.
 
 I agree with Paul.
 
 Very well done!
 
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Re: Enablement: Pentax 67

2010-11-04 Thread David J Brooks
I still have my 6x7 with metered prism and the 90 2.8 and the 200 Tak.
I shot a few rolls of BW in 2007 i think it was. There is a Blacks
camera not to far from me that still does processing and scanning. I
should run a few rolls through it. Have to check the fridge but should
have some BW as well as a few colour rolls .

Dave

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 I have an old-style 6X7.  It is a wonderful camera.  I have a few
 rolls of film in the freezer, and one of these days, I'm going to go
 out and re-live the good old days.

 Most of the folks who used to develop my film and make reasonable
 priced contacts are long gone, unfortunately, so developing the film
 will be more difficult and expensive than it used to be, but still
 worth it.

 Congratulations!

 Dan
 http://tinyurl.com/matyola

 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote:
 Hi guys
 Some of you may be giving a camera like this away - But I went out and 
 bought one :-)
 I went to visit a studio today to buy one of their Pentax 67's. Mostly used 
 by fashion photographers, of which there are not many left in this studio. 
 The photographer I spoke to told me, that theys used to have an extra Pentax 
 67, because there was always one in for repair. As he said, If you pull 200 
 rolls through it every day, it's got brake sooner or later.

 Anyway, I'm quite thrilled. Its got a nice wooden handle, a Metered Prism 
 and a 90mm f.2.8. Now I'll start looking for a 165mm leaf shutter lens for 
 studio work. And perhaps a 55mm.

 Regards
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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
Amen, Brother.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Nick David Wright
pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe about the same time we stop referring to 35mm-sized imaging
 sensors as full-frame?

 ;-)

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:31 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...



 The same time that we start referring to darkroom work as analogue post 
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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM, P. J. Alling
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 When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...

The same time i spell a post corectly

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Re: K-5 here, high iso samples

2010-11-04 Thread David J Brooks
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 From: David J Brooks

 I must say i'm impressed. So does CS5 support the K-5 then.??

 Doesn't look like it's in there yet. It does support the 645D.

Right now i am looking at cameras that my computers ie LR2 and CS1
will support.

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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Mat Maessen
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 First you want honesty in advertising? What next? Honesty in politics? 
 Politeness on mailing lists? A Pentax
 with decent autofocus?

MARK!

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Re: K-5 here, high iso samples

2010-11-04 Thread P N Stenquist
If you shoot RAW DNG, almost any conversion software will support the  
K-5.

Paul
On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:53 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:32 PM, John Sessoms  
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: David J Brooks


I must say i'm impressed. So does CS5 support the K-5 then.??


Doesn't look like it's in there yet. It does support the 645D.


Right now i am looking at cameras that my computers ie LR2 and CS1
will support.

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Re: Re: Enablement: Pentax 67 - user manual

2010-11-04 Thread John Sessoms
Looks like they're on the Pentax self-support site - 67, 67II and 67 TTL 
Pentaprism:


http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/manuals-and-literature/

From: Jens

Thanks Gasha
Do anyone her happen to have a pdf manual for the camera nad prism finder?
Or know where to find these for free?
Regards
Jens

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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen

On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Thibouille wrote:


My take on this is the following:


... snip ...



Those are bold lies and should be presented as such.



First you want honesty in advertising? What next? Honesty in
politics? Politeness on mailing lists? A Pentax with decent
autofocus?



Nah! I just want to be able to walk down the streets and hear people 
murmuring, Boy, that guy sure is *RICH*!, instead of the usual Ain't 
he good lookin'!


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K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Here are 2 photos from this morning, just after sunrise and just before.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread John Sessoms

From: Thibouille

But yes, you did. That's what I was after.
I don't ask anyone to like it. Just to do it.
If you hate it, you'll love digital way of doing things a lot more.

But then if have quite some convenience you probably did not get:
1/ the Durst are fully automatic, meaning it will do the math itself
if you change grade. Grade filters are built-in etc.
Really, simple as it could be. As or the chemistry, the machine does
it for us (obviously RC paper). Nada. Nothing else.
3 minutes later the picture arrives, cleaned and not even wet. Just
done. Couldn't be easier, could it?

Now, if one begins the hard way, yep, I see how one could be disgusted
very easily.



Ahhh! The old fashion hard way. That's where all the fun is in the 
darkroom.


If it's all automated equipment, if you don't get the joy of seeing the 
image begin to appear in the tray, you might as well send it off 
somewhere to be processed and printed.


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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

I am having a vague *grin* recollection of that park...

Boris

On 11/4/2010 4:55 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Here are 2 photos from this morning, just after sunrise and just before.
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Stan Halpin
I wish you would stop this Bob! I really don't have the time right now to 
list/sell my K20's and buy K-5's. And I don't have the ready funds to buy one 
without selling one or both of the K20's. So stop with the tempting photos 
already!

BTW, does it work in the daylight as well? Or is it a vampire camera that can 
only come out after dark?

stan

On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Here are 2 photos from this morning, just after sunrise and just before.
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Mighty crisp, Bob! Thanks for showing!

Jack

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 just after sunrise and just before.
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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 10:16:23PM -0500, P. J. Alling wrote:
 When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...
 

About the same time we stop using architect as a verb...

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks Jack,
I wanted to put an ISO 1600 sample out there and the deer cooperated
this morning.
With the ISO 400 crescent moon at the stop light, I couldn't help myself...  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Mighty crisp, Bob! Thanks for showing!

 Jack

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 Subject: K-5 sample photos - this AM
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 7:55 AM
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 just after sunrise and just before.
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am having a vague *grin* recollection of that park...

 Boris

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PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
I guess 400 is then new 100.

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 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am having a vague *grin* recollection of that park...

 Boris

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes Boris, that's the Arboretum, the same park we visited.
With sunrise at 7:26 AM today, it was a chance to catch the deer.
You can just see the lake in the background.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 I am having a vague *grin* recollection of that park...

 Boris

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Steve,
I like ISO 400 on the K-7 as well.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 I guess 400 is then new 100.

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 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am having a vague *grin* recollection of that park...

 Boris

 On 11/4/2010 4:55 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
yeah, yeah, stunningly beautiful, great to be alive, how glorious is
God's creation, etc.   That's all you got?

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
yeah, yeah, stunningly beautiful, great to be alive, how glorious is
God's creation, etc.   That's all you got?

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Stan,
Sorry.  It works in the daylight too.  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

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 I wish you would stop this Bob! I really don't have the time right now to 
 list/sell my K20's and buy K-5's. And I don't have the ready funds to buy one 
 without selling one or both of the K20's. So stop with the tempting photos 
 already!

 BTW, does it work in the daylight as well? Or is it a vampire camera that can 
 only come out after dark?

 stan

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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
We can work on half of that.  ;-)

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 From: Larry Colen

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 My take on this is the following:

 ... snip ...


 Those are bold lies and should be presented as such.



 First you want honesty in advertising? What next? Honesty in
 politics? Politeness on mailing lists? A Pentax with decent
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Dario Bonazza

Steven Desjardins wrote:


I guess 400 is then new 100.


So 200mm becomes 300mm and ISO 400 becomes 100... now I guess the in-depth 
meaning of digital.


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Re: K-5 here, high iso samples

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
I used to think RAW DNG was something you got at a Korean restaurant.

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 If you shoot RAW DNG, almost any conversion software will support the K-5.
 Paul
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 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:32 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
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 From: David J Brooks

 I must say i'm impressed. So does CS5 support the K-5 then.??

 Doesn't look like it's in there yet. It does support the 645D.

 Right now i am looking at cameras that my computers ie LR2 and CS1
 will support.

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Great light, stunning image.  It pays to be up early!
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
No..but it's my most successful in shooting around neighborhood street lights, 
etc. ;)

Thanks, Steve!!

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: This AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 8:15 AM
 yeah, yeah, stunningly beautiful,
 great to be alive, how glorious is
 God's creation, etc.   That's all you got?
 
 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541
 
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
I do like the vampire camera idea.  Wouldn't it have to be mirrorless?

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 Stan,
 Sorry.  It works in the daylight too.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 I wish you would stop this Bob! I really don't have the time right now to 
 list/sell my K20's and buy K-5's. And I don't have the ready funds to buy 
 one without selling one or both of the K20's. So stop with the tempting 
 photos already!

 BTW, does it work in the daylight as well? Or is it a vampire camera that 
 can only come out after dark?

 stan

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:13, Jack Davis wrote:

 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541
 

Neato!

We had a couple mornings in a row this week with similar lighting effects on 
the undersides of the clouds... but there I was, stuck on a freeway driving to 
work.  I had to take a picture with my eyes and be happy with that.

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Pleasing to read, Bob! Thanks! It pays especially well in the fall..and are 
lucky. :)


Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: This AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 8:19 AM
 Great light, stunning image.  It
 pays to be up early!
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
I've done that.  I've also thought about sending my eyes to Pentax USA
for some back focus adjustment.

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 On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:13, Jack Davis wrote:


 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541


 Neato!

 We had a couple mornings in a row this week with similar lighting effects on 
 the undersides of the clouds... but there I was, stuck on a freeway driving 
 to work.  I had to take a picture with my eyes and be happy with that.

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Work? Oh yeah, I remember that. (UGH!) Your time will come. More pollution will 
then make even better sunrises and sunsets. ;)

Appreciated words, Charles.

Jack 

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 From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
 Subject: Re: PESO: This AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 8:31 AM
 On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:13, Jack Davis
 wrote:
 
  
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541
  
 
 Neato!
 
 We had a couple mornings in a row this week with similar
 lighting effects on the undersides of the clouds... but
 there I was, stuck on a freeway driving to work.  I had
 to take a picture with my eyes and be happy with that.
 
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread eckinator
yeah with a sensor shaped something like the batman logo perhaps?

2010/11/4 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:
 I do like the vampire camera idea.  Wouldn't it have to be mirrorless?

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Stan,
 Sorry.  It works in the daylight too.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 I wish you would stop this Bob! I really don't have the time right now to 
 list/sell my K20's and buy K-5's. And I don't have the ready funds to buy 
 one without selling one or both of the K20's. So stop with the tempting 
 photos already!

 BTW, does it work in the daylight as well? Or is it a vampire camera that 
 can only come out after dark?

 stan

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

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 http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
LOL..

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: This AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 8:35 AM
 I've done that.  I've also
 thought about sending my eyes to Pentax USA
 for some back focus adjustment.
 
 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com
 wrote:
  On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:13, Jack Davis wrote:
 
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541
 
 
  Neato!
 
  We had a couple mornings in a row this week with
 similar lighting effects on the undersides of the clouds...
 but there I was, stuck on a freeway driving to work.  I had
 to take a picture with my eyes and be happy with that.
 
   -Charles
 
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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
Minimum ISO of 3200, only comes in black, shutter release is a little
pin pointing up.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah with a sensor shaped something like the batman logo perhaps?

 2010/11/4 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:
 I do like the vampire camera idea.  Wouldn't it have to be mirrorless?

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Stan,
 Sorry.  It works in the daylight too.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Stan Halpin
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 I wish you would stop this Bob! I really don't have the time right now to 
 list/sell my K20's and buy K-5's. And I don't have the ready funds to buy 
 one without selling one or both of the K20's. So stop with the tempting 
 photos already!

 BTW, does it work in the daylight as well? Or is it a vampire camera that 
 can only come out after dark?

 stan

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Here are 2 photos from this morning, just after sunrise and just before.
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Walker

On 10-10-28 9:32 AM, Thibouille wrote:

Those who never had the opportunity to develop/make prints from films,
you dunno what you're missing. Just do it !


Similarly, those who've never had the opportunity to program a computer 
by punching cards, adding job control to the deck, dropping the whole 
thing on the floor and having to re-sort it, submitting your job and 
waiting two weeks for a printout only to discover you had a missing 
semicolon -- you dunno what you're missing. Just do it! :)


Nah, in both cases, been there done with that.  When I want grainy, low 
contrast, fuzzy looking monochrome prints, I've got a PS plugin for that.


:)

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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread Thibouille
Agreed John but you get something usable to begin with.
Once you mastered the use of the enlarger, then you can proceed to the
chemistry part.
If you try to learn everything at once, no wonder people hate it ;)

2010/11/4 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 From: Thibouille

 But yes, you did. That's what I was after.
 I don't ask anyone to like it. Just to do it.
 If you hate it, you'll love digital way of doing things a lot more.

 But then if have quite some convenience you probably did not get:
 1/ the Durst are fully automatic, meaning it will do the math itself
 if you change grade. Grade filters are built-in etc.
 Really, simple as it could be. As or the chemistry, the machine does
 it for us (obviously RC paper). Nada. Nothing else.
 3 minutes later the picture arrives, cleaned and not even wet. Just
 done. Couldn't be easier, could it?

 Now, if one begins the hard way, yep, I see how one could be disgusted
 very easily.


 Ahhh! The old fashion hard way. That's where all the fun is in the
 darkroom.

 If it's all automated equipment, if you don't get the joy of seeing the
 image begin to appear in the tray, you might as well send it off somewhere
 to be processed and printed.

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The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
I shot a few hundred frames last night at a dress rehearsal. Took a K-7 and K-x 
with me, with a 77 1.8 lens and 50-135 2.8 lens. There were MANY people on the 
stage so both lenses ended up being a bit too long. But both had some problems 
with the dramatic lighting conditions. When I tried using 1600 ISO, the camera 
tended to blow out highlights (the singers' faces). I did try a few at 3200. 
The zoom was awkward to use under such low light, so the next time I will take 
the three limited lenses (31/43/77) and leave the long ordnance at home.  But I 
kept saying to myself I wish I had the K-5 for this. I could tell on my LCD 
that this high ISO frames were noisy. Just how I can handle that in 
PhotoShop/Bridge will tell me whether or not I have to get a K-5 before the 
next theater production. 

So, I'm keeping a close eye on these K-5 posts from early users. 

Jeffery

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Incredible sky, nicely captured.

Dan

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 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541

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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:31:02AM +0100, DagT wrote:
 
 When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...
 
 
 
 The same time that we start referring to darkroom work as analogue post 
 processing?

Which will be shortly after we stop dialing numbers on our cellphones ...


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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh I remember those painful days of punched cards.
Your program doesn't compile because of 3-4 syntax errors
(typos or misplaced commas or semicolons).
So you correct the 3 you find and resubmit the deck.
Of course, it fails because there was the 4th error you didn't see or
failed to correct.
Another 2 hours shot to shit waiting for the deck to be re-run!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10-10-28 9:32 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 Those who never had the opportunity to develop/make prints from films,
 you dunno what you're missing. Just do it !

 Similarly, those who've never had the opportunity to program a computer by
 punching cards, adding job control to the deck, dropping the whole thing on
 the floor and having to re-sort it, submitting your job and waiting two
 weeks for a printout only to discover you had a missing semicolon -- you
 dunno what you're missing. Just do it! :)

 Nah, in both cases, been there done with that.  When I want grainy, low
 contrast, fuzzy looking monochrome prints, I've got a PS plugin for that.

 :)

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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Dario Bonazza
When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom 
work...


.. just after stopping calling it 'Brightroom' (truly in use over here :-)

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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jeffery,
The removable square tab is so that when a polarizing filter is
mounted you can adjust it.
Lightroom 3 has some good noise reduction algorithms and Boris
mentioned liking Topaz.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I shot a few hundred frames last night at a dress rehearsal. Took a K-7 and 
 K-x with me, with a 77 1.8 lens and 50-135 2.8 lens. There were MANY people 
 on the stage so both lenses ended up being a bit too long. But both had some 
 problems with the dramatic lighting conditions. When I tried using 1600 ISO, 
 the camera tended to blow out highlights (the singers' faces). I did try a 
 few at 3200. The zoom was awkward to use under such low light, so the next 
 time I will take the three limited lenses (31/43/77) and leave the long 
 ordnance at home.  But I kept saying to myself I wish I had the K-5 for 
 this. I could tell on my LCD that this high ISO frames were noisy. Just how 
 I can handle that in PhotoShop/Bridge will tell me whether or not I have to 
 get a K-5 before the next theater production.

 So, I'm keeping a close eye on these K-5 posts from early users.

 Jeffery

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Re: PESO: This AM

2010-11-04 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Dan. In the future I'll just languish in bed and pull this up about 
10:00 AM. ;)

Jack

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 Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 9:33 AM
 Incredible sky, nicely captured.
 
 Dan
 
 http://tinyurl.com/matyola
 
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 wrote:
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=541
 
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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
I'm going to start editing tonight. I'll give the Topaz a look. I really need a 
new Mac (mine is 4 years old).

Jeffery


On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Jeffery,
 The removable square tab is so that when a polarizing filter is
 mounted you can adjust it.
 Lightroom 3 has some good noise reduction algorithms and Boris
 mentioned liking Topaz.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 I shot a few hundred frames last night at a dress rehearsal. Took a K-7 and 
 K-x with me, with a 77 1.8 lens and 50-135 2.8 lens. There were MANY people 
 on the stage so both lenses ended up being a bit too long. But both had some 
 problems with the dramatic lighting conditions. When I tried using 1600 ISO, 
 the camera tended to blow out highlights (the singers' faces). I did try a 
 few at 3200. The zoom was awkward to use under such low light, so the next 
 time I will take the three limited lenses (31/43/77) and leave the long 
 ordnance at home.  But I kept saying to myself I wish I had the K-5 for 
 this. I could tell on my LCD that this high ISO frames were noisy. Just how 
 I can handle that in PhotoShop/Bridge will tell me whether or not I have to 
 get a K-5 before the next theater production.
 
 So, I'm keeping a close eye on these K-5 posts from early users.
 
 Jeffery
 
 By the way, why does the hood of the 35-150 zoom have a square tab that is 
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Re: DXO and light loss with fast lenses

2010-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

Nah! I just want to be able to walk down the streets and hear people
murmuring, Boy, that guy sure is *RICH*!, instead of the usual Ain't
he good lookin'!

John you should try going out by yourself and not with you pal.


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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Miserere
On 4 November 2010 10:55, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here are 2 photos from this morning, just after sunrise and just before.
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#
 Regards,  Bob S.

Great, more logs to the fire  :-s


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Re: k-5 autofocus vs. Canon 5000 Mark II

2010-11-04 Thread Miserere
On 3 November 2010 21:33, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I've heard a few nice comments about the K5 AF.  Thus far I've treated
 them like UFO sightings, but maybe. . .

 Pentax has conditioned us to set our AF expectations so low that anything 
 that focuses within an hour in anything less than broad daylight will seem 
 like miraculous quality.

The K-5 appears to be faster than the K-7, at least in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4nv2QGktbw


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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Thanks Jack,
 I wanted to put an ISO 1600 sample out there and the deer cooperated
 this morning.
 With the ISO 400 crescent moon at the stop light, I couldn't help myself...  
 :-)

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Re: OT:Gmail filters

2010-11-04 Thread Steffen Zahn

Am 03.11.2010 23:05, schrieb Bob W:


does this mean you don't want to buy the Viagra?

B

Please don't mention the V-word in regular emails, that could mess up my 
self-learning spam filter ;-)


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Re: Minor question of Englsih

2010-11-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:16 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

 I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose
 Sting is native enough, isn't he?

 If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a
 native
 English speaker or not.


 I have a biography of his life prior to The Police somewhere (or I
 gave it to my brother). IIRC his mother or father came from the Isle
 of Man, but he was born and grew up in Wallsend, Northumberland (near
 Newcastle On Tyne).

 Native English speaker ... I can't judge. That's awfully close to
 Scotland ... ];-)


 Wallsend is England's equivalent to RabCNesbittland.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7VoFiagfs

Maybe that *is* native English ... !
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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...

What do you mean *we*? white man.

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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Nick David Wright
pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe about the same time we stop referring to 35mm-sized imaging
 sensors as full-frame?

GAAH!

Oh, did I say that with my outside voice? 0:-)

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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:31:02AM +0100, DagT wrote:
 


When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...

 

 


Digital Darkroom has a nice beat and you can dance to it
Post processing sounds like you are dealing with mailed packages

yeah, I'm back now

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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/4/2010 7:22 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

I'm going to start editing tonight. I'll give the Topaz a look. I really need a 
new Mac (mine is 4 years old).

Jeffery


Jeffery,

Topaz is giving you full (no watermarks, reduced size, etc) 30 days 
trial. I tried - it seems to be doing noticeably better job than 
LightRoom 3.2, though it is also very good compared to LR 2.x. So, I'm 
gonna buy it.


Your mileage may obviously be different.

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Re: OT:Gmail filters

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

On 11/4/2010 7:36 PM, Steffen Zahn wrote:

Please don't mention the V-word in regular emails, that could mess up my
self-learning spam filter ;-)

Steffen


Logical indeed.

But can this honorable community come up with at least one word starting 
with each and every letter of English alphabet, that shouldn't be 
mentioned...


Let the fun begin.

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Re: OT - Atomic Bomb Test Photographs

2010-11-04 Thread Miserere
On 3 November 2010 17:22, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Gaaa! Nuclear, not new-cue-lar!

 Oh well, Carter and Bush II couldn't pronounce it either.

 Jeffery

As a one-time nuclear physicist (sort of), this is a pet peeve of
mine. We should get one of these T-shirts, Jeff:

http://rlv.zcache.com/nucular_is_now_pronounced_nuclear_tshirt-p2350035787086046633370_400.jpg

Men's version, of course.

As for the photos, they frighten me...


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Re: JAlbum book review

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Late but actual follow up to my original review. I do apologize for 
unnecessarily protracted silence...


The interesting dimensions are:

1. Photograph on the front cover: 273 mm x 183 mm.
2. Vertical picture: 123 mm x 184 mm.
3. Horizontal picture: 230 mm x 184 mm.

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Re: My Photo courses till now..

2010-11-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 Agreed John but you get something usable to begin with.
 Once you mastered the use of the enlarger, then you can proceed to the
 chemistry part.
 If you try to learn everything at once, no wonder people hate it ;)
 

Been there, done that. Didn't hate it, actually loved it.  But I love 
digital post processing even more.  It's faster, easier, has more control, does 
a better job, you don't poor money down the drain if you don't use the computer 
for a couple of weeks  I probably wouldn't appreciate it nearly so much if 
I hadn't spent so much time in the darkroom.  Which probably has a lot to do 
with why I haven't taken all my darkroom supplies out of the boxes and set my 
darkroom back up.

By the way, did the punch card thing too. And time shared systems, and line 
editors rather than full screen editors.

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Re: K-5 sample photos - this AM

2010-11-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
probably true...

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Thanks Jack,
 I wanted to put an ISO 1600 sample out there and the deer cooperated
 this morning.
 With the ISO 400 crescent moon at the stop light, I couldn't help myself...  
 :-)

 Bob, I don't think that *anybody* could help you.


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Re: OT:Gmail filters

2010-11-04 Thread Tim Øsleby
A for Aperture Simulator (that's obvious)

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2010/11/4 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

 But can this honorable community come up with at least one word starting
 with each and every letter of English alphabet, that shouldn't be
 mentioned...

 Let the fun begin.

 Boris

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Re: Small GESO - from the recent trip to Chicago

2010-11-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Thanks to all who commented with  kind words and corny comments too ... 
as to some specifics ...



P N Stenquist wrote:

... But who's that scruffy old man with the hot dogs? Some  homeless 
guy you found in Detroit? :-))

Paul
On Nov 3, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/An-October-Journey/14271775_LM676#1055407741_ErPnT 



ann

No idea who that guy was...  he didn't know I took his photo ... but he 
did buy me a couple of coney dogs :-)



Boris Liberman wrote:

But where's Frank? I wanna see Frank's picture *broad grin*.

Frank.. you see that??? now you have to send me the snaps I took with 
your camera  .. Boris requests...

(glad you liked the Patches pic)

Miserere - too kind... even if you dissed Patches...;-)

all of you..
I get the feeling the fox photo that was preferred was the profile, not 
the one with the flower up his nose. .., true?


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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread John Graves

Betcha it's so the prism mounted flash is not blocked

John / WA1JG

On 11/4/2010 12:27 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:


By the way, why does the hood of the 35-150 zoom have a square tab that is 
removable?


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Re: Apropos of nothing really

2010-11-04 Thread Mark Roberts
When /will/ we stop referring to post processing as Digital Darkroom work...

Several years ago, as far as I can tell. I never used the term and I
can't remember the last time I heard anyone else do so.


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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread paul stenquist
No, the opening won't help the on-board flash work with this lens. The opening 
is for adjusting a polarizer. I use it all the time when shooting cars.
Paul

On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:11 PM, John Graves wrote:

 Betcha it's so the prism mounted flash is not blocked
 
 John / WA1JG
 
 On 11/4/2010 12:27 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 
 By the way, why does the hood of the 35-150 zoom have a square tab that is 
 removable?
 
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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
My Mac seems to struggle (run very slowly) with Lightroom and Aperture, so I've 
sort of avoided them until a get a screamer of a new computer. I give Topaz a 
run for the money this weekend when I edit 400-some shots.

What I'm not looking forward to is removing a microphone from the side of the 
face of nearly everyone in the muscical.

Jeffery

On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 11/4/2010 7:22 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 I'm going to start editing tonight. I'll give the Topaz a look. I really 
 need a new Mac (mine is 4 years old).
 
 Jeffery
 
 Jeffery,
 
 Topaz is giving you full (no watermarks, reduced size, etc) 30 days trial. I 
 tried - it seems to be doing noticeably better job than LightRoom 3.2, though 
 it is also very good compared to LR 2.x. So, I'm gonna buy it.
 
 Your mileage may obviously be different.
 
 Boris
 
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Boris Peso #47 - Topaz Cat (technical)

2010-11-04 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

Just bought Topaz Denoise. Here is an image I processed with it. K-5 is 
good, but I am not buying it - there is no need, really.


Have a look:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-47-topaz-cat.html

Please be brutal and honest, especially those of you who have experience 
working with noise reduction software, as I need to learn.


Thanks.

Boris

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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Mat Maessen
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 My Mac seems to struggle (run very slowly) with Lightroom and Aperture, so 
 I've sort of avoided them until a
 get a screamer of a new computer. I give Topaz a run for the money this 
 weekend when I edit 400-some
 shots.

How much memory do you have in it?

That may be all you need to make it run quite a bit faster. Cheaper
than a new computer.

-Mat

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Re: The K-5 vs K-x vs K-7

2010-11-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
Doubling the memory in it would probably make a big difference. I think it is 
2gb. I'm a novice with Macs (I did all sorts of hardware upgrades on my first 
few PCs). The Apple Store down here could do it, but they are nested in the 
most overcrowded mall in the metropolitan New Orleans area, so I would have to 
walk half a mile wit a huge computer under my arm.

What I NEED to do is scour YouTube for a video on how to increase your memory 
in a Mac.

Jeffery

On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 My Mac seems to struggle (run very slowly) with Lightroom and Aperture, so 
 I've sort of avoided them until a
 get a screamer of a new computer. I give Topaz a run for the money this 
 weekend when I edit 400-some
 shots.
 
 How much memory do you have in it?
 
 That may be all you need to make it run quite a bit faster. Cheaper
 than a new computer.
 
 -Mat
 
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Re: OT - Atomic Bomb Test Photographs

2010-11-04 Thread Jeffery Smith
As a full time biologist, they use it when talking about the nucleus of an atom 
and also as the nucleus of a cell. My cell physiology professor from 1970 used 
to blow a gasket when a student asked about the nuculus.

The Dean of Allied Health at my college can't pronounce it either, so he just 
says Nuke Med for nuclear medicine.

The worst, though, was the Nuclear Medicine Department at Tulane Medical 
School. They ordered a sign for the door, and it came back as Unclear Medicine 
Lab. They thought it was cute, and kept it on the door.

Jeffery

On Nov 4, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Miserere wrote:

 On 3 November 2010 17:22, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Gaaa! Nuclear, not new-cue-lar!
 
 Oh well, Carter and Bush II couldn't pronounce it either.
 
 Jeffery
 
 As a one-time nuclear physicist (sort of), this is a pet peeve of
 mine. We should get one of these T-shirts, Jeff:
 
 http://rlv.zcache.com/nucular_is_now_pronounced_nuclear_tshirt-p2350035787086046633370_400.jpg
 
 Men's version, of course.
 
 As for the photos, they frighten me...
 
 
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