Re: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[Joseph McAllister]

Ditto to what the others have opined. 

Man, that's some green green paint on that hull. Got an overall view of it?


On Dec 26, 2012, at 07:12 , SV Hovland wrote:

> The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
> are from the harbour in Stavanger.
> 
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
> 
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
> 
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> 
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
> 
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
> 
> 
> Stig Vidar Hovland
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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Dario Bonazza]

Oh, at Photokina, the D600 AF appeared worse than that in the K-5 II (but 
still better than that in my K-5), because the D600 had a small but 
noticeable delay in starting focusing once you pressed the button. After 
that, the D600 focusing was yet snappy and with no further adjustments 
(typical of Pentax AF).
Perhaps those trashing the D600 AF base their opinions on pre-production 
samples of that camera.

Dario

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In a couple occasions I had to compare D600 and K-5 (one was outdoor in late
afternoon of a grey day and the other time was an evening indoors in a
restaurant) the D600 autofocusing was noticeably better than the K-5. The
K-5 was hunting and correcting a lot, while the D600 snapped into perfect
focus with no second thought. I also think it depends on the lens in use,
but all in all I would swap AF systems in a split second.
At Photokina, I had the feeling the K-5 II has improved a lot over the K-5,
but again it depends on the lens. The 17-70mm gained a lot of speed and
effectiveness, while the 50-135mm (aka the sloth) did not improve so much,
and so did (not) the 12-24mm.
Dario


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Dario Bonazza]

In a couple occasions I had to compare D600 and K-5 (one was outdoor in late 
afternoon of a grey day and the other time was an evening indoors in a 
restaurant) the D600 autofocusing was noticeably better than the K-5. The 
K-5 was hunting and correcting a lot, while the D600 snapped into perfect 
focus with no second thought. I also think it depends on the lens in use, 
but all in all I would swap AF systems in a split second.
At Photokina, I had the feeling the K-5 II has improved a lot over the K-5, 
but again it depends on the lens. The 17-70mm gained a lot of speed and 
effectiveness, while the 50-135mm (aka the sloth) did not improve so much, 
and so did (not) the 12-24mm.
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OT - Gerry Anderson Passes On

[Tom C]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20845407

The creator of some of my favorite shows has died. Among the many:

UFO
Thunderbirds
Space 1999
Captain Scarlet
The Secret Service
Journey to the Far Side of the Sun (one of my favorite sci-fi movies
seen at the drive in when I was about 10... wow!)

Tom C.

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The DSLR Field Camera

[Tom C]

Interesting easy to understand article on dpreview regarding the drive
for higher MP cameras in landscape photography and tilt/shift lenses
combined with stitching.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9496515776/the-dslr-field-camera

Tom C.

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Re: Three pix to end the day.

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Christine.  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Very pretty colors in those sunsets, Bob!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> On Dec 25, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>
>> Rachel and Jamacan Banana Man (You can tell he's Jamacian because of
>> the dreadlocks.
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/20121225#
>>
>> And sunset over the Pacific Ocean from San Diego.
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074037741506818
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074035434017138
>>
>> A Happy Holiday to you all.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: OT - for the gear heads & speed freaks in the group

[Paul Stenquist]

Good stuff! Thanks for posting,

Paul Stenquist

On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Was great, Ken. Thanks!
> 
> I kept looking for safety fences. It became clear we weren't in North
> America. :-)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM,   wrote:
>> A little after Christmas treat !
>> 
>> http://vimeo.com/53551115
>> 
>> Had to share it  - enjoy.
>> 
>> 
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RE: OT - for the gear heads & speed freaks in the group

[Gerrit Visser]

Thank you, nothing quite like the sound of a high revving engine

Gerrit

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A little after Christmas treat !

http://vimeo.com/53551115

Had to share it  - enjoy.


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Re: HoHoHo

[Kenneth Waller]

Nope! No frame. For it to be art it needs to be framed!  :+)

-Original Message-
>From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu 
>Subject: Re: HoHoHo
>
>It is pretty, but is it Art? :p
>Merry Christmas!
>
>On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:54 PM, William Robb
> wrote:
>> ° _██_*。*. / . \ .˛* .˛.*.★* *★ 。*
>>  . (´• ̮•)*˛°* /.♫.♫\*˛. * ˛_Π_. * ˛*
>>  °( . • . ) ˛°./• '♫ ' •\.˛*./__/~＼ *. ˛*.。˛* ˛.
>>  (...'•'.. ) *˛╬˛°. ｜田田 ｜門｜ .
>>  (...'•'.. ) *˛╬˛°. ｜田田 ｜門｜ .
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>>  MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Re: OT - for the gear heads & speed freaks in the group

[Bruce Walker]

Was great, Ken. Thanks!

I kept looking for safety fences. It became clear we weren't in North
America. :-)


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> A little after Christmas treat !
>
> http://vimeo.com/53551115
>
> Had to share it  - enjoy.
>
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> Kenneth Waller
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Re: OT: Flag and raft

[Christine Aguila]

I shall start it tonight.  I bought the kindle version.  Shapes up nicely on 
the iPad.   Cheers, Christine






On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> I hope you enjoy it. I've read several of Kemps books and he is always very
> interesting and provides fresh insight on every page. 
> 
> Rather annoyingly though he consistently spells Capa as Cappa throughout
> this book, except in the captions. So I guess his proofreader doesn't know
> who Capa is, and the caption researcher didn't read the text.
> 
> The essay on Nick Ut's photograph of Kim Phuc is superb, and extremely
> interesting in the way he relates the formal elements of the picture right
> back to Alberti's treatise on painting.
> 
> B
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila
>> 
>> Thanks, Bob!  Just purchased.  Looks very interesting.  Cheers,
>> Christine
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> 
>>> I recently bought a copy of "Christ to Coke - How Image becomes Icon"
>>> by Martin Kemp, in which he traces the process by which certain
>> images
>>> have become iconic.
> 
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Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[Christine Aguila]

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> 
> I'd say that Bob is right: user information which can then be sold or used. I 
> would even say that if Instagram doesn't compile, sell or otherwise use 
> customer information that the fact that you have registered is to their 
> benefit. "We have over 100,000,000 users worldwide with 10,000 a day signing 
> up!", will attract advertisers, investors, buyers. They benefit from your 
> mere presence.


That last sentence is the key point in this era of Big Data---**we** are the 
commodity


The book entitled *The Human Face of Big Data*, a monster of a coffee table 
book, might be of interest to some on the list.  Done by Rick Smolan and 
Jeffifer Erwitt--the two that do the *Day in the Life* books--this book is 
comprised of photo essays with titles like "Our Data, Ourselves", "Dark Data", 
"Reflections in a Digital Mirror", "A Demograph of One", "The Art of Data" 
(check out p. 190--an amazing graph that shows cross-referenced items in the 
Bible), "Data Driven"  etc.

I find the book both interesting and quite frightening.


The photography and infographics are good, and the essays are well written, 
though some of the claims and arguments make one pause with concern--well, me 
at least, maybe others have less concern.

I'm really glad I purchased the book and recommend it to others given the 
direction humanity is headed with respect to Big Data--though I think it's more 
accurate to say it's not so much a matter of a direction, or destination we're 
headed in or to-- rather it's a journey we've already started, and we had 
better be smart, compassionate, and vigilant about the rest of the trip.

Cheers, Christine
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Re: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[Bruce Walker]

All fine shots and the portrait is particularly good.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, SV Hovland  wrote:
> The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
> are from the harbour in Stavanger.
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140073&authkey=!AG7bKepSpEQPF6E
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
>
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
>
>
> Stig Vidar Hovland
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RE: OT: Flag and raft

[Bob W]

I hope you enjoy it. I've read several of Kemps books and he is always very
interesting and provides fresh insight on every page. 

Rather annoyingly though he consistently spells Capa as Cappa throughout
this book, except in the captions. So I guess his proofreader doesn't know
who Capa is, and the caption researcher didn't read the text.

The essay on Nick Ut's photograph of Kim Phuc is superb, and extremely
interesting in the way he relates the formal elements of the picture right
back to Alberti's treatise on painting.

B

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila
> 
> Thanks, Bob!  Just purchased.  Looks very interesting.  Cheers,
> Christine
> 
> 
> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> 
> > I recently bought a copy of "Christ to Coke - How Image becomes Icon"
> > by Martin Kemp, in which he traces the process by which certain
> images
> > have become iconic.



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Re: OT: Flag and raft

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>I recently bought a copy of "Christ to Coke - How Image becomes Icon" by
>Martin Kemp, in which he traces the process by which certain images have
>become iconic. 
>
>Here are two pictures that I am very familiar with, as I'm sure most of you
>are, but I have never thought of them together before. When I first saw them
>side by side on the page I was struck by their compositional similarities;
>Kemp describes them as 'distant cousins'. I thought other people might be
>interested to see it:
>
>
>
>The first is Rosenthal's picture of marines raising the flag on Mount
>Suribachi; the second is Gericault's painting of the Raft of the Medusa.
>
>

Great. Another book that I can't afford to buy and don't have time to
read. 

I'll order one immediately.
 
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Re: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[Christine Aguila]

I Agree with Ken.  That's a lovely portrait, Stig.  Cheers, Christine


On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:08 PM, SV Hovland  wrote:

> Thanks. He was looking out of the window on a fishing boat. The same boat 
> which Jostein, me and a few others took to have a look at the bird colonies.
> 
> SV
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Gerrit Visser
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:34 PM
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> Subject: RE: PESO: Northern part of Norway
> 
> I'll second that opinion
> 
> Gerrit
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waller
> Sent: December 26, 2012 12:02 PM
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> 
> 
> Stig, the portrait is flat out outstanding!
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: SV Hovland 
>> Subject: PESO: Northern part of Norway
>> 
>> The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
>> are from the harbour in Stavanger.
>> 
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
>> 
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
>> 
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140073&authkey=!AG7bKepSpEQPF6E
>> 
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
>> 
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
>> 
>> 
>> Stig Vidar Hovland
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Flag and raft

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Bob!  Just purchased.  Looks very interesting.  Cheers, Christine


On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> I recently bought a copy of "Christ to Coke - How Image becomes Icon" by
> Martin Kemp, in which he traces the process by which certain images have
> become iconic. 
> 
> Here are two pictures that I am very familiar with, as I'm sure most of you
> are, but I have never thought of them together before. When I first saw them
> side by side on the page I was struck by their compositional similarities;
> Kemp describes them as 'distant cousins'. I thought other people might be
> interested to see it:
> 
> 
> 
> The first is Rosenthal's picture of marines raising the flag on Mount
> Suribachi; the second is Gericault's painting of the Raft of the Medusa.
> 
> 
> 
> B
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Re: Happy Holidays Everyone!

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks Everyone!  Hope the day was a good one.  Frankly, I'm glad it's over.  I 
had a nice day, but I'm eager to start the new year.  I have plans for some 
creative projects--both personal and work related, lots of photography, and I 
may start playing my fiddle again--and of course some travel, maybe a few short 
trips, then save up for another one abroad somewhere.  I'm eager to jump back 
into life!   :-)  Cheers, Christine



 
On Dec 25, 2012, at 10:20 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Merry Christmas back to you and Daryl.
> 
> Great card!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
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> From: Christine Aguila 
> Sent: December 24, 2012 12/24/12
> To: PDML List 
> Subject: Happy Holidays Everyone!
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> http://www.caguila.com/holidaypdml2012/content/pdmlcard2012-2_large.html
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> Big cheers, Christine
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Re: Quotations List X (2012) is now on line

[Christine Aguila]

Great fun, Mark!  Cheers, Christine


On Dec 25, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> Merry Festivus!
> http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm
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Re: Three pix to end the day.

[Christine Aguila]

Very pretty colors in those sunsets, Bob!  Cheers, Christine



On Dec 25, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Rachel and Jamacan Banana Man (You can tell he's Jamacian because of
> the dreadlocks.
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/20121225#
> 
> And sunset over the Pacific Ocean from San Diego.
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074037741506818
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074035434017138
> 
> A Happy Holiday to you all.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: OT - for the gear heads & speed freaks in the group

[Christine Aguila]

Really fun to watch.  Thanks, Ken!  Cheers, Christine



On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:30 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

> A little after Christmas treat !
> 
> http://vimeo.com/53551115
> 
> Had to share it  - enjoy.
> 
> 
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OT: Flag and raft

[Bob W]

I recently bought a copy of "Christ to Coke - How Image becomes Icon" by
Martin Kemp, in which he traces the process by which certain images have
become iconic. 

Here are two pictures that I am very familiar with, as I'm sure most of you
are, but I have never thought of them together before. When I first saw them
side by side on the page I was struck by their compositional similarities;
Kemp describes them as 'distant cousins'. I thought other people might be
interested to see it:



The first is Rosenthal's picture of marines raising the flag on Mount
Suribachi; the second is Gericault's painting of the Raft of the Medusa.



B


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Re: HoHoHo

[Christine Aguila]

And Happy Holidays to you Bill!  Love the translation below!  :-)  Cheers, 
Christine


On Dec 26, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu 
 wrote:

> It is pretty, but is it Art? :p
> Merry Christmas!
> 
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:54 PM, William Robb
>  wrote:
>> ° _██_*。*. / . \ .˛* .˛.*.★* *★ 。*
>> . (´• ̮•)*˛°* /.♫.♫\*˛. * ˛_Π_. * ˛*
>> °( . • . ) ˛°./• '♫ ' •\.˛*./__/~＼ *. ˛*.。˛* ˛.
>> (...'•'.. ) *˛╬˛°. ｜田田 ｜門｜ .
>> (...'•'.. ) *˛╬˛°. ｜田田 ｜門｜ .
>> ¯˜"*°•♥•°*"˜¯`´¯˜"*°•♥•°*"˜¯` ´¯˜"*°´¯˜"*°•♥•
>> MERRY CHRISTMAS!
>> --
>> I hope this translates properly
>> William Robb
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Alex Sarbu
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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:29 PM, William Robb wrote:

> On 26/12/2012 9:50 AM, Michael Adam Maas wrote:
>> 
> 
>> That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to
>> be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted
>> wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light)
>> 
> Having used the D7K briefly, I am quite certain that the K5 AF is somewhat 
> slower in good light with AF-S, and there is no contest in AF-C.
> Where the K5 falls down is in low artificial light, especially tungsten 
> illumination. It is entirely possible that they have made some hardware 
> changes since the camera's introduction (I have a very early K5), but in the 
> studio, the AF on my K5 is worse than useless. It randomly front focuses by 
> varying amounts, so there is no possibility of doing an AF bias to bring the 
> focus into reliable adjustment.

I wonder if your K5 is related to my AF540, in that you have consistent strange 
problems that just aren't indicative of my experience.  The vast majority of my 
mis-focus issues with the K5 are simply cases of it focusing on the wrong 
thing. Even in dim tungsten light.


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Re: D600 vs K-5

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On 12/26/2012 3:33 PM, William Robb wrote:

On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote:






I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA 
and DIN systems.



Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. My mentor made a point of 
ensuring I was able to use both the American system and the German 
system.


The specification for ISO is basically ASA/DIN but everyone seems to 
forget the DIN part.


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RE: D600 vs K-5

[SV Hovland]

It's fixed on K-5 II. I have no issues at all in tungsten light with this 
camera.

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb

>I'm waiting for reports on the K5IIs to see if they have fixed this particular 
>AF problem, and of course, to see what they have coming down the pike. If 
>there is no new and >wonderful announcement in the next 6 months or so, and if 
>the K5IIs appears to be panning out, I will probably pick one up sometime next 
>year.

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Re: D600 vs K-5

[William Robb]

On 26/12/2012 2:23 PM, John Francis wrote:






I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN 
systems.


Yup, Tri-X Pan film (for example). 400/24. My mentor made a point of 
ensuring I was able to use both the American system and the German system.


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[William Robb]

On 26/12/2012 9:50 AM, Michael Adam Maas wrote:





That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to
be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted
wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light)

Having used the D7K briefly, I am quite certain that the K5 AF is 
somewhat slower in good light with AF-S, and there is no contest in AF-C.
Where the K5 falls down is in low artificial light, especially tungsten 
illumination. It is entirely possible that they have made some hardware 
changes since the camera's introduction (I have a very early K5), but in 
the studio, the AF on my K5 is worse than useless. It randomly front 
focuses by varying amounts, so there is no possibility of doing an AF 
bias to bring the focus into reliable adjustment.
I'm waiting for reports on the K5IIs to see if they have fixed this 
particular AF problem, and of course, to see what they have coming down 
the pike. If there is no new and wonderful announcement in the next 6 
months or so, and if the K5IIs appears to be panning out, I will 
probably pick one up sometime next year.


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[John Francis]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:34:17AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> As an aside, one thing that annoys me every time that I actually think about 
> it is my tendency to use "ISO" rather than "sensitivity".  It is odd, 
> however, that the standards organization is mentioned at all on film speed.  
> I suspect that at one time, there were several competing standards used for 
> film speed, and it was the ASA's standard that one, so that was the only one 
> people born after 1960 have ever seen, at least until the standard was 
> adopted by ISO.  
> 
> And a quick check of wikipedia confirms my hypothesis:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_speed

I remember film (and exposure meters) with ratings in both the ASA and DIN 
systems.


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Re: 3 PESO's - Vintage Radio

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> I love them - they look great even if you didnt' have optimum setup.
> I have a 1950's Sylvania clock radio - it actually gets reception, 
> though not very good :-)

I have a small collection of old radios. Here's one of them, a 1935
Belgian Philips sold under the SF brand. Bought it from a lady in her
60's and she said it was the radio of her grandmother so it had always
been in the family.

I have restored it technically and it works fine but it still needs some
care for the woodwork.

The photo shows it with Nikodemus sitting next to it.

http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.fr/2012/04/his-masters-voice.html

Ralf

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Web   : http://www.fotoralf.de

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Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[kwaller]

We now reutrn you to our regularily scheduled stuff  : + )

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: 

Subject: Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram


Lawyers (including lurking lawyers) on the list please feel free to 
correct me, but as I understand it, a contract is (or at least used to be) 
an agreement between two or more people (corporations are considered 
people) with consideration flowing between or among all parties.


The agreement part is easy: a meeting of the minds, all parties 
understanding what each other means and a clear view of what is required 
of each of them.


Consideration is the "stuff" of the contract. If I say I'll give you 5$ 
for the book in your hand and you agree, the book and the $5 are the 
consideration. If I give you the money and you refuse to give me the book, 
we have an actionable contract and I can sue you.


Otoh, if you say, "I'll give you this book for free," and I agree, you can 
change your mind and I can't do a thing about it. We had agreement but 
consideration only went one way (the book to me). Without consideration 
flowing both ways all we have is a broken promise; morally wrong but not 
legally wrong and not actionable.


Okay, with Instagram I think we have an agreement (never mind that no one 
reads the fine print). Instagram agrees to provide image processing and 
ease of posting services. I agree to (whenever I feel like it) to use 
those services.


My problem is, what's the consideration? Clearly consideration flows from 
Instagram to the user in the form of services made available.


What flows from user to Instagram?

I'd say that Bob is right: user information which can then be sold or 
used. I would even say that if Instagram doesn't compile, sell or 
otherwise use customer information that the fact that you have registered 
is to their benefit. "We have over 100,000,000 users worldwide with 10,000 
a day signing up!", will attract advertisers, investors, buyers. They 
benefit from your mere presence.


So to my mind there is clearly a contract. The terms of service are 
clearly terms (in a legal sense) of that contract, meaning they cannot be 
changed without the agreement of all parties. IG can't impose them. They 
have to let each individual user know they are being changed and give them 
a chance to un-register if they don't agree.


Any photo posted pre-change would not be subject to IG using for free, 
unless the user agrees. If any user leaves I think it would be implied 
that they do not agree to such use of images already submitted.


Sorry to be long winded but that's my take on the legality of it all.

Cheers,
frank



--- Original Message ---

From: Igor Roshchin 
Sent: December 26, 2012 12/26/12
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram



Wed Dec 26 13:31:13 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:



> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
>
> $Subj. is filed:
>
> http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/instagram-privacy-lawsuit-
> facebook-idINDEE8BN08N20121224
>
> While people can be emotionally charged (as in outraged), this type of
> lawsuit can create a weird precedent: even if you are providing free
> services, you can be taken to court.
> What would be next? A bum will sue somebody donating him money?
>

if the donation required the bum to sign up to a legal contract first 
then
yes, why not? A contract's a contract, free or not, and you can't expect 
to

change it one-sidedly in your favour without some pushback.

Besides, the services that Instagram, Google and so on provide are not 
free.
The suppliers use your data for their own purposes, so that's what they 
get

in return for the services. I spend an inordinate amount of time at work
having to tell people this when they keep asking why they can't download
'free' shit onto their work computers, or save work documents on 'free'
storage sites.

B

> I don't know how it is in other countries, but it feels that in the US,
> a lot of people have a [false] sense of entitlement.
> People so much used to "free" services, that it's hard to imagine what
> would happen if Google would decide to close Gmail.
>
>
> Igor


Bob,

I am not sure, but I doubt that it is actually a _contract_. Rather,
typically, when you are signing up for a free account, you are agreeing
to "Terms of use" and "Terms of service"...

Whether it is a contract or not, - it does not promise you indefinite
service, and it can be terminated at any point. It is an "at will"
agreement, that can be terminated by either side at any time.
As far as I know (sorry, I didn't investigate that part carefully), -
Instagram didn't take anybody's photos hostage (unlike, say, fotki.com
earlier this year [*]). So, everybody could take their photos and leave,
given the ample notice.

I agree with you about "free", that's why I put that word in quotation
marks in the second part of my message.

---
[*] htt

Re: PESO 2012 - Olmec - GDG

[Eactivist]

Cool. Especially like the first  one.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 12/26/2012 10:49:53  A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
godfreydigio...@me.com writes:
Couple of photos  of a massive Olmec head taken at the Cultural Center 
yesterday...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8308161821/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8309915431/lightbox

Olmec Head -  Tijuana 2012

Enjoy!

Godfrey - godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com  


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Tom C wrote:

>> From: Michael Adam Maas 
>> 
>> That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to
>> be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted
>> wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light)
>> 
>> --
>> M. Adam Maas
> 
> dpreview.com writes this:
> 
> Another area in which the D600 lags behind the D800 is its AF
> sensitivity in poor light. The D800 is rated for accurate focus in
> light as low as EV-2, which is approximately equivalent to moonlight.
> In use, we've found this to be true. The D600 is rated down to EV-1,
> and in normal use, with a 50mm F1.4 prime mounted, we've found that
> indeed, the D800 is the better tool in low light. But when shooting
> low-contrast targets at EV levels between 0-1, the difference between
> the two cameras is only noticeable at the point where we could barely
> perceive our subject in their viewfinders. The Canon EOS 6D has an AF
> system rated down to -3EV, and we will perform more in-depth
> comparisons between this and the D600 when the 6D becomes available.
> 
> In good light, the D600's AF system proved very capable in all of the
> environments in which we used it. In the hundreds of frames that we've
> shot with the camera, including images taken at night and in very poor
> interior lighting, only a handful are anything other than totally
> sharp. As usual, if you're working in marginal light the central AF
> point is your best bet, but in normal everyday shooting, the D600's AF
> system is very capable.
> 
> I write:
> 
> Not having a D600 or K-5 I have no idea how they compare in this
> regard. I've generally find all cameras to have a harder time with AF
> in low-light as opposed to normal or bright light, as everyone knows
> (same goes for my eyes). To my recollection there hasn't been any
> mention in this comparison regarding lenses used (prime or zoom,
> aperture, etc.), central AF point vs. other vs. auto, single frame vs.
> continuous shooting, or really whether both photographers were
> simultaneously aiming at the same scene in the viewfinder.

The lenses were the FA 31/1.8 and Nikkor 35/2.0.  ISO 12,800, f/2.0, 1/30 S.  I 
was aiming at the same thing with both cameras.  Focusing with live view was 
also noticeably, though not hugely, better with Live View on the Pentax.  His 
G5, however, was by far the best for focusing in crazy low light.  



> I often
> experience focus issues when I'm straddling the line of closest focus
> distance. All these items could have an impact.
> 
> We tend to expect a lot out of our cameras nowadays, don't we? Twenty
> years ago it was try your best to focus in a dark viewfinder and check
> the distance scale.

A couple days ago, when we had a spot of rain (5.1 inches that day) I was 
photographing the river in my back yard, (much better than my back yard being 
in the river) and briefly noted how casually I use ISOs in the triple digits, 
after noting that to use that shutter speed and aperture, I *only* needed an 
ISO of 1200. I was briefly boggled at just what the modern sensors can do, with 
sensitivities an order of magnitude greater than what I grew up with, much less 
the two orders of magnitude we were using playing in the dark.

As an aside, one thing that annoys me every time that I actually think about it 
is my tendency to use "ISO" rather than "sensitivity".  It is odd, however, 
that the standards organization is mentioned at all on film speed.  I suspect 
that at one time, there were several competing standards used for film speed, 
and it was the ASA's standard that one, so that was the only one people born 
after 1960 have ever seen, at least until the standard was adopted by ISO.  

And a quick check of wikipedia confirms my hypothesis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_speed


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Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Lawyers (including lurking lawyers) on the list please feel free to correct me, 
but as I understand it, a contract is (or at least used to be) an agreement 
between two or more people (corporations are considered people) with 
consideration flowing between or among all parties. 

The agreement part is easy: a meeting of the minds, all parties understanding 
what each other means and a clear view of what is required of each of them.

Consideration is the "stuff" of the contract. If I say I'll give you 5$ for the 
book in your hand and you agree, the book and the $5 are the consideration. If 
I give you the money and you refuse to give me the book, we have an actionable 
contract and I can sue you.

Otoh, if you say, "I'll give you this book for free," and I agree, you can 
change your mind and I can't do a thing about it. We had agreement but 
consideration only went one way (the book to me). Without consideration flowing 
both ways all we have is a broken promise; morally wrong but not legally wrong 
and not actionable.

Okay, with Instagram I think we have an agreement (never mind that no one reads 
the fine print). Instagram agrees to provide image processing and ease of 
posting services. I agree to (whenever I feel like it) to use those services.

My problem is, what's the consideration? Clearly consideration flows from 
Instagram to the user in the form of services made available. 

What flows from user to Instagram? 

I'd say that Bob is right: user information which can then be sold or used. I 
would even say that if Instagram doesn't compile, sell or otherwise use 
customer information that the fact that you have registered is to their 
benefit. "We have over 100,000,000 users worldwide with 10,000 a day signing 
up!", will attract advertisers, investors, buyers. They benefit from your mere 
presence.

So to my mind there is clearly a contract. The terms of service are clearly 
terms (in a legal sense) of that contract, meaning they cannot be changed 
without the agreement of all parties. IG can't impose them. They have to let 
each individual user know they are being changed and give them a chance to 
un-register if they don't agree. 

Any photo posted pre-change would not be subject to IG using for free, unless 
the user agrees. If any user leaves I think it would be implied that they do 
not agree to such use of images already submitted.

Sorry to be long winded but that's my take on the legality of it all.

Cheers,
frank



--- Original Message ---

From: Igor Roshchin 
Sent: December 26, 2012 12/26/12
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram



Wed Dec 26 13:31:13 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:


> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
> > 
> > $Subj. is filed:
> > 
> > http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/instagram-privacy-lawsuit-
> > facebook-idINDEE8BN08N20121224
> > 
> > While people can be emotionally charged (as in outraged), this type of
> > lawsuit can create a weird precedent: even if you are providing free
> > services, you can be taken to court.
> > What would be next? A bum will sue somebody donating him money?
> > 
> 
> if the donation required the bum to sign up to a legal contract first then
> yes, why not? A contract's a contract, free or not, and you can't expect to
> change it one-sidedly in your favour without some pushback.
> 
> Besides, the services that Instagram, Google and so on provide are not free.
> The suppliers use your data for their own purposes, so that's what they get
> in return for the services. I spend an inordinate amount of time at work
> having to tell people this when they keep asking why they can't download
> 'free' shit onto their work computers, or save work documents on 'free'
> storage sites.
>
> B
> 
> > I don't know how it is in other countries, but it feels that in the US,
> > a lot of people have a [false] sense of entitlement.
> > People so much used to "free" services, that it's hard to imagine what
> > would happen if Google would decide to close Gmail.
> > 
> > 
> > Igor

Bob,

I am not sure, but I doubt that it is actually a _contract_. Rather,
typically, when you are signing up for a free account, you are agreeing
to "Terms of use" and "Terms of service"...

Whether it is a contract or not, - it does not promise you indefinite
service, and it can be terminated at any point. It is an "at will"
agreement, that can be terminated by either side at any time.
As far as I know (sorry, I didn't investigate that part carefully), - 
Instagram didn't take anybody's photos hostage (unlike, say, fotki.com
earlier this year [*]). So, everybody could take their photos and leave,
given the ample notice.

I agree with you about "free", that's why I put that word in quotation
marks in the second part of my message.  

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OT - for the gear heads & speed freaks in the group

[kwaller]

A little after Christmas treat !

http://vimeo.com/53551115

Had to share it  - enjoy.


Kenneth Waller
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RE: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
[...]
> 
> I am not sure, but I doubt that it is actually a _contract_. 

the lawyers at work tell me that it is.

B

> Rather,
> typically, when you are signing up for a free account, you are agreeing
> to "Terms of use" and "Terms of service"...
> 
> Whether it is a contract or not, - it does not promise you indefinite
> service, and it can be terminated at any point. It is an "at will"
> agreement, that can be terminated by either side at any time.
> As far as I know (sorry, I didn't investigate that part carefully), -
> Instagram didn't take anybody's photos hostage (unlike, say, fotki.com
> earlier this year [*]). So, everybody could take their photos and
> leave, given the ample notice.
> 
> I agree with you about "free", that's why I put that word in quotation
> marks in the second part of my message.
> 
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> 
> Igor



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RE: PESO 2012 - Olmec - GDG

[Gerrit Visser]

Very nice, the feeling conveyed is of antiquity, as is the subject.
A bit tightly cropped at top and bottom though, 2-3mm more space might make
a difference?

Gerrit

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: December 26, 2012 1:50 PM
To: PDML; SeePhoto Talk; PAW Picture-A-Week project; BAPhotoShooters
Subject: PESO 2012 - Olmec - GDG

Couple of photos of a massive Olmec head taken at the Cultural Center
yesterday...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8308161821/lightbox
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8309915431/lightbox

Olmec Head - Tijuana 2012

Enjoy!

Godfrey - godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Tom C]

> From: Michael Adam Maas 
>
> That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to
> be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted
> wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light)
>
> --
> M. Adam Maas

dpreview.com writes this:

Another area in which the D600 lags behind the D800 is its AF
sensitivity in poor light. The D800 is rated for accurate focus in
light as low as EV-2, which is approximately equivalent to moonlight.
In use, we've found this to be true. The D600 is rated down to EV-1,
and in normal use, with a 50mm F1.4 prime mounted, we've found that
indeed, the D800 is the better tool in low light. But when shooting
low-contrast targets at EV levels between 0-1, the difference between
the two cameras is only noticeable at the point where we could barely
perceive our subject in their viewfinders. The Canon EOS 6D has an AF
system rated down to -3EV, and we will perform more in-depth
comparisons between this and the D600 when the 6D becomes available.

In good light, the D600's AF system proved very capable in all of the
environments in which we used it. In the hundreds of frames that we've
shot with the camera, including images taken at night and in very poor
interior lighting, only a handful are anything other than totally
sharp. As usual, if you're working in marginal light the central AF
point is your best bet, but in normal everyday shooting, the D600's AF
system is very capable.

I write:

Not having a D600 or K-5 I have no idea how they compare in this
regard. I've generally find all cameras to have a harder time with AF
in low-light as opposed to normal or bright light, as everyone knows
(same goes for my eyes). To my recollection there hasn't been any
mention in this comparison regarding lenses used (prime or zoom,
aperture, etc.), central AF point vs. other vs. auto, single frame vs.
continuous shooting, or really whether both photographers were
simultaneously aiming at the same scene in the viewfinder. I often
experience focus issues when I'm straddling the line of closest focus
distance. All these items could have an impact.

We tend to expect a lot out of our cameras nowadays, don't we? Twenty
years ago it was try your best to focus in a dark viewfinder and check
the distance scale.

Tom C.

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PESO 2012 - Olmec - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Couple of photos of a massive Olmec head taken at the Cultural Center 
yesterday...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8308161821/lightbox
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8309915431/lightbox

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Re: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[Igor Roshchin]

Wed Dec 26 13:31:13 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:


> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
> > 
> > $Subj. is filed:
> > 
> > http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/instagram-privacy-lawsuit-
> > facebook-idINDEE8BN08N20121224
> > 
> > While people can be emotionally charged (as in outraged), this type of
> > lawsuit can create a weird precedent: even if you are providing free
> > services, you can be taken to court.
> > What would be next? A bum will sue somebody donating him money?
> > 
> 
> if the donation required the bum to sign up to a legal contract first then
> yes, why not? A contract's a contract, free or not, and you can't expect to
> change it one-sidedly in your favour without some pushback.
> 
> Besides, the services that Instagram, Google and so on provide are not free.
> The suppliers use your data for their own purposes, so that's what they get
> in return for the services. I spend an inordinate amount of time at work
> having to tell people this when they keep asking why they can't download
> 'free' shit onto their work computers, or save work documents on 'free'
> storage sites.
>
> B
> 
> > I don't know how it is in other countries, but it feels that in the US,
> > a lot of people have a [false] sense of entitlement.
> > People so much used to "free" services, that it's hard to imagine what
> > would happen if Google would decide to close Gmail.
> > 
> > 
> > Igor

Bob,

I am not sure, but I doubt that it is actually a _contract_. Rather,
typically, when you are signing up for a free account, you are agreeing
to "Terms of use" and "Terms of service"...

Whether it is a contract or not, - it does not promise you indefinite
service, and it can be terminated at any point. It is an "at will"
agreement, that can be terminated by either side at any time.
As far as I know (sorry, I didn't investigate that part carefully), - 
Instagram didn't take anybody's photos hostage (unlike, say, fotki.com
earlier this year [*]). So, everybody could take their photos and leave,
given the ample notice.

I agree with you about "free", that's why I put that word in quotation
marks in the second part of my message.  

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RE: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Brewer
> 
> On 12/26/12 7:07 AM, Bob W wrote:
> > Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...
> >
> > :o)
> 
> that's Mr. Adolf to you.
> 
> but no, we've had a 10KB size limit since the dawn of time.
> 

Guess I'll just have to send a measly little link instead, mein Herr. I
don't know how they managed to make such a big file out of such a small
article.



B

> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of pdml-
> >> ow...@pdml.net
> >> Sent: 26 December 2012 11:47
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> >> Subject: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval
> >>
> >> Your mail to 'PDML' with the subject
> >>
> >>  FW: From the Guardian: Don McCullin: 'Photojournalism has had
> it.
> >> It's all gone celebrity'
> >>
> >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >>
> >> The reason it is being held:
> >>
> >>  Message body is too big: 19812 bytes with a limit of 10 KB
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Re: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

[Igor Roshchin]

Oops... Mea culpa.
I missed, - it is the size limit.
That's something that Doug probably has set... 
Were you sending a novel?

As Russian writer Anton Chekhov said: "Brevity is the sister of talent",
or as yet another famous writer wrote: "Brevity is the soul of wit".

Igor


> From s...@trantor.komkon.org Wed Dec 26 12:48:58 2012
> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:48:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: Igor Roshchin 
> To: PDML@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Usually that what you would be getting for the message sent from
> an e-mail account that is not subscribed to the list.
>
> Check if you sent your message from a wrong account, and if not, - 
> you should be able to check your subscription status from
> the list page: http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> (Just in case something happened to your subscription, - say because
> of bounced mail, or something else.)
> ... Of course, there is a chance that you are just that special
> person... ;-)
>
> Igor
>
>
> Wed Dec 26 07:07:01 EST 2012
> Bob W wrote:
>
> Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...
>
> :o) 
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of pdml-
> > owner at pdml.net
> > Sent: 26 December 2012 11:47
> > To: pdml at web-options.com
> > Subject: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval
> > 
> > Your mail to 'PDML' with the subject
> > 
> > FW: From the Guardian: Don McCullin: 'Photojournalism has had it.
> > It's all gone celebrity'
> > 
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> > 
> > The reason it is being held:
> > 
> > Message body is too big: 19812 bytes with a limit of 10 KB
> > 
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RE: Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor Roshchin
> 
> $Subj. is filed:
> 
> http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/instagram-privacy-lawsuit-
> facebook-idINDEE8BN08N20121224
> 
> While people can be emotionally charged (as in outraged), this type of
> lawsuit can create a weird precedent: even if you are providing free
> services, you can be taken to court.
> What would be next? A bum will sue somebody donating him money?
> 

if the donation required the bum to sign up to a legal contract first then
yes, why not? A contract's a contract, free or not, and you can't expect to
change it one-sidedly in your favour without some pushback.

Besides, the services that Instagram, Google and so on provide are not free.
The suppliers use your data for their own purposes, so that's what they get
in return for the services. I spend an inordinate amount of time at work
having to tell people this when they keep asking why they can't download
'free' shit onto their work computers, or save work documents on 'free'
storage sites.

B

> I don't know how it is in other countries, but it feels that in the US,
> a lot of people have a [false] sense of entitlement.
> People so much used to "free" services, that it's hard to imagine what
> would happen if Google would decide to close Gmail.
> 
> 
> Igor



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Re: HoHoHo

[Igor Roshchin]

Bill: Cool! Merry Christmas to you!

Gerrit: Not quite ASCII. Several symbols are beyond ASCII table.
[sorry for the pedantism]

For those who had problems viewing it, - see it in your browser:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-December/334136.html

Cheers,

Igor


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Tue Dec 25 20:40:17 EST 2012

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Gerrit

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Re: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

[Doug Brewer]

On 12/26/12 7:07 AM, Bob W wrote:

Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...

:o)


that's Mr. Adolf to you.

but no, we've had a 10KB size limit since the dawn of time.




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Class Action lawsuit against Instagram

[Igor Roshchin]

$Subj. is filed:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/instagram-privacy-lawsuit-facebook-idINDEE8BN08N20121224

While people can be emotionally charged (as in outraged), this type of 
lawsuit can create a weird precedent: even if you are providing free 
services, you can be taken to court. 
What would be next? A bum will sue somebody donating him money?

I don't know how it is in other countries, but it feels that in the US,
a lot of people have a [false] sense of entitlement. 
People so much used to "free" services, that it's hard to imagine what 
would happen if Google would decide to close Gmail.


Igor



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RE: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[SV Hovland]

Thanks. He was looking out of the window on a fishing boat. The same boat which 
Jostein, me and a few others took to have a look at the bird colonies.

SV

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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:34 PM
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I'll second that opinion

Gerrit

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Stig, the portrait is flat out outstanding!

-Original Message-
>From: SV Hovland 
>Subject: PESO: Northern part of Norway
>
>The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
>are from the harbour in Stavanger.
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140073&authkey=!AG7bKepSpEQPF6E
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
>
>
>Stig Vidar Hovland



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Re: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

[P. J. Alling]

Actually I got one of those based on a spam message that seemed to spoof 
one of my accounts. I haven't seen that type of thing in more than a 
year, but it used to be all to common.


On 12/26/2012 12:48 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Bob,

Usually that what you would be getting for the message sent from
an e-mail account that is not subscribed to the list.

Check if you sent your message from a wrong account, and if not, -
you should be able to check your subscription status from
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(Just in case something happened to your subscription, - say because
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... Of course, there is a chance that you are just that special
person... ;-)

Igor


Wed Dec 26 07:07:01 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:

Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...

:o)


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Re: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

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Bob,

Usually that what you would be getting for the message sent from
an e-mail account that is not subscribed to the list.

Check if you sent your message from a wrong account, and if not, - 
you should be able to check your subscription status from
the list page: http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
(Just in case something happened to your subscription, - say because
of bounced mail, or something else.)
... Of course, there is a chance that you are just that special
person... ;-)

Igor


Wed Dec 26 07:07:01 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:

Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...

:o) 

> -Original Message-
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> 
> FW: From the Guardian: Don McCullin: 'Photojournalism has had it.
> It's all gone celebrity'
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
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> The reason it is being held:
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RE: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[Gerrit Visser]

I'll second that opinion

Gerrit

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Sent: December 26, 2012 12:02 PM
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Stig, the portrait is flat out outstanding!

-Original Message-
>From: SV Hovland 
>Subject: PESO: Northern part of Norway
>
>The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
>are from the harbour in Stavanger.
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140073&authkey=!AG7bKepSpEQPF6E
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
>
>
>Stig Vidar Hovland



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Re: PESO: Northern part of Norway

[Kenneth Waller]

Stig, the portrait is flat out outstanding!

-Original Message-
>From: SV Hovland 
>Subject: PESO: Northern part of Norway
>
>The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones 
>are from the harbour in Stavanger.
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140072&authkey=!ALPE1m1qXWuv6dQ
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140074&authkey=!ANaZHVvuxtHZ_j0
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140073&authkey=!AG7bKepSpEQPF6E
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140076&authkey=!APSLSWhUnVzp4yU
>
>https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140075&authkey=!ALpR0vkLw3ZGASs
>
>
>Stig Vidar Hovland



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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Walt]

I have seen that vendor, and its sub-$700 price tag is a far sweeter 
siren call than the improved auto-focus. Like you, most of my favorite 
glass is manual focus.


I'm definitely leaning more toward the K-5, having grown accustomed to 
the more pro-sumer features on the K20.


(This is where a presence in brick-and-mortar outlets would help in the 
decision-making process, BTW. A lot of what I love about the K20 is 
tactile.)


-- Walt


On 12/26/2012 10:51 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I w0uldn't hope to make an accurate prediction, but there seem to 
plenty available as yet and one vendor is already selling it for less 
than $700. (the after Christmas sales aren't even in full swing.) I 
have a target price in mind when it gets within an acceptable range of 
that price I'll be making a decision. The improved autofocus on K-5II 
is a siren call, but then I realize 4 of my 7 most used lenses are 
manual focus...



On 12/26/2012 11:00 AM, Walt wrote:
So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to 
expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30.


I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just 
wonder how much longer I should (or can) hold out.


I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten 
here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask.


-- Walt


On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his 
D600. I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a 
few minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely 
outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock 
focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply 
wasn't able to lock focus.


It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder 
about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering 
this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much 
better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks 
up against the D600 in low light focus.


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[P. J. Alling]

I w0uldn't hope to make an accurate prediction, but there seem to plenty 
available as yet and one vendor is already selling it for less than 
$700. (the after Christmas sales aren't even in full swing.) I have a 
target price in mind when it gets within an acceptable range of that 
price I'll be making a decision. The improved autofocus on K-5II is a 
siren call, but then I realize 4 of my 7 most used lenses are manual 
focus...



On 12/26/2012 11:00 AM, Walt wrote:
So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to 
expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30.


I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just 
wonder how much longer I should (or can) hold out.


I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten 
here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask.


-- Walt


On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his 
D600. I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a 
few minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely 
outperformed the D600. It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock 
focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't 
able to lock focus.


It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder 
about autofocus. Particularly without the assist light. Considering 
this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much 
better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up 
against the D600 in low light focus.


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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Bob Sullivan]

Don't have a K-30 and have never seen/used one, but I love the K-5 and
the K-5IIs seems just a bit better.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Walt  wrote:
> So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to expect
> the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30.
>
> I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder how
> much longer I should (or can) hold out.
>
> I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten here so
> far, so I figured it's a good place to ask.
>
> -- Walt
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.  I
>> didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes
>> doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the
>> D600.  It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit
>> of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus.
>>
>> It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about
>> autofocus.  Particularly without the assist light.  Considering this was the
>> K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be
>> really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low
>> light focus.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Three pix to end the day.

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Marnie, Boris, Dave, and Frank.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:50 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> The first one is fun, the last two are gorgeous!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Bob Sullivan 
> Sent: December 25, 2012 12/25/12
> To: PDML 
> Subject: Three pix to end the day.
>
> Rachel and Jamacan Banana Man (You can tell he's Jamacian because of
> the dreadlocks.
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/20121225#
>
> And sunset over the Pacific Ocean from San Diego.
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074037741506818
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#5826074035434017138
>
> A Happy Holiday to you all.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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RE: GESO: 2012

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> 
> " Hope I can be more active on the List next year."
> 
> If the choice is between talking about photographs and actually going
> out and taking photos such as the stunning collection you have
> presented here, the choice is obvious!

Indeed. You definitely need to spend more time indoors.

B

> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: "Jostein Øksne" 
> Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: GESO: 2012
> 
> Thought it might be good to sum up 2012 before the leisure time set in.
> Enjoy your holidays, gang. Hope I can be more active on the List next
> year.
> http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/2012/index.html



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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Walt]

So, I've scraped up a few pennies so far, and am wondering when to 
expect the best price on a K-5 -- or whether I ought to go with a K-30.


I've seen a couple of great pre-Christmas prices on both and just wonder 
how much longer I should (or can) hold out.


I haven't gone to prison for following any of the advice I've gotten 
here so far, so I figured it's a good place to ask.


-- Walt


On 12/26/2012 2:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.  I 
didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing 
some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600.  It 
was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and 
seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus.

It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about 
autofocus.  Particularly without the assist light.  Considering this was the 
K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be really 
interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low light focus.

--
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Re: D600 vs K-5

[Michael Adam Maas]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.  I 
>> didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes 
>> doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the 
>> D600.  It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit 
>> of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus.
>
> One of the 'Cons' from a few on line reviews was the AF capabilities
> of the D600.

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That said, the D600 shares the D7000's AF tech, which is considered to
be significantly better than the K-5's poor unit by the accepted
wisdom (and probably is, when shooting AF-C in good light)

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RE: PESO - Merry Christmas PDML'ers

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

What a beautiful image!

Happy Holidays to you and yours, Ken.

Cheers,
frank 

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Sent: December 24, 2012 12/24/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO - Merry Christmas PDML'ers

In keeping with the Christmas season:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16698915

Merry Christmas to all PDML'ers ! 

May the next year be healthy, happy and prosperous for all.


Kenneth Waller
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Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:48 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> " And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store, and 
> walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's clothing, 
> cheap suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares..."
>
> You sure you weren't at Honest Ed's?
>
> ;-)
>
> Forgive me, no on outside Toronto will get that one...

I got it

Dave
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: William Robb 
> Sent: December 26, 2012 12/26/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster
>
> On 23/12/2012 3:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I'm sure that someone on the PDML needs a catalogue for the Acme corporation
>>
>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation
>
> When I was a kid back in the early 60s (gads, that makes me feel old),
> there was a store in town called ACME Novelty. Of course, in my 6 year
> old mind, it had to be part of the ACME Corporation. I bugged my parents
> for months, to no avail, that I had to be taken to that store to see the
> wonders that surely must be on the shelves.
> Certainly, there would be 10,000 pound weights, and cases of dynamite,
> rocket powered roller skates, all the things that the Coyote bought
> could surely be had at ACME Novelty.
> Finally, one Saturday my parents relented, even though they knew, deep
> in their great big hearts, that they were setting me up for what would
> surely be the greatest disappointment of my childhood.
> And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store,
> and walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's
> clothing, cheap suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares, I was ever
> hopeful that if we went around just one more corner and into one more
> aisle, we would come to the section of the store that catered to Wiley
> Coyote.
> But it was not to be, for ACME Novelty was not really part of the ACME
> Corporation, or at least not part of the ACME Corporation that I was
> familiar with from spending hours watching the Roadrunner outwit his
> hapless nemesis.
> Friends, I was inconsolable. I led my parents through that entire store
> at least twice, ever hopeful that we had managed to miss the one aisle
> in the entire world that held the wonderful products that I had seen on TV.
> Finally, with tears of disappointment streaming down my cheeks, they led
> me back to the car and we drove home, my father being the very kind man
> that he was, told me that it was probably just that we lived in such a
> small city, perhaps ACME didn't put their full line of products into
> this store.
> He tried, but I recall being put out like only a 6 year old child can
> be. I'm sure I was insufferable for days.
>
> --
>
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PESO: Northern part of Norway

[SV Hovland]

The three first are from the Pentax meeting at Andøya and the two last ones are 
from the harbour in Stavanger.

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Re: GESO - Calendar Project

[David J Brooks]

Well done

Dave

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 7:01 PM,   wrote:
>
>
> This is not really a GESO, but didn't  know what else to call it.
>
> Anyway, these are not thumbnails, just small  pics. Not doing it as a true
> GESO since most of you have already seen most of  the photos (think there
> are only two I haven't shared, and they're nothing  much).
>
> But since I've talked about making a calendar for friends,  thought I'd
> share the finished product. I used Word. If nothing else, maybe  encourage you
> to do a calendar for friends, if you never have.
>
> Echoing  someone else recently, thanks to all my online PDML  editors!
>
> http://www.mapphotography.com/calendar/
>
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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RE: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

[Gerrit Visser]

Good catch -)

Gerrit

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
knarftheria...@gmail.com
Sent: December 26, 2012 8:48 AM
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

" And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store, and
walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's clothing,
cheap suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares..."

You sure you weren't at Honest Ed's?

;-)

Forgive me, no on outside Toronto will get that one...

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: William Robb 
Sent: December 26, 2012 12/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

On 23/12/2012 3:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> I'm sure that someone on the PDML needs a catalogue for the Acme 
> corporation
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation

When I was a kid back in the early 60s (gads, that makes me feel old), there
was a store in town called ACME Novelty. Of course, in my 6 year old mind,
it had to be part of the ACME Corporation. I bugged my parents for months,
to no avail, that I had to be taken to that store to see the wonders that
surely must be on the shelves.
Certainly, there would be 10,000 pound weights, and cases of dynamite,
rocket powered roller skates, all the things that the Coyote bought could
surely be had at ACME Novelty.
Finally, one Saturday my parents relented, even though they knew, deep in
their great big hearts, that they were setting me up for what would surely
be the greatest disappointment of my childhood.
And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store, and
walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's clothing,
cheap suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares, I was ever hopeful that
if we went around just one more corner and into one more aisle, we would
come to the section of the store that catered to Wiley Coyote.
But it was not to be, for ACME Novelty was not really part of the ACME
Corporation, or at least not part of the ACME Corporation that I was
familiar with from spending hours watching the Roadrunner outwit his hapless
nemesis.
Friends, I was inconsolable. I led my parents through that entire store at
least twice, ever hopeful that we had managed to miss the one aisle in the
entire world that held the wonderful products that I had seen on TV.
Finally, with tears of disappointment streaming down my cheeks, they led me
back to the car and we drove home, my father being the very kind man that he
was, told me that it was probably just that we lived in such a small city,
perhaps ACME didn't put their full line of products into this store.
He tried, but I recall being put out like only a 6 year old child can be.
I'm sure I was insufferable for days.

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RE: PESO: Holiday Collection

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Nice smile!

cheers,
frank

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From: Gerrit Visser 
Sent: December 25, 2012 12/25/12
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: PESO: Holiday Collection

Grantley 1 has a nice look to it, he looks somewhat mischievous there.

Gerrit

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Sent: December 25, 2012 5:58 PM
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Subject: PESO: Holiday Collection

OOOPS.

Let's try this again:

Collecting for local charities during the holiday season.  This is my friend
Kip, also our local state senator.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16701061

Comments, suggestions and criticisms are invited.

Dan Matyola
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Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

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" And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store, and 
walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's clothing, cheap 
suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares..."

You sure you weren't at Honest Ed's?

;-)

Forgive me, no on outside Toronto will get that one...

Cheers, 
frank

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From: William Robb 
Sent: December 26, 2012 12/26/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

On 23/12/2012 3:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> I'm sure that someone on the PDML needs a catalogue for the Acme corporation
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation

When I was a kid back in the early 60s (gads, that makes me feel old), 
there was a store in town called ACME Novelty. Of course, in my 6 year 
old mind, it had to be part of the ACME Corporation. I bugged my parents 
for months, to no avail, that I had to be taken to that store to see the 
wonders that surely must be on the shelves.
Certainly, there would be 10,000 pound weights, and cases of dynamite, 
rocket powered roller skates, all the things that the Coyote bought 
could surely be had at ACME Novelty.
Finally, one Saturday my parents relented, even though they knew, deep 
in their great big hearts, that they were setting me up for what would 
surely be the greatest disappointment of my childhood.
And sure enough, when we walked into that great big department store, 
and walked past aisles filled with slightly out of fashion woman's 
clothing, cheap suits, inexpensive furniture and housewares, I was ever 
hopeful that if we went around just one more corner and into one more 
aisle, we would come to the section of the store that catered to Wiley 
Coyote.
But it was not to be, for ACME Novelty was not really part of the ACME 
Corporation, or at least not part of the ACME Corporation that I was 
familiar with from spending hours watching the Roadrunner outwit his 
hapless nemesis.
Friends, I was inconsolable. I led my parents through that entire store 
at least twice, ever hopeful that we had managed to miss the one aisle 
in the entire world that held the wonderful products that I had seen on TV.
Finally, with tears of disappointment streaming down my cheeks, they led 
me back to the car and we drove home, my father being the very kind man 
that he was, told me that it was probably just that we lived in such a 
small city, perhaps ACME didn't put their full line of products into 
this store.
He tried, but I recall being put out like only a 6 year old child can 
be. I'm sure I was insufferable for days.

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RE: Happy Holiday!

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Same to you and yours, Jack.

cheers,
frank

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From: Jack Davis 
Sent: December 24, 2012 12/24/12
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Subject: Happy Holiday!

 
Best wishes of the season to all.
 
Jack :-)

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Re: D600 vs K-5

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.  I 
> didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing 
> some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600.  It 
> was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and 
> seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus.

One of the 'Cons' from a few on line reviews was the AF capabilities
of the D600.

Dave
>
> It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about 
> autofocus.  Particularly without the assist light.  Considering this was the 
> K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be 
> really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low 
> light focus.
>
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Re: Boris #58 - Jerusalem Bean

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I like this. And yeah, it is like the Chicago bean in reverse. Intriguing!

cheers,
frank

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From: Boris Liberman 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: Boris #58 - Jerusalem Bean

Odd, I mean I never intended for this photo to be menacing and I was in 
a rather peaceful mood when I took it... But I see your point and it is 
indeed possible to see it as a bit of a threat...

I reckon I would return to this sculpture whenever I am visiting the 
museum. It may provide more interesting photo opportunities...

On 12/20/2012 7:37 PM, steve harley wrote:
> on 2012-12-20 10:24 Boris Liberman wrote
>> Finally got a shot of that sculpture that I quite like...
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2012/12/peso-2012-58-jerusalem-bean.html
>
> that's a clever, engaging shot - i like the imperfect symmetry, but
> especially placing blue clouds in the reflection, with almost fully
> clouded behind; the hint of blue in the corner is helpful too
>
> i have to say i find the image a bit menacing, as if a huge explosion
> has thrown the world into the air like a handful of pebbles
>
>
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RE: Peso A little art for my holiday greetings.

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

It must be art: it's blurry.

;-)

Seriously, nice shot!

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Don Guthrie 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Peso A little art for my holiday greetings.

Sometimes one must just indulge the arty side of photography and turn a 
very good DSLR into a squinty blurry dream maker and turn out a photo 
like this.

Consider this my Holiday Greetings for the PDML crew. Your gifts 
throughout the year of opinions, stories, advise, shared photos are 
worth the price of admission.


SEASONS GREETINGS AND A HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR FOR ALL


http://donspix.posterous.com/late-in-the-afternoon-the-snow-covered-ground#!/

Yes I shot it this way on purpose with no special processing :)

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Re: OT - Augie Wren's Christmas Story

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Shel was a "presence" on this list, to be sure.

I'd love to see him back.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Christine Aguila 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT - Augie Wren's Christmas Story

Thanks for posting, Frank!  Enjoyed the read.  I wasn't around when Shel was 
around, but I've heard so much about him over the years that it would be fun if 
he came back.  Cheers, Christine



On Dec 22, 2012, at 7:30 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> A PDML tradition started many years ago by Shel (some of you remember Shel, 
> right?).
> 
> I don't know that it gets posted every year, but it will this year. 
> 
> Enjoy:
> 
> http://www.christmasmagazine.com/en/spirit/story26.asp
> 
> cheers,
> frank 
> 
> "If the world were clear, art would not exist." -- Albert Camus
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RE: PESO: Grantley

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Excellent informal portrait! There appears to be a quiet dignity to this 
gentleman.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: Grantley

Each weekend in December, through Christmas Eve, my Rotary Club
collects money at local shopping centers to support the local homeless
shelter program and food bank.  This afternoon, I replaced my old
friend Grantley, pictured in this image.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16697000

Comments, suggestions and criticisms are invited.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: PESO - Pre-race Strategy: Dale and Yuriy (messenger content)

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Thanks for your comments, Boris. Much appreciated.

I think I can make the photos on the landing page bigger. They're medium now, I 
know that extra large is too big, so I'll try large and see how that works.

Thanks again!

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Boris Liberman 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Pre-race Strategy: Dale and Yuriy (messenger content)

I quite like the notion of one guy looking down and another wearing sun 
glasses (or whatever is the term here) so that on one hand I can see 
they're discussing something from their upper body language, while I 
cannot be totally certain because I don't see their eyes.

I should point out, Frank, that the landing page of your blog posts 
contains images that are a bit too small on my computer...

Boris


On 12/24/2012 5:27 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> So, last weeks race, the Shop 'Til You Drop Alleycat, started inside
> the largest downtown mall in Toronto, the Eaton Centre.
>
> Details of the race are kept secret until the last minute; manifests
> with the checkpoints are handed out about five minutes before the
> start.
>
> Racers have very little time to figure out exactly where the
> checkpoints are (in this case they were all grocery stores) and route
> themselves accordingly. I know when I raced the routing sometimes
> changed mid-race.
>
> Some like to do this on their own, others work together as Dale and
> Yuriy are doing here:
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2012/12/pre-race-strategy-dale-and-yuriy.html?m=1
>
>  Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
>
> Cheers, frank
>
>
> "If the world were clear, art would not exist." -- Albert Camus
>


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Re: Was Santa good to you?

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

On Dec 25, 2012, at 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


Neither of the two little boys living next door to me got a drum set for
Christmas, so I'm pretty happy with what he brought.


The amp for the electric bass was on back order, it'll arrive next week.


Cool. What did you order?

I used to have a bass. I traded it in to buy a guitar MANY years ago. 
I've been thinking about getting another.


Haven't done so because I'm afraid it would be the last straw turning me 
into an actual collector instead of just a guy with more guitars than he 
can play.





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RE: GESO - Calendar Project

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Cool!

cheers,
frank 

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From: eactiv...@aol.com
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: GESO - Calendar Project



This is not really a GESO, but didn't  know what else to call it.

Anyway, these are not thumbnails, just small  pics. Not doing it as a true 
GESO since most of you have already seen most of  the photos (think there 
are only two I haven't shared, and they're nothing  much). 

But since I've talked about making a calendar for friends,  thought I'd 
share the finished product. I used Word. If nothing else, maybe  encourage you 
to do a calendar for friends, if you never have.

Echoing  someone else recently, thanks to all my online PDML  editors!

http://www.mapphotography.com/calendar/

Marnie aka Doe  :-)  


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RE: PESO - Peace be With You

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Excellent photo, and a wonderful message for the holidays (or any time for that 
matter).

Love it!

And Happy Holidays back to you.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Brian Walters 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO - Peace be With You

G'day all

A Christmas wish from downunder.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/IMGP0923-DS-2-peso.html



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++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/



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RE: Merry Christmas from Our Cats

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Beautiful!

cheers,
frank

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From: Mark Roberts 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Merry Christmas from Our Cats

A cat photo for the holidays!
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/catsxmas.jpg

 
-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





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RE: PESO Some Colors

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Ha! I like this one, but I don't know why. I guess it's those colours and the 
interesting composition.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Bulent Celasun 
Sent: December 23, 2012 12/23/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO Some Colors

Shot by a Pentaxian (me, that is) who just had another camera with him
at the time!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/8300307593/in/photostream/lightbox/


Bulent
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http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun

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PESO - Pre-race Strategy Part II (messenger content)

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About five or ten minutes before the start of the race he participants get 
manifests with the checkpoints (in this case, grocery stores) listed. Then 
there is a bit of a frenzy as everyone figures out the exact location of the 
checkpoints and routing:

 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2012/12/pre-race-strategy-part-ii.html?m=1

As I mentioned in an earlier post, this race started at Toronto's Eaton Centre, 
our largest downtown shopping mall.

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
frank 

"If the world were clear, art would not exist." -- Albert Camus
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Re: GESO: 2012

[John Sessoms]

The caption says it's a coot. Since it's PDML, it's probably an "old" coot.

From: Bob Sullivan

Boris,
Looks like a fishing bird to me.
I can see the head with eye and beak under water.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Well, I hate you 34 times... The only one time I don't hate you is here
http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/2012/content/20120308-0354_large.html, because I
couldn't make out what I am seeing...

However, sir, if you make a printed book, I would certainly buy a copy...

:-)

Boris


On 12/23/2012 9:24 PM, Jostein ?ksne wrote:


Thought it might be good to sum up 2012 before the leisure time set in.
Enjoy your holidays, gang. Hope I can be more active on the List next
year.
http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/2012/index.html

Cheers,
Jostein



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RE: Your message to PDML awaits moderator approval

[Bob W]

Wow, looks like Doug changed his name to Adolf for the new year...

:o) 

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Re: D600 vs K-5

[AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne]

I SO agree with you about that chip onth shoulder, Larry. I had the same 
experience in 2009 with the K-7 vs. various Canon cameras, including the then 
very new 7D, and 1Ds Mk III. 

On that infamous trip to Antarctica we had a few calm evenings on the rear deck 
of the boat, photographing seabirds in flight. The K-7 would lock focus for a 
long time after the last cursing Canonite had retired to the lounge, 
complaining about their cameras' limitations in low light.

This spring I had an interesting experience photographing base jumpers at 
Kjerag with the 645D, in company of a crowd of Canon and Nikon users. The 
shaft-driven AF of 645D was every bit as able to single out the jumpers from 
the background, it seemed. The comparison is not really head to head, though, 
because the low frame rate of the 645D demands a different shooting style. :-)

But in sum, I think Pentaxians have far less to be ashamed of than we usually 
express in forums.

Jostein

Larry Colen  wrote:

>Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.
>I didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few
>minutes doing some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely
>outperformed the D600.  It was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock
>focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and seek, and the D600 simply wasn't
>able to lock focus.
>
>It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder
>about autofocus.  Particularly without the assist light.  Considering
>this was the K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much
>better, it would be really interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up
>against the D600 in low light focus.
>
>--
>Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est

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Re: Quotations List X (2012) is now on line

[Eactivist]

Boris, it is possible to get on the list by  saying something stupid too 
(i.e. one doesn't *have* to be a wiseass or  drinking). It's simple, just 
INSERT FOOT IN MOUTH.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  :-)  I am not much of a drinker. Of course, concerning 
myself I can't  totally rule out the wiseass part.

In a message dated 12/25/2012 11:00:22  A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Merry holidays to you  to, Mark. I appear to not be able to say anything 
reasonably mark-worthy for  several years, which is an interesting piece 
of inductive evidence... Unlike  Bob W I will keep drinking my tea at 
steady pace...


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Re: Three pix to end the day.

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Beautiful sunset shots, Bob.

Marnie aka  Doe :-)

In a message dated 12/25/2012 6:30:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes:
Rachel and Jamacan Banana Man (You can tell  he's Jamacian because of
the  dreadlocks.
https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/20121225#

And  sunset over the Pacific Ocean from San  Diego.
https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012122502#58260740377415
06818

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A  Happy Holiday to you all.
Regards,  Bob S.

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RE: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb
> Sent: 26 December 2012 06:28
> 
> On 23/12/2012 3:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> > I'm sure that someone on the PDML needs a catalogue for the Acme
> > corporation
> >
> > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fringefocus/the-acme-corporation
> 
> When I was a kid back in the early 60s (gads, that makes me feel old),
> there was a store in town called ACME Novelty. Of course, in my 6 year
> old mind, it had to be part of the ACME Corporation. 

[...]
> Finally, with tears of disappointment streaming down my cheeks, they
> led me back to the car and we drove home, my father being the very kind
> man that he was, told me that it was probably just that we lived in
> such a small city, perhaps ACME didn't put their full line of products
> into this store.
> He tried, but I recall being put out like only a 6 year old child can
> be. I'm sure I was insufferable for days.
> 

at some time in the distant past my grandfather was briefly a travelling
salesman (he preferred to say 'representative' for Acme.

B


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Re: Was Santa good to you?

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 25, 2012, at 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> Neither of the two little boys living next door to me got a drum set for
> Christmas, so I'm pretty happy with what he brought.

The amp for the electric bass was on back order, it'll arrive next week.

Whiskymas went well.  The roast turned out awesome.  A wonderfully eclectic 
group of people showed up, so the good food was paired with good conversation.  
The traditional whisky tasting was one Bourbon, two Irish, one Indian single 
malt, one lowland malt, five Island malts, and eight highland malts.  There was 
another highland malt that was sipped on at the pre-tasting.


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Re: OT, kickstarter for Acme catalogue poster

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 25, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

> 
> On Dec 25, 2012, at 22:28 , William Robb wrote:
> 
>> I'm sure I was insufferable for days.
> 
> Days?  ;)

18,000 or so days.


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D600 vs K-5

[Larry Colen]

Marco came over to whiskymas for a while tonight, and brought his D600.  I 
didn't get a lot of time to play with it but we did spend a few minutes doing 
some low light focus tests, and the K-5 definitely outperformed the D600.  It 
was dim light, the K-5 was able to lock focus, albeit with a bit of hunt and 
seek, and the D600 simply wasn't able to lock focus.

It may be time for Pentaxians to get rid of the chip on our shoulder about 
autofocus.  Particularly without the assist light.  Considering this was the 
K-5's weak spot and the K5-II is supposed to be much better, it would be really 
interesting to see how the K5-II stacks up against the D600 in low light focus.

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