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On 10/21/2015 1:02 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:


Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls closed 
in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only thing to 
consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. Took about 
another hour to confirm that...

The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute majority. 
 I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments and indecision 
because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.


The problem is politicians have convinced us that something must be 
done.  Which leads to the proposition when ever something untoward 
happens; This is something! Therefore it must be done.  (No thought 
required).


What you described is what the U.S. federal system is supposed to 
insure, government gridlock.  There isn't supposed to be a centralized 
locus of power, either in the executive or the legislature.  A mere 51% 
of the population, of which many may regret the stupidity of the 
majority in a few years, aren't supposed to be able to impose their will 
on the resisting 49%.


Well that's been pretty much been subverted.  The the skeleton is still 
there.  It should take a gigantic consensuses to allow such changes.


A parliamentary system, such as most "democracies" have makes it very 
easy for a bare majority to get the levers of power and do pretty much 
what it wants, and given that it's government, usually poorly.






Cheers,
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread John


Drat! You beat me to it.

On 10/20/2015 6:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495



I dunno, but at times he's a great cartoonist.


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread John


On 10/21/2015 1:02 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:


Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the
polls closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all
over. The only thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going
to have his majority. Took about another hour to confirm that...


The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute
majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by
arguments and indecision because that way they're less likely to
screw the country up.

Cheers, Dave the cynic




That doesn't always work so well either. There's lots of ways a party
can screw up a country without having an absolute majority.



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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Brian Walters



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 02:11 PM, knarf wrote:
> Of course we have the same parliamentary system here in Canada. I didn't
> see Justin Trudeau's name anywhere on the ballot the other day. We vote
> for the local representative and whichever party has the most seats
> "chooses" the Prime Minister. 
> 
> I can see benefits and deficits in each of the parliamentary and the
> Republican systems. Ours mostly works well - for us anyway. 


Ditto here, as far as I'm concerned. 

A lot of people here have got their knickers in a knot because the party
in power had the effrontery to replace the leader without going to the
electorate. Of course, they had every right to do so. 

Admittedly, 3 times in three or four years does seem a bit excessive...


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On October 21, 2015 11:02:14 PM EDT, Brian Walters
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> >On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
> >> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
> >> 
> >> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)
> >
> >
> >Every cloud has a silver lining...
> >
> >Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
> >that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >++
> >Brian Walters
> >Western Sydney Australia
> >http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> - Peter
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- 
> >> From: knarf
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
> >> 
> >> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
> >elections.
> >> 
> >> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
> >
> >> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> >> 
> >> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
> >closed, 
> >> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
> >> 
> >> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> frank
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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)

I just visited TOP and I must apologize for posting this.  I really 
don't want to be channeling Mike Johnston.


On 10/21/2015 4:28 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Yes that one.  It does look a lot like a Sony, doesn't it.

On 10/21/2015 3:33 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

This one?
http://petapixel.com/2015/10/20/leica-sl-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-to-compete-in-the-mirrorless-war/ 




On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM, P.J. Alling 
 wrote:

DP Review has the announcement from September.

Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they 
already had

a camera that won't be released until November...

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RE: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

2015-10-21 Thread Malcolm Smith

Mark Roberts wrote:

> From the inside looking out.
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg

I really like these sort of abstract images.

Malcolm


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Re: PESO - Rule #1

2015-10-21 Thread Bruce Walker

Thank you very much, Frank.

Araina was having fun throughout the entire 5 hour shoot. But since
she's an actress, she also portrayed neutral, serious, or alluring
looks at times. But throughout she maintained a playful humour that
made it one of the most enjoyable shoots I've ever done.

And thank you also Godfrey, Dan and David.


On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:34 PM, knarf  wrote:
> I love it!
>
> Another example of a nude that IMHO is not exploitative, demeaning, 
> objectifying or offensive.
>
> Quite the contrary. She's having fun.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On October 19, 2015 1:53:00 PM EDT, Bruce Walker  
> wrote:
>>Rule #1 in a shoot: have fun!
>>
>>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/131486100352   (nsfw)
>>
>>With Araina Nespiak, August 2015, in Port Credit, Canada. Makeup by
>>Judi Willrich.
>>
>>645Z medium format, DFA645 90mm 2.8 Macro SDM, f:4.0, 1/125th sec, 800
>>ISO.
>>
>>Window light, left; white foamcore sheet, right.
>>
>>Comments welcome!
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OT: Speaking of guns and politics

2015-10-21 Thread Stanley Halpin

I’ve been having a side conversation with Boris. He and his family are doing ok 
but he is not a happy camper right now.

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Re: PESO - 'Bunchberry'

2015-10-21 Thread Ken Waller


Thanks for your comments/observations Donald.

I've come from a background of almost exclusively slides and mostly never 
see the image in B+W and therefore don't convert my color digital captures 
to B+W, although I can visualize this one in B+W. I would still favor the 
color version.


This image could obviously have been more closely cropped but I don't see 
the advantage in that - I would have had to cut off some of the white buds.


Thanks for your suggestions. I'm not trying to defend the image, just 
providing thoughts as to why it is as it is.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Guthrie" 

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Bunchberry'


Ken, I like the subject. I see this was in the spring, I wonder if I saw 
these in my area & passed them by. Love the greens but then I wondered how 
it would be in B Then I thought about a tighter crop. Oh well only good 
photos arouse this sort of speculation. So nice work.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:46:47 -0400
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Subject: PESO - 'Bunchberry'
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Taken in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, early summer.
K3, 200mm f4.0 Ed Macro, 1/640, f11, 800 ISO

Comments/critiques appreciated.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18109936

Kenneth Waller
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RE: PESO - Quietus

2015-10-21 Thread Malcolm Smith

Frank Theriault wrote:
 
> Marking the passing of another summer (if we haven't marked it yet):
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/10/quietus.html

Really nice capture which marks this time of the year.

Malcolm


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread David Mann

On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:00 PM, frank theriault  wrote:

> Certainly, two of our best governments over the past 50 years have
> been minority governments. In Canada, with three major parties, a
> minority government's effectiveness often depends on who holds the
> "balance of power". Often the third place party can have a very strong
> voice in policy formation.

We have two major parties (and only one house) but we make up for it with 
proportional voting where everyone gets two votes.  One is for our electorate 
MP who gets in on a simple majority.  The other vote is a "party" vote where we 
vote for whichever party we want to support (the MP is also a party member so 
you can double-up or mix your allegiances).  This is good for electorates where 
the incumbent MP (or their party) is popular: the people who don't support them 
can at least get a voice.

The party votes are collated across the entire country and any party that gets 
at least 5% of the party vote, or at least one electorate seat, will be 
allocated seats based on their proportion of the party vote.  This works 
wonders for smaller parties, but not the ones that are too small (ie lunatics).

It's a good system but it does tend to put a lot of power into the hands of 
smaller parties when a coalition is required to form the government.  And it 
does make it impossible to get rid of the senior party members - anyone high 
enough up the "party list" in the big parties will get a seat even if they lose 
in the electorate.

Cheers,
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OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)


DP Review has the announcement from September.

Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they already 
had a camera that won't be released until November...


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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)

2015-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

It's been big news in the Leicasphere. Looks pretty great; an excellent home 
for my R lenses. 

The reviewers are all working with prototypes. :-)

Godfrey


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
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> DP Review has the announcement from September.
> 
> Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they already had a 
> camera that won't be released until November...

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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)

2015-10-21 Thread Sandy Harris

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> This one?
> http://petapixel.com/2015/10/20/leica-sl-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-to-compete-in-the-mirrorless-war/

Price is comparable to 654-Z
http://www.adorama.com/IPX645Z.html


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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)


Yes that one.  It does look a lot like a Sony, doesn't it.

On 10/21/2015 3:33 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

This one?
http://petapixel.com/2015/10/20/leica-sl-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-to-compete-in-the-mirrorless-war/


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

DP Review has the announcement from September.

Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they already had
a camera that won't be released until November...

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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)

2015-10-21 Thread Darren Addy

This one?
http://petapixel.com/2015/10/20/leica-sl-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-to-compete-in-the-mirrorless-war/


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> DP Review has the announcement from September.
>
> Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they already had
> a camera that won't be released until November...
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Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.

The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty.  I wonder if that means 
that Ricoh is going to discontinue it.


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Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.

2015-10-21 Thread Paul Stenquist

I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose it 
might have been cherry picked.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
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> It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty
> terrible for a Pentax lens.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8=1=bySubmissionDateDescending
> 
> 
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>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling  
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>> The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty.  I wonder if that means that
>> Ricoh is going to discontinue it.
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Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.

2015-10-21 Thread Darren Addy

It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty
terrible for a Pentax lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8=1=bySubmissionDateDescending



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Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.

The reviews at Adorama are all 4 and 5 star. A lot of the bad reviews
seem to go back to the original SDM introduction, and we know what a
disaster that was.

On 10/21/2015 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose it
might have been cherry picked.

Paul via phone

On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty
terrible for a Pentax lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8=1=bySubmissionDateDescending

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The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that
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Re: PESO - Rule #1

2015-10-21 Thread Marco Alpert

I’m late to the party on this one, but delightful image, Bruce.

- Marco

On Oct 19, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Rule #1 in a shoot: have fun!
> 
> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/131486100352   (nsfw)
> 
> With Araina Nespiak, August 2015, in Port Credit, Canada. Makeup by
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Re: OT: Speaking of guns and politics

2015-10-21 Thread Paul


Are you able to elaborate?



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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

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>On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
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>> From the inside looking out.
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg
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>Ummm... I can't make out the hogs or the abandoned lorry.

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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

Mark Roberts wrote:

>Rick Womer wrote:
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>>On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
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>>> From the inside looking out.
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg
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>>Ummm... I can't make out the hogs or the abandoned lorry.
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PESO - Quietus

Marking the passing of another summer (if we haven't marked it yet):

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/10/quietus.html

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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

Thanks, Ann!

cheers,

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> WOrks for me - classic shot, Knarf
>
> ann
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> On 10/20/2015 10:34 PM, frank theriault wrote:
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>> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

Luckily they soon dissipated but it was looking dodgy there for a few
minutes. Also luckily, the sun was able to peak down onto the like,
despite the clouds. Thanks for the kind words, David.

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> Very nice.  The clouds certainly make the lake look a bit less inviting.
>
> Cheers,
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>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:34 PM, frank theriault  
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>> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
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>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

Thanks Cotty!

Much appreciated.

cheers,

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 20/10/15, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
>>
>>http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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>>Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
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> Great job Frank. Love it.
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

As mentioned, what seemed like an oncoming storm was much ado about
nothing. Clouds blew off and sun shone for the rest of the day. They
were just there long enough to add drama to my lake view.

Thanks for commenting!

cheers,

frank


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> An excellent composition, Frank. "The lull before the storm" ?
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> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

Appreciate your comment, as always, Jack.

cheers,

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> Exposure well done and composition great.
> Love the shimmer.
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> It comes through, then. Excellent. Thanks, P.J.
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> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:37 PM, P.J. Alling
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>> End of summer.  (Sigh).
>>
>> On 10/20/2015 10:34 PM, frank theriault wrote:
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>>> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

Yes, of several frames that I shot I chose that one for it's proximity
of the light shining off the waves. Glad you enjoyed it, Bob.

cheers,

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Sailing into the light!  Lovely Frank!  Regards,  Bob S.
>
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

I'm glad that you and your colleague enjoyed it. I assure you I
enjoyed being there!

Thanks for the lovely comment.

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Knarf, that is gorgeous.
>
> I had it on my laptop screen at work when one of my colleagues passed by, did 
> a double-take, and said "Wow! That's lovely!"
>
> I had to tell him that it wasn't mine...
>
> Rick
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> On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:34 PM, frank theriault wrote:
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>> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

It was beautiful to experience live. Thanks for the thoughts, Dan.

cheers,

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Quite nice.  I love the way the waves scatter the light on the lake surface.
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone."

There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
which one to give the brain to...

LOL

cheers,

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
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>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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>>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>>>
>>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
>>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
>>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>
>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of 
>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>
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> aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of political 
> correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular humanism and 
> can't imagine why that might not work for everyone.
>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more is 
>> required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily guarantee 
>> their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption that no 
>> one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they 
>> can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is 
>> an imperfect sense.
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

Certainly, two of our best governments over the past 50 years have
been minority governments. In Canada, with three major parties, a
minority government's effectiveness often depends on who holds the
"balance of power". Often the third place party can have a very strong
voice in policy formation.

cheers,

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:
>
>> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
>> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
>> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. 
>> Took about another hour to confirm that...
>
> The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute 
> majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments 
> and indecision because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.
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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

A PDML sticker?

Cool!

Cheers,

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On October 21, 2015 9:33:03 PM EDT, Mark Roberts  
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>>Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>
 From the inside looking out.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg
 
>>>Ummm... I can't make out the hogs or the abandoned lorry.
>>
>>That would be from the outside looking in...
>
>Only a slight exaggeration:
>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/cotty.jpg
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Re: PESO - A Grass (Literally!).

I'm with you, Ann. The web makes it.

Wonderful photo, Bulent.

Cheers,

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On October 20, 2015 10:55:50 PM EDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>I love the spider web on it.. spider must have considered the grass a 
>weaving tool ... I like to think that the disarray was
>just the work of the wind after a tidy web was made incorporating the
>grass
>
>Lovely shot
>ann
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>On 10/20/2015 6:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>> I think that's quite lovely. Love the tonality and the rendering.
>I'll
>> bet it's even better seen larger.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Bulent Celasun
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>>> Toned monochrome.
>>>
>>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/a-grass/
>>>
>>> Ricoh GXR A12.
>>>
>>> I would normally use Pentax K3 with Sigma 70mm EX Macro.
>>> I just prefer Ricoh because it is a much smaller unit.
>>>
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>
>>> Bulent
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Paul Stenquist



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> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
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>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>> 
>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
> 
> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of government 
> is sufficient to insure liberty.

And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every aspect 
of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of political 
correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular humanism and can't 
imagine why that might not work for everyone. 
> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more is 
> required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily guarantee 
> their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption that no 
> one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they 
> can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is 
> an imperfect sense.
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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

2015-10-21 Thread ann sanfedele


you know you really ought to lay off the LSD

ann

On 10/21/2015 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

>From the inside looking out.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg

  



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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Peter Loveday


You guys and your elections, how inefficient.

We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)

- Peter

-Original Message- 
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Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
campaign in our country's history: three months.


The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.


Living in Canada has its advantages.

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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

ann sanfedele wrote:

>On 10/21/2015 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> >From the inside looking out.
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg
>>
>you know you really ought to lay off the LSD

Far out, man!
 
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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

2015-10-21 Thread Rick Womer

Ummm... I can't make out the hogs or the abandoned lorry.


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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

2015-10-21 Thread Rick Womer

Knarf, that is gorgeous.

I had it on my laptop screen at work when one of my colleagues passed by, did a 
double-take, and said "Wow! That's lovely!"  

I had to tell him that it wasn't mine...

Rick

On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:34 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
> 
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Re: PESO - The Body of James Lick

2015-10-21 Thread John


Mike Johnson's cat covered him up.

On 10/20/2015 2:49 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 20 Oct 2015, at 17:04, P.J. Alling  wrote:


For some unknown reason, possibly insanity, I conflated James Lick with Peter 
Lic, then thought, why did they bury him he's still alive, isn't he.



A brief look at some of the his work should provide all the reasons you need.

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On 10/16/2015 2:49 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
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Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.

2015-10-21 Thread David J Brooks

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:44 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> The reviews at Adorama are all 4 and 5 star.  A lot of the bad reviews seem
> to go back to the original SDM introduction, and we know what a disaster
> that was.

My two copies were horrible, maybe they were older lenses in the warehouse

Dave
>
>
> On 10/21/2015 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose
>> it might have been cherry picked.
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty
>>> terrible for a Pentax lens.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8=1=bySubmissionDateDescending
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling
  wrote:
 The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty.  I wonder if that means
 that
 Ricoh is going to discontinue it.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Eric Weir

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
> 
> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
> are the (somewhat) leftish group.

What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of government 
is sufficient to insure liberty. What are called liberals in the US  assumes 
that sometimes something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” 
doesn’t necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the 
assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied 
healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” 
as the other use is an imperfect sense.

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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)

2015-10-21 Thread Darren Addy

A few sample images from it:
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/leica-sl--typ-601--sample-photos-28315


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> Yes that one.  It does look a lot like a Sony, doesn't it.
>
>
> On 10/21/2015 3:33 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> This one?
>>
>> http://petapixel.com/2015/10/20/leica-sl-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-to-compete-in-the-mirrorless-war/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> DP Review has the announcement from September.
>>>
>>> Though in my opinion the best part is the 12 users who say they already
>>> had
>>> a camera that won't be released until November...
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Eric Weir


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:
> 
>> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
>> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
>> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. 
>> Took about another hour to confirm that...
> 
> The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute 
> majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments 
> and indecision because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.

You should live in the US. I predict you would conclude otherwise. 

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Re: PESO - Shimmering Lake

2015-10-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Quite nice.  I love the way the waves scatter the light on the lake surface.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:34 PM, frank theriault
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> Despite the sun shining on the lake, it looked threatening for a bit:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/10/shimmering-lake.html
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Re: OT: Urban photographer of the year

Hmm...

Not sure what to think. Some good shots in there. Some average shots. 
I find the watchmaker portrait difficult to look at. That rendering makes me 
cringe.

The de-icing in Calgary looks like they use flamethrowers to melt the ice. 

But I do like the phone cam shot of winter in Chicago. That's a wonderful shot. 

Thanks for posting!

Cheers,

frank

On October 19, 2015 12:58:25 AM EDT, David Mann  wrote:
>Some of these aren't too bad...
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-34548394
>
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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

Very interesting abstract.

Colours are amazing. Love it!

Cheers,

frank

On October 21, 2015 8:42:58 PM EDT, Mark Roberts  
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>From the inside looking out.
>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg
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Re: PESO: Cotty's Front Door

2015-10-21 Thread ann sanfedele


I feel much better about my office now

a

On 10/21/2015 9:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:


Rick Womer wrote:


On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


 From the inside looking out.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01537.jpg


Ummm... I can't make out the hogs or the abandoned lorry.

That would be from the outside looking in...

Only a slight exaggeration:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/cotty.jpg

  



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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

2015-10-21 Thread Brian Walters

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
> 
> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)


Every cloud has a silver lining...

Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.



Cheers

Brian

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> - Peter
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: knarf
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> 
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
> 
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> 
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
> 
> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

Of course we have the same parliamentary system here in Canada. I didn't see 
Justin Trudeau's name anywhere on the ballot the other day. We vote for the 
local representative and whichever party has the most seats "chooses" the Prime 
Minister. 

I can see benefits and deficits in each of the parliamentary and the Republican 
systems. Ours mostly works well - for us anyway. 

Cheers,

frank

On October 21, 2015 11:02:14 PM EDT, Brian Walters  
wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
>> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
>> 
>> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)
>
>
>Every cloud has a silver lining...
>
>Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
>that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Brian
>
>++
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>
>
>> 
>> - Peter
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: knarf
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
>> 
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>elections.
>> 
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
>
>> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>> 
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>closed, 
>> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>> 
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
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>> 
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Re: OT How did I miss this? Leica full frame mirrorless camera, (not an M)