October PUG - "Animal Kingdom" - is up!

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Lots to like in this gallery but my favourite is "Will work for a  
brush" by Bruce - it's the cat's whiskers


Ann's "Red Panda" is another favourite along with Ken's "Eyes on You"  
and Matthew's "Big Horn Sheep" (would have loved to have seen one of  
those when I was in the US).  Stan's "Kit N Caboodle" struck a  
familiar note - I have the same routine with our moggie 'Blackjack'  
and I get the same fixed stare.


As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not  
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the  
gallery, let me know.


+

Coming up for October is 'Architectural'.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body  
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to  
ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.

* Nominal closing date: 30 September.
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Steve Cottrell :


Reworded and resent.



:dehsaelnu , detalubobmocsid , yrral, 31/01/2 nO


There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who
still shoots Pentax.




?synoS dna synnaP ?sijuF ?sacieL gniees uoy era tub ,tennimorp be ot
nokinaC tcepxe dluow I esruoc fo GE ?erawdrah fo epyt dna ekam trw
gniees uoy era tahW .(!ereh smret egatnecrep ni detaluclac ylisae)
nwodnur a si evig ,yrraL




I think "be" should be "eb"...




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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Steve Cottrell]

Reworded and resent.



:dehsaelnu , detalubobmocsid , yrral, 31/01/2 nO

>There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who 
>still shoots Pentax.



?synoS dna synnaP ?sijuF ?sacieL gniees uoy era tub ,tennimorp be ot
nokinaC tcepxe dluow I esruoc fo GE ?erawdrah fo epyt dna ekam trw
gniees uoy era tahW .(!ereh smret egatnecrep ni detaluclac ylisae)
nwodnur a si evig ,yrraL

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/10/13, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Unfortunately for Cotty (and for John in another thread), I had not yet 
>switched the forward to my new email address, so the message in question 
>has gone to the bit bucket in the sky where I can neither approve or 
>decline. Sorry about that, chief.

I will reword and resend :)

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Your best bet is to completely reword your message and try it again. :-)

Got it. thanks!

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/10/13, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty lived for a bit on this side of the big pond - somewhat west of 
>the Hudson river I believe :-)

There's a river named after Rock Hudson? Cool. ;-)

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/10/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I get that when my crappy ipad decides to send something as html.

Hmm. My email app on my Macbook is set to text only.

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Re: PESO - Balcony

[Alan C]

A very interesting shot, mediaeval in many ways. The early morning light 
really brings out the texture of the building blocks. A sort of sun-dial 
too.


Alan

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Womer

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:22 AM
To: Pentax List
Subject: PESO - Balcony

In New York City, near Central Park, early on a Sunday morning:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545063

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17545063-lg.jpg

(K-5, FA 24-90)

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Re: PESO - Morning Light

[kwaller]

Great capture! But if it were mine I'd eliminate about 1/3rd of the 
foreground and the partial tree on the LH side.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 

Subject: PESO - Morning Light


I was going through some older photos and came across this shot.  I don't 
recall sharing it before.  This was taken in the film days, so I can't 
remember all the details.


I believe the camera was a PZ1p and the lens was an FA 28/2.8.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/101434682@N06/10062112613/


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Re: AF540FGZ-II

[Bruce]

Jealous

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> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "Peter Loveday"  wrote:
> 
> ... just arrived.
> 
> In a Ricoh branded box, with Pentax above the model name.
> 
> The carry bag and flash itself still say ‘Pentax’ at least.
> 
> Now off to play...
> 
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AF540FGZ-II

[Peter Loveday]

... just arrived.

In a Ricoh branded box, with Pentax above the model name.

The carry bag and flash itself still say ‘Pentax’ at least.

Now off to play...

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Re: PESO - Morning Light

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ooh. That's striking! 

G

On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> I was going through some older photos and came across this shot.  I don't 
> recall sharing it before.  This was taken in the film days, so I can't 
> remember all the details.
> 
> I believe the camera was a PZ1p and the lens was an FA 28/2.8.
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/101434682@N06/10062112613/


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Re: PESO - Balcony

[Bruce]

Well so it is!  I must of had my B&W specs on when viewing it.  Funny what the 
brain can interpret. 

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> On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Bruce!
> 
> This is full living color, BTW.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>  
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Bruce 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO - Balcony
> 
> I like the patterns and the B&W treatment.  Well seen and captured. 
> 
> --
> Bruce
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> In New York City, near Central Park, early on a Sunday morning:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545063
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17545063-lg.jpg
>> 
>> (K-5, FA 24-90)
>> 
>> Comments?
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Re: PESO - Balcony

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bruce!

This is full living color, BTW.

Rick


 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Balcony

I like the patterns and the B&W treatment.  Well seen and captured. 

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Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> In New York City, near Central Park, early on a Sunday morning:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545063
> 
> or
> 
> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17545063-lg.jpg
> 
> (K-5, FA 24-90)
> 
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Re: PESO - Morning Light

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Bruce. I like the color, light, and the way the background trees 
mimic the lean of the foreground one.

Rick


 
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From: Bruce Dayton 
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Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:22 PM
Subject: PESO - Morning Light

I was going through some older photos and came across this shot.  I don't 
recall sharing it before.  This was taken in the film days, so I can't remember 
all the details.

I believe the camera was a PZ1p and the lens was an FA 28/2.8.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/101434682@N06/10062112613/


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Re: PESO - Balcony

[Bruce]

I like the patterns and the B&W treatment.  Well seen and captured. 

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Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> In New York City, near Central Park, early on a Sunday morning:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545063
> 
> or
> 
> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17545063-lg.jpg
> 
> (K-5, FA 24-90)
> 
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PESO - Balcony

[Rick Womer]

In New York City, near Central Park, early on a Sunday morning:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545063

or

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(K-5, FA 24-90)

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PESO - Morning Light

[Bruce Dayton]

I was going through some older photos and came across this shot.  I don't 
recall sharing it before.  This was taken in the film days, so I can't remember 
all the details.

I believe the camera was a PZ1p and the lens was an FA 28/2.8.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/101434682@N06/10062112613/


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Re: OT Tumbling tubas

[Bruce]

As two of my children participated in marching band, his was priceless!   
Thanks for sharing. 

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> On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Watch for the line of tuba toting tooters, top left ...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STB7PsAHqj4
> 
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 10/2/2013 20:11, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

nonono - thats not right, stan!

It's a bird sanctuary for sea birds - TARN NATION

ann

p.s.
um - tarn being a varient spelling of tern, of course :-)




On 10/2/2013 19:06, Stan Halpin wrote:

Tarnation is an oxidization process that affects fine silver. The
effete elite would probably rather speak of patination, not realizing
that patination is not the acquisition of a patina, but rather the
process of acquiring a patent.

stan

On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Steve Cottrell wrote:


Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending
review
by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.

Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?


I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
(Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Ann Sanfedele]

Tarnish is "something like a tarn"

ann

On 10/2/2013 19:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:


Steve Cottrell wrote:


Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.

Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?


I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
(Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)


tarnation: used in exclamations as a euphemism for "damnation". Origins in the 
late 18th century.

administrivia: becoming common shorthand for "administrative trivia", trans.:
"here's a bunch of miscellaneous facts and directives you need to know about X that 
you want to use/learn/operate/enjoy/etc.".

tarnish: a film or stain formed on the exposed surface of a metal or mineral 
whether through oxidation or other chemical reaction.

Your friendly dictionary reader,
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Ann Sanfedele]

nonono - thats not right, stan!

It's a bird sanctuary for sea birds - TARN NATION

ann

On 10/2/2013 19:06, Stan Halpin wrote:

Tarnation is an oxidization process that affects fine silver. The effete elite 
would probably rather speak of patination, not realizing that patination is not 
the acquisition of a patina, but rather the process of acquiring a patent.

stan

On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Steve Cottrell wrote:


Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.

Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?


I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
(Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)

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OT Tumbling tubas

[Bruce Walker]

Watch for the line of tuba toting tooters, top left ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STB7PsAHqj4

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Doug Brewer]

On 10/2/13 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Cotty, email list handling software traditionally accepts meta
commands within submitted messages to do things like subscribe,
unsubscribe, list the subscribers, etc. They are usually only
interpreted immediately following a newline. This list has had these
meta commands disabled AFAICT, but if one is recognized the message is
stuck in an approval-required queue / black-hole.

Your best bet is to completely reword your message and try it again. :-)


This. I disabled it in order to escape the parade of unsubscribe 
messages we get from time to time.


Unfortunately for Cotty (and for John in another thread), I had not yet 
switched the forward to my new email address, so the message in question 
has gone to the bit bucket in the sky where I can neither approve or 
decline. Sorry about that, chief.


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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 04:13:16PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>
>> > Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> >
>> >> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
>> >> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
>> >>
>> >> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
>> >
>> > I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
>> > (Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)
>>
>> tarnation: used in exclamations as a euphemism for "damnation". Origins in 
>> the late 18th century.
>>
>> administrivia: becoming common shorthand for "administrative trivia", trans.:
>> "here's a bunch of miscellaneous facts and directives you need to know about 
>> X that you want to use/learn/operate/enjoy/etc.".
>
> You mean Portmanteaux isn't where they filmed the Prisoner?

Portmanteaux is a syndrome suffered by fellows who carry cases of aged
fortified wine and have a tendency to drop the odd one onto their
feet.

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 04:13:16PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> > Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > 
> >> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
> >> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
> >> 
> >> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
> > 
> > I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
> > (Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)
> 
> tarnation: used in exclamations as a euphemism for "damnation". Origins in 
> the late 18th century.
> 
> administrivia: becoming common shorthand for "administrative trivia", trans.:
> "here's a bunch of miscellaneous facts and directives you need to know about 
> X that you want to use/learn/operate/enjoy/etc.". 

You mean Portmanteaux isn't where they filmed the Prisoner?


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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
> 
> I will give you my impressions once these items are actually purchased
> and in my possession (which might be a few weeks - between the p0 ball
> head and the M* 300mm my Paypal card needs to stop smoking first).
> Hope others find some of this useful.
> 

Very helpful thank you.  
I would have found it an order of magnitude or two more helpful two 
months ago before I plopped down a stack of yuppie food stamps on 
arca-swiss clamps and plates.

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
>> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
>> 
>> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
> 
> I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
> (Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)

tarnation: used in exclamations as a euphemism for "damnation". Origins in the 
late 18th century.

administrivia: becoming common shorthand for "administrative trivia", trans.:
"here's a bunch of miscellaneous facts and directives you need to know about X 
that you want to use/learn/operate/enjoy/etc.". 

tarnish: a film or stain formed on the exposed surface of a metal or mineral 
whether through oxidation or other chemical reaction. 

Your friendly dictionary reader,
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Stan Halpin]

Tarnation is an oxidization process that affects fine silver. The effete elite 
would probably rather speak of patination, not realizing that patination is not 
the acquisition of a patina, but rather the process of acquiring a patent.

stan

On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
>> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
>> 
>> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
> 
> I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
> (Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)
> 
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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[Darren Addy]

If you'll permit me another follow-up, I have now found the clamp I'm
going to purchase:
The Sunwayfoto DLC-60 - 60mm Duo-Lever Clamp (Arca Compatible)
It is brilliant, because it gives you the best of both worlds: The
ease-of-use of the lever clamp and the adjustability of the
conventional screw type release. The adjustability is useful two ways:
1) you can use ANYBODY's Arca-type plate. I've seen some that wouldn't
fit due to the powder coating being a bit too thick, for example. No
problem with the DLC-60, just open it up a bit on the screw side.
2) Lever Types by themselves don't provide as much pressure as the
conventional screw does. It's physics, as Mr. Monotone, the Acratech
president explains in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTqxqD6XPY
So by having a conventional screw side AND a lever side you can
effectively adjust the "firmness" of the lever side (not possible with
a lever alone).
Here is a short video of the DLC-60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jENbecEtKQg

Here is the review page on Amazon (9 out of 10 5-star reviews)
http://www.amazon.com/SUNWAYFOTO-Duo-Lever-Compatible-DLC-60-Sunway/product-reviews/
and the review/product page at B&H
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/827708-REG/Sunwayfoto_DLC_60_DLC_60_Duo_Lever_Clamp.html
Six 5-star reviews (out of 6)

I like that the lever can't open by getting caught on something (like
while walking through trees). It is a two-stage lever.
It also has a tapped hole (3/8") which means it will go right on my
lowest-cost Arca-Swiss p0 with 1/4" and 3/8" threaded disk.

Perhaps the best part about this clamp is that it will allow me to use
more inexpensive QR plates (which was the main point of this whole
exercise). I just cannot stomach paying $49 (or more) for the "big
brand" Quick Release plates when I can get a perfectly good one like
the Sunwayfoto DPG-39 Universal Quick Release Plate for $22 or the
wider DPG-50 for $28.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/837741-REG/Sunwayfoto_DPG_50_DPG_50_Universal_Quick_Release_Plate.html

I will give you my impressions once these items are actually purchased
and in my possession (which might be a few weeks - between the p0 ball
head and the M* 300mm my Paypal card needs to stop smoking first).
Hope others find some of this useful.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2013-10-01 11:23 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
>
>> Thanks, that's interesting.
>>
>> The ability to level the head for panorama work independent of the tripod
>> looks great.
>
>
> on that subtopic, has anyone here used a Berlabach tripod with its built-in
> leveler? they have an appealing simplicity, and the Mini appeals to me for
> macro use, and is quite light if you consider it effective enough without a
> head:
>
> 
>
> Berlebach has a variety of pano accessories and (back on topic), they have a
> quick-release system which works their own plates as well as Arca-Swiss:
>
> 
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Re: John Sessoms can't get to PDML

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

John, 

• Go to Hover.com. 
• Create a domain and lease it. $15/year.
• Add email service, take the standard. $20/year.
• Subscribe to PDML with that. 

GMail, hotmail, Yahoo mail, etc, are useless.

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On Oct 2, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> Replying to my earlier mail about Tv stuff off list.. I got this from John 
> today
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
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> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:27:26 -0400
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> To: Ann Sanfedele 
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> I'm completely cut off from the list.
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> It got to where every time I tried to post from either of my email
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> I tried to contact Doug at pdml-owner, but it got bounced by SpamCop.
> 
> I finally had to unsubscribe, and even the unsubscribe confirmation
> emails you're supposed to reply to got bounced. I used the alternate
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> On 9/30/2013 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
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>> Hope your email stuff gets straightened out
>> (snip irrelevant stuff)...
>> best,
>> ann
>> 
>> On 9/30/2013 15:35, John Sessoms wrote:
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Bruce Walker]

Cotty, email list handling software traditionally accepts meta
commands within submitted messages to do things like subscribe,
unsubscribe, list the subscribers, etc. They are usually only
interpreted immediately following a newline. This list has had these
meta commands disabled AFAICT, but if one is recognized the message is
stuck in an approval-required queue / black-hole.

Your best bet is to completely reword your message and try it again. :-)


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
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>
> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Ann Sanfedele]

Cotty lived for a bit on this side of the big pond - somewhat west of 
the Hudson river I believe :-)


ann

On 10/2/2013 17:04, Attila Boros wrote:

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:


I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.


There you go: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tarnation

Also, according to my English-Hungarian dictionary it's an
americanism. Why would a fine English gentleman resort to such words
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Bruce  wrote:
> Sometimes it is nice to be different.  It helps to have others focus on your 
> skills rather than zeroing in on your equipment.  When everyone is using the 
> same brand(s) it quite often becomes a game of one upmanship.

I'm going to bring my 6x7 next meeting that should confuse some

Dave
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>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:15 PM, "larry"  wrote:
>>
>> There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who 
>> still shoots Pentax.
>>
>> Larry in Dallas
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David J Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:29 AM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Lone wolf syndrome
>>
>> I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
>> night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
>> \
>> Dave
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Bob W]

On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:42, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
> 
> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
> 
> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
> 

I get that when my crappy ipad decides to send something as html.

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Attila Boros]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> Well, according to your like, James Joyce used it.  I hear he was
> passably literate, and certainly not American.

I stand corrected. I knew I can't trust this thing too much.

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Bob W]

On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:49, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
>> by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
>> 
>> Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?
> 
> I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
> (Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)
> 

It is the geological process by which a mere becomes a tarn.

B



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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Daniel J. Matyola]

By definition, aren't all Pentax users lone wolves?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Ditto. But I always take my K-01 just to really befuddle them.
>
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 11:29:19 -0400
>> From: David J Brooks
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Lone wolf syndrome
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
>> night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
>> \
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well, according to your like, James Joyce used it.  I hear he was
passably literate, and certainly not American.


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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>
>> I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
>
> There you go: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tarnation
>
> Also, according to my English-Hungarian dictionary it's an
> americanism. Why would a fine English gentleman resort to such words
> is beyond me:)
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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 10/2/2013 16:49, Mark Roberts wrote:

Steve Cottrell wrote:


Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.

Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?


I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
(Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)



darn it, I though you should know that!:-)

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tarnation

ann

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Attila Boros]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

> I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.

There you go: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tarnation

Also, according to my English-Hungarian dictionary it's an
americanism. Why would a fine English gentleman resort to such words
is beyond me:)

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Fwd: Re: John Sessoms can't get to PDML

[Ann Sanfedele]

Replying to my earlier mail about Tv stuff off list.. I got this from 
John today



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: OT: Tv tech question
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:27:26 -0400
From: John Sessoms 
To: Ann Sanfedele 

I'm completely cut off from the list.

It got to where every time I tried to post from either of my email
accounts, it came back "Mail Delivery Failure - pdml@pdml.net Remote
host said: 550 http://www.spamcop.net ..."

I tried to contact Doug at pdml-owner, but it got bounced by SpamCop.

I finally had to unsubscribe, and even the unsubscribe confirmation
emails you're supposed to reply to got bounced. I used the alternate
website links.

I have some other things I'm trying to take care of around here, so I'm
just going to give it a rest for now.

I don't know if I will be back. I hope I can re-subscribe sometime next
week, but I'm not going to get another email address from another
provider (i.e. Gmail, Hotmail, whatever) just for the list.

You're welcome to share this with PDML if you wish.


On 9/30/2013 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Hope your email stuff gets straightened out
(snip irrelevant stuff)...
best,
ann

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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Kenneth Waller]

And you don't have to be concerned about someone wanting to borrowing equipment.


-Original Message-
>From: Bruce 
>Subject: Re: Lone wolf syndrome
>
>Sometimes it is nice to be different.  It helps to have others focus on your 
>skills rather than zeroing in on your equipment.  When everyone is using the 
>same brand(s) it quite often becomes a game of one upmanship.  
>
>--
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>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:15 PM, "larry"  wrote:
>> 
>> There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who 
>> still shoots Pentax.
>> 
>> Larry in Dallas
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: David J Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:29 AM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Lone wolf syndrome
>> 
>> I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
>> night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
>> \
>> Dave
>> 
>> -- 
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>> www.caughtinmotion.com
>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Larry Colen]

If you're in a club you aren't much of a lone wolf.

larry  wrote:
>There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one
>who 
>still shoots Pentax.
>
>Larry in Dallas
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: David J Brooks
>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:29 AM
>To: Pentax Discuss
>Subject: Lone wolf syndrome
>
>I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
>night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
>\
>Dave

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Walt Gilbert]

On 10/2/2013 3:42 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.

Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?


My guess is that it's a portmanteau of "administrative" and "trivia".

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Re: What is 'administrivia' ??

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
>by Doug - and that my post may contain 'administriva'.
>
>Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?

I need an adequate definition of "tarnation" first.
(Seriously, I've always wondered what "tarnation" means.)
 
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What is 'administrivia' ??

[Steve Cottrell]

Had an email back from the list saying my post is delayed pending review
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Can someone please tell me what in tarnation is this?

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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Bruce]

Sometimes it is nice to be different.  It helps to have others focus on your 
skills rather than zeroing in on your equipment.  When everyone is using the 
same brand(s) it quite often becomes a game of one upmanship.  

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Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:15 PM, "larry"  wrote:
> 
> There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who 
> still shoots Pentax.
> 
> Larry in Dallas
> 
> -Original Message- From: David J Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:29 AM
> To: Pentax Discuss
> Subject: Lone wolf syndrome
> 
> I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
> night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
> \
> Dave
> 
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[George Sinos]

Our local club has about 50 members.  When I joined, a few years ago,
there were 3 Pentax users.  Now there is 1 that is exclusively Pentax.
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> There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who
> still shoots Pentax.
>
> Larry in Dallas
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[Don Guthrie]

Ditto. But I always take my K-01 just to really befuddle them.

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I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
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Re: Lone wolf syndrome

[larry]

There well over 100 members in my local club. I think I am the only one who 
still shoots Pentax.


Larry in Dallas

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Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:29 AM
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Subject: Lone wolf syndrome

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Re: New K-3 Image

[Boris Liberman]

Oh, you're absolutely right. It is just that personally, I rather sit
this one out until they do their job. I did not mean to sound like
anyone else should do the same, really.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm more than a little fuzzy on this, but I thought that was part of
> what firmware updates were for. The components (like the Imaging
> Processor) don't change, but the "tuning" and add'l features can be
> turned on via the updates.

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Re: PESO: Gazebo

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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Looks pretty sweet. Nice photo.

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Re: New K-3 Image

[Darren Addy]

I'm more than a little fuzzy on this, but I thought that was part of
what firmware updates were for. The components (like the Imaging
Processor) don't change, but the "tuning" and add'l features can be
turned on via the updates.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Makes sense to me. Although you appear to assume few things. E.g. it
> would seem that the newest engine was given to Pentax at its beta or
> pre-release stage so that Pentax could develop their system. It is
> because as you indicated the newest engine was made publicly available
> just recently. If such is the case, personally, I would suggest to
> skip this upgrade until it is properly and fully debugged.
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> True, we don't *know* yet. But Pentax has been very consistent in
>> their naming conventions and you can see the cameras change in their
>> capabilities as the Image Processor matures. You can find all of this
>> easily by simply Googling.
>>
>> *istD series used Milbeaut version 3.
>> K10D used Milbeaut version 4 (called PRIME for Pentax Real IMage Engine)
>> K7/Km/K5 used Milbeaut version 5 (all called PRIME II) long dynamic
>> range, but Focus Peaking not possible.
>> K30/K01 (Prime-M) Focus-Peaking capable, but less dynamic range (version 6)
>> K-3, 645DII & FF (PRIME III) The Image Processor to take Pentax/Ricoh
>> into the future (Milbeaut version 7)
>>
>> There are clearly other differences between the cameras (sensor, SAFOX
>> AF system, etc.) but each generation of Milbeaut Image Processor
>> ushers in a whole new generation of cameras (this will be true for all
>> manufactureres that use the Fujitsu Milbeaut engine (with their own
>> Proprietary name for it).
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Tom C  wrote:
 Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure
 is the label on the processor. It could be that they just
 optimized/improved the same old Prime II to be able to work with more
 pixels, more AF points, more FPS, higher video rate.

 As it is, we have to wait, and it seems it is not that much time to wait
 anyway.
>>>
>>> My thoughts as well Boris. At this point in time all we know is that
>>> the difference between Prime II and Prime III is I.
>>>
>>> Tom C.
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Re: New K-3 Image

[Boris Liberman]

Makes sense to me. Although you appear to assume few things. E.g. it
would seem that the newest engine was given to Pentax at its beta or
pre-release stage so that Pentax could develop their system. It is
because as you indicated the newest engine was made publicly available
just recently. If such is the case, personally, I would suggest to
skip this upgrade until it is properly and fully debugged.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> True, we don't *know* yet. But Pentax has been very consistent in
> their naming conventions and you can see the cameras change in their
> capabilities as the Image Processor matures. You can find all of this
> easily by simply Googling.
>
> *istD series used Milbeaut version 3.
> K10D used Milbeaut version 4 (called PRIME for Pentax Real IMage Engine)
> K7/Km/K5 used Milbeaut version 5 (all called PRIME II) long dynamic
> range, but Focus Peaking not possible.
> K30/K01 (Prime-M) Focus-Peaking capable, but less dynamic range (version 6)
> K-3, 645DII & FF (PRIME III) The Image Processor to take Pentax/Ricoh
> into the future (Milbeaut version 7)
>
> There are clearly other differences between the cameras (sensor, SAFOX
> AF system, etc.) but each generation of Milbeaut Image Processor
> ushers in a whole new generation of cameras (this will be true for all
> manufactureres that use the Fujitsu Milbeaut engine (with their own
> Proprietary name for it).
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>>> Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure
>>> is the label on the processor. It could be that they just
>>> optimized/improved the same old Prime II to be able to work with more
>>> pixels, more AF points, more FPS, higher video rate.
>>>
>>> As it is, we have to wait, and it seems it is not that much time to wait
>>> anyway.
>>
>> My thoughts as well Boris. At this point in time all we know is that
>> the difference between Prime II and Prime III is I.
>>
>> Tom C.
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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[steve harley]

on 2013-10-01 11:23 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

Thanks, that's interesting.

The ability to level the head for panorama work independent of the tripod looks 
great.


on that subtopic, has anyone here used a Berlabach tripod with its built-in 
leveler? they have an appealing simplicity, and the Mini appeals to me for 
macro use, and is quite light if you consider it effective enough without a head:




Berlebach has a variety of pano accessories and (back on topic), they have a 
quick-release system which works their own plates as well as Arca-Swiss:






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Re: Abused lens images (not for the squeamish)

[John Francis]

The front element always needs to be at least as large as the
diameter calculated by the formula Darren gave.  The mechanical
and optical problems in building a zoom lens frequently require
a physical front element that is larger; the longer the zoom
range, and the shorter the minimum focal length, the more likely
you are to need extra light-gathering ability.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 06:24:31PM +0200, Alan C wrote:
> Is it different for zooms? I have an M42 Polaris 55-300 f4.5 & the
> filter size is 86mm.
> 
> Alan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Darren Addy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:32 PM
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> 
> Yes. The effective maximum aperture of a system is a function of the
> diameter of the objective.
> The formula is D=F/f
> where D = the objective diameter
> F = focal length
> f= the maximum aperture
> Change any one variable in the formula and another must change.
> 
> So if you make the objective larger the maximum aperture will be greater.
> For the F* 300mm f4.5, 300/4.5= 66.666... so it should not surprise us
> that the filter size is 67mm.
> The formula above is for telescopes, which normally only have an
> objective lens grouping, while telephoto lenses have multiple lens
> groupings, but that formula will get you close.
> 
> The 300mm f4 will give you an answer of 75mm for the objective
> diameter (77mm filter size)
> while a 300mm f2.8 will result in a 107mm diameter objective (meaning
> that any filters are ususally put at the rear).
> 
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> >On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> >
> >>The introduction of IF allowed Pentax to use a smaller
> >>diameter front lens group (the F* 300mm f4.5 is 67mm filter size
> >>instead of the M* & A* 77mm size)
> >
> >It also helps that the F* is half a stop slower than the M*/A* lenses :)
> >
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Re: Abused lens images (not for the squeamish)

[Alan C]

Is it different for zooms? I have an M42 Polaris 55-300 f4.5 & the filter 
size is 86mm.


Alan

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From: Darren Addy

Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:32 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Abused lens images (not for the squeamish)

Yes. The effective maximum aperture of a system is a function of the
diameter of the objective.
The formula is D=F/f
where D = the objective diameter
F = focal length
f= the maximum aperture
Change any one variable in the formula and another must change.

So if you make the objective larger the maximum aperture will be greater.
For the F* 300mm f4.5, 300/4.5= 66.666... so it should not surprise us
that the filter size is 67mm.
The formula above is for telescopes, which normally only have an
objective lens grouping, while telephoto lenses have multiple lens
groupings, but that formula will get you close.

The 300mm f4 will give you an answer of 75mm for the objective
diameter (77mm filter size)
while a 300mm f2.8 will result in a 107mm diameter objective (meaning
that any filters are ususally put at the rear).

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM, David Mann  wrote:

On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:


The introduction of IF allowed Pentax to use a smaller
diameter front lens group (the F* 300mm f4.5 is 67mm filter size
instead of the M* & A* 77mm size)


It also helps that the F* is half a stop slower than the M*/A* lenses :)

Cheers,
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Re:PESO: Gazebo

[Don Guthrie]

Looks pretty sweet. Nice photo.


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Taken on a mountain trip. Someone decided to build a pension and
restaurant on the side of the mountain in the middle of nowhere. Looks
interesting, with a nice view, but somewhat out of place. It was still
under construction when I was passing by. The framing is a little
tight to keep out various junk from the image.

http://500px.com/photo/47946644

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Re: PESO Industrial design

[Bruce Walker]

:-)

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Damn, looks like Bruce beat me too it.
>
>
> On 10/2/2013 9:02 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> Wait. There was a chair in that photo?
>>
>> On 9/29/2013 1:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a shot of one of the cool industrial designs that Metropolis
>>> Factory creates: an outdoor garden chair.
>>>
>>> You can't see all of it properly because it's got Vanessa Furtado, the
>>> Events Coordinator, on it. :-)
>>>
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10002797635/
>>>
>>> K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 50mm/f:6.3, 1/15th sec, ISO 200, handheld.
>>> AF540FGZ in 30" umbrella softbox, right; bare AF540FGZ behind chair
>>> pointing up.
>>> Lr + Ps.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Lone wolf syndrome

[David J Brooks]

I decided to re-up to the local camera club and paid my dues last
night. once again, out of 40 members i am the lone Pentax rep.
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Re: New K-3 Image

[Darren Addy]

True, we don't *know* yet. But Pentax has been very consistent in
their naming conventions and you can see the cameras change in their
capabilities as the Image Processor matures. You can find all of this
easily by simply Googling.

*istD series used Milbeaut version 3.
K10D used Milbeaut version 4 (called PRIME for Pentax Real IMage Engine)
K7/Km/K5 used Milbeaut version 5 (all called PRIME II) long dynamic
range, but Focus Peaking not possible.
K30/K01 (Prime-M) Focus-Peaking capable, but less dynamic range (version 6)
K-3, 645DII & FF (PRIME III) The Image Processor to take Pentax/Ricoh
into the future (Milbeaut version 7)

There are clearly other differences between the cameras (sensor, SAFOX
AF system, etc.) but each generation of Milbeaut Image Processor
ushers in a whole new generation of cameras (this will be true for all
manufactureres that use the Fujitsu Milbeaut engine (with their own
Proprietary name for it).


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>> Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure
>> is the label on the processor. It could be that they just
>> optimized/improved the same old Prime II to be able to work with more
>> pixels, more AF points, more FPS, higher video rate.
>>
>> As it is, we have to wait, and it seems it is not that much time to wait
>> anyway.
>
> My thoughts as well Boris. At this point in time all we know is that
> the difference between Prime II and Prime III is I.
>
> Tom C.
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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[Larry Colen]

Some of the plates have 1/4-20 holes in the bottom. These are very handy.

Darren Addy  wrote:
>Well I sold my MGB books so I went ahead and ordered the Arca Swiss
>Monoball P0 with Panning System With 1/4" and 3/8" Threaded Disk
>http://www.adorama.com/AWMBP0.html
>
>I see now that they also offer the P0 with a "classic Arca-Swiss" top
>or the one with Flip-Lock, but the price is $180-200 higher. I think I
>would rather try the Sunway clamp (Arca-Swiss compatible)
>http://www.amazon.com/SUNWAYFOTO-Discal-Compatible-DDY-64i-Sunway/product-reviews/B009EIQ41I/
>and put the extra $150 in my pocket.
>
>I may give some of the inexpensive Arca-Swiss compatible plates off
>eBay a try also. That part of the equation just isn't that complicated
>(machining-wise) but I think it is wise to put the money in the real
>deal on the ball head side of the equation. For now, I'm just buying
>the ball head and I will have to physically screw it onto the camera
>or lens. I've wanted a good head to go on my 3021BPRO for a while now,
>and there is just no way to do astrophotography without a rock steady
>head.
>
>Again, thanks to all for the input on the QR system. I haven't
>committed to one yet, but I'm leaning towards the "classic" Arca-Swiss
>since there are so many choices (including cheaper "knock-offs") for
>L-brackets, etc.
>
>On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I found this nice description page that has nice summary and many
>useful
>> links about arca-type-compatible products:
>>
>>
>http://www.dentonimages.com/page.php?id=Arca-Swiss_Arca-Type_Systems_Explained
>> It might be helpful to other PDMLers.
>>
>> I especially like the summary:
>> "... once you start buying into the Arca-Type clamp and rail systems,
>> entirely new ways to blow your hard-earned cash open up, expanding
>> numerous possibilities for both your future photography, and your
>credit
>> card."
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Igor
>>
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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[Doug Brewer]

Igor,

I came to Kirk and Arca Swiss from the regular Bogen/Manfrotto QR plates 
many of us start with. There wasn't a lot of auditioning different 
plates; I got a couple of ball heads, one on a Gitzo leg set and another 
for my ancient Bogen 3021 set. A friend suggested Kirk plates, even 
letting me try one out for a bit, and I was sold. The plates are 
solidly, beautifully, machined and in around fifteen years of use I've 
never had one fail in any way.



On 10/1/13 2:24 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


I'd like to piggy-back on this thread with two questions:

1. Doug and Stan gave praises for Kirk plates.
So, what makes them different (and good)?


2.  I like the idea of the universal (arca-swiss + RC2) clamp plate that
Larry has referenced:
https://peakdesignltd.com/plates/

I wonder if there are any drawbacks because of this functionality



3. I also wonder if there are such universal plates that are compatible
with arca-swiss and RC5 at the same time.

The latter question is probably aimed at Cotty, - as he has (had) a head
that takes RC5, - Manfrotto 3433:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/Tripod/_IR27447.jpg
(It used to be used with #3433PL plates, which are now replaced with
501PL, and the new heads are 501, 503 and NG).
This type of heads/QR plates are typically used for video-cameras.


Igor





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Re: PESO Industrial design

[P.J. Alling]

Damn, looks like Bruce beat me too it.

On 10/2/2013 9:02 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Wait. There was a chair in that photo?

On 9/29/2013 1:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Here's a shot of one of the cool industrial designs that Metropolis
Factory creates: an outdoor garden chair.

You can't see all of it properly because it's got Vanessa Furtado, the
Events Coordinator, on it. :-)

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10002797635/

K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 50mm/f:6.3, 1/15th sec, ISO 200, handheld.
AF540FGZ in 30" umbrella softbox, right; bare AF540FGZ behind chair 
pointing up.

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Re: New K-3 Image

[Tom C]

> Yes, of course, Darren. But you see, all we know at this time for sure
> is the label on the processor. It could be that they just
> optimized/improved the same old Prime II to be able to work with more
> pixels, more AF points, more FPS, higher video rate.
>
> As it is, we have to wait, and it seems it is not that much time to wait
> anyway.

My thoughts as well Boris. At this point in time all we know is that
the difference between Prime II and Prime III is I.

Tom C.

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Re: Quick Release recommendations...

[Darren Addy]

Well I sold my MGB books so I went ahead and ordered the Arca Swiss
Monoball P0 with Panning System With 1/4" and 3/8" Threaded Disk
http://www.adorama.com/AWMBP0.html

I see now that they also offer the P0 with a "classic Arca-Swiss" top
or the one with Flip-Lock, but the price is $180-200 higher. I think I
would rather try the Sunway clamp (Arca-Swiss compatible)
http://www.amazon.com/SUNWAYFOTO-Discal-Compatible-DDY-64i-Sunway/product-reviews/B009EIQ41I/
and put the extra $150 in my pocket.

I may give some of the inexpensive Arca-Swiss compatible plates off
eBay a try also. That part of the equation just isn't that complicated
(machining-wise) but I think it is wise to put the money in the real
deal on the ball head side of the equation. For now, I'm just buying
the ball head and I will have to physically screw it onto the camera
or lens. I've wanted a good head to go on my 3021BPRO for a while now,
and there is just no way to do astrophotography without a rock steady
head.

Again, thanks to all for the input on the QR system. I haven't
committed to one yet, but I'm leaning towards the "classic" Arca-Swiss
since there are so many choices (including cheaper "knock-offs") for
L-brackets, etc.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
>
> I found this nice description page that has nice summary and many useful
> links about arca-type-compatible products:
>
> http://www.dentonimages.com/page.php?id=Arca-Swiss_Arca-Type_Systems_Explained
> It might be helpful to other PDMLers.
>
> I especially like the summary:
> "... once you start buying into the Arca-Type clamp and rail systems,
> entirely new ways to blow your hard-earned cash open up, expanding
> numerous possibilities for both your future photography, and your credit
> card."
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
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Re: PESO Industrial design

[P.J. Alling]

Wait.  There was a chair in that photo?

On 9/29/2013 1:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Here's a shot of one of the cool industrial designs that Metropolis
Factory creates: an outdoor garden chair.

You can't see all of it properly because it's got Vanessa Furtado, the
Events Coordinator, on it. :-)

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10002797635/

K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 50mm/f:6.3, 1/15th sec, ISO 200, handheld.
AF540FGZ in 30" umbrella softbox, right; bare AF540FGZ behind chair pointing up.
Lr + Ps.





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Re: New K-3 Image

[CollinB]

Hump or bump?
If it is a bump there will soon be pics on every tabloid at the checkout.
But I suspect a hump that houses a connector for something.
If you get a remote dashboard connected via a mini din, that would be sooo
cool.


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Re: Abused lens images (not for the squeamish)

[Darren Addy]

Yes. The effective maximum aperture of a system is a function of the
diameter of the objective.
The formula is D=F/f
where D = the objective diameter
F = focal length
f= the maximum aperture
Change any one variable in the formula and another must change.

So if you make the objective larger the maximum aperture will be greater.
For the F* 300mm f4.5, 300/4.5= 66.666... so it should not surprise us
that the filter size is 67mm.
The formula above is for telescopes, which normally only have an
objective lens grouping, while telephoto lenses have multiple lens
groupings, but that formula will get you close.

The 300mm f4 will give you an answer of 75mm for the objective
diameter (77mm filter size)
while a 300mm f2.8 will result in a 107mm diameter objective (meaning
that any filters are ususally put at the rear).

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:43 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>
>> The introduction of IF allowed Pentax to use a smaller
>> diameter front lens group (the F* 300mm f4.5 is 67mm filter size
>> instead of the M* & A* 77mm size)
>
> It also helps that the F* is half a stop slower than the M*/A* lenses :)
>
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> Dave
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Re: PESO Parasol

[Attila Boros]

Excellent detail, very nice DOF!

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Re: PESO: Gazebo

[Attila Boros]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> very pretty, though - where is it?

Thanks Ann, it's in the Eastern Carpathian mountains, Romania, near
the Red Lake. I have a photo of the lake with location info:
http://500px.com/photo/44143382 (click on "LOCATION" to see the map).

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